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What do you think about Foie Gras? Is it cruel? Should restaurants be allowed to serve it? Is Hugs for Puppies (http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/archive/index.php/t-4431.html) a stupid name for a terrorist organization?

What do you think about Foie Gras? Is it cruel? Should restaurants be allowed to serve it?
Ducks and geese are edible, hence we can eat them however we want.

Is Hugs for Puppies (http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/archive/index.php/t-4431.html) a stupid name for a terrorist organization?
Hugs for puppies is a stupid name for almost anything...

I think people should be able to eat goose liver if they want. It's easy to raise a fuss over it, because most of us can't afford that stuff anyway - I have no idea how it tastes and haven't ever seen it on sale at my grocery store. But sure, it's just liver, and I like liver, so I don't mind it being legal. It's always been a fact of farming that you fatten animals you're going to eat. No controversy there.

I've never had Foie Gras. And you'd think that if a terrorist group WAS named that, they'd slip under the radar ... but they don't miss a trick over at the FBI and Homeland Security. At least it's not "The Base". I mean, seriously. How about I make my own terrorist network called "The Acid". We'd definitely recruit more from the rave scene. And I don't care what "Hez'bollah" means, it sounds like a sneeze. I remember someone suggesting the name "OMG KILL U DED!!1" a while back ... if I were looking into joining a terrorist group, weighing the pros and cons, I think I'd choose that one. Depending on the dental plan, anyway.

i dont think we should let nutz tell us what we can and cannot eat. sure foie gras is a bit cruel but so is the cattle slaughtering process. we shouldnt give them the impression that they can start here and end up with a country of vegans.

I think the noisy imbecile whiners should go to hell, and that people should eat foie gras if they choose.

Ducks and geese are edible, hence we can eat them however we want.


I think the issue is that you have to force feed the ducks. Although I couldn't care less.

I think the issue is that you have to force feed the ducks. Although I couldn't care less.

It's probably much cheaper than letting them pick and choose what they want to eat like in the wild. Not sure how much more efficient it is, but you can't blame industry for maximizing efficiency. :)

I don't like that they force feed these animals but I am not going to protest over it. I just wont buy it. I'm certainly not going to hug a puppy in retaliation.

Animal rights people have always struck me as looney, and self-loathing. Keep foie gras. Besides, I love it.

protesting is terrorism now, is it?

protesting is terrorism now, is it?

Depends what kind of protesting you mean. Planting a bomb can be called a protest, but it's also terrorism, for example.

If the ducks and geese aren't force-fed then I can't really see a reason to ban it. (didn't they stop the force-feeding?) I don't have a problem with people protesting it either. What kind of 'terrorist' act did these puppy huggers engage in though? the articles (which are 3 years old or something) only say something about protesting and flyering :confused:

Animal rights people have always struck me as looney, and self-loathing. Keep foie gras. Besides, I love it.

They usually are a bit cracked. Though I always love the whole "animals are better than people, because they don't bomb each other" thing, despite animals routinely ripping each other to shreds. Maybe the folks at PETA should watch National Geographic occasionally! :D

Depends what kind of protesting you mean. Planting a bomb can be called a protest, but it's also terrorism, for example.

did these plant a bomb though? it doesn't sound like it. just waving placards and such.

if you don't want to eat it, fine, but don't tell me that im not allowed because you don't like it.

all this talk of foie gras has been making me want to eat at Le Bec Fin...

if you don't want to eat it, fine, but don't tell me that im not allowed because you don't like it.

all this talk of foie gras has been making me want to eat at Le Bec Fin...

Watch out for the puppy huggers.

Watch out for the puppy huggers.

and i though the homicide rate was bad now i have to look out for huggers

The Spanish have come up with Ethical Foie-Gras that involve no mechanical force-feeding and have even won French awards. Needless to say the French are pissed about it.

BBC: The Holy Grail of foie gras? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6301715.stm)

Times Online: French are in a flap as Spanish force the issue over foie gras (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/europe/article1265675.ece)

I've never been one for liver, but just the fact that the animal rights activists are all worked up about it makes it seem ESPECIALLY DELICIOUS!

I've never been one for liver, but just the fact that the animal rights activists are all worked up about it makes it seem ESPECIALLY DELICIOUS!

That seems to be true as a rule. :p

So, drive 'round Philly looking for protests, and there's where I'll find foie gras?
Cool.

What a bunch of goddamn losers. Our president fabricated evidence, led is into an unjust war, and is a slave to special interests. Congress refuses to make any progress, or do anything at all. Young people are dying every day in said unjust war, and you people want to worry about fucking GOOSE LIVER? Take a fucking look at the real issues.

What a bunch of goddamn losers. Our president fabricated evidence, led is into an unjust war, and is a slave to special interests. Congress refuses to make any progress, or do anything at all. Young people are dying every day in said unjust war, and you people want to worry about fucking GOOSE LIVER? Take a fucking look at the real issues.

Why don't you cut the flaming right now. You're WAY off topic.

Why don't you cut the flaming right now. You're WAY off topic.

Okay, two questions:

1. We allow flaming of groups such as the Phelps church, so I don't understand why flaming this group is a no-no. I'm not arguing, I'm just curious.

2. I was pointing out how absurd it is to worry about goose livers when their are much larger problems. So I don't see how I was off topic.

Okay, two questions:

1. We allow flaming of groups such as the Phelps church, so I don't understand why flaming this group is a no-no. I'm not arguing, I'm just curious.

2. I was pointing out how absurd it is to worry about goose livers when their are much larger problems. So I don't see how I was off topic.

1.What a bunch of goddamn losers. Our president fabricated evidence, led is into an unjust war, and is a slave to special interests. Congress refuses to make any progress, or do anything at all. Young people are dying every day in said unjust war, and you people want to worry about fucking GOOSE LIVER? Take a fucking look at the real issues.

That's flaming the posters of this thread, not some other group, unless you really expressed yourself poorly.

2. The war in Iraq is NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. The topic of this thread is Foie Gras and the protests sparked by it. So yes, you are quite off topic.

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That's flaming the posters of this thread, not some other group, unless you really expressed yourself poorly.

I believe that would be it. It was targeted at the group, which I thought was clear, but apparently not. Very well then, I'll try to be clearer in the future.

I believe that would be it. It was targeted at the group, which I thought was clear, but apparently not.



It was meant to be an example of the larger problems facing America then the force-feeding of geese to make food.

There are no such thing as "Bigger Issues". Smething is always the top issue for someone.

My position: Animals don't have rights. This doesn't appear to violate cruelty guidelines. Go the Foie-Gras.

There are no such thing as "Bigger Issues". Smething is always the top issue for someone.

My position: Animals don't have rights. This doesn't appear to violate cruelty guidelines. Go the Foie-Gras.

Exactly. They're geese. It's just craziness to think otherwise.

I think the noisy imbecile whiners should go to hell, and that people should eat foie gras if they choose.
For once we agree. ;)

In Philadelphia there is a major over-population crisis within the goose community. Just last week I was attacked by four geese while walking around Rittenhouse. Foie gras is a good way to reduce the goose population of the city, and I would suggest to Mayor Street that he should offer incentives to the homeless people that call the city's parks home; such as for every goose they kill and donate to one of the many fine dining establishments, they would receive a one night stay at Holiday Inn. Yes, I reposted this. Fucking hell! I thought it was duck liver!

Ban it! :D

*waltzes into thread*

:upyours: @ people who try to tell folks what they should and should not eat.

*moonwalks out*

:D

Foie gras as it is usually produced is needlessly, pointlessly cruel. I would not personally campaign to ban it, but would happily campaign to convince people not to eat or produce it, and I have no serious objections to a legal ban. I see absolutely no reason to ban goose liver pate that was produced without the aforementioned needless, pointless cruelty, of course.

Them geese have no gag reflex.

Foie gras as it is usually produced is needlessly, pointlessly cruel. I would not personally campaign to ban it, but would happily campaign to convince people not to eat or produce it, and I have no serious objections to a legal ban. I see absolutely no reason to ban goose liver pate that was produced without the aforementioned needless, pointless cruelty, of course.

Can it be cruel, though? It looks to me like the brain of a goose is roughly the size of a pistachio - not likely to understand what's going on.

Here's the thing, why not Hugs for Geese?

It's because geese are vicious little buggers that'd charge you, flapping their wings and squawking, and then bite you as soon as look at you. It's practically impossible to hug a goose.

I'm not a great fan of force feeding but frankly, geese have no redeeming features aside from their crispy skin and enlarged livers so if you ban that you may as well exterminate the entire species.

Rats of the sky they are - at least pigeons pick up the trash.

Here's the thing, why not Hugs for Geese?

It's because geese are vicious little buggers that'd charge you, flapping their wings and squawking, and then bite you as soon as look at you. It's practically impossible to hug a goose.

I'm not a great fan of force feeding but frankly, geese have no redeeming features aside from their crispy skin and enlarged livers so if you ban that you may as well exterminate the entire species.

Rats of the sky they are - at least pigeons pick up the trash.

I hadn't even thought of that - geese really are assholes. Wild geese, at least. A few families near me own domestic geese, which are presumably less vicious, but I'm only guessing there.

I hadn't even thought of that - geese really are assholes. Wild geese, at least. A few families near me own domestic geese, which are presumably less vicious, but I'm only guessing there.

Domestic geese are wild geese on steroids with no gratitude for the fact that you feed them, admittedly so you can feed on them but then I'll stand by my double standards till the day I die.

Domestic geese are wild geese on steroids with no gratitude for the fact that you feed them, admittedly so you can feed on them but then I'll stand by my double standards till the day I die.

I dunno if they're quite as bad as wild geese - after all, white down and orange beak makes them look funny. :p

I dunno if they're quite as bad as wild geese - after all, white down and orange beak makes them look funny. :p

...and great for camouflage among traffic cones when it's snowing, which is their natural habitat I think.

How about if we combined goose genes with those of Paris Hilton and Monica Lewinski? Then you'd have a strain of geese that wouldn't need mechanical assistance to swallow down a load!

do we really need to abuse geese just so a few idiots trying to impress each other can eat some kind of over priced crap?

i mean geese aren't the most brilliant or wonderful of creatures either, but i see this as being less about them then another example of human insanity.

protesters can protest or not as they see fit, i'll continue to eat dead cow and noodles, and hopefully we'll all be happy.

some of the things people do are pretty creepy.

i rather enjoyed the running of the minks a few years back though.
something i'd much rather see then coats made out of them.

=^^=
.../\...

Prisoner in the net it tried to freed itself.
The quilt was too strong to escape.
Then, after being dragged up for 20 miles and being banged against the rocks, it has been asphyxiated with a somber cruelty. The stupid and idiotic fish is decapitated and frozen.
It's not very interesting like smart geese or small Korean dogs.

I say, free the sardines!


Next week a recipe to kill your snails without culprit.

...and great for camouflage among traffic cones when it's snowing, which is their natural habitat I think.

sentient orange traffic cones in the snow sounds like my kind of a world, minus the traffic of course.

=^^=
.../\...

The creatures are destined to die for my food and nourishment, anyway. Why does their method of death matter? They're still going to be dead in the end. We should pneumatically feed vegans/vegetarians who try to limit my menu of death with lots of red meat. Besides, if it weren't for the meat industry these geese probably wouldn't have been raised in the first place.

sentient orange traffic cones in the snow sounds like my kind of a world, minus the traffic of course.

=^^=
.../\...

...but then how would you run over the geese?

Nice tidbit of extra information:

After protests from the "party for the animals", a Dutch political party with two seats in cabinet, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands recently announced she will no longer have foie grass served at state dinners.

i rather enjoyed the running of the minks a few years back though.
something i'd much rather see then coats made out of them.

=^^=
.../\...

Do you own any mink? It's amazing. :p It's like sleeping in a cloud, having a mink quilt. It's crazy.

Nice tidbit of extra information:

After protests from the "party for the animals", a Dutch political party with two seats in cabinet, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands recently announced she will no longer have foie grass served at state dinners.

Ugh. I can feel my soul revolting, just knowing that. :p

Ugh. I can feel my soul revolting, just knowing that. :p

Glad to be of service :)

...but then how would you run over the geese?

what geese?

geese are from a mythical planet called earth.

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It's probably much cheaper than letting them pick and choose what they want to eat like in the wild. Not sure how much more efficient it is, but you can't blame industry for maximizing efficiency. :)

Heheh great! When they force feed a goose to produce foie gras, they do so by sticking a funnel down the throat. This funnel is almost two feet in lenght, and then they pour copious amounts of sweet corn down the funnel right into the stomach, the effect of a swollen liver on the overall health is also not good.

It is undoubedtly cruel and inhumane, there can be no question on that. But ahhhh it tastes so nice!:eek:

While I can hardly come out in favor of sweeping regulation, but is it really necessary to torture animals so that a few rich guys can have hyped-up food?

Heheh great! When they force feed a goose to produce foie gras, they do so by sticking a funnel down the throat. This funnel is almost two feet in lenght, and then they pour copious amounts of sweet corn down the funnel right into the stomach, the effect of a swollen liver on the overall health is also not good.

It is undoubedtly cruel and inhumane, there can be no question on that. But ahhhh it tastes so nice!:eek:

I'd have to see the process performed to pass judgement, but so long as it's done in due time by a professional, it's nothing I'd worry about. I don't eat the stuff either way, but good corn-fed meat is always enjoyable, and I wouldn't hold it against anyone who enjoys goose liver as a delicacy.

And it is better to feed the animals with themselves as the mad cow decease proved it.
Sheep eat sheep, pork eat pig, chicken eat eggs, cow eat cow.
Vegetarian or not animals take what they are given.
Corporates know what is good for them because they know what is goo for you.
Foie gras is shit because they (corporates) do not hold the production.

And the laborious mass of silly tax payers to hail the gurus who said camembert kills, foie gras is horrific and the shit from your ass smells too much.

She drank half a bottle of whisky everyday, and 4 pints of ale.
He ate eggs and sausages in great quantity.
Her liver is an exhibition of all the shit she swallowed, but no one thought to eat it???
Some of her friends say she was a white goose.

Foie gras is needlessly cruel. I don't have a problem with banning it.

Foie gras is needlessly cruel. I don't have a problem with banning it.

There's a simple, good reason not to ban foie gras:

The geese deserve it.

Foie gras is needlessly cruel. I don't have a problem with banning it.
I have nothing against doing such things to creatures that are going to be eaten anyway.

I have nothing against doing such things to creatures that are going to be eaten anyway.Simply because the geese are going to be eaten anyway doesn't mean we have to think of the cruelest methods of treating them.

Simply because the geese are going to be eaten anyway doesn't mean we have to think of the cruelest methods of treating them.
But it means that all of the irritating animals right people can go eat cake.