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Oh, my, fuck! This is insane! 10 years! For something a 17-year old and a 15-year old both consented to?! I am almost speechless.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

Well, duh!

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment. Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

They're both minors... what's the problem? Geez, it's just a 2-year age difference. :eek:

Fucking sex-haters. :headbang:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/

Oh, my, fuck! This is insane! 10 years! For something a 17-year old and a 15-year old both consented to?! I am almost speechless.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

Well, duh!

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*

From what I understand, the problem with this was the specific act. If he had actually had penis-vagina sex with her, such laws would have taken their ages into account and he would not have been charged. He was charged, however, because it was oral sex, which wasn't included in the law. Or something like that.

It's bullshit anyways, and likely has more to do with his ethnic background than anything else.

Sorry, I couldn't take the subject seriously after I read this bit
Wilson’s attorney, B.J. Bernstein,

What are you in jail for?

"Murder."
"Armed robbery."
"Mugged, beat up and raped an elderly woman."
'Killed a cop."
"Got a blowjob."

Wait, what?

15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

Oh, please, such puritan nonsense. As I mentioned, 15 is the age of consent in my country and I don't see anyone worse for it. Not to mention, of course, that the 15-year old instigated this... now that my speaking ability has returned, I shall deem this another example of puritan douchebaggery and thank my lucky stars that at least our puritans left for North America and didn't remain here.

Think we could swap him with Paris Hilton?

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment. Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

Hehe and which sort of 17 year old male knows that sort of better?

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment. Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

They were both minors. This shouldn't even be a story. Too bad we seem to always have idiots for lawmakers.

From what I understand, the problem with this was the specific act. If he had actually had penis-vagina sex with her, such laws would have taken their ages into account and he would not have been charged. He was charged, however, because it was oral sex, which wasn't included in the law. Or something like that.

"Remember, kids! Blowjobs are a no-no, but penetration is a-OK!"

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

IT WAS HIS GIRLFRIEND!


2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15?

HE'S NOT A FULL GROWN ADULT, EITHER.


3. He should have just fucking known better.

How? What could conceivably be so awful about oral sex?


should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment.

That's absurd.


Just FYI Fass, we had a thread on this a few months ago. Though I admit it may merit further discussion.

Think we could swap him with Paris Hilton?

Think we could have him sleep with her and call that punishment enough?

Think we could have him sleep with her and call that punishment enough?

Hmm, sounds Cruel and Unusual to me.

They were both minors. This shouldn't even be a story. Too bad we seem to always have idiots for lawmakers.

And those same idiot lawmakers, while acknowledging that the law which allowed this was unjust and changing it, then specifically and intentionally kept the new law from retroactively applying to Mr. Wilson, effectively upholding his sentence.

I hate the politicians in this state. I really, really do. Nearly all of them are first-degree assholes.


IT WAS HIS GIRLFRIEND!

I haven't read that. Is there evidence? Mr. Wilson also slept with another girl at the party - penetrative sex. He was charged with rape in that case but the act was found to have been consensual. I've never read anything to suggest he had an ongoing relationship with either girl.

I think it's more to do with consistancy with the law, which is confusing, rather then a crazy maverick judge who hates sex blah blah blah. The judge had to do his job, he can't change the law. The only way these kids could get the sentance appealed is to have the law changed, or maybe apeal to congress or something.

I remember that case. Mindbogglingly appalling.

Incredible and yet typical: I spoke with Wilson’s attorney, who’s working around the clock for free to right an injustice. She is frustrated because no one believes Wilson should be in prison for 10 years — not the prosecutors, Supreme Court, legislature, 15-year-old schoolmate, jury forewoman, or even the prison officials — but no one has done anything to get him out.

Oh, please, such puritan nonsense. As I mentioned, 15 is the age of consent in my country and I don't see anyone worse for it. Not to mention, of course, that the 15-year old instigated this... now that my speaking ability has returned, I shall deem this another example of puritan douchebaggery and thank my lucky stars that at least our puritans left for North America and didn't remain here.

I know from personal experiance...

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine. If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things.


And to call ME a puritan? You obviously have no idea who you are talking too.

I haven't read that. Is there evidence? Mr. Wilson also slept with another girl at the party - penetrative sex. He was charged with rape in that case but the act was found to have been consensual. I've never read anything to suggest he had an ongoing relationship with either girl.

Wait...did this happen TWICE? Because I remember a few months back a 17 year old got 10 years for getting consensual oral sex from his 15 year old girlfriend...

I think it's more to do with consistancy with the law, which is confusing, rather then a crazy maverick judge who hates sex blah blah blah. The judge had to do his job, he can't change the law. The only way these kids could get the sentance appealed is to have the law changed, or maybe apeal to congress or something.

The law has been changed. Outrage over this case and a few others fueled a change in the law. Lawmakers could have written the law in such a way that it retroactively applied to Mr. Wilson, reducing his crime to a misdemeanor so that he would get out of jail and would not have to register as a sex offender. They specifically chose not to.

can we see the video tape?

Wait...did this happen TWICE? Because I remember a few months back a 17 year old got 10 years for getting consensual oral sex from his 15 year old girlfriend...

You're probably thinking about Marcus Dixon. He was 18 and had consensual (penetrative) sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. He was charged with rape and (I believe) child molestation. He did receive a 10-year sentence, but that sentence has since been overturned.

In the case of Marcus Dixon - knowing the town involved and quite a bit about the DA there, I can pretty much guarantee that the real problem was that Dixon is black and the girlfriend is white. If they had shared the same ethnic background, it never even would have gone to trial. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case with Mr. Wilson as well.

You're probably thinking about Marcus Dixon. He was 18 and had consensual (penetrative) sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. He was charged with rape and (I believe) child molestation. He did receive a 10-year sentence, but that sentence has since been overturned.

In the case of Marcus Dixon - knowing the town involved and quite a bit about the DA there, I can pretty much guarantee that the real problem was that Dixon is black and the girlfriend is white. If they had shared the same ethnic background, it never even would have gone to trial. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case with Mr. Wilson as well.

If I remember right, he was charged with statuatory sodomy, despite the fact that sodomy laws have been struck down by the supreme court.

I know from personal experiance...

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering.

Not necessarily. I've known some pretty mature 15 year olds and some pretty immature 18 year olds. In this case, the age difference was even less - it was a 15 year old and a 17 year old. Who knows what the actual maturity difference was?

IT WAS HIS GIRLFRIEND!
Prove it



HE'S NOT A FULL GROWN ADULT, EITHER.
No but he is still old enough to be responsible for his own acts

How? What could conceivably be so awful about oral sex?
Well she might bite down for one thing...


[QUOTE=Zarakon;12743979]That's absurd.
[\QUOTE]
Whats upserd is performing sex acts on video with a young kid.

Hmm, sounds Cruel and Unusual to me.

As if that's ever stopped the USA government before.

If I remember right, he was charged with statuatory sodomy, despite the fact that sodomy laws have been struck down by the supreme court.

Hmmmm. Might be a different case altogether. I know there were more cases than simply Dixon's and Wilson's that sparked the moves to change the law.

can we see the video tape?

she was 15...

Underage porno = worse then this.


I hope he has a good lawyer to appeal this stupid ruling, although yes, oral sex should be added to the romeo and juliet law.

she was 15...

Underage porno = worse then this.


I hope he has a good lawyer to appeal this stupid ruling, although yes, oral sex should be added to the romeo and juliet law.

Okay, but only if it's official name will be the "Anti-Bill Amendment".

You know...because it makes oral sex considered sex...


SaintB, my bad. I was thinking of a virtually identical case a few months ago, where it WAS the guy's girlfriend.

No but he is still old enough to be responsible for his own acts

So is she.

Whats upserd is performing sex acts on video with a young kid.

It really is misleading to call her a "young kid" when they were both so close in age. When I was 17, I had plenty of 15-year old friends. I never though of any of them as "young kids". It wasn't at all unusual for a 17-year old and a 15-year old (or maybe even a larger difference) to be dating.

I know from personal experiance...

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine. If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things.


And to call ME a puritan? You obviously have no idea who you are talking too.how is a 17 year old closer to adulthood than a 15 year old? it's just two little years. and who cares for the law at 17? or even later? laws about sex are all dumb anyways.

she was 15...

Underage porno = worse then this.


I hope he has a good lawyer to appeal this stupid ruling, although yes, oral sex should be added to the romeo and juliet law.the tape was used in court. so they are all guilty of watching underage porno.

I know from personal experiance...

As do I, and I see no one worse for it.

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish.

So, "children" in the USA are more irresponsible and foolish than Swedish ones? Ours can somehow handle sex at the age of 15, but yours can't? Well, if one looks at teen pregnancy rates and VD statistics, one might draw that conclusion about teens in the USA, but I would have judged that a consequence of a severely lacking and, again, puritan approach to sexual education and teen sexuality and not the fault of the age itself.

The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine.

Ah, yes: "The law is unjust and horrendously stupid, but he broke it and thus should shut up! How can anyone object to our legislative and judicial lunacy? No, he should pay the price for it!"

If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things. And to call ME a puritan? You obviously have no idea who you are talking too.

I'll add hypocrite to that, too.

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment. Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

Hey, us 17 year olds don't have time to think when sex is a possibility...:p

So, "children" in the USA are more irresponsible and foolish than Swedish ones? Ours can somehow handle sex at the age of 15, but yours can't? Well, if one looks at teen pregnancy rates and VD statistics, one might draw that conclusion about teens in the USA, but I would have judged that a consequence of a severely lacking and, again, puritan approach to sexual education and teen sexuality and not the fault of the age itself.

Thank you for that last part. I was about to go into full rant mode.

any jail time whatsoever for this is just utterly retarded.

The only sensible sex laws are those that prohibit exploitation of minors, both gender, criminalise rape, sexual assault and protect young children under the minimum age of consent (14 is always a good age) from sexual predators.

how is a 17 year old closer to adulthood than a 15 year old? it's just two little years. and who cares for the law at 17? or even later? laws about sex are all dumb anyways.

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I can repeat it all day. The difference in two years between teenagers is amazing.

Most 13 year olds are usually still annoying runts

Most 14 year olds are slightly less annoying

Most 15 year olds aren't so aggravating but they are highly irresponsible

Most 16 year olds are starting to break in to the world, they have grown up a bit and learned some responisbility

Most 17 year olds are young adults, fully responsible for thier own actions and most capable on thier own

There is a big differenence.

I don't care if teenagers have sex or what have you but I am disgusted by a 17 year old almost man and a 15 year old girl. I bet there were plenty of women his age at that same party willing to hook up.

Oh, please, such puritan nonsense. As I mentioned, 15 is the age of consent in my country and I don't see anyone worse for it. Not to mention, of course, that the 15-year old instigated this... now that my speaking ability has returned, I shall deem this another example of puritan douchebaggery and thank my lucky stars that at least our puritans left for North America and didn't remain here.


Why oh why didn't you keep them? lol (Yes,Fass, I had to crack a joke.)

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


.

1 He was 17

2 He was 17

3 He was 17

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine
Oh please. I was hardly an innocent little angel at the age of 15. Few teens are. Girls even less so because they mature faster. She was probably older than him in mental terms!

Most 17 year olds are young adults, fully responsible for thier own actions and most capable on thier ownseems you don't know many 17 year olds. and even older folks would have sex if they were asked to, no matter what the law says. i don't know any 15 to 17 year olds who do not have had sex yet.

Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level.

I can repeat it all day. The difference in two years between teenagers is amazing.

Most 13 year olds are usually still annoying runts

Most 14 year olds are slightly less annoying

Most 15 year olds aren't so aggravating but they are highly irresponsible

Most 16 year olds are starting to break in to the world, they have grown up a bit and learned some responisbility

Most 17 year olds are young adults, fully responsible for thier own actions and most capable on thier own

There is a big differenence.

I don't care if teenagers have sex or what have you but I am disgusted by a 17 year old almost man and a 15 year old girl. I bet there were plenty of women his age at that same party willing to hook up.

For one, it's "maturity". If you're going to repeat a word over and over and make it the basis of your argument, please spell it correctly.

Anyway, you're still making generalizations. There are men and women 50 years old who are highly irresponsible. There are 12 year olds who are more responsible than some thirty-somethings. When you're a teenager, two years really means NOTHING. I was engaged at the age of 17, to a 19-year-old. Guess what -- five years later, we're still together, I'm not pregnant, and we're both clean : no drugs, no STDs, nothing. Not all teenagers are the morons you see in the media.

Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level.
Spare that. I was more mature as a teenager. I threw that out when I got to college. Maturity is overrated. Of course, I am mature in other ways, but, seriously, some days that shit is just totally overrated.

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Oh, my, fuck! This is insane! 10 years! For something a 17-year old and a 15-year old both consented to?! I am almost speechless.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

Well, duh!

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*
It's unbelievable...The Prosecutor still doesn't get it, though. It appears the kid is going to get out of jail, but the PA's office is still offering a deal that will allow him to get out, but remain a registered -- for the rest of his life -- sex offender. The family won't take that deal. I'd like to see someone in the PA's office fired over this, but that's not likely...

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine

3. He should have just fucking known better.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment. Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

"He should have just fucking known better" doesn't equal "ten years or more". What is this, Iran?

Why oh why didn't you keep them? lol (Yes,Fass, I had to crack a joke.)

There was a joke in that post?

"He should have just fucking known better" doesn't equal "ten years or more". What is this, Iran?
No, the difference is that the girl would have been stoned to death in Iran.

Oh please. I was hardly an innocent little angel at the age of 15. Few teens are.

Precisely! I would have sucked almost any cock I could get my grubby, moist little lips on.

There was a joke in that post?

And this is exactly what I should expect from Fass. I must be slipping.

No, the difference is that the girl would have been stoned to death in Iran.

Yes, it's a world of difference. My bad. America is thoroughgoingly head and shoulders above dirty ol' Iran.:rolleyes:

Yes, it's a world of difference. My bad. America is thoroughgoingly head and shoulders above dirty ol' Iran.:rolleyes:
Somehow, I don't sense a lot of commitment to that statement...

Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level.

I can repeat it all day. The difference in two years between teenagers is amazing.

You can repeat it all day... but try spelling it right sometime to?

Simple fact is, a person at that age IS accountable for their own actions, they can identify right and wrong... they arn't like 3 year old kids.

Fair enough it's not something I would have done at his age, but to me it isn't the end of the world if a chick who knew what she was doing, did what she did.

There should not have been any criminal proceedings in this case pure and simple. If he was 18 then it would be justified.

"He should have just fucking known better" doesn't equal "ten years or more". What is this, Iran?in Iran they wouldn't have videotaped it. who is he, R. Kelly?

Mods forbid I have my own views based off my own personal experiences with life.
Oh dear, I must be a horrible person because I disagree with what they did.
I must also be a puritan now because I didn't have sex with anyone who was 2 years younger than me when I was a teenager (But I had plenty of sex with people my age)

Not too mention I never supported him getting 10 years, just mentioned the fact that it was an offense to my personal sensibilities that he did things with a 15 year old girl.

I said
In his defense however the sentence is unfair..

Whomever made the video deserves 10 years or more though.

oh my god! i was actually mentally knocked back by this! he got a blow-job from a girl at a party and it RUINED HIS LIFE!! and it would only have been a misdemenaor to have shagged her?

america truly is the worst country in the world.

Mods forbid I have my own views based off my own personal experiences with life.
Oh dear, I must be a horrible person because I disagree with what they did.
I must also be a puritan now because I didn't have sex with anyone who was 2 years younger than me when I was a teenager (But I had plenty of sex with people my age)

Not too mention I never supported him getting 10 years, just mentioned the fact that it was an offense to my personal sensibilities that he did things with a 15 year old girl.

I said
i don't see anyone attacking you personally at all. the majority opinion is against you certainly, but you are getting defensive for nothing.

I know from personal experiance...

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine. If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things.


And to call ME a puritan? You obviously have no idea who you are talking too.

what does his sex have to do with it? everyone in the case agrees she initiated it anyway.

Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level. Matureaty level.

I can repeat it all day. The difference in two years between teenagers is amazing.

Most 13 year olds are usually still annoying runts

Most 14 year olds are slightly less annoying

Most 15 year olds aren't so aggravating but they are highly irresponsible

Most 16 year olds are starting to break in to the world, they have grown up a bit and learned some responisbility

Most 17 year olds are young adults, fully responsible for thier own actions and most capable on thier own

There is a big differenence.

I don't care if teenagers have sex or what have you but I am disgusted by a 17 year old almost man and a 15 year old girl. I bet there were plenty of women his age at that same party willing to hook up.

that was a sweeping generalization, and entirely unfair.

Mods forbid I have my own views based off my own personal experiences with life.
Oh dear, I must be a horrible person because I disagree with what they did.
I must also be a puritan now because I didn't have sex with anyone who was 2 years younger than me when I was a teenager (But I had plenty of sex with people my age)

Not too mention I never supported him getting 10 years, just mentioned the fact that it was an offense to my personal sensibilities that he did things with a 15 year old girl.

I said

I lost my virginity at 15 to a 19 year old. it was stupid, meaningless sex that I somewhat vaguely regret, but please let me tell you 15 year olds are entirely capable of initiating sex. no matter how sleazy he was and how taken advantage of I felt he did not (does not) deserve 10 years in jail for going along with sex I INITIATED. and the gender of the participants has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. the fact that you emphasize "girl" bothers me more than your insistence on age limits.

Precisely! I would have sucked almost any cock I could get my grubby, moist little lips on.
Has much changed since? :p

Mods forbid I have my own views based off my own personal experiences with life.
Oh dear, I must be a horrible person because I disagree with what they did.
I must also be a puritan now because I didn't have sex with anyone who was 2 years younger than me when I was a teenager (But I had plenty of sex with people my age)

Not too mention I never supported him getting 10 years, just mentioned the fact that it was an offense to my personal sensibilities that he did things with a 15 year old girl.

I saidthere is nothing wrong with a 15 year old giving a 17 year old a job. they didn't ask you for your personal sensibilities. it's their private business and not yours. how the f do people you have not even heared of before in your life offend your personal sensibilities? becasue they didn't let you participate in their sex?

Has much changed since? :p

Only my ability to get hold of those cocks. :)

Congratulations - The prosecution has succeeded in sending an 18 year old to a 10-year criminology course, the hard-knocks way. In this college he shall learn the ins and outs of the criminal world and of course everybody will expect him to be an ordinary 28 year old when he emerges a changed young man.

Congratulations indeed... even 1 year is too much...

The legal system is corrupt to the core. Change it!

Not too mention I never supported him getting 10 years, just mentioned the fact that it was an offense to my personal sensibilities that he did things with a 15 year old girl.

What the fuck does it matter that she was a girl? Would it have been different if they had been two males? Two females? He 15 and she 17? I'm just wondering what sort of hypocrisy you're willing to stoop to, to defend your feeble sensibilities and double standards of, oh, so mature "ickyness".

what does his sex have to do with it? everyone in the case agrees she initiated it anyway.

His gender has precisley dick to do with it. I merely forgot that here on NS you have to state everything litterally or some people misunderstand.

I'll redefine it for you.
If she would have been 17 [as well] fine.

That was a sweeping generalization, and entirely unfair.
So is life.

As for why it bothers me? Its always bothered me to see or hear about an adult doing things with kids, a high school senior is almost 18, I consider that close enough to an adult to count. My reasons are personal and deep seated and don't bare explaining beyond said reason.



If I'm getting defensive its because I am defending my personal views, I won't back down from them because they are what I beleive in. I'll continue to defend my views as long as people will argue against them. As I said, this view is personal and very important to me.

What the fuck does it matter that she was a girl? Would it have been different if they had been two males? Two females? He 15 and she 17? I'm just wondering what sort of hypocrisy you're willing to stoop to, to defend your feeble sensibilities and double standards of, oh, so mature "ickyness".

Read the previous post and quit trying to insult me.

What the fuck does it matter that she was a girl? Would it have been different if they had been two males? Two females? He 15 and she 17? I'm just wondering what sort of hypocrisy you're willing to stoop to, to defend your feeble sensibilities and double standards of, oh, so mature "ickyness".
Oh gender matters. After all... gay sex is teh ebil; anything other than missionary is a sin, pre-marital sex will give you every std known to man and masturbating will make your dick fall off. ;)

Read the previous post

I read it and you answer none of my questions. And I've still not seen you respond to my question on whether 15-year-olds in the USA are somehow more indigent than 15-year-olds in Sweden.

quit trying to insult me.

You quit trying to insult our intelligence with your "appeal to emotion" nonsense.

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine. If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things.

Why apply an arbitrary standard to millions when you only have one documented case of accuracy?

The law is not about arbitration or what 'should' be; it's about protecting those who are actually harmed.

I read it and you answer none of my questions. And I've still not seen you respond to my question on whether 15-year-olds in the USA are somehow more indigent than 15-year-olds in Sweden.



You quit trying to insult our intelligence with your "appeal to emotion" nonsense.


To me the age DIFFERENCE is what matters, for the previous stated reasons, why should I bother answering unimportant questions about how mature I think 15 year olds in America are but if you want my honest answer North America is the least mature continent, let alone the United States is the least mature country.

And explaining myself is no appeal to emotion.

To me the age DIFFERENCE is what matters,

And that's completely nonsensical since the age difference is only 2 years. No, your claims to "ickyness" are not relevant to that.

for the previous stated reasons, why should I bother answering unimportant questions about how mature I think 15 year olds in America are but if you want my honest answer North America is the least mature continent, let alone the United States is the least mature country.

Ah, so not only USA teens, but all people in the USA are more indigent and fragile?

And explaining myself is no appeal to emotion.

"Its always bothered me to see or hear about an adult doing things with kids, a high school senior is almost 18, I consider that close enough to an adult to count. My reasons are personal and deep seated and don't bare explaining beyond said reason."

Bullshit, honey.

Why apply an arbitrary standard to millions when you only have one documented case of accuracy?

The law is not about arbitration or what 'should' be; it's about protecting those who are actually harmed.

And regardless of how unfair it is to people who don't harm anyone the people who make those laws are not going to make an exception.

You can repeat it all day... but try spelling it right sometime to?

Simple fact is, a person at that age IS accountable for their own actions, they can identify right and wrong... they arn't like 3 year old kids.

Fair enough it's not something I would have done at his age, but to me it isn't the end of the world if a chick who knew what she was doing, did what she did.

There should not have been any criminal proceedings in this case pure and simple. If he was 18 then it would be justified.

I was with you until you got to that last part. What precisely is the big difference between a person who is 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old and a person 1 second later?

And that's completely nonsensical since the age difference is only 2 years. No, your claims to "ickyness" are not relevant to that.



Ah, so not only USA teens, but all people in the USA are more indigent and fragile?



"Its always bothered me to see or hear about an adult doing things with kids, a high school senior is almost 18, I consider that close enough to an adult to count. My reasons are personal and deep seated and don't bare explaining beyond said reason."

Bullshit, honey.

Bullshit? Get me on an IM and I'll gladly explain to you how and why I am so against people who should be a great bit more mature using people for sexual things. Maybe you'll understand then, and maybe you'll stop being so rude because I mentioned that I didn't agree with what they did. Beleive me it is VERY emotional.

Bullshit? Get me on an IM and I'll gladly explain to you how and why I am so against people who should be a great bit more mature using people for sexual things. Maybe you'll understand then, and maybe you'll stop being so rude because I mentioned that I didn't agree with what they did. Beleive me it is VERY emotional.

As I said, "appeal to emotion" nonsense.

Bullshit? Get me on an IM and I'll gladly explain to you how and why I am so against people who should be a great bit more mature using people for sexual things.

How does that apply in this situation? They were in the same peer group and were likely about the same level of maturity. He didn't "use her for sexual things." She initiated the encounter (after she had similarly initiated an encounter with another party-goer.) It isn't as if he coerced her into doing it and we don't have any evidence that they were very different in maturity or experience levels.

Putting this in the same boat as situations in which a young person is coerced by a much older person into providing sexual gratification is ludicrous.

Of course, you'll probably just shout lies and actually make me angry.

As I said, "appeal to emotion" nonsense.

My reason it bothers me is emotional, I'm not at all appealing to your emotions. If you have at least a milde sense of decency you would probably see what I am so bothered if I explained. I won't do it here though.

How does that apply in this situation? They were in the same peer group and were likely about the same level of maturity. He didn't "use her for sexual things." She initiated the encounter (after she had similarly initiated an encounter with another party-goer.) It isn't as if he coerced her into doing it and we don't have any evidence that they were very different in maturity or experience levels.

Putting this in the same boat as situations in which a young person is coerced by a much older person into providing sexual gratification is ludicrous.

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.

My reason it bothers me is emotional, I'm not at all appealing to your emotions. If you have at least a milde sense of decency you would probably see what I am so bothered if I explained. I won't do it here though.

Oh, poppycock. You want me on IM to tell me something oh, so horrible happened to you, so I can pity you and you then think that pity will somehow make your argument stronger. Well, sweety, it won't for two reasons: 1. I don't fall for such appeal to emotion; 2. I probably won't pity you as much as you think, because you're not the only one to have bad things happen to them, so cry me a river.

And regardless of how unfair it is to people who don't harm anyone the people who make those laws are not going to make an exception.well, it depends on whether they remember what the intent of the law was. it wasn't made to keep youngsters from having fun.

Spare that. I was more mature as a teenager. I threw that out when I got to college. Maturity is overrated. Of course, I am mature in other ways, but, seriously, some days that shit is just totally overrated.

Quoted for best, truest, goddamn truth ever uttered on NSG.

I could've abbreviated it, sure, but I didn't want to have to explain what QFBTGTEUONSG.

It sounds like some freakish new version of GLBT, for one thing.

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.

So you would dictate to this girl that she was used? Who do you think you are?

The D.A. offered Wilson — a football standout who was being recruited by some of nation’s top colleges, including Columbia and Brown — a plea deal: five years in prison and register as a sex offender.
Gosh, why wouldn't he want that after a consensual blowjob? Because, you know, when people flip out over a sex offender moving into the neighborhood-you know, when he has to go and tell everyone, the stop and make sure it wasn't just consensual high school sex with a chick that was only two years younger than him. She's even in 'the formula' range. (half your age plus 7).

Utterly fucking ridiculous.

Who the hell reported this 'crime'?

He's being punished because he went to trial rather than accept a label that would unjustly follow him for the rest of his life. He had a chance to go to college, full ride-but because of some puritan nonsense that makes blowjobs worse than sex itself his life and prospects are ruined. I find this very hard to defend. The argument that the maturity level between the two is so wide as to justify this is thin at best. Less that 24 months is too little to make such wide determinations of maturity level.

I said

*Quotes go here*



Way to snip out choice parts of your quotes.


In his defense however the sentence is unfair... should only get a year or two. But I agree he does deserve some kind of punishment.

There we go...

His gender has precisley dick to do with it.

We didn't say his gender had anything to do with it. We said HER gender had something to do with it. You'll notice in your previous post you did not say "15 year old girl" you said "15 year old girl." With italics. I know it sounds like an absurd nitpick, but I doubt you go about randomly italicizing things that you think are of no relevance.

Bullshit? Get me on an IM and I'll gladly explain to you how and why I am so against people who should be a great bit more mature using people for sexual things. Maybe you'll understand then, and maybe you'll stop being so rude because I mentioned that I didn't agree with what they did. Beleive me it is VERY emotional.

Because you had a bad experience this kid doesn't deserve a future?

"Its always bothered me to see or hear about an adult doing things with kids, a high school senior is almost 18, I consider that close enough to an adult to count. My reasons are personal and deep seated and don't bare explaining beyond said reason."

Bullshit, honey.

Fass: Wonderful to have on your side, bad to have against your side, but always, ALWAYS fun to watch. Unless he's going after you personally, of course.

That's just ridiculous. I remember when I was in high school, half the girls I knew were dating boys in college and no one cared. These girls would get the college boyfriends by getting into college parties because they wanted a boyfriend with a car and his own place and no parents to get in the way of them discovering their sexuality with someone who wouldn't blow it in one shot (in theory, anyway ;o) ). None of them went to jail for it and, honestly, unless you knew the age difference, when you saw them together you would have no idea they weren't remotely the same age. Poor bastard.

Of course, you'll probably just shout lies and actually make me angry.

So...your personal views are the only truth? And when people challenge those views, you respond with strong negative emotions? How very narcissistic.

No, literally, that sentence filled, like, half the behaviors of a narcissist instantly.

There are, however, many other behaviors that can stem from narcissistic concerns, such as immersion in one’s own affairs to the exclusion of others, an inability to empathize with others’ experience, interpersonal rigidity, an insistence that one’s opinions and values are “right,” and a tendency to be easily offended and take things personally.

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.

Even if there is zero respect, it doesn't change if something is consensual.

And if you want to go into who was using who, I'd say the girl was the one doing the using. So, why should the boy have been punished?

Not to be picky, but they didn't say how old each party truly was at the time.

For all we know, the boy could have just turned 17 recently and the girl could have been close to her 16th birthday, which would reduce the age gap significantly and also your precious "maturity level."

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.
Hey, guess what - I've had sex with someone when they were only just 16 and I'm a whole 17 - but you do you know what?

There certainly was respect between us, and we both knew what we were doing. I don't see how consenting young adults can't have some degree of respect towards it, to be honest.

Were it a month before, and she was 15, how would that have magically been any different?

So you would dictate to this girl that she was used? Who do you think you are?

Opinions vary, why are you being so trollish? I spoke out and said I disagree with that they did, its my opinion, your's is different. I couldn't have given two shits that you have a different opinion but you have to for some unknown reason start attacking me because I have an opinion that opposes your's. I don't agree with what they did for a reason that to you seems silly and to me makes absolute perfect sense on a level that I understand. I don't care if its right or wrong. Maybe your just attacking mebecause you had a bad day and I was the first person to make an opposing view point. Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.

I post, you respond with some good arguments.

I repost in response, you repost and start calling me names, then accuse me of tryin to appeal to emotions because my reasons I formed my opinion are worthless or some crap like that.

Have you ever once tried to look at the world from someone elses point of view.

Go back in time to when you are young and still innocent... then imagine haveing someone who is a freind of the family and is trusted by yourself and those you know molest you and your younger sibling. Imagining this happening for about 2 years. The imagine it stopping only to happen to your sister, imagine nobody listening, imagine it, go right on ahead. Now imagine that starts happening to your newborn half sister... that was going on for the first 9 years of my life, fortunatly there was a car accident before he could get to my youngest brother too.

When I see someone in a position where they are supposed to be more mature one and they take advantage of a situation I see that happening to me all over again, its unreasonable sure but I still do; sometimes I still feel insecure and unsafe. I read about this and the first thing that came to my mind was that son of a bitch and I got angry. I vented frustration.

To you it might not make sense, to me it doesn't either but thats the how and why of it. Go ahead, say whatever you want Fass but just be careful about how you say it. My words are all about my perception and understanding of things, like everyone's opinion is, there is no right or wrong opinion on anything but for some strange reason some people get angry about them.

Are you happy now?

Wow...that sucks...

*audience moans*

*Fassigen shoots me between the eyes*

I hope you're proud of yourself...http://forums.aliensoup.com/images/smilies/shakehead.gif

I hope you're proud of yourself...http://forums.aliensoup.com/images/smilies/shakehead.gif

...I'm not...

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.

You'd make for a lousy date, SaintB.

Just sayin'.

Opinions vary

Not by much. So far, you are the ONLY person on this thread I can find that is in favor of ANY punishment.

why are you being so trollish? I spoke out and said I disagree with that they did, its my opinion, your's is different. I couldn't have given two shits that you have a different opinion but you have to for some unknown reason start attacking me because I have an opinion that opposes your's.

Okay, a minute ago you were calling everyone who disagreed with you liars. You aren't really in a position to call anyone trollish or accuse anyone of attack you.


Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.

Do you REALLY think Fass gives a fuck whether you hate him or not?


I repost in response, you repost and start calling me names, then accuse me of tryin to appeal to emotions because my reasons I formed my opinion are worthless or some crap like that.


You take things REALLY personally, don't you? Fass is attacking your arguments 90% of the time, not you.


Have you ever once tried to look at the world from someone elses point of view.


1. We already said that we are immune to emotional appeals.
2. Not sending a guy to jail for having sex with someone within 2 years of you is NOT part of some crazy conspiracy to traumatize you.
3. You appear to be associating this with what happened to you, and I don't think it could be more different.

Dem, step out of this. It doesn't matter who initiated what, its still using someone when there is no real respect between you and them.

Then she was probably using him as well. Should she be in jail for 10 years?


We didn't say his gender had anything to do with it. We said HER gender had something to do with it. You'll notice in your previous post you did not say "15 year old girl" you said "15 year old girl." With italics. I know it sounds like an absurd nitpick, but I doubt you go about randomly italicizing things that you think are of no relevance.

Not to mention the fact that he said it would be ok if the boy were younger than the girl, but not if the girl is younger than the boy. What does that tell us?

Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.

This is me giving a shit. Watch out, it's quite sticky.

Are you happy now?

Yes, because you've admitted to what has thus far been quite apparent: your "arguments" are nothing but appeals to emotion. Sucks what happened to you, but it gives your argumentation no more merit.

Opinions vary, why are you being so trollish? I spoke out and said I disagree with that they did, its my opinion, your's is different. I couldn't have given two shits that you have a different opinion but you have to for some unknown reason start attacking me because I have an opinion that opposes your's. I don't agree with what they did for a reason that to you seems silly and to me makes absolute perfect sense on a level that I understand. I don't care if its right or wrong. Maybe your just attacking mebecause you had a bad day and I was the first person to make an opposing view point. Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.

I post, you respond with some good arguments.

I repost in response, you repost and start calling me names, then accuse me of tryin to appeal to emotions because my reasons I formed my opinion are worthless or some crap like that.

Have you ever once tried to look at the world from someone elses point of view.

Go back in time to when you are young and still innocent... then imagine haveing someone who is a freind of the family and is trusted by yourself and those you know molest you and your younger sibling. Imagining this happening for about 2 years. The imagine it stopping only to happen to your sister, imagine nobody listening, imagine it, go right on ahead. Now imagine that starts happening to your newborn half sister... that was going on for the first 9 years of my life, fortunatly there was a car accident before he could get to my youngest brother too.

When I see someone in a position where they are supposed to be more mature one and they take advantage of a situation I see that happening to me all over again, its unreasonable sure but I still do; sometimes I still feel insecure and unsafe. I read about this and the first thing that came to my mind was that son of a bitch and I got angry. I vented frustration.

To you it might not make sense, to me it doesn't either but thats the how and why of it. Go ahead, say whatever you want Fass but just be careful about how you say it. My words are all about my perception and understanding of things, like everyone's opinion is, there is no right or wrong opinion on anything but for some strange reason some people get angry about them.

Are you happy now?

So, how again does *any* of this parallel a 15 year old girl giving two 17 year old boys at a party a blow job, out of her own volition?

So, how again does *any* of this parallel a 15 year old girl giving two 17 year old boys at a party a blow job, out of her own volition?

Did you miss my post on narcissism? One of the symptoms are taking everything personally.

It has basically nothing to do with it, to answer your question.

Go back in time to when you are young and still innocent... then imagine haveing someone who is a freind of the family and is trusted by yourself and those you know molest you and your younger sibling. Imagining this happening for about 2 years. The imagine it stopping only to happen to your sister, imagine nobody listening, imagine it, go right on ahead. Now imagine that starts happening to your newborn half sister... that was going on for the first 9 years of my life, fortunatly there was a car accident before he could get to my youngest brother too.
Not to nitpick, but this is NOT the same as two teenagers screwing around at a party. Seriously, that does suck and I feel sorry for you, but, you're comparing apples and screw drivers!

Like I said earlier, we don't know their TRUE ages at the time of the sex act in question. They boy could barely have been 17 and the girl could have been close to turning 16, which would have left a small maturity level gap, as well as an age gap.

Further, boys tend to have a lower general level of maturity than girls. So, the boy's level of maturity may have indeed been on level with that of the girl.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/

Oh, my, fuck! This is insane! 10 years! For something a 17-year old and a 15-year old both consented to?! I am almost speechless.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

Well, duh!

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*

The classic example of why I say "Fuck with the age of consent."

Opinions vary, why are you being so trollish? I spoke out and said I disagree with that they did, its my opinion, your's is different. I couldn't have given two shits that you have a different opinion but you have to for some unknown reason start attacking me because I have an opinion that opposes your's. I don't agree with what they did for a reason that to you seems silly and to me makes absolute perfect sense on a level that I understand. I don't care if its right or wrong. Maybe your just attacking mebecause you had a bad day and I was the first person to make an opposing view point. Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.

I post, you respond with some good arguments.

I repost in response, you repost and start calling me names, then accuse me of tryin to appeal to emotions because my reasons I formed my opinion are worthless or some crap like that.

Have you ever once tried to look at the world from someone elses point of view.

Go back in time to when you are young and still innocent... then imagine haveing someone who is a freind of the family and is trusted by yourself and those you know molest you and your younger sibling. Imagining this happening for about 2 years. The imagine it stopping only to happen to your sister, imagine nobody listening, imagine it, go right on ahead. Now imagine that starts happening to your newborn half sister... that was going on for the first 9 years of my life, fortunatly there was a car accident before he could get to my youngest brother too.

When I see someone in a position where they are supposed to be more mature one and they take advantage of a situation I see that happening to me all over again, its unreasonable sure but I still do; sometimes I still feel insecure and unsafe. I read about this and the first thing that came to my mind was that son of a bitch and I got angry. I vented frustration.

To you it might not make sense, to me it doesn't either but thats the how and why of it. Go ahead, say whatever you want Fass but just be careful about how you say it. My words are all about my perception and understanding of things, like everyone's opinion is, there is no right or wrong opinion on anything but for some strange reason some people get angry about them.

Are you happy now?

nevertheless, who are you to determine who may have consensual sex and who may not? why is this any of your business?

Opinions vary, why are you being so trollish? I spoke out and said I disagree with that they did, its my opinion, your's is different. I couldn't have given two shits that you have a different opinion but you have to for some unknown reason start attacking me because I have an opinion that opposes your's. I don't agree with what they did for a reason that to you seems silly and to me makes absolute perfect sense on a level that I understand. I don't care if its right or wrong. Maybe your just attacking me because you had a bad day and I was the first person to make an opposing view point.
If you make an opinion public you invite discussion.
Whatever your reason is knock it off before I end up despising you.
You don't know Fass very well...

I post, you respond with some good arguments.

I repost in response, you repost and start calling me names, then accuse me of tryin to appeal to emotions because my reasons I formed my opinion are worthless or some crap like that.

Have you ever once tried to look at the world from someone elses point of view.

Go back in time to when you are young and still innocent... then imagine haveing someone who is a freind of the family and is trusted by yourself and those you know molest you and your younger sibling. Imagining this happening for about 2 years. The imagine it stopping only to happen to your sister, imagine nobody listening, imagine it, go right on ahead. Now imagine that starts happening to your newborn half sister... that was going on for the first 9 years of my life, fortunatly there was a car accident before he could get to my youngest brother too.
Here's the thing-anecdotal evidence is not enough to condemn someone else in a different situation. What you just described is what child protection laws are for, what happened to this kid is not. The reason that it's an appeal to emotion is because we're supposed to justify what happened to someone else because you personally had a fucked up experience.

Not to diminish what happened to you, but it doesn't matter. You can't determine a policy or a punishment based on an unrelated anecdotal event. The law has to be the general good-and in this case Fass has made the point. With a lower age of consent his country has fewer of the things that these laws are aimed at preventing-teen pregnancies, STDs and the like. Keep in mind this is a law about teenagers having sex with teenagers, not adults having sex with teenagers. So in a statistical sense, the law is no good. Especially when taken into account that the punishment is much more severe for oral sex than actual intercourse.

These are the things that matter when determining the justice in the case. If you had something fucked up happen to you, then I'm sorry. That really is unfortunate. But it in no way justifies crippling this dudes future.

When I see someone in a position where they are supposed to be more mature one and they take advantage of a situation I see that happening to me all over again, its unreasonable sure but I still do; sometimes I still feel insecure and unsafe. I read about this and the first thing that came to my mind was that son of a bitch and I got angry. I vented frustration.
You over-state the authority a 17 year old has on a 15 year old. This isn't a teacher and a student, this is a jock and a party.

To you it might not make sense, to me it doesn't either but thats the how and why of it. Go ahead, say whatever you want Fass but just be careful about how you say it. My words are all about my perception and understanding of things, like everyone's opinion is, there is no right or wrong opinion on anything but for some strange reason some people get angry about them.

Are you happy now?
There are right and wrong in opinions, and like I said earlier, if you put your opinion out there you are opening it up for discussion.

Hmm, sounds Cruel and Unusual to me.

Cruel? Maybe. But from what I've heard, not unusual. ;)

Cruel? Maybe. But from what I've heard, not unusual. ;)

Zing! (http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Music/RimShot.wav)

I don't think that it's right to complain that this is against the law in the first place; an age of consent is always going to mean an arbitrary line, with seemingly very similar people falling on different sides. But if you have a law, you need to enforce it.

How it's been enforced here, though, is another matter. 10 years is quite simply staggeringly and absurdly disproportionate. It's also deeply unjust that such a sentence still stands when what he is being punished for isn't actually a crime any more.

Dem:
As I see it 14 year olds and 15 year olds are similar in maturity levels. 2 years can make a hell of a difference with teenagers I was one not too long ago. The using thing disgusts me both ways but I never said that deserves punishment.

Dobbsworld
I'm not going to go out on a date with anyone I don't respect. Opinions vary.

Zarakon:
I'm in favor of a punishment because he violated a law that was in place... one that he more than likely knew about; when I had sex ed classes it was one of the very first things we went over was the age of consent busness. I never said 10 years was justified however and I never said I agreed with the law. I stated he broke a law and deserves punishment if for no other reason than lack of common sense. I would really like you to point out the part where I said that everyone is a liar, and I take being called a hypocrite personally, I always take name calling personally in an argument, name calling does not belong in them.

Fass:
Good, its mutual, I'll just ignore you.

Whereyouthinkyougoing:
I didn't say anywhere that my emotional reaction made any sense to me at all. I view the difference from 15 to 17 as a much bigger gap than 14-15 or even 15-16. I have my own opinions, they are based on my own perceptions and yadda yadda from earlier, I also formed it based on my knowledge, since the damn page won't load for me my knowledge is a little less than everyone elses so I guess I have a bit of a handicap there.

Everyone else... I'm done in here, I have a life to get on with.

Fass: Good, its mutual, I'll just ignore you.

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/sad021.gif

Boy, I do get a lot of usage out of that little smiley, huh?

Whereyouthinkyougoing: I didn't say anywhere that my emotional reaction made any sense to me at all. I view the difference from 15 to 17 as a much bigger gap than 14-15 or even 15-16. I have my own opinions, they are based on my own perceptions and yadda yadda from earlier,

Your opinions are worth jack. The only things I give a shit about is the arguments you have to sustain your opinions, and so far all you've given is a sob story and that, though sad as it may be (I am assuming it to be true, even though I have no reason to - call me generous that way), just doesn't cut it.

I would really like you to point out the part where I said that everyone is a liar

Ahem.

Drumroll, please.


Dadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadada


Of course, you'll probably just shout lies and actually make me angry.


Thank you very much, I'm here 'til Sunday!

Thank you very much, I'm here 'til Sunday!
Damn... we can't get rid of you can we? :) j/k

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Everyone else... I'm done in here, I have a life to get on with.but don't get in conflict with any laws, however dumb they may be. :)

By the way, when I first read the title of this thread, I thought it said, "10 years OF consenual fellatio".

That would have been a much more upbeat story. :)

I guess that all depends on how prison is working out, huh?

By the way, when I first read the title of this thread, I thought it said, "10 years OF consenual fellatio".

That would have been a much more upbeat story. :)

Dem:
As I see it .......I have a life to get on with.

He was 17. He was at a party. She was 15. She was at a party. The concept 'underage sex' almost certainly never dawned on him, because shes within an age band that would strike him as attractive and "fair game". More importantly, she thought the exact same. As has been pointed out earlier, young girls of that age are far "mature" than their male counterparts.

I suggest that personal trauma is clouding your judgement.

..the 15-year old instigated this... This stupid laws potentially create a new line of work for 15/16 years olds..

All they (16 years olds) need to do is.. say "I am 18.. and I find you really... really attractive".. (to someone >18).. then after the act.. he/she show his ID.. and asks for $1000.

once a week.

I'm not really one who promotes underage sex, but this punishment is extremely harsh. If I were the Judge, I would give them a reprimand, and that's it.

This stupid laws potentially create a new line of work for 15/16 years olds..

All they (16 years olds) need to do is.. say "I am 18.. and I find you really... really attractive".. (to someone >18).. then after the act.. he/she show his ID.. and asks for $1000.

once a week.


Thus my proposed law about the under 18s and make up....

Thus my proposed law about the under 18s and make up....with your proposed law they only need to instigate sex with a 19 years old. That would reduce their potential market to 99% (I asume)
but let me read you post.. whats the post # ?

I'm not really one who promotes underage sex, but this punishment is extremely harsh. If I were the Judge, I would give them a reprimand, and that's it.
That's fair. At least no one's life would be ruined...

I think the Judge did follow the letter of the Law..
The Judge did the right thing.

thumbs up to the Judge.

I know you are wondering.. so NO, this is not sarcasm.

I know you are wondering..

About anything you write? Not really, no.

How ridiculous. Laws are not absolutes. Setting arbitrary age limits for teenagers is stupid and meaningless. All judges should be given lessons in common sense.

From what I understand, the problem with this was the specific act. If he had actually had penis-vagina sex with her, such laws would have taken their ages into account and he would not have been charged. He was charged, however, because it was oral sex, which wasn't included in the law. Or something like that.

It's bullshit anyways, and likely has more to do with his ethnic background than anything else.

Hmm, in more common-sensical judiciary system, the law would still have applied, assuming that the legislative just forgot to include oral sex in the law... duh.

I think the Judge did follow the letter of the Law..
The Judge did the right thing.

thumbs up to the Judge.

I know you are wondering.. so NO, this is not sarcasm.

Yay for intolerance.

This case I've heard a lot about - he's been in jail for over 27 months now - and it's a prime example as to why I'm against mandatory minimums when it comes to punishments.

Judges should have some discretion if the prosecution gets too zealous.

Dem:
As I see it 14 year olds and 15 year olds are similar in maturity levels. 2 years can make a hell of a difference with teenagers I was one not too long ago. The using thing disgusts me both ways but I never said that deserves punishment.
Enough of this maturity levels crap, SB.

Teenagers grow at vastly different rates in terms of maturity, based on a whole fucking range of hormonal and societal experiences.

I know 19 year olds who act like childish fools, I also know 14 year olds who are extremely mature, both mentally and physically.

Between people aged 14 and 15, it might be that one is essentially a child and another an adult. Simply because they're similar in terms of age doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, and frankly, you're flogging a dead horse with this particular 'argument'.
Everyone else... I'm done in here, I have a life to get on with.
Ah, right. Subtle code for "OH NOES! NOBODY IS AGREEING WITH ME! ARGH! RUN!"

Nice one.

I think the Judge did follow the letter of the Law..
The Judge did the right thing.

thumbs up to the Judge.

I know you are wondering.. so NO, this is not sarcasm.another black dude behind bars? that's all you're after, right?

another black dude behind bars? that's all you're after, right?

When you've been here a bit longer, you'll learn that OcceanDrive is considerably more complex than that.

This stupid laws potentially create a new line of work for 15/16 years olds..

All they (16 years olds) need to do is.. say "I am 18.. and I find you really... really attractive".. (to someone >18).. then after the act.. he/she show his ID.. and asks for $1000.

once a week.

And I assume this is the part where said person is charged with fraud and extortion?

Well, all you need is ONE other person there when you ask "Are you above the age of consent" and it counts as a verbal contract.

For those of you interested, I found a more indepth article on this...

Clicky! (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson)

It provides more background.

For those of you interested, I found a more indepth article on this...

Clicky! (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson)

It provides more background.

May I ask why the link is for sports.espn.go.com?

Maybe we'd have a lower crime rate if police would, oh, I don't know, go after actual criminals, instead of going after people who commit victimless "crimes," like teenagers who engage in consensual oral sex.

My words are all about my perception and understanding of things, like everyone's opinion is, there is no right or wrong opinion on anything but for some strange reason some people get angry about them.
Except when you assert that something is legally wrong you must offer argument as to why - and arguments, unlike opinions, are not all equally valid.

That's fair. At least no one's life would be ruined...

This case should go to the supreme court, just so I can read the dissent.

Because I think it would be hilarious to read Antonin Scalia or someone with the dissent writing "These goddamn kids, with their cocksucking and video games. I blame that rap-hop music, personally. That, and liberals."

May I ask why the link is for sports.espn.go.com?

I know, that perplexed me too, but it's a good article. Plus, from what I read, he was an athlete with many choice schools offering him a good future...

Fucking sex-haters. :headbang:

A BJ is not sex. Didn't you learn anything from Bill Clinton?

Is this not obvious to everyone?

1. The accused man is black.

2. The "offense" took place in Georgia.

3. The Judge is an old white man.

Just put 2 and 2 together, 4 should pop up.

While it's clear that the guy broke the law, 10 years does seem excessive. He should've taken the plea like his friends. It's a shame.

While it's clear that the guy broke the law, 10 years does seem excessive. He should've taken the plea like his friends. It's a shame.

Except that whole being labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life for having a consensual blow job in high school with a chick close to his age, yeah that would have been great...

Except that whole being labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life for having a consensual blow job in high school with a chick close to his age, yeah that would have been great...

I don't think his friends have to register. They were minors and all, and I thought their plea was accepted without that clause. The story's been posted many times, though, and I could be mistaken. It seems like there should be some discussion of the laws in high school classrooms. Might save some people some trouble.

I don't think his friends have to register. They were minors and all, and I thought their plea was accepted without that clause. The story's been posted many times, though, and I could be mistaken. It seems like there should be some discussion of the laws in high school classrooms. Might save some people some trouble.

Or we could get some sane laws on sex. Might save some people some trouble.

Or we could get some sane laws on sex. Might save some people some trouble.

I really don't think we're too far off-base when it comes to age of consent and age difference laws. This particular case turned out to be a loophole issue, but the loophole's been closed. ;) All in all, we need stronger anti-pedophile laws, not weaker ones.

I really don't think we're too far off-base when it comes to age of consent and age difference laws. This particular case turned out to be a loophole issue, but the loophole's been closed. ;) All in all, we need stronger anti-pedophile laws, not weaker ones.

Once again, we need SANE anti-child molester laws. HUGE difference between Strong/Weak and sane.

Once again, we need SANE anti-child molester laws. HUGE difference between Strong/Weak and sane.

No disagreement here. I happen to think we're on the right path with Jessica's Law for example. The local government already admitted its error giving the kid in this case 10 years. It's just a matter of appeals now, apparently.

No disagreement here. I happen to think we're on the right path with Jessica's Law for example. The local government already admitted its error giving the kid in this case 10 years. It's just a matter of appeals now, apparently.

Oh no we're not. Jessica's law would've, for example, required a four year old whose head touched his teacher's breasts while he was hugging her to register as a sex offender. Jessica's Law is total bullshit.

The four year old thing actually happened, by the way. He has a charge of "Inappropriate contact" on his school record for the rest of his life.

Oh no we're not. Jessica's law would've, for example, required a four year old whose head touched his teacher's breasts while he was hugging her to register as a sex offender. Jessica's Law is total bullshit.

The four year old thing actually happened, by the way. He has a charge of "Inappropriate contact" on his school record for the rest of his life.

That doesn't really sound plausible. In any case, employers and colleges don't look at your school conduct records. As an adult, a kid who had a groping habit would have a fresh start. Jessica's Law is a great start, in my opinion, if we're going to get serious about stopping sexual abuse. I'm pretty sure Jessica's Law is aimed at child predators, not children, in any event.

That doesn't really sound plausible.

There was a thread on it a while back. I'd find it, but Jolt's search function is really annoying. "The forum requires you to wait 180 seconds between searches..." "Not enough search terms..."

I'm pretty sure Jessica's Law is aimed at child predators, not children, in any event.

Yes, but it's far too broad.

There was a thread on it a while back. I'd find it, but Jolt's search function is really annoying. "The forum requires you to wait 180 seconds between searches..." "Not enough search terms..."


I believe something like that happened, no doubt. I just don't think it would fall under Jessica's Law, since it is aimed specifically at crimes committed by adults against children under 12 years old. A 4-year old groping a teacher just wouldn't fit, I don't think. It would be on his school records like you said, but wouldn't follow him into his adult life.

The punishment is a violation of the Seventh Amendment, but otherwise, I'm somewhat happy that Georgia weighted the law as it did. Most states define statutory rape as an adult having sex with a minor, which is kind of arbitrary and ridicolous when an 18 year-old has sex with a 17 year-old. I also think it's entirely possible for minors to pervert younger minors. For this reason, I think that the definition of that law, if not the perscribed sentence, is admirable.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/

Oh, my, fuck! This is insane! 10 years! For something a 17-year old and a 15-year old both consented to?! I am almost speechless.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

Well, duh!

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*Isn't this like 2-3 years old news?

In anycase, by the time the kid is out this bit of news is almost good for consentual sex. :p

And I assume this is the part where said person is charged with fraud and extortion?
its your word against her / or his.
In this cases the "justice" system -from the first cop called in to the Jury- are likely to side with the "child" ..they are likely to side with the "victim".
My recommendation to you is: pay up.

Well, all you need is ONE other person there when you ask "Are you above the age of consent" and it counts as a verbal contract.If you you want to make $1000/day you have to be smart enough to do it sans witnesses.. or where the witness is your accomplice.

This has already been on Movie.. "Simpatico" me thinks.

I think the Judge did follow the letter of the Law..
The Judge did the right thing.

thumbs up to the Judge.
Yay for intolerance.I think these Laws are stupid.. that makes me intolerant?

If (in your opinion) that makes me intolerant.. then so be it.

I think the Judge did follow the letter of the Law..
The Judge did the right thing.

thumbs up to the Judge.another black dude behind bars? that's all you're after, right?It looks to me like you are calling me a racist.. a nigga-hater.
aren't you?

anyhow.. I think these Laws are stupid.. that makes me racist?.. that makes me Anti-semite? (I know this has nothing to do with semites.. I am just poking some fun @ IDF)
If (in your opinion) that makes me racist.. anti-Semite/Nazi/Pinko/Commie/whatever.. then so be it.

I'm pretty sure Jessica's Law is aimed at child predators, not children, in any event.

I'm pretty sure missiles are aimed at military targets, not hospitals. That doesn't mean they don't get hit.

I don't think his friends have to register. They were minors and all, and I thought their plea was accepted without that clause. The story's been posted many times, though, and I could be mistaken. It seems like there should be some discussion of the laws in high school classrooms. Might save some people some trouble.
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a plea deal: five years in prison and register as a sex offender. He turned it down.

The other students at the party took that deal and some of them are out of prison by now. Because Wilson thought he would be acquitted and did not want to be branded a child molester, he went to trial
...
He says he offered Wilson the same five-year plea deal after the jury convicted him but before he was sentenced and Wilson again turned it down. Wilson says he turned it down because the jury acquitted him of the rape charge and only convicted him of the aggravated child molestation. Why take the same five-year deal after being acquitted of rape?

I'm suprised they didn't give him ten years for "Sodomy" laws. :rolleyes:


Just FYI Fass, we had a thread on this a few months ago. Though I admit it may merit further discussion.
Yeah wasn't it when they put a 13 and 11 year old in prison for "Raping" each other? (PS they were boyfriend\Girlfriend)

I'm pretty sure missiles are aimed at military targets, not hospitals. That doesn't mean they don't get hit.

I don't think our laws act like high explosives in dense urban settings. :p They're not perfect, but a law saying "any adult who commits a lewd act against a child under the age of 12 (Jessica's Law) serves X number of years" isn't going to be directed against a 4-year old. :p That would be more like a missile hitting Jupiter.

I'm suprised they didn't give him ten years for "Sodomy" laws. :rolleyes:


Yeah wasn't it when they put a 13 and 11 year old in prison for "Raping" each other? (PS they were boyfriend\Girlfriend)

You think an 11-year-old can properly consent to being someone's boyfriend/girlfriend? I'm not too convinced of that, though it's been a long whilse since I've been eleven. ;)

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He'd still be out by now if he'd taken a second deal, *after* being convicted? Wow. Most people are never even offered that kind of compromise. He'd have been out by now.

He'd still be out by now if he'd taken a second deal, *after* being convicted? Wow. Most people are never even offered that kind of compromise. He'd have been out by now.

And a registered sex offender for getting a consensual blow job in high school. I wouldn't have taken it either.

And a registered sex offender for getting a consensual blow job in high school. I wouldn't have taken it either.

You wouldn't have taken it (reduced sentence), *after* being convicted? What does the extra 5 years do for you if you're forced to register either way? Your right to appeal is the same. Seems pointless.

You wouldn't have taken it (reduced sentence), *after* being convicted? What does the extra 5 years do for you if you're forced to register either way? Your right to appeal is the same. Seems pointless.

After the conviction he was aquitted of the rape and yet offered the same plea that the others had taken while still being charged. He had reason to believe that the sentence of 5 years was already excessive.

After the conviction he was aquitted of the rape and yet offered the same plea that the others had taken while still being charged. He had reason to believe that the sentence of 5 years was already excessive.

Still better to take half the time, and appeal it during those five years. He's been there for 27 months already and will have his appeal heard. No reason to put yourself through the wringer for an additional five *if* you lose those appeals. Still seems silly.

Still better to take half the time, and appeal it during those five years. He's been there for 27 months already and will have his appeal heard. No reason to put yourself through the wringer for an additional five *if* you lose those appeals. Still seems silly.

You're approaching this as if he was asked, "So, ten years or five?" That's not the case.

Oh, please, such puritan nonsense. As I mentioned, 15 is the age of consent in my country and I don't see anyone worse for it. Not to mention, of course, that the 15-year old instigated this... now that my speaking ability has returned, I shall deem this another example of puritan douchebaggery and thank my lucky stars that at least our puritans left for North America and didn't remain here.

Lucky bastard. I'm in North America >>

You wouldn't have taken it (reduced sentence), *after* being convicted? What does the extra 5 years do for you if you're forced to register either way? Your right to appeal is the same. Seems pointless.Would you (take the deal) plead guilty to rape, become a registered sex offender. (for getting a consensual blow job in high school)

Would you?

You're approaching this as if he was asked, "So, ten years or five?" That's not the case.

He had already been convicted. It was, take the deal or do the whole ten years. At least, that's how the article presents it. The State seems to have basically admitted to the loophole and offered compromise. No need to set yourself up as a martyr when you can be reasonable, I should think. Rejecting the plea deal *before* the trial made sense. Not so much after.

No need to set yourself up as a martyr when you can be reasonable, I should think. Rejecting the plea deal *before* the trial made sense. Not so much after.He did not feel he had comitted a crime.. He did not feel he should plead guilty.
And I agree with him..

Its I matter of principle.
I respect him for that.

This is just dumb. I think it's no business of the government to interefere with a person's sex life. And besides, neither of them were adults! So what if they had sex!

What I want to know is how the hell this got to court in the first place. Did she like call up the police station secretary and be like "Oh, Janice, I was sucking off this guy last night..." and the secretary, whose name is apparently Janice, said "Really? How old was he" and the girl says "17." and the secretary says "Mah god, we gots to get this to trial." and the girl says "You're right! And don't take the lord's name in vain!"

He did not feel he had comitted a crime.. He did not feel he should plead guilty.
And I agree with him..

Its I matter of principle.
I respect him for that.

No question I can see where he was coming from, before the trial. I don't think most states bar you from appeals following a plea deal, though, so taking the reduced sentence wouldn't have hurt him, aside from the (relatively) minor sting of wounded pride. Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth, I say. There have been successful appeals even decades after people have left prison, for example. No sense in spending the intervening years locked up.

Probably the parents.

How did THEY find out? Last time I checked, most people don't brag of their sexual exploits to their parents.

What I want to know is how the hell this got to court in the first place. Did she like call up the police station secretary and be like "Oh, Janice, I was sucking off this guy last night..." and the secretary, whose name is apparently Janice, said "Really? How old was he" and the girl says "17." and the secretary says "Mah god, we gots to get this to trial." and the girl says "You're right! And don't take the lord's name in vain!"more like:
"Oh, Janice, I was sucking off these guys at a party last night... at least one of them had to be 17.. or more"

What I want to know is how the hell this got to court in the first place. Did she like call up the police station secretary and be like "Oh, Janice, I was sucking off this guy last night..." and the secretary, whose name is apparently Janice, said "Really? How old was he" and the girl says "17." and the secretary says "Mah god, we gots to get this to trial." and the girl says "You're right! And don't take the lord's name in vain!"

Probably the parents.

And besides, neither of them were adults! So what if they had sex!

There are good reasons not to let minors simply do anything they like. You wouldn't want a 17-year old "dating" a 12-year-old, for example. ;)

How did THEY find out? Last time I checked, most people don't brag of their sexual exploits to their parents.most of the time its jealousy.. but I don't think its the case here.
because she was blowing multiple dicks.

He had already been convicted. It was, take the deal or do the whole ten years. At least, that's how the article presents it. The State seems to have basically admitted to the loophole and offered compromise. No need to set yourself up as a martyr when you can be reasonable, I should think. Rejecting the plea deal *before* the trial made sense. Not so much after.

He says he offered Wilson the same five-year plea deal after the jury convicted him but before he was sentenced and Wilson again turned it down.
Do you actually read these things or just hit 'reply'?

most of the time its jealousy.. but I don't think its the case here.
because she was blowing multiple dicks.

Wait...what? What the hell are you talking about? What does jealousy have to do with how the parents found out, and just giving oral sex to multiple people doesn't make that realization instantly pop into your parent's heads that you did so.

You wouldn't want a 17-year old "dating" a 12-year-old, for example. ;)oh now the blow-jober is 12?
I was under the impression she was 15.

or is this like a time warp thing?

How did THEY find out? Last time I checked, most people don't brag of their sexual exploits to their parents.

You know how it goes, you put in a tape, you watch, you...'get into it,' your done, you go for a nap, you forget the tape in the VCR, mom checks it before taping her soap and OH MY GOD!!!


I have no idea how this was charged.

How did THEY find out? Last time I checked, most people don't brag of their sexual exploits to their parents.

Well... I did link everyone to an in-depth version of the article... yes, the one from ESPN. In the article, they clarify what happened a little.

You know how it goes, you put in a tape, you watch, you...'get into it,' your done, you go for a nap, you forget the tape in the VCR, mom checks it before taping her soap and OH MY GOD!!!


I have no idea how this was charged.

Maybe the DA made the tape so he would have evidence to prosecute on in an attempt to appear tough on underaged sex.

Oy, only in America. :mad:

Oy, only in America. :mad:

And the middle east. And plenty of European countries.


So, really, it's more like "Oy, only in a large portion of the world"

oh now the blow-jober is 12.. I was under the impression she was 15.

or is this like a time warp thing?

No, I was addressing the idea that it should simply be "none of the government's business," what minors do sexually. ;)

Wait...what? What the hell are you talking about? What does jealousy have to do with how the parents found out...#1 who says the parents were the ones to find out first?

#2 You are right, you have absolutely no clue what I am talking about.. But do not worry, I got used to it ;)

Lucky bastard. I'm in North America >>

Well, Canada's not so bad... I think it's the cold. It keeps all sorts of riff-raff away.

Do you actually read these things or just hit 'reply'?

When you're convicted of a crime, and you have a lawyer, you can anticipate what the sentence might be. ;) There are these things called sentencing guidelines, you know, and it's not called a "plea deal" if it's *more* strict than what you'd get otherwise. You're convicted first, and sentenced a bit later, usually. :p

No, I was addressing the idea that it should simply be "none of the government's business," what minors do sexually. ;)I could somewhat agree with you.. if we were talking about some (less conservative) EU countries,

But unfortunately this is about the US justice system and.. The US Justice system has proven it is completely retarded concerning these matters..

And the middle east.Yes the Middle East is sexually conservative.. But the middle east is currently living their Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ages).. what is your excuse?

Yes the Middle east is sexually conservative.. But the middle east is currently living their Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ages).. what is your excuse?

Being run by people in their middle age.

Being run by people in their middle age.LOL.

good one :D

When you're convicted of a crime, and you have a lawyer, you can anticipate what the sentence might be. ;) There are these things called sentencing guidelines, you know, and it's not called a "plea deal" if it's *more* strict than what you'd get otherwise. You're convicted first, and sentenced a bit later, usually. :p

I know how a plea bargain works out, I've turned one down before (worked out great).

I will give a mea culpa of a kind because I didn't see the ESPN article until now that has this:
He looked at the forewoman. She was crying, seeming to understand they'd just undone a promising future. Indeed, when the jurors found out there was a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence, several were incensed. The prosecution told them to write a letter, then moved on to the next case.

But then there is also this-
At the same time this trial was under way, a local high school teacher, a white female, was found guilty of having a sexual relationship with a student -- a true case of child molestation. The teacher received 90 days. Wilson received 3,650 days.

Fucking fantastic.

Fucking fantastic.

No question it was a bad deal for everyone involved.

Goodthing my boyfriend and I dont get caught doing this. Or we would have to be reduced to ear sex after we get out of jail on paraole in 80 years. :p

What I want to know is how the hell this got to court in the first place. Did she like call up the police station secretary and be like "Oh, Janice, I was sucking off this guy last night..." and the secretary, whose name is apparently Janice, said "Really? How old was he" and the girl says "17." and the secretary says "Mah god, we gots to get this to trial." and the girl says "You're right! And don't take the lord's name in vain!"

Hmmm...

You're probably thinking about Marcus Dixon. He was 18 and had consensual (penetrative) sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. He was charged with rape and (I believe) child molestation. He did receive a 10-year sentence, but that sentence has since been overturned.

In the case of Marcus Dixon - knowing the town involved and quite a bit about the DA there, I can pretty much guarantee that the real problem was that Dixon is black and the girlfriend is white. If they had shared the same ethnic background, it never even would have gone to trial. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case with Mr. Wilson as well.

Is this not obvious to everyone?

1. The accused man is black.

2. The "offense" took place in Georgia.

3. The Judge is an old white man.

Just put 2 and 2 together, 4 should pop up.

In case these two quotes don't make it clear:

The guy in question here simply had the bad luck to get caught giving a white girl (yes, this is important!) a BJ in a state in the deep South. See, the South has had an institutionalized paranoia about black men seducing and/or raping white women for about the last 140 - after all, slaveholders did much the same thing to black women during slavery, and the Southern elite feared that the blacks would want that same kind of privilege!

Remember, if you see a case involving a black man, a white girl, a cruel and unusual sentence and the deep South, you can be damn sure that racism lies at the core of the case. :)

I know from personal experiance...

When i was 15 I was still a child, irresponsible and foolish. The difference in my maturity level between 15 and 18 is staggering. That aside, he should have known better because it's the law. Whether you agree or not its best to protect yourself from the law by not doing those things. Yes I still think its assinine, a 17 year old is much closer to an adult than a 15 year old. If she would have been 17 fine. If he would have been 14 fine. Can't blame a guy for wanting to get his rocks off but you have to be responsible about the way you go about doing things.


And to call ME a puritan? You obviously have no idea who you are talking too.

It's a bullshit law, and why the fuck do so many people generalize?

Just because you weren't psychologically mature enough, doesn't mean we all are, or were.

It's a bullshit law, and why the fuck do so many people generalize?

Just because you weren't psychologically mature enough, doesn't mean we all are, or were.

A serious comment or thought from Ruffy? :confused:

*Runs and hides in concrete bunker, quickly comes out to grab cookie jar and computer then runs back never to emerge again.*

Thanks Jesus, for the stupid American blue laws like this which fuck up genuinely innocent people's lives.

It's a bullshit law, and why the fuck do so many people generalize?

Just because you weren't psychologically mature enough, doesn't mean we all are, or were.

To be fair, laws like this are meant to do exactly that - generalize. We don't look at these things case-by-case.

Goodthing my boyfriend and I dont get caught doing this. Or we would have to be reduced to ear sex after we get out of jail on paraole in 80 years. :p

How about nose sex

... " On the tape, police saw a 15-year-old perform oral sex on one partygoer, and after finishing with him, she turned and did the same to Wilson. Under Georgia law at the time, this was considered aggravated child molestation, a felony for teens less than three years apart to have oral sex. " ...

O yeah .. she was really taken advantage of. :rolleyes:

She probably sucked off the rest of party, they just don't have that on tape.

A serious comment or thought from Ruffy? :confused:

*Runs and hides in concrete bunker, quickly comes out to grab cookie jar and computer then runs back never to emerge again.*
*steals your cookies*
To be fair, laws like this are meant to do exactly that - generalize. We don't look at these things case-by-case.

So do you think it's fair to put two consenting teen's in the same group as someone who actually is a sexual offender?

How about nose sex

He is to well endowed for that ;)

But if your up for it...

Well I have always said that 25$ is a fair price for a BJ, but 10 years?!? That's just a ripoff.

So do you think it's fair to put two consenting teen's in the same group as someone who actually is a sexual offender?

If the difference is only two years, I wouldn't think it appropriate, no. As a rule at least, it would seem too strict.

She probably sucked off the rest of party, they just don't have that on tape.

Thank God!

I thought that they taped everything... :D

Well I have always said that 25$ is a fair price for a BJ, but 10 years?!? That's just a ripoff.

Really? Id be willing if you got my cookies back from Ruffy. :fluffle:

My brother has always says:

Buying your girlfriend a valentines day girft $45
Getting mad when she doesnt put out and having to buy her another gift $80
Going to the local Bordello and meeting your ex Priceless

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!


Somebody needs to loosen up!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!


Somebody needs to loosen up!

Lolololol? I think someone needs to calm down, too! :p

Goodthing my boyfriend and I dont get caught doing this. Or we would have to be reduced to ear sex after we get out of jail on paraole in 80 years. :p

My work here is done. :D

Buying your girlfriend a valentines day girft $45
Getting mad when she doesnt put out and having to buy her another gift $80
Going to the local Bordello and meeting your ex Pricelessor..Going to a high school party and finding your ex.. sucking every cock she can get her hands on.. Priceless

My work here is done. :D

Im not a guy. :D Read My sig.

BTW I like your style. *hands over cookie* There you go.

Ocean I also give you a cookie. *Gives cookie*

Ocean I also give you a cookie. *Gives cookie*I need some milkshake with that :D

I need some milk with that :D

Just a sec.

*Pulls magic curtain in front of self. Ocean hears strange noises. A few minutes later I emerge carrying a glass of milk.

There. Now eat that cookie.

There. Now eat that cookie.I am eating.. I am eating :D

BTW congrats on your 700th post :fluffle:

Where is COOKIE?? My cookie, mwramramram!

Spamming Occeandrive doesn't work, it's been tried.
The cookie was a quite brilliant idea though.

*looks furry*
*flaps furry mouth some more in hope of random flying cookie*

Spamming Occeandrive doesn't work, it's been tried.
The cookie was a quite brilliant idea though.

*looks furry*
*flaps furry mouth some more in hope of random flying cookie*here, have some cookies.. these taste like a million dollars.. they taste so good that I almost ate it all.

:D

Spamming Occeandrive doesn't work, it's been tried.
The cookie was a quite brilliant idea though.

*looks furry*
*flaps furry mouth some more in hope of random flying cookie*

Throws cookie to Nobel*

Yay 700th Post!
*Bellydances in celebration! :D

He is to well endowed for that ;)

But if your up for it...
:eek:

Ok sure

as I believe Freud said, the only unnatural sex is no sex at all :p

:eek:

Ok sure

as I believe Freud said, the only unnatural sex is no sex at all :p
:D

Oh, please, such puritan nonsense. As I mentioned, 15 is the age of consent in my country and I don't see anyone worse for it. Not to mention, of course, that the 15-year old instigated this... now that my speaking ability has returned, I shall deem this another example of puritan douchebaggery and thank my lucky stars that at least our puritans left for North America and didn't remain here.


Yeah, we're still dealing with their crap. PLEASE take them back.

"I think prosecutors have a duty to make sure they don’t take cases to trial that they can win, when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime."

I think governments have a duty to make sure that their fucking laws work. Prosecutors should do their best to nail anyone who breaks the laws. Defence should be equally well funded, and likewise try their best to acquit their client, regardless of their personal judgement of that person's guilt.

And the punishment should fit the crime, and leaving the choice to the prosecutor (not the judge, not the jury, not the letter of the law, but a prominent public official who in certain feudal states is actually directly elected) is just insane.

So no, I disagree with the OP. Asking the prosecutor to not prosecute cases which can be won under law is pandering to a broken law, and putting power (the freedom to make decisions for others) in the wrong place. It belongs to the court: a formal system of decision-making based in a written law, with power in the hands of people who have no other role.

(I love the jury system, btw. Give random citizens the power, then take it away before it can corrupt them. The unaminity thing is good too, but juries could be smaller.)

Couple elected prosecutors with modern media and their emotive sound-byte focus on the most egregious cases, and you have reinvented witch trials. Fucking brilliant. :rolleyes:

The US could do worse than their current system. But they could do better (well, with the insane quantities of resources the federal govt apparently has to buy weapons they never use: much much better) but just to keep it simple: if the US petitioned the UK House of Lords for a new criminal code, offering nothing in exchange, they would get better than what they have now. They would get the Westminster System with some of the really old stuff taken out (eg Queen's Pardon.) It would be a better justice system.

You know what? I didn't even read the link. I just know this case is coming out of the legally-bankrupt United States of America. Just how fucked does it have to be before you'll fix it? Your constitution is fine historical literature, not the fucking Bible.

Well, duh!

Well: hole in the ground with water at the bottom.
Duh: "No" doppler shifted by falling away from the hearer.

*is glad that age of consent is 15 here, and that closeness in age is considered even when someone who's below 18 has sex with someone below 15 so that they never get prosecuted anyway*

Yep. Australia quite rightly steered away from imposing adult responsibility and adult punishment on people who, in the exact context of the supposed crime, were not competent to consent ... to their own actions!
Yeah, it is possible that cases of over two years age disparity would have to go to trial, but it cuts out the vast majority where kids are in the same year at school and you prosecute the older for "corrupting" the younger.

How did we do that? State legislation. Passed no problem, made law. Enforced by the courts, not at the whim of a government prosecutor. Westminster System baby!

Throws cookie to Nobel*

Yay 700th Post!
*Bellydances in celebration! :D

We should petition NS to have the catagories renamed, and starty at different numbers. I think 700 is pretty damn good too, it's like turning seven, which in my personal experience was the best damn birfday ever, except for when I turned eleven (and got to fly a small plane :blush: ). Seven is pretty damn cool though.

So the most important milestone in a posting career should be 2100 postrs. That's like tu8rning 21 and being a dead-set adult anywhere, so posters could be serious things after that.

1-10 posts should be known as "puppets."
11-50 posts should be known as "tryhards."
etc.

The thing is, we have to draw the line somewhere. There are some who argue the age of consent should be as high as 21, some say it should be as low as 12. For those of you who believe sex with a 15 year old is ok where do you suggest the age of consent should be?

Is it too late for crude sexual humor?

"He should have just fucking known better" doesn't equal "ten years or more". What is this, Iran?

If they had a 'temporary marriage' they probably would have been allowed to.

While it's clear that the guy broke the law, 10 years does seem excessive. He should've taken the plea like his friends. It's a shame.

So the idea of getting tagged a sex offender doesn't bother you?

So the idea of getting tagged a sex offender doesn't bother you?

In general, no. It's important to keep track of predators. In this case, it's excessive, like I said. It's a shame the guy couldn't have taken the plea and appealed without losing an additional five years of his life, but it happens.

Yeah, we're still dealing with their crap. PLEASE take them back.

Hey now, they gave us some good things too, remember. Protestant work ethic and all that. :p It wasn't all heretic-burning all the time.

In general, no. It's important to keep track of predators. In this case, it's excessive, like I said. It's a shame the guy couldn't have taken the plea and appealed without losing an additional five years of his life, but it happens.

I think we are all aware of the fact that it happens, the point being that it really shouldn't, and theres no need for it. In addition, given the radically different sentencing handed out in cases mentioned in the ESPN article posted earlier, its not any stretch of the imagination to think that had he been white, this would not have occurred even under the law as it stands.

Well...

1. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone under the age of consent.

2. He should have known better than to get a BJ from anyone who isn't a full grown adult... 15? My baby brother is 15! Having any kind of sexual act with a child (and 15 is still very much a child in many respects) is just assinine


:confused: Where do you live?
Here in Italy, a 15-year-old is entitled to his sexual life - with some limitations. Anyway, a consensual sexual act between a 17-years-old and a 15-years-old would be legal here.

I haven't read that. Is there evidence? Mr. Wilson also slept with another girl at the party - penetrative sex. He was charged with rape in that case but the act was found to have been consensual. I've never read anything to suggest he had an ongoing relationship with either girl.

Why the hell does it matter?

She consented.

Oh wait, I forget my mantra.

I will not doubt the age-of-consent laws, no matter how idiotically and unjustly applied. I will protect the sacred right of the State to impose arbitrary limits on people's sex life and arbitrarily enforce them. God bless the glorious age of consent. Amen.

I think we are all aware of the fact that it happens, the point being that it really shouldn't, and theres no need for it. In addition, given the radically different sentencing handed out in cases mentioned in the ESPN article posted earlier, its not any stretch of the imagination to think that had he been white, this would not have occurred even under the law as it stands.

That's pretty speculative. Anyway, it's a shame things happened as they did for the guy, and it's good that the state has since closed the loophole that allowed it.

I will not doubt the age-of-consent laws, no matter how idiotically and unjustly applied. I will protect the sacred right of the State to impose arbitrary limits on people's sex life and arbitrarily enforce them. God bless the glorious age of consent. Amen.

You are learning! Keep this up and the government will be proud of you!

The important thing is that his promising life was ruined .

A star athlete with several scholarship options for college, now down the drain.

I have friends personally who know people who went to prison for just 1 or 2 years and it screwed them up for the rest of their life. They were raped in prison in the very sick (But often made fun of) prison rape, have all kinds of issues, ended up doing more drugs and criminal things. I would be scared to go, and would kill myself if i had been sent o prison for over 1 year.

He will probably come out mentally messed up or a criminal.

Don't forget he likely loses his privacy for the rest of his life - but then again, he's an eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil sex offender, who cares..

The important thing is that his promising life was ruined .

A star athlete with several scholarship options for college, now down the drain.

I have friends personally who know people who went to prison for just 1 or 2 years and it screwed them up for the rest of their life. They were raped in prison in the very sick (But often made fun of) prison rape, have all kinds of issues, ended up doing more drugs and criminal things. I would be scared to go, and would kill myself if i had been sent o prison for over 1 year.

He will probably come out mentally messed up or a criminal.

Don't forget he likely loses his privacy for the rest of his life - but then again, he's an eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil sex offender, who cares..

He is far from that..but I see the sarcasm ;)

What sarcasm? there is no Sarcasm!

You are a bad person, Aerion!
Stop doubting the age-of-consent laws or I will suspect you of being in NAMBLA!
Bad Aerion! BAAAAD!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

You all need to make me your overlord. Shit like this would never happen.

Just when I think the news can't get any more appalling...

This seemed fitting for this case

http://blog.esaba.com/projects/catphotos/catimages/01332305.jpg

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

You all need to make me your overlord. Shit like this would never happen.

Just different shit. :p

Just different shit. :p

Cooler shit. Shit involving fire.

In general, no. It's important to keep track of predators. In this case, it's excessive, like I said. It's a shame the guy couldn't have taken the plea and appealed without losing an additional five years of his life, but it happens.

Sorry, no. It doesn't happen in a real justice system.

You know what a plea deal is? It is the concept of partial proof. The Crown (or whatever the US calls the state prosecutor) does not prove guilt. The accused does not admit guilt (as they would by pleading guilty in an actual trial.)
The two parties reach an arrangement which is satisfactory to neither.

Best justification I have heard for plea deals is to reduce the caseload on courts and the cost of administering justice. Got a better reason?

Why the hell does it matter?

She consented.

Oh wait, I forget my mantra.

I will not doubt the age-of-consent laws, no matter how idiotically and unjustly applied. I will protect the sacred right of the State to impose arbitrary limits on people's sex life and arbitrarily enforce them. God bless the glorious age of consent. Amen.Amen.