It's not fair!!!!!!
Drunk commies deleted
08-06-2007, 21:09
Paris Hilton was returned to jail today despite her brilliant legal argument that it's not fair to make her serve her entire sentence.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PKR9G00&show_article=1&catnum=0
"It's not right!" shouted the weeping Hilton. "Mom!" she called out to her mother in the audience.
Apparently Ann Coulter has come to Paris' defense(so people on MSN who are watching it on FOX tell me).
Obligatory: Drunk driving bad, Paris should go to jail.
Vandal-Unknown
08-06-2007, 21:12
Nothing's fair.
Isn't she a little old to be crying? Maybe if she wasn't so obviously immature, she wouldn't be going to jail...
Kbrookistan
08-06-2007, 21:16
Apparently Ann Coulter has come to Paris' defense(so people on MSN who are watching it on FOX tell me).
Obligatory: Drunk driving bad, Paris should go to jail.
Because Ann Coulter is the voice of Reason and Sense and can be trusted absolutely to report the news with little or no bias... :rolleyes: Sorry, couldn't resist a little sarcasm there. I'll return you to your regularly scheduled thread...
The Plutonian Empire
08-06-2007, 21:17
*points and laughs at paris hilton*
Newer Burmecia
08-06-2007, 21:17
Apparently Ann Coulter has come to Paris' defense(so people on MSN who are watching it on FOX tell me).
Obligatory: Drunk driving bad, Paris should go to jail.
Nah. She should go to jail for allowing Ann Coulter to defend her.
Didn't her mother chuckle and ask the judge for his autograph when he sentenced her?
shucks... guess she has to fulfill the full sentence like 'Normal Folk'. :rolleyes:
shucks... guess she has to fulfill the full sentence like 'Normal Folk'. :rolleyes:
Isn't she separated from the other people?0
Paris Hilton was returned to jail today despite her brilliant legal argument that it's not fair to make her serve her entire sentence.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PKR9G00&show_article=1&catnum=0
Gawd bless 'merica...*sniff....
Isn't she separated from the other people?0
If only we were that lucky :p
Lunatic Goofballs
08-06-2007, 21:30
If there were any real justice in the world, there would be a way to sentence her to complete media non-existence.
Should I become Almighty, that will be on my agenda. :)
If there were any real justice in the world, there would be a way to sentence her to complete media non-existence.
Should I become Almighty, that will be on my agenda. :)
Now I know mud and pies are involved somewhere in there.
I guess this needed its own thread rather than continuing in the old Paris thread. So, I can say again: YES!!!! She is back where she belongs.
Philosopy
08-06-2007, 21:34
If you don't want to go to jail, don't think you're above the law.
I think that's a 'fair' argument.
Now heres to hoping she stays in jail for the full sentence
Lunatic Goofballs
08-06-2007, 21:35
Now I know mud and pies are involved somewhere in there.
Anything worthwhile involves either mud or pies. *nod*
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 21:37
The judge should have doubled her sentence.
New new nebraska
08-06-2007, 21:37
I'm beaming rght now. I am so glad she got sent back to jail. Ha ha ha. It's too bad for her she broke the law she gets punished. I mean Paris is already getting a lesser jail sentece. She's too privilged. There are thousands and thousands (about 2 million I believe) Americans in jail. You don't here the murderers going " I am having a mental breakdown."
:D
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 21:39
She should have just hacked someone's head off. I hear that's legal in California.
Anyway, while she's in jail, she can't look for the real drunk driver.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 21:41
She should have just hacked someone's head off. I hear that's legal in California.
Anyway, while she's in jail, she can't look for the real drunk driver.
I'm just glad that she is behind bars and that she can't pass on that horrible rash to any upstanding citizens.
She should have just hacked someone's head off. I hear that's legal in California.
Anyway, while she's in jail, she can't look for the real drunk driver.
HA!
Neither is becoming rich overentitled bitch without so much as an ounce of acting or musical ability, business smarts, general intellect, or even decent investing ability.
See! Everything works out in the end!
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 21:47
For a bunch of people who claim to hate her so much, you all sure do give her alot of attention...
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 21:48
For a bunch of people who claim to hate her so much, you all sure do give her alot of attention...
I don't hate her.
Awesome, that girl needs to be reminded that she does live in the real world and that it does not revolve around her.
Base Illusions
08-06-2007, 21:49
well, no one has yet to say it so i will...we all know the sheriff has found a nice fat "contribution" from the Hilton family for his efforts to help her 'medical condition'
although i cant blame him for just wanting to get rid of the whinebag, she probably gave the rest of the special needs (more like special ed) prisoners crabs or something that requires antibiotics that the rest of us tax payers will have to pay for
Seathornia
08-06-2007, 21:50
For a bunch of people who claim to hate her so much, you all sure do give her alot of attention...
She's a drunk driver that got released after three days and continued to, recklessly, drive.
Of course people hate her and of course attention is given - It was a travesty that anyone like that should be let out so soon, as it gives an extremely bad precedent for future cases of drunk driving.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 21:51
Awesome, that girl needs to be reminded that she does live in the real world and that it does not revolve around her.
Apparently it does though.
For a bunch of people who claim to hate her so much, you all sure do give her alot of attention...
I don't hate her, I just want her to serve her sentence like the rest of us would have to. No getting out of jail because 'its hard in there for her'...
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 21:55
She's a drunk driver that got released after three days and continued to, recklessly, drive.
Of course people hate her and of course attention is given - It was a travesty that anyone like that should be let out so soon, as it gives an extremely bad precedent for future cases of drunk driving.
yet the other times this happens (and, according to the article, it isn't rare that it does), it never makes NSG, let alone national and international headlines...
and when major cases do make headlines, it is fairly rare to hear the defendent being mocked for crying
Philosopy
08-06-2007, 21:57
For a bunch of people who claim to hate her so much, you all sure do give her alot of attention...
For one thing, those aren't mutually exclusive positions. For another, I don't hate her, I just object to seeing money buying a way out of justice.
Awesome, that girl needs to be reminded that she does live in the real world and that it does not revolve around her.
:fluffle:
Couldn't agree more. :)
Apparently it does though.
which is better than the world revolving around Anna Nicol Smith... :rolleyes:
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 22:00
What if Paris Hilton dies in jail of her mystery illness?
The question stumps me... I simply can't begin to think about that what if.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:00
Awesome, that girl needs to be reminded that she does live in the real world and that it does not revolve around her.
Really? It doesn't? 2 thread on NSG, top headline on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, FOX, CBS, BBC....
but this will definatly show her that the world isn't revolving around her.......
I don't hate her, I just want her to serve her sentence like the rest of us would have to. No getting out of jail because 'its hard in there for her'...
The Los Angeles County jail system is so overcrowded that attorneys and jail officials have said it is not unusual for nonviolent offenders like Hilton to be released after serving as little as 10 percent of their sentences. The sheriff's decision for an early release, however, was based on a medical condition rather than overcrowding.
not to mention, unless you are the doctor that made the reccomendation, or at the very least some doctor who at some point has seen Hilton, you aren't in a place to say that she was released just because "it's hard for her". There might be something actually wrong.
Infinite Revolution
08-06-2007, 22:01
heh! i really needed that, i'd just dipped into a nasty drunken bad mood and now this news has lifted my spirits considerably. i hope she has a lovely time.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 22:03
not to mention, unless you are the doctor that made the reccomendation, or at the very least some doctor who at some point has seen Hilton, you aren't in a place to say that she was released just because "it's hard for her". There might be something actually wrong.
If there is something wrong, the judge can't be blamed. He never received the medical papers.
If you don't want to go to jail, don't think you're above the law.
I think that's a 'fair' argument.
Yup.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:04
For one thing, those aren't mutually exclusive positions. For another, I don't hate her, I just object to seeing money buying a way out of justice.
do you have a single ounce of evidence that that actually happened? Do you mysteriously have access to Hiltons medical records? Or perhaps you're the doctor who saw her.
The fact remains. Not a single person here knows if she had or has a legitimate medical issue, nor do I believe that we ever will (nor should we).
not to mention, the article states that most do not serve out their jail time in full...the only difference here is that they cited medical issues rather than "we just don't have room"
Drunk commies deleted
08-06-2007, 22:04
I don't hate her either. She's entertaining.
Really? It doesn't? 2 thread on NSG, top headline on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, FOX, CBS, BBC....
but this will definatly show her that the world isn't revolving around her.......
not to mention, unless you are the doctor that made the reccomendation, or at the very least some doctor who at some point has seen Hilton, you aren't in a place to say that she was released just because "it's hard for her". There might be something actually wrong.
Heh! You got me!:rolleyes::D
I guess I should just come out and say it then: I want Paris to go to jail! I want that rich whore to actually experience something the rest of us experience. And I'm probably biased because of the numerous other celebrities who don't seem to suffer under the same justice system as us(OJ, Michael Jackson, Robert Blake, etc.)
Apparently it does though.
Paris Hilton = the common centre of mass between the earth and the sun?
Philosopy
08-06-2007, 22:08
do you have a single ounce of evidence that that actually happened? Do you mysteriously have access to Hiltons medical records? Or perhaps you're the doctor who saw her.
The fact remains. Not a single person here knows if she had or has a legitimate medical issue, nor do I believe that we ever will (nor should we).
not to mention, the article states that most do not serve out their jail time in full...the only difference here is that they cited medical issues rather than "we just don't have room"
Actually, we do know that she didn't have a legitimate medical issue. We have concrete evidence; the judge sending her back to prison because whatever it was, it wasn't enough. What more proof do you want, exactly?
Base Illusions
08-06-2007, 22:08
do you have a single ounce of evidence that that actually happened? Do you mysteriously have access to Hiltons medical records? Or perhaps you're the doctor who saw her.
The fact remains. Not a single person here knows if she had or has a legitimate medical issue, nor do I believe that we ever will (nor should we).
not to mention, the article states that most do not serve out their jail time in full...the only difference here is that they cited medical issues rather than "we just don't have room"
you know, if you dont agree with everyone making fun of her, go start a thread to support her 'cause all your doing here is banging your head against the wall
Sane Outcasts
08-06-2007, 22:09
do you have a single ounce of evidence that that actually happened? Do you mysteriously have access to Hiltons medical records? Or perhaps you're the doctor who saw her.
The fact remains. Not a single person here knows if she had or has a legitimate medical issue, nor do I believe that we ever will (nor should we).
not to mention, the article states that most do not serve out their jail time in full...the only difference here is that they cited medical issues rather than "we just don't have room"
Don't forget this:
The hearing was requested by the city attorney's office, which had prosecuted Hilton and wanted Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca held in contempt for deciding to reassign Hilton to home detention despite the judge's express order that she must serve her time in jail.
Most may not serve out their time, but the judge explicitly ordered Paris to do so. If the Sheriff hasn't been able to supply proof of any medical conditions, there's no reason she should be anywhere but in jail.
For that "medical reason", I heard she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. From NPR, which is usually pretty reliable.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:10
If there is something wrong, the judge can't be blamed. He never received the medical papers.Nor do I blame him or champion him.
What I do say is that the rest of us aren't in a position to claim anything about her medical condition. Just because she is a "rich bitch" who could buy justice doesn't mean she can't have a legitimate medical claim.
Paris Hilton = the common centre of mass between the earth and the sun?
I was thinking the dark moon...
Infinite Revolution
08-06-2007, 22:10
do you have a single ounce of evidence that that actually happened? Do you mysteriously have access to Hiltons medical records? Or perhaps you're the doctor who saw her.
The fact remains. Not a single person here knows if she had or has a legitimate medical issue, nor do I believe that we ever will (nor should we).
not to mention, the article states that most do not serve out their jail time in full...the only difference here is that they cited medical issues rather than "we just don't have room"
i think you give the benefit of the doubt too easily sarkhaan. even if she is being made an example of as a 'celebrity' criminal i don't see this as a bad thing. as dakini said, the girl needs some reality, as do all public figures.
Most may not serve out their time, but the judge explicitly ordered Paris to do so. If the Sheriff hasn't been able to supply proof of any medical conditions, there's no reason she should be anywhere but in jail.
Even if she had a medical condition I don't see how that matters, other people have some condition and still need to serve their time. Jails have infirmaries for a reason so she most certainly should be in jail.
*nods*
Really? It doesn't? 2 thread on NSG, top headline on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, FOX, CBS, BBC....
but this will definatly show her that the world isn't revolving around her.......
I think the amount of attention the story is getting is also quite stupid.
I don't really care in general about her... I just think that if you get caught drinking and driving and they tell you "now, if you don't drive for this amount of time then you can stay out of jail" and you drive during that amount of time then you do deserve to go to jail.
Drunk commies deleted
08-06-2007, 22:11
It just occured to me that this could have been the perfect opportunity to shoot "The Simple Life 6: Paris goes to jail".
Base Illusions
08-06-2007, 22:12
I would actually watch that one!!
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 22:13
Paris Hilton = the common centre of mass between the earth and the sun?
She's that dense. Probably.
I just don't get why she wangled her way out of jail being such a big deal. People do it all the time: rich and poor. It's a fundamentally unfair system, get over it &c.
Kryozerkia
08-06-2007, 22:15
She got what she deserved and if she whines any more, they ought to double her sentence and give her harsher probation conditions then maybe she'll learn a thing or two.
I despise people who think they can get away with anything because they have money. I believe that in order for the system and law to be respected, people must be treated equally before it, otherwise, the deterrent nature of it fails and we get people breaking the law simply because they believe that because someone else flouted the rules that they too can.
If she was truly a strong and moral person, she'd suck it up and take her term like a grown-up, but she has the mentality of a spoiled little brat. She needs a hefty dose of "reality" and not just what she sees on TV.
Sumamba Buwhan
08-06-2007, 22:15
Flappy Pussy Syndrome is not a serious medical condition.
I bet she just bribed the sherriff dude to say that.
Kbrookistan
08-06-2007, 22:16
I don't hate Paris Hilton, mostly because I don't know her. And I don't want to know her. What I do hate is the fact that she's wasted every single opportunity she's had to do some good in her world, make a difference to someone, instead seeming to prefer being a vapid slut whose greatest contribution to the world so far has been a badly lit porn video.
And I agree with others who've said that there are people in jails and prisons who need transplants, who have HIV and epilepsy, depression and bipolar disorder, who will never see the light of day. And yet this rich blonde white girl gets out of jail because she's upset at being in jail (at least as far as I can tell).
I'm reminded of a case here in Michigan, an inmate named Maurice Carter, who contracted hepatitis before going into the system. He wasn't told he was sick, wasn't treated for his disease, and by the time it got to the point that he needed a transplant, hospitals refused to perform the surgery because he was an inmate. By the time he got a medical commutation, it was too late. info here (http://www.aboutinnocent.org/), tho it's a bit biased. I'm sure you can google Maurice Carter or look him up on the wiki.
Sane Outcasts
08-06-2007, 22:16
Even if she had a medical condition I don't see how that matters, other people have some condition and still need to serve their time. Jails have infirmaries for a reason so she most certainly should be in jail.
*nods*
Agreed. Even if she did develop a "medical condition" in three days that hasn't weakened her enough to prevent her from appearing in court, she can still seems healthy enough to serve her time.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 22:17
Nor do I blame him or champion him.
What I do say is that the rest of us aren't in a position to claim anything about her medical condition. Just because she is a "rich bitch" who could buy justice doesn't mean she can't have a legitimate medical claim.
That's true. I just won't give her the benefit of the doubt though. It annoys me that they wanted to discuss it "behind closed doors." If it was serious, then the papers should have been given to the judge.
I am being unfair just a little bit. I realize that. But I was also arrested the same week as Billy Joel and we were in the same area. Apparently... he miraculously sobered up by the time the police chief got to the scene. I wasn't so lucky because I don't have enough money to sober up at will. I did everything I had to do and I got off probation early because I was so cautious. I didn't drive when I wasn't supposed to, I didn't go out drinking and I stayed out of trouble. I learned from my mistakes.
So, yeah, when I hear about somebody trying to cheat the system, especially one I worked through, I get a bit pissed.
Uruk-kar
08-06-2007, 22:17
hmmm i just read the article and somehow it appears to me that the sherriff might have been bribed but someone forgot to tip the judge
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:19
Actually, we do know that she didn't have a legitimate medical issue. We have concrete evidence; the judge sending her back to prison because whatever it was, it wasn't enough. What more proof do you want, exactly?No. We have concrete evidence that the judge never recieved the papers.
That says nothing about medical issues. Yes, it raises many questions. However, a private psych did see her in prison, and those papers could easily be filled out by him. Why he didn't (or why they wern't submitted) isn't my place to say.
you know, if you dont agree with everyone making fun of her, go start a thread to support her 'cause all your doing here is banging your head against the wallWelcome to NSG. Enjoy your stay. I couldn't care less about everyone making fun of her. This case, however, I think its far too overblown.
Not to mention, if people started new threads because they disagreed with the OP, then we would have no threads. Welcome to a debate forum.
Don't forget this:
Most may not serve out their time, but the judge explicitly ordered Paris to do so. If the Sheriff hasn't been able to supply proof of any medical conditions, there's no reason she should be anywhere but in jail.
I got the impression that the judge can say what he wants, but the sheriff dept. has ultimate authority over the issue...I could be wrong.
For that "medical reason", I heard she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. From NPR, which is usually pretty reliable.Interesting. The documents were unreleased as far as I've seen, so either it is hear-say, or someone is going to prison (and it isn't Paris)
i think you give the benefit of the doubt too easily sarkhaan. even if she is being made an example of as a 'celebrity' criminal i don't see this as a bad thing. as dakini said, the girl needs some reality, as do all public figures.I don't support her being given easy justice any more than I support her being "made an example". People deserve a fair trial and a punishment that fits their crime, regardless of who they are. While I don't disagree with the initial punishment, I disagree that she needs to be sent back just because her name is "Paris Hilton"
I think the amount of attention the story is getting is also quite stupid.
I don't really care in general about her... I just think that if you get caught drinking and driving and they tell you "now, if you don't drive for this amount of time then you can stay out of jail" and you drive during that amount of time then you do deserve to go to jail.I'll agree on all of that.
but if most of the prisoners for the same crime get released after serving as little as 10% of their sentence (and remember, she wasn't "released"...she was placed under house arrest), then why should it be different for her?
Kryozerkia
08-06-2007, 22:20
hmmm i just read the article and somehow it appears to me that the sherriff might have been bribed but someone forgot to tip the judge
Or the judge reached into his little bag of magic tricks and pulled out the common sense bunny. :)
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:22
What I do say is that the rest of us aren't in a position to claim anything about her medical condition. Just because she is a "rich bitch" who could buy justice doesn't mean she can't have a legitimate medical claim.
The fact that, rich as she is, she couldn't produce a single shred of evidence for this "medical condition" would suggest that she doesn't actually have one. Sure, she might have one and the world might be conspiring against her to keep all evidence of it under wraps, but I highly doubt it.
I'm reminded of a case here in Michigan, an inmate named Maurice Carter, who contracted hepatitis before going into the system. He wasn't told he was sick, wasn't treated for his disease, and by the time it got to the point that he needed a transplant, hospitals refused to perform the surgery because he was an inmate. By the time he got a medical commutation, it was too late. info here (http://www.aboutinnocent.org/), tho it's a bit biased. I'm sure you can google Maurice Carter or look him up on the wiki.
Weird. I know that, at least around here, being an inmate is not enough to block you from getting a liver transplant (although being on death row is). Are you sure there weren't other medical conditions that made him ineligible?
Infinite Revolution
08-06-2007, 22:23
I don't support her being given easy justice any more than I support her being "made an example". People deserve a fair trial and a punishment that fits their crime, regardless of who they are. While I don't disagree with the initial punishment, I disagree that she needs to be sent back just because her name is "Paris Hilton"
i don't think that was the reason, was it? i got the impression that it was because she couldn't provide anything to back up the 'medical reasons' for her release.
i don't think that was the reason, was it? i got the impression that it was because she couldn't provide anything to back up the 'medical reasons' for her release.
Yes, the judge wasn't consulted over the release and he wanted to know about what this so called condition was. Clearly he was unimpressed so back to jail with her.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:26
I got the impression that the judge can say what he wants, but the sheriff dept. has ultimate authority over the issue...I could be wrong.
If the judge specifically states that she must carry out her sentence, he can hold the sheriff in contempt of court if that order is not followed.
I don't support her being given easy justice any more than I support her being "made an example". People deserve a fair trial and a punishment that fits their crime, regardless of who they are. While I don't disagree with the initial punishment, I disagree that she needs to be sent back just because her name is "Paris Hilton"
And she shouldn't get out because her name is "Paris Hilton" either.
I'll agree on all of that.
but if most of the prisoners for the same crime get released after serving as little as 10% of their sentence (and remember, she wasn't "released"...she was placed under house arrest), then why should it be different for her?
She has shown a complete disregard for the law. Thus, the judge feels that she needs to serve her entire sentence rather than getting off easy. I doubt that most of the prisoners released have her attitude.
Meanwhile, you are misrepresenting the article. It says that it is not unusual for nonviolent offenders to serve as little as 10% of their sentences, not that "most" people in for the "same crime" do so. Parole violation is likely one of those offenses in which it happens less often - since such people have already shown that a lighter sentence simply won't work with them.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 22:26
Actually, under that marginal utility deal, she probably shouldn't have to spend as much time in jail as the hoi poloi anyway.
Sane Outcasts
08-06-2007, 22:26
I got the impression that the judge can say what he wants, but the sheriff dept. has ultimate authority over the issue...I could be wrong.
As this hearing shows, the judge can render a final decision on where she spends her sentence, especially in light of the lack of proof of Paris' medical condition.
While I don't disagree with the initial punishment, I disagree that she needs to be sent back just because her name is "Paris Hilton"
And I disagree with her almost getting out of going to jail because her name is "Paris Hilton".
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:28
She got what she deserved and if she whines any more, they ought to double her sentence and give her harsher probation conditions then maybe she'll learn a thing or two.
I despise people who think they can get away with anything because they have money. I believe that in order for the system and law to be respected, people must be treated equally before it,So she should be treated equally before the law, but have her punishment doubled if she complains?
mmm...juicy contradictions. coming to a store near you.
That's true. I just won't give her the benefit of the doubt though. It annoys me that they wanted to discuss it "behind closed doors." If it was serious, then the papers should have been given to the judge.Honestly, I have my own suspicions. But they can't be confirmed, and are therefore irrelevant.
The fact that, rich as she is, she couldn't produce a single shred of evidence for this "medical condition" would suggest that she doesn't actually have one. Sure, she might have one and the world might be conspiring against her to keep all evidence of it under wraps, but I highly doubt it.Or maybe there's more to it. Or maybe it isn't anyones business but the judge and Hilton. We don't have a right to know why she was released early.
i don't think that was the reason, was it? i got the impression that it was because she couldn't provide anything to back up the 'medical reasons' for her release.But it was the reason why the judge explicitly stated that she must serve her entire sentence in the prison originally, despite the fact that it would seem that isn't terribly common.
And the reason she was called back (the sheriff went against judges orders)
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:30
Or maybe there's more to it. Or maybe it isn't anyones business but the judge and Hilton. We don't have a right to know why she was released early.
Actually, we do. It was a public proceeding and thus is a matter of public record. We certainly don't have a right to Hilton's medical records, but her "medical condition", whatever it may be, would be a matter of public record. Of course, the public record shows that no "medical condition" has been demonstrated to the court.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:34
Actually, we do. It was a public proceeding and thus is a matter of public record. We certainly don't have a right to Hilton's medical records, but her "medical condition", whatever it may be, would be a matter of public record. Of course, the public record shows that no "medical condition" has been demonstrated to the court.
Well, that is kinda what I was arguing. Perhaps she doesn't want her mental health files to be public record. As we've seen, the media will publicize anything about this case. It isn't all that implausable that she doesn't want that.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:38
Well, that is kinda what I was arguing. Perhaps she doesn't want her mental health files to be public record. As we've seen, the media will publicize anything about this case. It isn't all that implausable that she doesn't want that.
Her files don't have to be public record. But if she wants to get out of jail on a medical condition, the condition itself does. The judge can then, at his discretion, interview the doctor in private or in a public hearing.
Kbrookistan
08-06-2007, 22:41
Weird. I know that, at least around here, being an inmate is not enough to block you from getting a liver transplant (although being on death row is). Are you sure there weren't other medical conditions that made him ineligible?
I think it was more that the hospital just decided that they didn't want to deal with the fallout, and their ethics board discovered a loophole in their rules that allowed them to refuse. Although it could also be against the law, i dunno. Again, I'm going on info from Mr Tjapkes that I heard while he was discussing the case with some playwrights. He shares office space with the temp agency I was working for when I sprained my hip, and the discussion was more interesting than NPR.
CthulhuFhtagn
08-06-2007, 22:42
Well, that is kinda what I was arguing. Perhaps she doesn't want her mental health files to be public record. As we've seen, the media will publicize anything about this case. It isn't all that implausable that she doesn't want that.
So, in short, there being no evidence whatsoever of there being any medical condition at all means there is one. That's an amazingly bizarre line of logic.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 22:42
Actually, we do. It was a public proceeding and thus is a matter of public record. We certainly don't have a right to Hilton's medical records, but her "medical condition", whatever it may be, would be a matter of public record. Of course, the public record shows that no "medical condition" has been demonstrated to the court.
Eh? I thought that she was initially released because her psychiatrist gave an affidavit stating that she was facing a nervous breakdown. And she had a rash.
(Not that there would be issue preclusion with that because the court wasn't there to find facts.)
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:43
So, in short, there being no evidence whatsoever of there being any medical condition at all means there is one. That's an amazingly bizarre line of logic.
No. More absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't claim that she does or does not have a legitimate medical condition. I claim that we don't know enough either way to make that call and therefore, shouldn't.
Northern Borders
08-06-2007, 22:44
What if Paris Hilton dies in jail of her mystery illness?
The question stumps me... I simply can't begin to think about that what if.
Maybe she has a drug addiction and was experiencing withdrawall sympthoms. Now, no one can die from that, but it can get pretty ugly.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:45
Eh? I thought that she was initially released because her psychiatrist gave an affidavit stating that she was facing a nervous breakdown. And she had a rash.
(Not that there would be issue preclusion with that because the court wasn't there to find facts.)
Where is the record of this affidavit? It obviously was not available to give to the judge, considering that he complained throughout the hearing that he had not yet received it.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:46
I though heroin withdrawal could kill you...
as well as alcohol
Infinite Revolution
08-06-2007, 22:47
But it was the reason why the judge explicitly stated that she must serve her entire sentence in the prison originally, despite the fact that it would seem that isn't terribly common.
And the reason she was called back (the sheriff went against judges orders)
ah well, i'm not going to weep for her. by her behaviour she appears to believe she is above the law, while that may be down to her celebrity status, i'm more inclined to believe it was her attitude rather than her fame that swayed the judges decision.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:47
I though heroin withdrawal could kill you...
Even alcohol withdrawal can kill you. But the symptoms would be pretty obvious and she'd be in immediate need of medical attention (the seizures would be a good indication).
Maybe she has a drug addiction and was experiencing withdrawall sympthoms. Now, no one can die from that, but it can get pretty ugly.
I though heroin withdrawal could kill you...
Sumamba Buwhan
08-06-2007, 22:49
What if Paris Hilton dies in jail of her mystery illness?
The question stumps me... I simply can't begin to think about that what if.
I'm willing to take that risk :p
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 22:50
Where is the record of this affidavit? It obviously was not available to give to the judge, considering that he complained throughout the hearing that he had not yet received it.
The extent of my limited non involved understanding is that there is an affidavit out there. (In any event, it would not be hard to get one).
However, given that there was no opposing evidence by the county - as I understand it, ipse dixit, should be enough anyway depending on the nature of the motion.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:51
No. More absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't claim that she does or does not have a legitimate medical condition. I claim that we don't know enough either way to make that call and therefore, shouldn't.
Sure, Hilton might have a medical condition that would justify her release. She also might be genetically male. She also might have slept with the sheriff. We have equal amounts of evidence for each of these possibilities.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:53
Sure, Hilton might have a medical condition that would justify her release. She also might be genetically male. She also might have slept with the sheriff. We have equal amounts of evidence for each of these possibilities.
Right. And, as we have no evidence either way, it is pointless to say anything about any of those.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:54
The extent of my limited non involved understanding is that there is an affidavit out there. (In any event, it would not be hard to get one).
It might be hard to get one that would be medically valid. Of course, money could certainly buy such an affidavit, but the court could then order a second evaluation by someone not on the Hiltons' payroll.
However, given that there was no opposing evidence by the county - as I understand it, ipse dixit, should be enough anyway depending on the nature of the motion.
So let me make sure I understand what you are saying. A simple assertion that someone "has a medical condition" should get them out of jail? With no evidence presented whatsoever?
Holy shit! We can get Genarlow Wilson out of jail now! All we have to do is say that there is, somewhere, an affidavit which says he has a "medical condition" which should get him released!
Sure, Hilton might have a medical condition that would justify her release. She also might be genetically male. She also might have slept with the sheriff. We have equal amounts of evidence for each of these possibilities.
Actually, we probably have more about the sheriff one.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2007, 22:55
Right. And, as we have no evidence either way, it is pointless to say anything about any of those.
Interesting. So now we're back to, "She made an assertion and nobody can counter it because she didn't provide any evidence."
She made an assertion, as did the sheriff's office. It is up to them to provide evidence for it. Absent such evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that they are full of shit.
Interesting. So now we're back to, "She made an assertion and nobody can counter it because she didn't provide any evidence."
She made an assertion, as did the sheriff's office. It is up to them to provide evidence for it. Absent such evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that they are full of shit.
QFT
Sarkhaan
08-06-2007, 22:57
Interesting. So now we're back to, "She made an assertion and nobody can counter it because she didn't provide any evidence."
She made an assertion, as did the sheriff's office. It is up to them to provide evidence for it. Absent such evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that they are full of shit.
Or that, for whatever reason, it wasn't brought forward (and I could think of a few, such as "publicity stunt"). and even with all of this, I maintain my original argument: "Who the fuck cares?"
(although, it would seem that the answer to that question is just about everyone, given the press coverage)
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 23:00
Interesting. So now we're back to, "She made an assertion and nobody can counter it because she didn't provide any evidence."
She made an assertion, as did the sheriff's office. It is up to them to provide evidence for it. Absent such evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that they are full of shit.
No, I'd imagine that this issue is that the sheriff's office didn't counter it. (Or at least not properly at first).
Isn't she back in jail now anyway?
Or that, for whatever reason, it wasn't brought forward (and I could think of a few, such as "publicity stunt"). and even with all of this, I maintain my original argument: "Who the fuck cares?"
(although, it would seem that the answer to that question is just about everyone, given the press coverage)
If you don't care, why are you posting to defend her? Obviously you care somewhat given that you've spent all this time trying to defend Paris...
Don't try to change the subject because you can't beat his argument
Sdtykxdyj
08-06-2007, 23:04
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
This is one of the more ridiculous things I've even heard.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 23:07
This is one of the more ridiculous things I've even heard.
Though it is awesome. I'm capable enough to deal with BILLIONS.
I think we'd all be able to lay claim to Paris Hilton's money. :p
Northern Borders
08-06-2007, 23:11
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
That is like... comunism.
Also, it goes directly against capitalism. Meaning its evil.
Though it is awesome. I'm capable enough to deal with BILLIONS.
Yeah, I like to think I'd be in for a few 7 figure payments. Quite a few actually.
Dorstfeld
08-06-2007, 23:12
Let's see...
...her 360m bucks equally divided among 300m Americans.
It's gonna change history.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 23:15
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
You'd only spend it on booze and your latest 'roulette' system. So I don't imagine it would accomplish much.
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
That doesn't seem right to me.
Instead, I think that those who are born into wealth should use thier wealth towards productive ends, and should be willing to give back to the community wherever possible.
Obviously...Miss Hilton was not taught this ideology as a child.
Northern Borders
08-06-2007, 23:23
I dont think she has learned anything as a kid.
If anything, that she could get anything if she asked.
And that fucks anyone up.
Apparently Ann Coulter has come to Paris' defense(so people on MSN who are watching it on FOX tell me).
Obligatory: Drunk driving bad, Paris should go to jail.
It wasnt just drunk driving it was drunk driving that violated a parole, for drunk driving. That is 90 days for the average Joe. And what was here medical condition? I heard it was either "a rash" or she "almost" had a nervous breakdown.
I dont think she has learned anything as a kid.
Its hard to learn ANYTHING while you are choking on a silver spoon.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2007, 23:28
Its hard to learn ANYTHING while you are choking on a silver spoon.
Or a dick. Apparently.
Still, at least she knows what she likes.
Or a dick. Apparently.
Still, at least she knows what she likes.
And gets alot of it.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 23:36
And gets alot of it.
I'm not going to eat it. Get Paris to eat it. She'll eat anything.
Paris likes it!
Sure, Hilton might have a medical condition that would justify her release. She also might be genetically male. She also might have slept with the sheriff. We have equal amounts of evidence for each of these possibilities.
If there was a medical condition, there was ample time before sentencing to mention it. If some urgent one popped up, I doubt they'd hesitate in saying what it was. Theres actually more evidence for her being genetically male, I reckon, as theres more curves on a scaffolding plank.
As for speculation re withdrawal....Cocaine would doubtless be what Ms Hilton will miss.
Its a shame the football player serving 10 years for receiving a blow job didnt get this level of publicity when he was locked up.....
The blessed Chris
08-06-2007, 23:40
Shame that. *yawn*
New Genoa
08-06-2007, 23:41
They should've just executed the stupid spoiled whore.
Homieville
08-06-2007, 23:42
Money is power. OJ is a murderer but money is power.... Another example of how the government of the United States works.
Dobbsworld
08-06-2007, 23:52
*laughs*
*lights up pipe*
*laughs uncontrollably, finger pointing waggingly at photo of Hilton heiress on news website*
*wipes tears of laughter from eyes*
"Mom!"
*starts all over again*
They should've just executed the stupid spoiled whore.
And release the tape on the internet! You think the Paris Hilton sex tape got alot of views, the Paris Hilton EXECUTION tape would be epic win.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/care-o-meter.gif
Many of Hilton's several dozen supporters outside the courthouse appeared devastated.
Ha. Several dozen. And not even all of them showed up :p
Paris Hilton was returned to jail today despite her brilliant legal argument that it's not fair to make her serve her entire sentence.
No. “Mommy, it’s not fair,” as they drag Paris out of court.
Mommy says, “I know darling, it will be OK now that you are going to the other jail for people who need psychiatric help.”
Daddy says, “Oh, my poor baby”
The sheriff says, “Damn, I don’t want the bitch back.”
The judge says, “Why the hell didn’t they spank her little spoiled ass when she was little?”
Oklatex says, “Good. The spoiled little bitch is long overdue for this.”
Secret aj man
09-06-2007, 01:07
Even if she had a medical condition I don't see how that matters, other people have some condition and still need to serve their time. Jails have infirmaries for a reason so she most certainly should be in jail.
*nods*
i completely agree with you,i have serious issues with confinement,seriously claustrophobic to the point of major panic attacks and anxiety attacks.
when i was locked up it was a nightmare i will never forget.
luckily i was not in general pop. cause of the job they gave me,but the first week before i got moved was awful.
at least she is in a special cell block,and they do have available from the infirmary...meds to calm you down,and does not have to worry about being shanked.not to mention the insane noise that comes with general population,sharing showers and bathrooms and 2tv's with a 100 people shouting at it.
that said,for some reason i feel a bit sad for her,not that she does not deserve to do her time like everyone else does....nothin pisses me off more then the preferential treatment rich people get.
but i really for some odd reason feel sorry for her,her life is constantly scrutinized(the ugly flip side of celebrity)but now she is the laughing stock of the world,being mocked for crying and probably having major emotional issues(hell i did and it wasnt broadcast for the world to see me crying.maybe the judge is trying to help her realise that your actions can and do have consequences.i doubt it will,she will make it thru this and continue her ways,cause money affords that,but maybe she will be more careful the next time she is drinking and get a driver or a cab.
i really dont understand why everyone hates her,she is someones child,i am sure she has feelings and never did anything to me or anyone that i know of..she is just your typical lil rich daddys girl princess.
if anyone deserves to be lambasted and scorned ,it is her twit parents that raised a kid that thinks the world revolves around her.that your behaviour has no consequences,that money fix's everything.
i feel sorry for her emotional state,not for her punishment.
lastly,dont think that politics has no part in making an example out of her,to show we treat everyone the same...bullshit...i bet most people charged similary get probation or house arrest,not jail,as the jails are to crowded.or an additional license suspension.
i will also say that rich do get away with more,but in this case i think it worked against her.
hell i had some serious charges,attempted murder of a cop,agg.assault on a cop,resisting with violence,felony eluding and a slew of m.v. offences,(bogus)and all i had to do was give my attorny 15,000.00 and i walked away with a 100.00 fine and a disordely persons charge.i was innocent,but if i did not have the money for the attorney,i would be rotting in jail as we speak.
the system sucks,and in this case,it seems to be working in reverse for ms.hilton.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 01:12
Good. Perhaps she will meet a real person, one who is not spoiled rotten.
Good. Perhaps she will meet a real person, one who is not spoiled rotten.
Actually, I understand she's in a special area for high-profile prisoners, like celebrities, police officers, and politicians.
Secret aj man
09-06-2007, 01:23
Actually, I understand she's in a special area for high-profile prisoners, like celebrities, police officers, and politicians.
that she is,and hell that aint to bad an enviroment to do your time.
i think they should toss dirty cops and dirty pols into general myself.now that would be a deterent.
paris does not belong tossed in with knife carrying gangbangers,that aint right,not to mention how exploited she would be.
she gets enough of that in the real world by the media whores,the scumbag that released the sex tape..etc.
i am not saying poor paris,she cant have it both ways,be an attention whore for the media,but when she fucks up have privacy,i am just saying she is a spoiled little princess and is probably seriously distaught right about now,i feel bad for anyone in that situation,except dirty cops and dirty pols...they knew what they were doing,and screwing people in the process,far as i know paris didnt hurt anyone cept herself.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
09-06-2007, 01:58
lastly,dont think that politics has no part in making an example out of her,to show we treat everyone the same...bullshit...i bet most people charged similary get probation
She did get probation, it was the violation of probation that landed her in jail. No sane judge would give someone probation for violating probation. Justice was served, everyone be happy... now forget about it and get onto a more interesting thread.
Kryozerkia
09-06-2007, 02:46
So she should be treated equally before the law, but have her punishment doubled if she complains?
mmm...juicy contradictions. coming to a store near you.
Think about it... do you honestly think that bawling like a wee lass in front of the judge is going to garner sympathy for you? If anything, the poor judge has had a long day of listening to people's bullshit and the last thing they want is to listen to some little spoiled brat bawl her eyes out because she has to serve her sentence like a normal person.
New Stalinberg
09-06-2007, 03:38
We should send the useless slut to a male prison and have her get raped every single day.
Marrakech II
09-06-2007, 04:05
She should have just hacked someone's head off. I hear that's legal in California.
Anyway, while she's in jail, she can't look for the real drunk driver.
Classic..... :p
Marrakech II
09-06-2007, 04:06
We should send the useless slut to a male prison and have her get raped every single day.
The judge says she needs to be punished.;)
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 04:09
The fact that you get jailed for this is unfair. I neither sympathise with nor wish this upon her, but I think this has been blown out of proportion.
We should send the useless slut to a male prison and have her get raped every single day.
Have you ever been raped before? No? Would you want to be? No? Well then please refrain from willing that others suffer it.
Frisbeeteria
09-06-2007, 04:11
I think this has been blown out of proportion.
Something to do with Paris Hilton that has been blown out of proportion?
Say it ain't so!
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 04:41
A special unit in jail for celebrities, police officers and politicians?
No! Please! Give me solitary confinement! Give me general! Just fucking shoot me now! Not the special unit, ple-e-ase!
Kbrookistan
09-06-2007, 05:21
The fact that you get jailed for this is unfair. I neither sympathise with nor wish this upon her, but I think this has been blown out of proportion.
Umm... Jailed for what? She got tossed into jail for violating probation on a drunk driving charge. Pretty damn good reason for jail time there!
Have you ever been raped before? No? Would you want to be? No? Well then please refrain from willing that others suffer it.
Troof.
The fact that you get jailed for this is unfair.
How? She got caught drunk driving, something that has the dangerous potential of killing other people, and told to not do it again for a month and a half or else. She does it again two more times, and only after the second incident is she finally force to face that "or else" part in her original sentence.
What should her sentence be? "Don't do this again or...we'll tell you not to do it again"? Justice shouldn't be as limp-wristed as the UN.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:22
Think about it... do you honestly think that bawling like a wee lass in front of the judge is going to garner sympathy for you? If anything, the poor judge has had a long day of listening to people's bullshit and the last thing they want is to listen to some little spoiled brat bawl her eyes out because she has to serve her sentence like a normal person.
In this case, I think it was as much a case of the judge and PA being pissed because the sheriff made them look bad as anything. They had to be hard-asses because the sheriff got them dirty by acting on his own.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 05:24
How? She got caught drunk driving, something that has the dangerous potential of killing other people, and told to not do it again for a month and a half or else. She does it again two more times, and only after the second incident is she finally force to face that "or else" part in her original sentence.
What should her sentence be? "Don't do this again or...we'll tell you not to do it again"? Justice shouldn't be as limp-wristed as the UN.
Was that a red shark? Or some optical illusion which made a red herring look really, really big and dangerous?
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:24
We should send the useless slut to a male prison and have her get raped every single day.
I don't know if I ever respected you in the past--there are so many people here it's hard to keep track--but not any more. Rape ain't funny and it ain't cute to wish it on anyone.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 05:30
I don't know if I ever respected you in the past--there are so many people here it's hard to keep track--but not any more. Rape ain't funny and it ain't cute to wish it on anyone.
I second that. It wasn't funny.
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 05:32
Umm... Jailed for what? She got tossed into jail for violating probation on a drunk driving charge. Pretty damn good reason for jail time there!
How? She got caught drunk driving, something that has the dangerous potential of killing other people, and told to not do it again for a month and a half or else. She does it again two more times, and only after the second incident is she finally force to face that "or else" part in her original sentence.
What should her sentence be? "Don't do this again or...we'll tell you not to do it again"? Justice shouldn't be as limp-wristed as the UN.
If she had actually killed someone, I'd agree. But she didn't. So I don't.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 05:40
If she had actually killed someone, I'd agree. But she didn't. So I don't.
She wasn't jailed for drunk driving. She was jailed for breaking probation.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:43
If she had actually killed someone, I'd agree. But she didn't. So I don't.
So someone's got to die before a drunk driver goes to jail? What if they just maim someone? Would that do? If you drive drunk, you might as well start shooting a gun wildly in the air and hope to god you don't hit anyone.
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 05:44
She wasn't jailed for drunk driving. She was jailed for breaking probation.
What was she in probation for?
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:45
What was she in probation for?
Driving drunk.
Frankley I think it's very fair. I was hated the fact that she was let off the hook so easily the first time. I mean she was busted for Drunk Driving (Which she should have gone straight to jail for) but the judge was nice enough to put her on probation. She broke her probation now she should pay the price for it. Just like everyone else would. I mean do you think Joe Schmoe broke probation after a DUI he would be put under House Arrest? No he would be sent to jail. No more special treatment for celberties! It's like the old saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:50
Frankley I think it's very fair. I was hated the fact that she was let off the hook so easily the first time. I mean she was busted for Drunk Driving (Which she should have gone straight to jail for) but the judge was nice enough to put her on probation. She broke her probation now she should pay the price for it. Just like everyone else would. I mean do you think Joe Schmoe broke probation after a DUI he would be put under House Arrest? No he would be sent to jail. No more special treatment for celberties! It's like the old saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Jail is almost never the sentence for a first offense DUI. She wasn't even hit with the probation until her second offense, and the third broke the probation, all within a year, I believe.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 05:52
*...*
It's like the old saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Huh? I thought it was "don't do the time if you can't do the crime"?
And that's been working for me, too. :p
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 05:53
(Gawd, no matter what I turn it on, CNN, FOX, whatever, they're all showing how she was crying and screaming in the cop car.)
That's why I don't watch tv news.
Lame Bums
09-06-2007, 05:54
She's had three offences within a year, two of which were on probation, IIRC. She deserves at least six months, but I think this would have been nipped in the bud if she had to spend overnight in jail for her first DUI. Let the drama and crying unfold, and then she's learned her lesson, without all the mass hysteria and media coverage.
(Gawd, no matter what I turn it on, CNN, FOX, whatever, they're all showing how she was crying and screaming in the cop car.)
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 05:54
So someone's got to die before a drunk driver goes to jail? What if they just maim someone? Would that do? If you drive drunk, you might as well start shooting a gun wildly in the air and hope to god you don't hit anyone.
Alright, fair enough. The only good thing for her from this is that she'll come off as a martyr.
It really must be a slow news day. They're covering this like they coverd Michale Jackson's Trial! It's been on FOX all day
Neo Undelia
09-06-2007, 05:56
If there were any real justice in the world, there would be a way to sentence her to complete media non-existence.
Should I become Almighty, that will be on my agenda. :)
Well, the Associated Press once deliberately stopped reporting on stories about her for two weeks as a little experiment. Turns out interest in her dropped about thirty percent (of what I'm not sure) during that time. A shame they didn't continue.
Lame Bums
09-06-2007, 05:59
It really must be a slow news day. They're covering this like they coverd Michale Jackson's Trial! It's been on FOX all day
Well, this is the same channel who devoted at least two hours per day for a year to talk about Scott Peterson's trial...
Lacadaemon
09-06-2007, 06:01
The whole thing makes me want to vomit.
"Rule of law". I don't think anyone would actually recognize it if it was applied anymore. Rule of mob, more like.
When I see Bill Clinton in the dock for his crimes, I'll pay a little attention to this screaming for everyone to be treated equally. Until then, we should leave people who are as dumb as dirt alone.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 06:02
Well, the Associated Press once deliberately stopped reporting on stories about her for two weeks as a little experiment. Turns out interest in her dropped about thirty percent (of what I'm not sure) during that time. A shame they didn't continue.
That would be nice. It would be even nicer if celebrity reporting stopped completely.
Ancap Paradise
09-06-2007, 06:06
Well, the Associated Press once deliberately stopped reporting on stories about her for two weeks as a little experiment. Turns out interest in her dropped about thirty percent (of what I'm not sure) during that time. A shame they didn't continue.
QFMFT.
Ancap Paradise
09-06-2007, 06:07
That would be nice. It would be even nicer if celebrity reporting stopped completely.
I love you.
New Stalinberg
09-06-2007, 06:11
That would be nice. It would be even nicer if celebrity reporting stopped completely.
What if Sean Connery saves a flaming school bus full of little school children and puppy dogs?
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 06:11
What if Sean Connery saves a flaming school bus full of little school children and puppy dogs?
That could fit under human interest.
Ancap Paradise
09-06-2007, 06:13
What if Sean Connery saves a flaming school bus full of little school children and puppy dogs?
Hmmm.
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 06:14
The whole thing makes me want to vomit.
"Rule of law". I don't think anyone would actually recognize it if it was applied anymore. Rule of mob, more like.
When I see Bill Clinton in the dock for his crimes, I'll pay a little attention to this screaming for everyone to be treated equally. Until then, we should leave people who are as dumb as dirt alone.
Well put. Although when it comes to politicians who get away with murder, Cheney is the person who comes to mind.
Kbrookistan
09-06-2007, 06:16
When I see Bill Clinton in the dock for his crimes, I'll pay a little attention to this screaming for everyone to be treated equally. Until then, we should leave people who are as dumb as dirt alone.
Ummm... Crimes? Okay, he lied under oath. Had he been convicted, he would have gotten something like Libbey got, thirty months in jail and a hefty fine. And i have no problem with that. But crimes, plural? Elucidate?
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 06:18
Some people are not competent to drive a motor vehicle.
I'm not saying Paris is or isn't one of them, but I think the bar should be set a lot higher. Say the top 70% of people who apply for a licence, top 70% by assessed driving skills.
Below that, it doesn't matter that they have a $100,000 sports car and want to drive it, or they really need a car to get to work.
If you can't drive, you should not be allowed to fake it. That's a ton of steel going at 60km/h, it is not a human right to control one. You have to be good at it, and you have to be responsible in doing it.
"Motor accidents" bullshit. Driver incompetence, almost every time.
EDIT: I'll detail that some more: license for demonstrated driving skills. Minor infraction (bad parking, failing to indicate before turning, dangerous driving like tailgating, passing without line of sight, or marginal speeding): half your license. Speeding, disregarding clearly posted signs, causing an "accident": your licence, for life. Take a bus buddy, you aren't competent or responsible enough to be trusted with other peoples lives.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 06:20
Ummm... Crimes? Okay, he lied under oath. Had he been convicted, he would have gotten something like Libbey got, thirty months in jail and a hefty fine. And i have no problem with that. But crimes, plural? Elucidate?
He wouldn't have even gotten that. Libby was convicted on obstruction of justice, and no matter how many Republicans say he did that in the Lewinski case, no way you ever get a conviction on it.
Kbrookistan
09-06-2007, 06:23
He wouldn't have even gotten that. Libby was convicted on obstruction of justice, and no matter how many Republicans say he did that in the Lewinski case, no way you ever get a conviction on it.
Ah, I thought it was perjury. Dear sweet Gods, I listen to NPR every day and I missed that.
The Nazz
09-06-2007, 06:28
Ah, I thought it was perjury. Dear sweet Gods, I listen to NPR every day and I missed that.
Libby was convicted in perjury, obstruction, and lying to a grand jury I believe--four counts total, with two of one of them. Clinton, if they could have gotten him on anything, wouldn't have gotten nearly the same kind of grief.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 06:31
Well put. Although when it comes to politicians who get away with murder, Cheney is the person who comes to mind.
That's one red-hot herring you got there. Put the spurs in!
EDIT: OK, off to make a silly pic of people trying to jump on a red herring like it is a bandwagon. Gotta get this stinking graphics tablet to work, and there's the cooking dinner thing, and also the work thing. I may be a while.
Kbrookistan
09-06-2007, 06:32
Libby was convicted in perjury, obstruction, and lying to a grand jury I believe--four counts total, with two of one of them. Clinton, if they could have gotten him on anything, wouldn't have gotten nearly the same kind of grief.
'Kay, I feel a little bit better now. But I still don't understand what crimess Clinton committed. Having an affair? Unless Hilary and he had an 'understanding', a scummy and dishonorable thing to do, but not a rime outside the military. Being a dumbass unable to keep his pants zipped? Not a crime, IIRC. If he committed multiple crimes, I haven't heard about them.
Gauthier
09-06-2007, 06:37
Spoiled Rich Prison Bitch finds out her fame and fortune won't get her special treatment from the justice system and she goes crying to Mommy about how it's "Not Fair."
Waaaah, cry me the Nile.
And since when was skankitis with nymphomania considered a "serious medical condition"?
Europa Maxima
09-06-2007, 06:43
That's one red-hot herring you got there. Put the spurs in!
EDIT: OK, off to make a silly pic of people trying to jump on a red herring like it is a bandwagon. Gotta get this stinking graphics tablet to work, and there's the cooking dinner thing, and also the work thing. I may be a while.
Well it was a fair point to make - Clinton is hardly the most criminal of politicians.
Non Aligned States
09-06-2007, 06:48
Anything worthwhile involves either mud or pies. *nod*
I am beginning to suspect that soap is your kryptonite LG.
Lacadaemon
09-06-2007, 07:10
Well it was a fair point to make - Clinton is hardly the most criminal of politicians.
And nor is Paris Hilton the most criminal of celebrities. So it's a perfectly second tier comparison to make.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 07:14
And nor is Paris Hilton the most criminal of celebrities. So it's a perfectly second tier comparison to make.
It is I guess. I'm just concerned that Bill's pants have more goforwardness than Parises driving.
Red Herrings are dangerous I tell you. They can take your leg off. :confused:
Lacadaemon
09-06-2007, 07:25
Red Herrings are dangerous I tell you. They can take your leg off. :confused:
Nah, only if you are as slow as the current middle order batsmen for England.
Myotisinia
09-06-2007, 09:53
Who cares?
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 12:48
Who cares?
We care!
Kryozerkia
09-06-2007, 13:09
In this case, I think it was as much a case of the judge and PA being pissed because the sheriff made them look bad as anything. They had to be hard-asses because the sheriff got them dirty by acting on his own.
And rightfully so. They PA and Judge were trying to uphold the law and demonstrate that money doesn't get you any favours. The law says you don't drink and drive... and you get slapped a DUI and break probation twice, not being hauled to jail the first time and having the audacity to cry like a spoiled brat when you're forced to serve 45 days because you got caught the second time... well... tough luck. :p I wonder how many average Joe-Smoes would have loved to be released after serving 5 days for breaking probation?! ;)
On a side note, it seems the sheriff who released Hilton early is know for playing favourites...
Clicky (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/222788)
Sheriff under fire – again
LOS ANGELES — This is not the first time that Lee Baca, the sheriff who opened the jail door for Paris Hilton, has had his judgment questioned.
He’s been accused of using his authority to benefit friends and supporters. Since taking office he’s accepted thousands of dollars worth of freebie meals, sports tickets and trips.
Now Baca is facing accusations of favoritism after making the decision that allowed Hilton to leave jail Thursday to serve out her sentence at her West Hollywood home.
After ordering Hilton back to her cell today, Superior Court Judge Michael T. Sauer said he “at no time condoned the actions of the sheriff.’’
The union representing deputy sheriffs demanded that Baca “put a stop to his special treatment for celebrity inmates.” And county Supervisor Don Knabe said he was stunned to find out Baca released Hilton without consulting the court.
“I would have thought he would have better judgment than that,” Knabe said.
The county Board of Supervisors will demand a report on Hilton’s release and Baca’s decision-making in the matter, Knabe said.
For Baca, 65, who has led the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department since 1998, the blowback is not extraordinary.
When Mel Gibson was arrested for drunken driving, the department withheld video and audio tapes of the arrest, asserting they were exempt from open-government laws.
There were questions about favorable treatment for Gibson after a sheriff’s spokesman initially said the arrest occurred “without incident” and made no mention of the superstar’s now-notorious anti-Semitic rant.
“When a celebrity is involved, that’s when people pay attention,” said Robert Stern of the Center for Governmental Studies, a research group. “The big question ... is why didn’t the sheriff go to the judge” before Hilton was released.
Baca has dismissed criticism over the decision.
Last year, the Los Angeles Times reported Baca put one of his closest friends on the payroll as a $105,000-a-year adviser.
The newspaper also said he had accepted more than $42,000 in gifts since taking office, including some from those who do business with his department.
In 2004, he took more gifts than California’s other 57 sheriffs combined.
Baca oversees an 8,000-officer force that has been vexed by low morale, tight budgets, overcrowded jails and the persistence of gang crime.
Jonathan Wilcox, a Republican strategist who teaches a course on politics and celebrity at the University of Southern California, said Baca may be caught between public expectations and the reality of the criminal justice system:
“Sheriff Baca needs to be very concerned with at least the impression that the final frontier — the law — is now as affected by celebrity as almost every other aspect of our lives.’’
Wonder what stunt they'll try to pull to get Paris Hilton's driver's license back ...
Hydesland
09-06-2007, 16:59
Oh God I hate paris, so... DAMN... MUCH!
And since when was skankitis with nymphomania considered a "serious medical condition"?
Actually, I believe nymphomania is classified as a serious mental disorder. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Nobel Hobos
10-06-2007, 03:30
Actually, I believe nymphomania is classified as a serious mental disorder. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Nymphomania for girls. Satyriasis for boys. *nod*
Some PC twerp has decided that "Hypersexuality" is more appropriate. But those old words (from the Greek apparently) are ... well ... (phew!) they're just HAWT!
How about this one ... hang on, I'll use the spoiler on it.
Prepare yourself, it's hawt doggies!
Furor Uterinus!
The Nazz
10-06-2007, 03:39
Oh God I hate paris, so... DAMN... MUCH!
Must be nice to have all that energy and nothing to do with it. I can't seem to get myself up to the level of giving a shit.
Troglobites
10-06-2007, 04:00
Must be disallusioning to fall into your own hell after jumping up and down on the fabric of reality like the mad person she really is.
Sdtykxdyj
25-06-2007, 17:16
What's unfair is that she's rich.
My belief is that if you're born into money but you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself, then it should be confiscated and dispersed among intelligent but destitute individuals.
As much as I'm open to criticism, did any of you even read what I wrote?
That doesn't seem right to me.
Instead, I think that those who are born into wealth should use thier wealth towards productive ends, and should be willing to give back to the community wherever possible.
Pretty much what I had said. If "you're not smart or capable enough to have earned it yourself," and won't use it wisely or for the good of society...
As in being a good contributer to society. Only by providing strong contributions to society do people ever get rich.
I'm not counting celebrities as they are more of a plague taking advantage of an audience.
You'd only spend it on booze and your latest 'roulette' system. So I don't imagine it would accomplish much.
Um... what? I don't drink, nor do I gamble. Note "intelligent but destitute." I wouldn't call an alcoholic with a gambling addiction intelligent... he would get nothing.
New Stalinberg
25-06-2007, 18:03
What's not fair is that it's illegal for me to send a few 7.62x54Rs in her direction. :(