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Most humane capital punishment method?

Soviestan
06-06-2007, 22:29
This is not a debate of whether capital punishment should be around or not, so don't bring it into this. Since it is here and seems it will be for some time, what do you feel is the most humane method to carry it out?

I tend to think simply a shotgun to the head is the quickest and least painful option though it probably isn't the most practical. However I think lethal injection could be a good method but not how it is currently administered. The drugs used should probably be changed as there are many questions as to whether the current drugs really offer a painless death. There will be a poll

edit- please don't vote 'other' if by 'other' you mean "I don't believe in the death penalty". That would throw off the results.
Lunatic Goofballs
06-06-2007, 22:31
Death by sexual exhaustion. *nod*
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
06-06-2007, 22:33
Probably the firing squad, lethal injection or hanging/garroting, where it works properly. Firing squad and LI for most likely to work properly.
Fassigen
06-06-2007, 22:33
Since it is here

No, it isn't.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
06-06-2007, 22:38
edit- please don't vote 'other' if by 'other' you mean "I don't believe in the death penalty". That would throw off the results.

I don't see why shotgun to the head and firing squad are separate options - it's basically the same sort of thing. Incidentally, I believe parts of Indochina use shotgun to the heart as the primary form of execution, where the criminal is facing away from the barrel. Interesting.
Leeladojie
06-06-2007, 22:38
Have the inmate tied down on his back, shirtless on a table. A rat is then placed on his stomach, and a bowel is placed over the rat. A fire is then lit which makes the bowel become very heat. Desperate to escape from the heat, the rat has nowhere to go....but down...
Ultraviolent Radiation
06-06-2007, 22:39
Something that sends you gently into a sleep that you never wake from would be humane, although for a quick and inexpensive method, the guillotine would be good.
Soviestan
06-06-2007, 22:42
Have the inmate tied down on his back, shirtless on a table. A rat is then placed on his stomach, and a bowel is placed over the rat. A fire is then lit which makes the bowel become very heat. Desperate to escape from the heat, the rat has nowhere to go....but down...

2 fast 2 furious reference, eh?
Fassigen
06-06-2007, 22:42
Have the inmate tied down on his back, shirtless on a table. A rat is then placed on his stomach, and a bowel is placed over the rat. A fire is then lit which makes the bowel become very heat. Desperate to escape from the heat, the rat has nowhere to go....but down...

Bowel = http://intmed.muhealth.org/gast/images/bowel.jpg
Gravlen
06-06-2007, 22:44
I tend to think simply a shotgun to the head is the quickest and least painful option though it probably isn't the most practical.
:eek:
And the failures would be excruciatingly painful!

No, it isn't.
Indeed.

Death by sexual exhaustion. *nod*
You mean: Death by Snoo snoo! :fluffle:
Soviestan
06-06-2007, 22:44
No, it isn't.

it is in many places

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Death_Penalty_World_Map.png
Fassigen
06-06-2007, 22:47
it is in many places

Not here, though.
Desperate Measures
06-06-2007, 22:50
Old age.
Kryozerkia
06-06-2007, 22:51
Gunshot to the head. The executer would have the barrel of the gun aimed at the base of the skull.
Myu in the Middle
06-06-2007, 22:53
You mean: Death by Snoo snoo! :fluffle:
*Grin*
*Horror*
*Grin*
*Horror*
*Grin*

If I had to choose a method of execution, it'd be to be blown apart in midair over a major population area. Then I can go to my death saying "It will rain blood today", and it'll be quite cool and infamous.
Swilatia
06-06-2007, 22:54
There is no humane method of execution.
Sel Appa
06-06-2007, 22:57
I'd have to go with firing squad.
Damor
06-06-2007, 22:57
Death by old age.
Or perhaps the classic, death by chocolate.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
06-06-2007, 22:58
Gunshot to the head. The executer would have the barrel of the gun aimed at the base of the skull.

Eh. A bit too European, I think. I like our tradition of the firing squad standing a small distance back. Same effect, but less reminiscent of past fascist and communist regimes.
Ashmoria
06-06-2007, 22:59
all the common execution methods are equally humane if done correctly. they all (no not burning at the stake) kill in less than a second. (well not lethal injection but it incapacitates in less than a second)

but with many you have the problem of returning a mutilated corpse to the innocent family he came from.

in others you also have the problem of danger to the executioner. badly maintained electric chairs and gas chambers pose a serious threat to bystanders.

botched executions will always be a problem eh? no one wants it to take hours for a fat man to die from lethal injection or to have to have a guys head pop off in a hanging.

i guess those are a problem for people who actually support the death penalty to deal with.
Kryozerkia
06-06-2007, 23:06
Eh. A bit too European, I think. I like our tradition of the firing squad standing a small distance back. Same effect, but less reminiscent of past fascist and communist regimes.

I realise that but this way you've got little chance of missing unless you're a storm trooper at a shooting range aiming at Skywalker. ;)
Extreme Ironing
06-06-2007, 23:06
Old age.
Curu
06-06-2007, 23:08
Everyone Kwons hanging is the least painful
Lunatic Goofballs
06-06-2007, 23:13
You mean: Death by Snoo snoo! :fluffle:

I stand corrected. :)
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
06-06-2007, 23:29
I realise that but this way you've got little chance of missing unless you're a storm trooper at a shooting range aiming at Skywalker. ;)

Ah, could be. After all, if anyone can botch something so simple, the government can. :p
SaintB
06-06-2007, 23:39
Well... I can't think of a humane way to kill someone.

I guess the good old Guillotine... treid and true
Potarius
06-06-2007, 23:40
Capital punishment in itself is inhumane.
Minaris
06-06-2007, 23:45
all the common execution methods are equally humane if done correctly. they all (no not burning at the stake) kill in less than a second. (well not lethal injection but it incapacitates in less than a second)

but with many you have the problem of returning a mutilated corpse to the innocent family he came from.

in others you also have the problem of danger to the executioner. badly maintained electric chairs and gas chambers pose a serious threat to bystanders.

botched executions will always be a problem eh? no one wants it to take hours for a fat man to die from lethal injection or to have to have a guys head pop off in a hanging.

i guess those are a problem for people who actually support the death penalty to deal with.

Yeah, it is. I think the guillotine is least likely to mess up... I mean, the force alone probably is enough for a painless death.
New Manvir
06-06-2007, 23:55
Seppuku :D


I guess a simple handgun bullet to the head be most humane
Kronstadtia
06-06-2007, 23:59
The most certain way of making sure the person is not going to feel pain is to shoot him from a point-blank range, to head, while he's sleeping. He could be put to sleep with drugs, which would be painless, and I can hardly imagine he would have time to suffer while the bullet goes through his skull.

If you shoot someone awake and in full consciousness, the stress and fear alone may be enough to cause physical pain. So, shooting while asleep.

EDIT: Personally, if I'd get to choose how I'm going to be executed, I would take the firing squad-option. I'd have the chance of shouting something rebellious and utterly cool when they're aiming. :D
UNITIHU
07-06-2007, 00:06
Poison Gas. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany? Of course, but that doesn't make it the least painful and most humane.
Underdownia
07-06-2007, 00:10
Crossbow FTW!
Grape-eaters
07-06-2007, 00:10
Personally, I feel that nitrogen asphyxiation (or something similar) would be the most humane method of exectution. Since feelings of suffocation are caused by build-up of carbon dioxide in the body rather than lack of oxygen, one would imagine that nitrogen asphyxiation would cause no pain, but simply a gentle drifting off.

However, I feel that if we are executing someone, make it as painful and brutal as possible.


Note that I am actualy against the death penalty.
Desperate Measures
07-06-2007, 00:11
EDIT: Personally, if I'd get to choose how I'm going to be executed, I would take the firing squad-option. I'd have the chance of shouting something rebellious and utterly cool when they're aiming. :D

Like:

O why should wrath be mute, & Fury dumbe?
I am no Baby I, that with base Prayers
I should repent the Euils I haue done.
Ten thousand worse, then euer yet I did,
Would I performe if I might haue my will:
If one good Deed in all my life I did,
I do repent it from my very Soule
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-06-2007, 00:18
Like:

O why should wrath be mute, & Fury dumbe?
I am no Baby I, that with base Prayers
I should repent the Euils I haue done.
Ten thousand worse, then euer yet I did,
Would I performe if I might haue my will:
If one good Deed in all my life I did,
I do repent it from my very Soule

Sounds good, what's it from? :p

Reminds me a bit of that line from "Henry IV," ...something like "If cutting off my hand could ressurect the dead, I would do it so that I could kill you again," minus the Elisabethan English,of course. :p
Desperate Measures
07-06-2007, 00:19
Sounds good, what's it from? :p

Reminds me a bit of that line from "Henry IV," ...something like "If cutting off my hand could ressurect the dead, I would do it so that I could kill you again," minus the Elisabethan English,of course. :p

Titus.
Myrmidonisia
07-06-2007, 00:20
Bowel = http://intmed.muhealth.org/gast/images/bowel.jpg
I was wondering why the rat didn't chew through the bowel, too.

Okay, back to the question at hand.

It isn't humane, but it is fair. The convict should die in the same way his victim died. Strangled, shot, drowned, etc...

I didn't vote because I didn't want to throw off the results of this scientific poll.
Edenburrow
07-06-2007, 00:24
Personally, I feel that nitrogen asphyxiation (or something similar) would be the most humane method of exectution. Since feelings of suffocation are caused by build-up of carbon dioxide in the body rather than lack of oxygen, one would imagine that nitrogen asphyxiation would cause no pain, but simply a gentle drifting off.

However, I feel that if we are executing someone, make it as painful and brutal as possible.


Note that I am actualy against the death penalty.
Same, It's easy to die from Helium asphyxiation because you don't realize you're suffocating. If I got to choose how I was executed it would have to be a brutal and gory battle to the death ala' roman colosseum.
Avarum
07-06-2007, 00:26
I think the most humane way to kill someone would be nitrous asphyxiation. It's similar to nitrogen asphyxiation in the fact that your body doesn't realize it's being starved of air, but using nitrous would put the condemned into an anxiety free state of mind, freed worldly concerns, until they pass out and then die.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-06-2007, 00:33
Titus.

Aha, thanks. :)
Hipoplea
07-06-2007, 00:33
death by suicide sounds fairly humane, maybe death by leaky gas pipe that nobody knows about

Old age.

you sick monster :mad:

:p

edit: oooh wrong account guess who I am :D
Desperate Measures
07-06-2007, 00:36
you sick monster :mad:

:p

*sits in chair, waiting patiently for everyone to die*

Muah-hah-hah-hah!

edit: John Cusack?
Hunter S Thompsonia
07-06-2007, 00:40
Have the inmate tied down on his back, shirtless on a table. A rat is then placed on his stomach, and a bowel is placed over the rat. A fire is then lit which makes the bowel become very heat. Desperate to escape from the heat, the rat has nowhere to go....but down...

Been reading 1984 much?
Robonic
07-06-2007, 00:42
I think being beaten over the head with a rusty metal baseball bat covered in monkey feces would be a pretty humane way.... =D.

All craziness aside, I think lethal injection would be the best way, however we shouldn't be as liberal as to whom we give capital punishment.
Non Aligned States
07-06-2007, 01:41
The most certain way of making sure the person is not going to feel pain is to shoot him from a point-blank range, to head, while he's sleeping. He could be put to sleep with drugs, which would be painless, and I can hardly imagine he would have time to suffer while the bullet goes through his skull.


Why on earth would you add the cost of the bullet when you're already using drugs? Just OD his food with a lethal amount of sleeping pills. The only thing messy is cleaning his face of food after he falls face down in it.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
07-06-2007, 02:05
I think the most humane way to kill someone would be nitrous asphyxiation. It's similar to nitrogen asphyxiation in the fact that your body doesn't realize it's being starved of air, but using nitrous would put the condemned into an anxiety free state of mind, freed worldly concerns, until they pass out and then die.

QFT, they'd probably use nitrous before adding the nitrogen.
Andaluciae
07-06-2007, 02:06
None of the above...although massively overdosing on Morphine might not be toooooooo bad.
Trollgaard
07-06-2007, 02:08
Hanging because if it is done right your neck snaps and you die.
Zarakon
07-06-2007, 02:16
Other: Acting civilized and not killing them.
Soviestan
07-06-2007, 04:51
Hanging because if it is done right your neck snaps and you die.

And if its not you hang and fight while you slowly choke to death.
Soviestan
07-06-2007, 04:53
Yeah, it is. I think the guillotine is least likely to mess up... I mean, the force alone probably is enough for a painless death.

I've heard a decapitated head survives for up to 30 seconds after the fact. I'm not sure if thats a fact or not, though.
Trollgaard
07-06-2007, 04:56
I've heard a decapitated head survives for up to 30 seconds after the fact. I'm not sure if thats a fact or not, though.

I've heard that too! The head could potentially see its body laying on the ground...
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-06-2007, 05:00
I've heard a decapitated head survives for up to 30 seconds after the fact. I'm not sure if thats a fact or not, though.

I've heard that too, but I think the massive bloodloss and severing of the spine make it impossible.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
07-06-2007, 05:51
well supossedly, when Henry the whatever was executed in france, his eyes moved and blinked for a minute afterwards.
Vimeria IV
07-06-2007, 13:22
I've heard a decapitated head survives for up to 30 seconds after the fact. I'm not sure if thats a fact or not, though.

Legend. A swift decapitation is followed by a massive loss of blood pressure in the brain. There could be some twitching of the eyelids or some such afterwards, but there is no way anyone could remain aware or feel any pain whatsoever.

And if its not you hang and fight while you slowly choke to death.

If the noose is properly applied, it causes a blood choke, which basically means that major arteries in the neck are constricted in such a way that blood doesn't reach the brain. Loss of consciousness results in 4-10 seconds, so no, you don't "slowly choke to death", even if your neck doesn't break.
South Lorenya
07-06-2007, 13:39
I'd go with tossing them into molten lava. The others all have ways of screwing up, but if they fall into lava, within 2 seconds they're dead. It even saves the family from having to pay for a coffin!
The Potato Factory
07-06-2007, 13:52
Bullet in the back of the head when you're not expecting it. It's the WAITING to die that's the suffering.
Atopiana
07-06-2007, 14:01
Bullet in the back of the head when you're not expecting it. It's the WAITING to die that's the suffering.

How very NKVD. :p
Siempreciego
07-06-2007, 15:00
old age....

but the most humane (can this be used in reference to executions?) would probably be a morphine drip. Just overdose them.
Nouvelle Wallonochia
07-06-2007, 15:10
it is in many places

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Death_Penalty_World_Map.png

That's not a very accurate map. Several US states don't have the death penalty. My state abolished the death penalty in 1847.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg/800px-Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg.png
GrandBill II
07-06-2007, 16:45
Shotgun in the face might be fast and painless, but we also might have a hard time finding non-deviant person who will enjoy doing this as a job given all the mess that result.
Barringtonia
07-06-2007, 16:47
Shotgun in the face might be fast and painless, but we also might have a hard time finding non-deviant person who will enjoy doing this as a job given all the mess that result.

The judge who passed the sentence in the first place?

Why shouldn't judges both choose and carry out the punishment?
Hamilay
07-06-2007, 16:54
Some kind of gigantic explosion?
Insert Quip Here
08-06-2007, 09:20
Death by Pancakes should be a poll option :(
Risottia
08-06-2007, 09:47
Death by sexual exhaustion. *nod*

The most inhumane is "Death by pies thrown by LG playing God". Long, very long, and humiliating.;)
Demented Hamsters
08-06-2007, 09:47
A real big gun, like a Desert Eagle, aimed a few cms away from the heart.
The heart would pretty much liquefy, so death'd be almost instanteous.

Do it while they're asleep and they'd never know.
Demented Hamsters
08-06-2007, 09:55
I've heard a decapitated head survives for up to 30 seconds after the fact. I'm not sure if thats a fact or not, though.
This answers your query rather well:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_262.html
Wilgrove
08-06-2007, 10:11
Death by Snoo Snoo!
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-06-2007, 10:13
A real big gun, like a Desert Eagle, aimed a few cms away from the heart.
The heart would pretty much liquefy, so death'd be almost instanteous.

Do it while they're asleep and they'd never know.

I hear that what happens is that a well-aimed large-caliber shot to the heart causes explosive pressure, an explosion of blood destroying the blood vessels and arteries in and near the brain, which causes instant death. At least, that's what a big-game hunter told me once.
Regressica
08-06-2007, 10:19
There is no humane method of execution.

QFT.

I didn't vote because I didn't want to throw off the results of this scientific poll.

:p

I honestly can't think a way of humane execution. The trauma suffered by the victim knowing the fact he is going to be killed itself is inhumane.
Anti-Social Darwinism
08-06-2007, 10:38
Have the inmate tied down on his back, shirtless on a table. A rat is then placed on his stomach, and a bowel is placed over the rat. A fire is then lit which makes the bowel become very heat. Desperate to escape from the heat, the rat has nowhere to go....but down...

Aside from the fact that you seem to have confused bowel with towel, how is this humane? It seems cruel to the rat.
Risottia
08-06-2007, 10:57
QFT.
I honestly can't think a way of humane execution. The trauma suffered by the victim knowing the fact he is going to be killed itself is inhumane.

How about the classical soviet style? Day of execution undetermined - we all know we're going to die someday, don't we - then bullet into the back of the head on a random day while the condemned is walking through a corridor.

Anyway, death penalty is grossly unethical, if you ask me.
Mirkai
08-06-2007, 11:50
Death from old age.

Edit: Ok, that's already been said.

Well.. the *most* humane would be to allow the criminal to repeatedly act out his crime until he dies of pleasure.

If he's a thief, let him steal until he's so rich he dies of a drug overdose.

If he's a murderer, let him go about slaughtering people until he slips on blood and breaks his neck.

Rapist? Sexual exhaustion.

Arson? Dropped match.

Et al!
Yootopia
08-06-2007, 11:56
Amazing good sex to death-ed.

Obviously.
Soviestan
08-06-2007, 19:15
This answers your query rather well:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_262.html

thanks, it was an interesting read.
OcceanDrive
08-06-2007, 19:31
http://www.grossefrau.de/bilder/caro.jpg
You are hereby condemned to Death by Snoo snoo!
!!!
stop talking and Bring it on !!! :D
The Mindset
08-06-2007, 20:16
A real big gun, like a Desert Eagle, aimed a few cms away from the heart.
The heart would pretty much liquefy, so death'd be almost instanteous.

Do it while they're asleep and they'd never know.

What tosh. Almost everyone posting in this thread clearly has no idea how death occurs. Death only occurs when the brain stops working, and it's actually very, very difficult to get it to do so instantaneously. A bullet in the brain could potentially have you remaining conscious and in infinite amounts of pain for about two seconds (there's even cases where someone has shot using a .45 Colt directly through their chin and out the top of their head and only died a few hours later in ER). A bullet in the heart for at least a minute (up to four) while your brain is starved of oxygen. Even if you decapitate someone, their brain may still function until it is starved of oxygen four minutes later.

The most "humane" way of killing someone is to not kill them at all.
Kartiyon
08-06-2007, 20:53
Nitrogen Asphyxiation.
Varejao
08-06-2007, 21:02
A .50 Browning machine gun to the head at point blank range....
Snafturi
08-06-2007, 23:06
Bullet in the back of the head when you're not expecting it. It's the WAITING to die that's the suffering.

But knowing you are sentanced to death and not knowing when it will happen would be the worst of all.
Utracia
08-06-2007, 23:12
But knowing you are sentanced to death and not knowing when it will happen would be the worst of all.

How about the time coming to die but then at the last minute someone shouts "Gotcha!" and you get taken back to your cell. Repeat. Never knowing which time you actually will die and how many times they will screw with your mind. Nasty. :eek:
Dundee-Fienn
08-06-2007, 23:20
The most "humane" way of killing someone is to not kill them at all.

Ermmm. I just don't know what to say to this
The blessed Chris
08-06-2007, 23:42
Being shot in one's sleep I would imagine.....

I personally feel being decorated with sweeties and baked for an hour would be funnier.
Desperate Measures
08-06-2007, 23:43
Being shot in one's sleep I would imagine.....

I personally feel being decorated with sweeties and baked for an hour would be funnier.

Tastiness is next to humaneness.
Heretichia
08-06-2007, 23:54
I'm very opposed to capital punishment, but for the most painless way I'd opt for:

Relaxing drugs in pill form to numb the needle.

Then anaesthesia so you go to sleep.

Then a massive dose of morphine.
Snafturi
09-06-2007, 00:01
You know what would make an execution as humane as possible?

Administer Versed beforehand. It's an amnesic.
Monte Ozarka
09-06-2007, 00:10
I agree with the person who said a shotgun to the head when drugged and asleep. Bullets to the body are not always fatal, and a bullet to the heart is not immediately fatal. A bullet to the brain can miss the vital bits, but a shotgun shot loaded with buckshot at point blank range...

Sorry, but that's not going to not kill you (especially if shot by a machine).

Plus, it may have the added bonus of showing execution witnesses what death is actually like. You want spectacle? You want retribution in your justice? Well, it's dirty and bloody and spatters all over the place. Can't stand it? Too bad.
Nobel Hobos
09-06-2007, 00:55
I voted the shotgun.

From behind, without warning. Obviously without trial, since a trial could not be fair if the accused was not aware of the verdict (capital punishment.)

Not fair at all. But most humane.

EDIT: Not really knowing much about guns, I assumed the shotgun would annihilate consciousness the quickest. How about some kind of explosive shell then, entering the back of the head at the speed of sound?
G3N13
09-06-2007, 01:08
Nuclear fusion detonation while within 10 meters of the 50 MT bomb.

Can't think of much faster and surer way to die...well, except for direct meteor strike, but that's quite difficult to arrange.

Though most humane punishment would be to kill those who were responsible for you having that sentence in the first place with you (tied to the same bomb :p) as, after all, they're clearly a life threatening danger to people also :D
American Planets
09-06-2007, 01:19
Nitrogen asphyxiation.

your body doesn't even realize that it isn't getting any O2, because Nitrogen makes up most of our air.
Whatwhatia
09-06-2007, 03:54
This is an easy one...

Nuclear weapons test target. Never feel a thing.
Dexlysia
09-06-2007, 03:59
Choice.
Whatwhatia
09-06-2007, 04:10
Choice.
Good idea.

I'd choose nuclear weapons testing target.
British Londinium
09-06-2007, 04:10
I'm definitely for the death penalty, but I don't think we should be going for "humane" methods of execution. If you've committed a heinous enough crime to warrant your death, then you certainly don't deserve a peaceful, quiet death. To be honest, I think the best way to kill someone is to douse them in gasoline and use a firing squad armed with flamethrowers.
Whatwhatia
09-06-2007, 04:19
I'm definitely for the death penalty, but I don't think we should be going for "humane" methods of execution. If you've committed a heinous enough crime to warrant your death, then you certainly don't deserve a peaceful, quiet death. To be honest, I think the best way to kill someone is to douse them in gasoline and use a firing squad armed with flamethrowers.
Aren't you a nice person?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
09-06-2007, 04:45
Being shot in one's sleep I would imagine.....


A lot of people would spend their time on death row in a state of insomnia if that were the policy. Counting down the months to execution may be somewhat cruel, but at least the inmate can sleep without panicking. ;)
Adam Maji
09-06-2007, 05:08
In my opinion, a simple gunshot to the head is the best form of execution. Unlike lethal injection, which has seen complications with the drug or delays in death, a nice head shot ALWAYS works and there are no complications or delays.

If a shotgun or rifle slug to the head doesn't kill you quickly and painlessly, you ain't natural.
The Mindset
09-06-2007, 05:19
In my opinion, a simple gunshot to the head is the best form of execution. Unlike lethal injection, which has seen complications with the drug or delays in death, a nice head shot ALWAYS works and there are no complications or delays.

If a shotgun or rifle slug to the head doesn't kill you quickly and painlessly, you ain't natural.

As mentioned previously, the brain is a complicated thing. A sufficiently powerful bullet can pass through one side and out the other, completely missing a great deal of brain matter related to consciousness and ability to feel pain, meaning the person shot will die of bleeding to death rather than severance of their sentience. I'll concede that a shotgun at point blank range would be highly effective, if messy.
South Lorenya
09-06-2007, 06:19
The oinly way to be certain that (1) the prisoner dies and (2) the death is instantaneous is to totally destroy the brain. The only real ways to do it instantly with absolute certainty are a nuclear expolosion and molten lava, and the second is free while the first costs million of dollars (if not more!)
CoallitionOfTheWilling
09-06-2007, 06:21
The oinly way to be certain that (1) the prisoner dies and (2) the death is instantaneous is to totally destroy the brain. The only real ways to do it instantly with absolute certainty are a nuclear expolosion and molten lava, and the second is free while the first costs million of dollars (if not more!)

Actually, there would be a large amount of pain if you dip someone's head into lava...
South Lorenya
09-06-2007, 06:22
But only for a second or two, and then there isn't any head to feel pain.
Regressica
09-06-2007, 06:34
I'm definitely for the death penalty, but I don't think we should be going for "humane" methods of execution. If you've committed a heinous enough crime to warrant your death, then you certainly don't deserve a peaceful, quiet death. To be honest, I think the best way to kill someone is to douse them in gasoline and use a firing squad armed with flamethrowers.

Of course you don't believe that though...
Delator
09-06-2007, 07:28
High-speed catapult + brick wall covered in spikes = win.

At the very least, it will be over quickly. *nods* :p
Boonytopia
09-06-2007, 07:51
None. Capital punishment is inhumane by its very nature.
Vimeria IV
09-06-2007, 08:13
As mentioned previously, the brain is a complicated thing. A sufficiently powerful bullet can pass through one side and out the other, completely missing a great deal of brain matter related to consciousness and ability to feel pain, meaning the person shot will die of bleeding to death rather than severance of their sentience.

Most people who are shot in the head die of internal bleeding. If the bullet misses the major arteries, it's not terribly unlikely that the victim will survive. He may be brain damaged as a result, but the damage is probably not enough to kill him. Apart from the blood vessels, a relatively small amount of your brain matter is absolutely vital, and most of it is completely expendable.
Dobbsworld
09-06-2007, 08:16
Death by old age. Doesn't get any more humane than that.
Evrunistan
09-06-2007, 09:48
Something that sends you gently into a sleep that you never wake from would be humane, although for a quick and inexpensive method, the guillotine would be good.

My opinion exactely. Just make sure that the blade is heavy enough to cut completely through in one go.
Evrunistan
09-06-2007, 09:57
Death by old age. Doesn't get any more humane than that.

Besides old bones, arthritis, poor bladder control, and various illnesses? Maybe not that painful with proper medication, but hardly humane.
Blackbug
09-06-2007, 10:50
Drugged to sleep, then have the body placed in a chamber with lots of high explosives. Then when the explosives go off, the body is completely destroyed. That way they don't know what's hit them and they don't have a chance to feel pain.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
09-06-2007, 10:54
Besides old bones, arthritis, poor bladder control, and various illnesses? Maybe not that painful with proper medication, but hardly humane.

Heh. Good point. :p

I suppose death is never exactly humane in the sense of being perfectly painless or dignified. The key is to do the best we can do when ending the lives of people who can't be trusted to live among us, or living to the end of our own lives.
Cameroi
09-06-2007, 12:20
most humane would probably be to quitely shoot them in the head while the're asleep, without all the big anxiety generating pomp and ritual, and with something that doesn't make any noise to wake them up or the other prisoners.

i'm pretty sure that's how i'd want it done to me if i were for some unforseeable reason to be sentenced to be terminated.

blackbug's suggestion sounds pretty good too. except make it nuke so all of my soul energy gets released at once.

=^^=
.../\...
Soviestan
09-06-2007, 23:14
Most people who are shot in the head die of internal bleeding. If the bullet misses the major arteries, it's not terribly unlikely that the victim will survive. He may be brain damaged as a result, but the damage is probably not enough to kill him. Apart from the blood vessels, a relatively small amount of your brain matter is absolutely vital, and most of it is completely expendable.

which is why the gun(shotgun preferably) should be aimed at the back base of the skull where the brain stem and parts used for conscience are. Anything else and you risk survival or a slower death.
Hunter S Thompsonia
09-06-2007, 23:35
which is why the gun(shotgun preferably) should be aimed at the back base of the skull where the brain stem and parts used for conscience are. Anything else and you risk survival or a slower death.
The brain stem is not responsible for consciousness. The brain stem regulates such boring functions as heart rate, blood pressure, etc. It also is responsible for the eyes ability to lock onto moving objects, which is why brain dead people who, though dead for all intents and purposes, will still track your movement. I believe the actual spot where the 'I' takes place is high in the frontal cortex, an inch or two above the forehead. Although, of course, the brain can not be considered as a complete hierarchy, with one place governing all others. The spot I mention simply seems to be responsible for choosing actions.
The Longinean Order
10-06-2007, 06:34
Anything that will deal Sudden Nerve Trauma. Enough of it, and the body just turns off, like the most high has flipped your "Life Switch" to "Off."

Although, the Nitrogen Asphyxiation does sound good as well. The idea of them not knowing they are dieing as they suffocate is Ironic, as most people think of Asphyxiation as a violent thing. This would be the most humane way to send them to their doom.
Mirkana
11-06-2007, 03:43
Lethal injection, but replace current drugs with morphine.

Painless by definition.
Katganistan
11-06-2007, 04:08
Telling a person to drop dead. ;)
New Malachite Square
11-06-2007, 05:39
Death by old age. Doesn't get any more humane than that.

Heh heh. "You are hereby condemned to die of old age". Man, I'd be sure to use all my appeals to avoid that horrendous punishment. Of course, if you're lucky you might get off on parole ;)
New Limacon
20-11-2007, 03:25
I heard on NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15492117)a while ago that the firing squad is actually the fastest, most humane way to die, with fewer chances to screw up than lethal injection. Of course, most people associate firing squads with the purging of enemies of a military junta, or a New Yorker cartoon, and it's thus unpopular.
Forethrogenar
20-11-2007, 03:26
Something that sends you gently into a sleep that you never wake from would be humane, although for a quick and inexpensive method, the guillotine would be good.

Agreed.
Non Aligned States
20-11-2007, 03:39
Death by forced Tellytubbies watching.

Oh wait. You said humane. :p
Indri
20-11-2007, 03:41
Shotgun mouthwash!
Bann-ed
20-11-2007, 03:45
Never having been through capital punishment myself, I cannot really comment on which method is the least painful. However, there is one man we can ask.
Jesus. *nods*
New Limacon
20-11-2007, 03:50
Never having been through capital punishment myself, I cannot really comment on which method is the least painful. However, there is one man we can ask.
Jesus. *nods*

But he only went through one type. He would have try others for him to truly compare. Besides, even the US doesn't use crucifixion (unless, you know, the person really deserves it).
Bann-ed
20-11-2007, 04:00
But he only went through one type. He would have try others for him to truly compare. Besides, even the US doesn't use crucifixion (unless, you know, the person really deserves it).

I know, but we can eliminate or keep one at a time.
There must be some more famous people that came back to life after execution.
In the Good Book, I believe LG was sacrificed by pie-ering squad and ressurected after a ritual mudbath.
FreedomEverlasting
20-11-2007, 04:15
Tie someone on a chair, duck tape a plastic explosive on their forehead. Boom. No more brain. This can also avoid executioner confrontation since you can have multiple people press the button just like lethal injection and electric chair.

But what I would like doing is set the timer in front of him for 5 hours. The person will then have all the time in the world to think about what he/she did. Let the timer work it's magic by making that 5 hours seem like a lifetime. It just seems more humane for the victims of the crime that way.
New Limacon
20-11-2007, 04:18
Tie someone on a chair, duck tape a plastic explosive on their forehead. Boom. No more brain. This can also avoid executioner confrontation since you can have multiple people press the button just like lethal injection and electric chair.

But what I would like doing is set the timer in front of him for 5 hours. The person will then have all the time in the world to think about what he/she did. Let the timer work it's magic by making that 5 hours seem like a lifetime. It just seems more humane for the victims of the crime that way.
The victims of the crimes are dead. Torturing their killer does no more good than leaving a plate of cookies on their graves.
Kyronea
20-11-2007, 04:26
This is not a debate of whether capital punishment should be around or not, so don't bring it into this. Since it is here and seems it will be for some time, what do you feel is the most humane method to carry it out?

I tend to think simply a shotgun to the head is the quickest and least painful option though it probably isn't the most practical. However I think lethal injection could be a good method but not how it is currently administered. The drugs used should probably be changed as there are many questions as to whether the current drugs really offer a painless death. There will be a poll

edit- please don't vote 'other' if by 'other' you mean "I don't believe in the death penalty". That would throw off the results.
None of them. The death penalty is outdated, cruel, immoral, unethical, and downright wrong.
FreedomEverlasting
20-11-2007, 04:30
The victims of the crimes are dead. Torturing their killer does no more good than leaving a plate of cookies on their graves.

The ones who are suffering are those who are still living. It's debatable rather or not a person is consider a victim if someone kill his/her spouse/family/children/friend/etc but how inhumane is it to give a criminal extra time to think about what he/she did? It's like giving a timeout to a kid but a little more intense.
New Limacon
20-11-2007, 04:32
The ones who are suffering are those who are still living. It's debatable rather or not a person is consider a victim if someone kill his/her spouse/family/children/friend/etc but how inhumane is it to give a criminal extra time to think about what he/she did? It's like giving a timeout to a kid but a little more intense.

In that case, it's kind of a cruel joke. "I'm going to give you time to think about what you did. Have you realized what a bad thing that was? Okay, now I'm going to blow your head away." :)
Higher Austria
20-11-2007, 06:21
Most humane? Put the inmate on a spit, put the spit over an open fire, then slowly turn it. Make sure s/he's awake enough to scream.
South Lizasauria
20-11-2007, 06:53
this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qt5jj5WzfM&feature=related) :p
New Genoa
20-11-2007, 06:53
I was wondering why the rat didn't chew through the bowel, too.

Okay, back to the question at hand.

It isn't humane, but it is fair. The convict should die in the same way his victim died. Strangled, shot, drowned, etc...

I didn't vote because I didn't want to throw off the results of this scientific poll.

What if they cannibalized them alive?
The Rafe System
20-11-2007, 07:40
Dear reader,

The assumption of this particular fora is capital punishment, upon being found guilty of a crime.

Question:
why must the punishment be humane?

Humans can follow simple basic laws. Chivilry, fraternaty, equality, compassion, honesty, truth. these are ideals that are there for anyone to live up to, and live by. All which have no regards for sex, sexuality, net worth, skin colour, religion, language or any other excuses.

Criminals chose not to better themselves; chose the path of the hypocrite, the lazy, the leech.

An inhumane punishment treats them as the trash they are. Humane capital punishment spends too much time on the a$$-hole. Get rid of them, frak the ceremony, and send them to Hel.

It is the want of both options; getting rid of trash, but not want to be seen as evil. = ego-stroking mental-masterbatory horse squares. :headbang:

get over the fact some pathetic criminal died by your hand.

just like you get over the fact that by the inaction of your hand, with out your charity money to India, hundreds died of malneutrition, in the time it took you to read this. And you did not save even one.

its the same basic principle.
drama = :upyours:
-Rafe
OOC-ish
UpwardThrust
20-11-2007, 07:48
I realise that but this way you've got little chance of missing unless you're a storm trooper at a shooting range aiming at Skywalker. ;)

Tell that to all the people that lived through the first round ... weather because of misses or deliberate acts

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1569018.htm

An executioner talking of the squad leader having to come in and finish the job when the first round misses.
UpwardThrust
20-11-2007, 07:52
Most humane? Put the inmate on a spit, put the spit over an open fire, then slowly turn it. Make sure s/he's awake enough to scream.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Humane
Trotskylvania
20-11-2007, 07:57
Well, there are many ways to kill a man.

I think the only legitimate one is to let him expire of natural causes.
Trotskylvania
20-11-2007, 07:58
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Humane

Some people need to understand words, eh?
American Providence
20-11-2007, 08:05
This is not a debate of whether capital punishment should be around or not, so don't bring it into this. Since it is here and seems it will be for some time, what do you feel is the most humane method to carry it out?

I tend to think simply a shotgun to the head is the quickest and least painful option though it probably isn't the most practical. However I think lethal injection could be a good method but not how it is currently administered. The drugs used should probably be changed as there are many questions as to whether the current drugs really offer a painless death. There will be a poll

edit- please don't vote 'other' if by 'other' you mean "I don't believe in the death penalty". That would throw off the results.


The most humane form of execution? Choice. Allow them to choose from hanging, firing squad, lethal injection, or if they're murderers, they can die in the same manner as their victims. Personally, I hate needles, and a firing squad seems so anti-climatic. I'd choose hanging.
UpwardThrust
20-11-2007, 08:09
Some people need to understand words, eh?

Yeah they were not even close
Imperio Mexicano
20-11-2007, 08:09
Death by old age.

*runs*
New Neko
20-11-2007, 08:29
The most humane form of execution I know of is the lethal injection method used by the US justice department. It uses the following method.

1: Inject the subject with a large quantity of barbiturates until they are in a comatose state.

2: Inject the subject with 100mg of Pancuronium bromide, this will block the action of acetylcholine, leading to paralysis and death from asphyxiation when the diaphragm becomes paralyzed.

3: Follow this up with an injection of 100mEq of Potassium chloride to cause cardiac arrest.

Notes: Particular care should be taken at stage one to ensure that the subject is in a comatose state before proceeding to stages 2 and 3. Under no circumstances should the drugs be allowed to mix externally as this will lead to them precipitating and losing their effectiveness.
Anti-Social Darwinism
20-11-2007, 09:04
Death by a massive overdose of chocolate
South Lizasauria
20-11-2007, 09:07
Some people need to understand words, eh?

so humane punishment is an oxymoron. :p
South Lizasauria
20-11-2007, 09:22
Death by a massive overdose of chocolate

A 300ish death by toothbrush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k)

BRUSH YOUR TEEEEETH!!!!!!! :p
Ariddia
20-11-2007, 10:16
No, it isn't.

Indeed it isn't.


Death by sexual exhaustion. *nod*

I wonder how many people have actually died of that... Such a method of execution might actually drive up crime levels: eek:
FreedomEverlasting
20-11-2007, 11:38
In that case, it's kind of a cruel joke. "I'm going to give you time to think about what you did. Have you realized what a bad thing that was? Okay, now I'm going to blow your head away." :)

But if we look at it that way life itself is a cruel joke knowing that all our destination is death no matter how hard you work in life.

I would much prefer giving them life sentence than killing them. It's cheaper and serves more justice than just giving them an easy way out. I don't have the exact source at the moment but studies have shown that many prisoners who have a life sentence, knowing that they will be jailed for the rest of their life, prefer capital punishment over what they have.
Ifreann
20-11-2007, 11:49
5 month gravedig!
Entropic Creation
20-11-2007, 14:23
I decided on nitrogen narcosis as my chosen method of suicide, so it is obviously the most painless (technically asphyxiation, but the nitrogen narcosis shuts the brain down so I just drift away). Just go for one last SCUBA trip and dive a little deep... youll never even realize.

Essentially just administer a sedative or narcotic to put the person out, then do whatever you want to them. It wont really matter.


I hear that what happens is that a well-aimed large-caliber shot to the heart causes explosive pressure, an explosion of blood destroying the blood vessels and arteries in and near the brain, which causes instant death. At least, that's what a big-game hunter told me once.

Total and utter crap.
Shot a deer with a 12 gage slug. It jumped and ran about 100 yards before finally collapsing dead (amazing creature). The butcher commented that there was nothing left of the heart as it had been practically liquefied by the slug. Obviously, reducing the heart to some fibrous goo didnt kill it right away; I dont know what caliber shot that guy was using, but I generally dont take howitzers out to the woods.
Bottle
20-11-2007, 14:28
A friend of mine OD'ed on heroine and had to be resuscitated, and he told me it was a great way to die.
Dryks Legacy
20-11-2007, 14:40
A friend of mine OD'ed on heroine and had to be resuscitated, and he told me it was a great way to die.

How do you OD on heroine? :D
SeathorniaII
20-11-2007, 14:44
Firing squad, because it's cool and if you survive, you might get pardoned.
Dododecapod
20-11-2007, 14:49
The Chinese probably have the right of it - 9mm pistol to the brainstem. Instantaneous oblivion.
Belkaros
20-11-2007, 14:56
Who cares about humanitarianism? If they are gonna die, do it cheaply. Just lock all the prisoners up to starve. It's not like they aren't bad guys anyway.
Umdogsland
20-11-2007, 14:57
2 fast 2 furious reference, eh?I don't know about that and I don't think it's exact to 1984 but I read a story about that happening in the 1st Pan book of horror. I can't remember how old it is but it's definitely from before I was born.
Dryks Legacy
20-11-2007, 14:58
Who cares about humanitarianism? If they are gonna die, do it cheaply. Just lock all the prisoners up to starve. It's not like they aren't bad guys anyway.

Because if you care about the way that you put them down you're most of the time not sinking to their level... just.
Belkaros
20-11-2007, 15:05
Because if you care about the way that you put them down you're most of the time not sinking to their level... just.

Thats self serving doo-doo. If we are killing them, its eye for an eye justice already. We aren't really at their level, though because our killing is for the good of society. We may as well serve society cheaply, so the money that would be wasted keeping condemed jerks alive for 20 years of appeals could be used to improve education and welfare to reduce the crime rates in the first place.
Ifreann
20-11-2007, 15:06
Firing squad, because it's cool and if you survive, you might get pardoned.
Why would you get pardoned if you survive?
Who cares about humanitarianism?
Humans, generally.
CanuckHeaven
20-11-2007, 15:09
it is in many places

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Death_Penalty_World_Map.png
So basically, the US is in league with about one half of African countries and most Asian countries, i.e. mostly 3rd world countries. :eek:
CanuckHeaven
20-11-2007, 15:12
Old age.
Bravo!! Best answer and thread winner!! :D

I vote OTHER, with old age being the capital punishment!!
Dryks Legacy
20-11-2007, 15:18
...because our killing is for the good of society.

One could argue on a case-by-case basis that the killer's killing is also for the good of society.
United Beleriand
20-11-2007, 15:49
Humans, generally.Executed humans?
FreedomEverlasting
20-11-2007, 15:51
Who cares about humanitarianism? If they are gonna die, do it cheaply. Just lock all the prisoners up to starve. It's not like they aren't bad guys anyway.

The cheapest method is to shoot the guy and harvest his/her organs. The fresh organs that you can harvest at a cost of a bullet is far better than just starving the guy. Not only are we talking about conserving cost here but also help save innocent lives in the process. It also makes the death process quick and less painful so it's a win win situation for both the criminal and the tax payers. Rather or not this will serve justice to the crime however is another matter.
Ifreann
20-11-2007, 15:52
Executed humans?
Being dead I doubt they care about anything, really.
The cheapest method is to shoot the guy and harvest his/her organs.
People always say this, but somethin re-usable, like a gillotine, would be cheaper in the long run.
Not only are we talking about conserving cost here but also help save innocent lives in the process.
Eh, what? I get the saving lives, but not the innocent. Unless you're suggesting that people with a criminal record be precluded from receiving organ transplants.
It also makes the death process quick and less painful so it's a win win situation for both the criminal and the tax payers.
Yeah, dying is a real win on the part of the criminal.
Kamsaki-Myu
20-11-2007, 15:59
I voted other in the intention of having them cryogenically frozen. Look, we're going to need test subjects on the defreezing procedure; might as well use the guys we'd be otherwise killing now.
Risottia
20-11-2007, 16:06
Among the "other", freezing or microwaving the brain is quick and relatively painless.
Microwaving the brain, however, might not result in a fatality for some classes of people - politicians, sports stars and pop singers come to my mind.
Laerod
20-11-2007, 16:07
Bravo!! Best answer and thread winner!! :D

I vote OTHER, with old age being the capital punishment!!I knew after that many pages someone must have beaten me to it... :(
Kylesburgh
20-11-2007, 16:31
Press on the CAPS LOCK key and type punishment.
Sinnland
20-11-2007, 19:47
Firing squad: five men shooting you with large calibre rifles at a distance less than 2m == owned.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
21-11-2007, 00:19
Nitrogen asphyxiation. I'm opposed to the death penalty, but this seems potentially to be a more humane and cheaper method than those currently used.
Andaluciae
21-11-2007, 00:57
Instantaneous atomic incineration.
New Limacon
21-11-2007, 01:21
So basically, the US is in league with about one half of African countries and most Asian countries, i.e. mostly 3rd world countries. :eek:

Yes, it's the country's way of slumming.
GreaterPacificNations
21-11-2007, 05:19
Stoning isn't in the poll.
CanuckHeaven
21-11-2007, 05:45
Yes, it's the country's way of slumming.
Yeah, and it is kind a sad, and dare I say uncivilized.
JuNii
22-11-2007, 01:05
This is not a debate of whether capital punishment should be around or not, so don't bring it into this. Since it is here and seems it will be for some time, what do you feel is the most humane method to carry it out?

I tend to think simply a shotgun to the head is the quickest and least painful option though it probably isn't the most practical. However I think lethal injection could be a good method but not how it is currently administered. The drugs used should probably be changed as there are many questions as to whether the current drugs really offer a painless death. There will be a poll

edit- please don't vote 'other' if by 'other' you mean "I don't believe in the death penalty". That would throw off the results.

Application of strong sedative (sleeping pills) followed by lethal injection while the subject's asleep.
Trollgaard
22-11-2007, 01:10
Yeah, and it is kind a sad, and dare I say uncivilized.

Uncivilized? LMFAO!

Killing is the hallmark of the 'civilized'!
The blessed Chris
22-11-2007, 01:19
Death by pushing off of tall building. I would hope the drop would give the criminal a chance to feel real contrition before they become pate.