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Ok, so this is something my parents mentioned the other night that I just thought was interesting.
Basically they said the US and Mexico should consider making it another state or territory like Puerto Rico, because of the benefits it would bring Mexico and the States.

So I was wondering what you all thought of this idea.

I think it's a great idea. Let's liberate Mexico right away.

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and by doing so we gain....?

and by doing so we gain....?

Mexicans, Tacos, and illegal fireworks.

I don't think the Mexicans would like that.

and by doing so we gain....?

Less illegal immigrants...

Mexicans, Tacos, and illegal fireworks.And assloads of tequila.

You know, to be honest, mexico probably would be better off.

it will never happen it like NZ becaming another state or territory to us

Mexicans, Tacos, and illegal fireworks.

i could go to South Carolina if i wanted that...



it will never happen it like NZ becaming another state or territory to us

I hope we don't, i like NZ just the way it is

And assloads of tequila.

Can't forget about the tequila. That alone is reason enough to annex Mexico.

i could go to South Carolina if i wanted that

Not for M-80s. They're just not sold in the US except by folks who've made a run to Mexico to buy some or make their own homemade fireworks.

Not for M-80s. They're just not sold in the US except by folks who've made a run to Mexico to buy some or make their own homemade fireworks.

well i still have a month before i need to make a good border run....

Already in the works... well sort of. There have been talks of a North American "Union" like the Europoean Union.

My question is "what does everyone get out of it?"

Not for M-80s. They're just not sold in the US except by folks who've made a run to Mexico to buy some or make their own homemade fireworks.

I'm pretty sure I can get M-80's just outside of Las Vegas

Still, if Mexico was actually for it, I bet that we could be mutually beneficial to each other after most of the riots ceased.

Already in the works... well sort of. There have been talks of a North American "Union" like the Europoean Union.

My question is "what does everyone get out of it?"

Fuck that noise. My question is, "what orifice are those asshat conservative politicians talking out of now?".

Can't forget about the tequila. That alone is reason enough to annex Mexico.I won't stop you.:p

Already in the works... well sort of. There have been talks of a North American "Union" like the Europoean Union.

My question is "what does everyone get out of it?"

more economic freedoms? don't we already have NAFTA for that?

it wouldn't be fair to Mexico or Canada, The US would dominate any such union


Can't forget about the tequila. That alone is reason enough to annex Mexico.

don't they make tequila in Nevada?

I'm pretty sure I can get M-80's just outside of Las Vegas

Still, if Mexico was actually for it, I bet that we could be mutually beneficial to each other after most of the riots ceased.

Maybe you can, but they're imported illegally or manufactured illegally.

Powder content requirements limit the amount of
pyrotechnic material present in fireworks devices
that is designed to produce an audible effect (often
called a "report", this is the "bang" that is
produced when a fireworks functions). The limits
minimize the risk of injury from fire/flames,
fragments, explosions, and damaging sound to
users or bystanders. There are two basic limits on
powder content:
(1) 16 CFR 1500.17(a)(8) limits firecrackers and
other ground devices, to 50 mg. of
pyrotechnic composition (powder) designed
to produce an audible effect. Firecrackers
that exceed this limit, including illegal
devices such as 'cherry bombs', 'M-80’s',
'silver salutes' and other large firecrackers are
banned. Kits and components intended to
produce any banned device also violate the
regulations.http://www.cpsc.gov/BUSINFO/regsumfirework.pdf

more economic freedoms? don't we already have NAFTA for that?

it wouldn't be fair to Mexico or Canada, The US would dominate any such union


Wouldn't that be the point of the US creating it in the first place?

Maybe you can, but they're imported illegally or manufactured illegally.

http://www.cpsc.gov/BUSINFO/regsumfirework.pdf

That or because it's being sold on a reservation and doesn't have to abide by those laws. I'm pretty sure the place that's been open as long as I can remember and sells their stuff openly is not operating illegally.

There's a place in Wyoming that I can get the same stuff apparently, perhaps they are on a reservation too.

That or because it's being sold on a reservation and doesn't have to abide by those laws. I'm pretty sure the place that's been open as long as I can remember and sells their stuff openly is not operating illegally.

There's a place in Wyoming that I can get the same stuff apparently, perhaps they are on a reservation too.

Shit. Living here in New Jersey it's easy to forget about the big Indian reservations. I guess they're not expected to abide by those regulations.

Shit. Living here in New Jersey it's easy to forget about the big Indian reservations. I guess they're not expected to abide by those regulations.



There are quite a few out east that sell the good fireworks too right?

I just realized the 4th of July is coming up and I need to get my stash replenished!

I hope we don't, i like NZ just the way it is

so does us Australians

No. US imperialism must never be allowed to go this far.

...so we stop illegal immigration by making it legal?

Well if it was annexed it would have to be like 31 states(1 for every Mexican province) plus thier federal district...... Mexicp has oil so that would be good. In general I sincerely doubt annexation I could go either way. :rolleyes:
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It would certaintly solve immigration issues.

Mexico has considerable reserves of oil and natural gas. There's really no reason for that country to be such a shithole.

No. US imperialism must never be allowed to go this far.

The British ar eprobably the most imperialistic nation ever,followed by Spain and france. Between the three they praticly divided up the world. OH lets see ALL of North and South America plus China,India,Vietnam,the Phillipines,Africa,and Australia(to name a few). WHOLE CONTINENTS!!!!! Manifest destiny is nothing compared to that.

Mexico has considerable reserves of oil and natural gas. There's really no reason for that country to be such a shithole.

Corruption is a pretty good reason. ;)

Also, I'm in favor of dealing with Mexico for our economic needs. What needs to happen, though, in the long term, is for NAFTA to be amended to allow U.S. citizens to own land down there, rather than just lease. We could turn that country around overnight. :)

Ok, so this is something my parents mentioned the other night that I just thought was interesting.
Basically they said the US and Mexico should consider making it another state or territory like Puerto Rico, because of the benefits it would bring Mexico and the States.

So I was wondering what you all thought of this idea.

It probably wouldn't happen. There are advantages for the US... not least being the MUCH smaller southern border, and there are advantages for Mexico.. not least being the ability to participate in and benefit from 'federal' government of the US-super-state.

There are also disadvantages... the US has a large proportion of people that (in a nation of immigrants) would take umbrage at open borders... even with a nation that was now part of 'us'. Federal help might reduce the drug market through Mexico... but Mexico would likely become a new vassal state to US organised crime...

It's a double-edged sword.

The British ar eprobably the most imperialistic nation ever,followed by Spain and france. Between the three they praticly divided up the world. OH lets see ALL of North and South America plus China,India,Vietnam,the Phillipines,Africa,and Australia(to name a few). WHOLE CONTINENTS!!!!! Manifest destiny is nothing compared to that.

It's still imperialism though.Besides, who knows? This manifest destiny thing wiht actually get quite out of hand.

Corruption is a pretty good reason. ;)

Also, I'm in favor of dealing with Mexico for our economic needs. What needs to happen, though, in the long term, is for NAFTA to be amended to allow U.S. citizens to own land down there, rather than just lease. We could turn that country around overnight. :)

Like we did with Texas?

The British ar eprobably the most imperialistic nation ever,followed by Spain and france. Between the three they praticly divided up the world. OH lets see ALL of North and South America plus China,India,Vietnam,the Phillipines,Africa,and Australia(to name a few). WHOLE CONTINENTS!!!!! Manifest destiny is nothing compared to that.

Bad shit happened a while back.. .so it doesn't matter what happens now?

Like we did with Texas?

No, we wouldn't be writing their laws or taking their tax dollar. We'd just be doing exactly what millions of Mexicans do in the U.S. right now - sharing economic benefit. A little openness could go a long way. :)

No, we wouldn't be writing their laws or taking their tax dollar. We'd just be doing exactly what millions of Mexicans do in the U.S. right now - sharing economic benefit. A little openness could go a long way. :)

No... you misunderstood. Americans buying Mexican land is how that whole mess started.

No... you misunderstood. Americans buying Mexican land is how that whole mess started.

They were invited as homesteaders and may have been made Mexican citizens if it weren't for political problems of the time. That was almost 200 years ago now - I think we can handle a little commerce. ;) Mexicans seem to live well enough in the U.S. without plotting coups, and their kids assimilate rather quickly, in genreal.

They were invited as homesteaders and may have been made Mexican citizens if it weren't for political problems of the time. That was almost 200 years ago now - I think we can handle a little commerce. ;) Mexicans seem to live well enough in the U.S. without plotting coups, and their kids assimilate rather quickly, in general.

Yeah, I guess without the slavery problem, there would be less problems.

No. US imperialism must never be allowed to go this far.

It is inevitable, soon American Imperial forces will have enough oil robbed from Iraq to finish completion of the Death Ship, a floating platform powerful enough to destroy a country in a single shot, and then it will be the end of your pitiful little rebellion. :p

Nevar!

We would be forced to open our borders, getting rid of something which isn't working anyway. We don't do that here in the U.S.A. I don't know where you are from, but here we stick to Tradition.(unless we don't) We won't surrender our liberties to those tapeworms. We won't forget 9/!!. We won't forget the battle of..Sitting Bull. We won't forget the Alamo.

Remember The Alamo!!

Hey there would be less illegal immigrants, all that tequilla is tempting, and we already do have New Mexico, why not complete the set?...but...we would have to learn spanish...but we can force them to speak English right? :rolleyes:

Hey there would be less illegal immigrants, all that tequilla is tempting, and we already do have New Mexico, why not complete the set?...but...we would have to learn spanish...but we can force them to speak English right?

Good point. I say english for everyone. And maybe that click language that's used in the Kalahari desert.

Hey there would be less illegal immigrants, all that tequilla is tempting, and we already do have New Mexico, why not complete the set?...but...we would have to learn spanish...but we can force them to speak English right?

Check out the assimilation thread.

We may have already won.

Check out the assimilation thread.

We may have already won.

Already won what?...Assimilation?

Good point. I say english for everyone. And maybe that click language that's used in the Kalahari desert.

I like spanish though....:(

Already won what?...Assimilation?

The Arsehole Country of the Year award.

1) give california back gringo, we'll you keep texas
2)why in gods name would Americans want to be responsible for 50 million illegal aliens?

The Arsehole Country of the Year award.

oh...:)

1) give california back gringo, we'll you keep texas
2)why in gods name would Americans want to be responsible for 50 million illegal aliens?

1. What?
2. They wouldn't be illegal then..?

The US should of took over there whole country during Mexican American War. Think about it, Mexico wouldn't be so crappy, there wouldn't be a border problem(well actually there would be), there may of been at least one Mexican president by today, and we would have more diversity, sort of.

We're already responsible for 12 million illegal aliens, Mexico obviously sucks, there's no "empire" about it. The only people who benefit from Mexico's kleptocracy limping along are the white elites of Chilangolandia. I don't think Mexico could or should be swallowed in one bite, but if the Mexican people continue to desert their land by the hundreds of thousands every year, what's the harm in having Americans buy up all that empty real estate? (some of it beachfront!)

So we move into the northernmost states first, from Baja to Tamaulipas, We'll bring money and jobs, and eventually institutions of universal education and responsible local government.

The US should of took over there whole country during Mexican American War. Think about it, Mexico wouldn't be so crappy, there wouldn't be a border problem(well actually there would be), there may of been at least one Mexican president by today, and we would have more diversity, sort of.

*cough* Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad *cough*

Mexico has considerable reserves of oil and natural gas. There's really no reason for that country to be such a shithole.

Blame Pemex, Mexico's state run oil company that loses a gallon of gas for every 2 gallons it produces.

Oh and, Most of the US doesn't want to add any territory to the country, we are happy with what we have.

it will never happen it like NZ becaming another state or territory to us

I think that Australia will end up 'liberating' NZ some day...

*cough* Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad *cough*

The horror, the horror ;) .

Let's just take the baja peninsula and cancun area, thats all we need!

I'd like the idea of merging Mexico into the US. It'd stop illegal immigration from Mexico and Mexico wouldn't be so god damn poor. We should do the same thing with China. Can never have too much cheap labor and economic growth. And an alliance with China would be the first step towards Firefly.

I'd prefer that we merge with Canada.

And instead of mexico joining us, we can sell them Texas. Everyone wins!

I'd prefer that we merge with Canada.

And instead of mexico joining us, we can sell them Texas. Everyone wins!


I for one, living in texas, DO NOT want to live under mexican flag...

Then convince your fellow texans not to vote for nutcases like Dubya.

Ok, so this is something my parents mentioned the other night that I just thought was interesting.
Basically they said the US and Mexico should consider making it another state or territory like Puerto Rico, because of the benefits it would bring Mexico and the States.

So I was wondering what you all thought of this idea.

It's low-level fantapolitics.


The United Mexican States comprise a constitutional republican federation of thirty-one states and a federal district, Mexico City, one of the most populous cities on Earth.

Why should an independent federation want to become a colony like Puerto Rico, or join as a single state another union of 50 states? (51 if we count England;))

Plus,

AG Aguascalientes
BC Baja California
BS Baja California Sur
CH Chihuahua
CL Colima
CM Campeche
CO Coahuila
CS Chiapas
(DF Distrito Federal)
DG Durango
GR Guerrero
GT Guanajuato
HG Hidalgo
JA Jalisco
MI Michoacán
MO Morelos
MX Mexico
NA Nayarit
NL Nuevo León
OA Oaxaca
PU Puebla
QR Quintana Roo
QT Querétaro
SI Sinaloa
SL San Luis Potosí
SO Sonora
TB Tabasco
TL Tlaxcala
TM Tamaulipas
VE Veracruz
YU Yucatán
ZA Zacatecas

I doubt that the US would ever allow 62 Mexican senators in the US Senate.

Im from Mexico, Mexico City, and well... i'd love the merging idea (USA-México), but just if the United States government wouldnt be so militaristic and without that politics of 'preventive wars' (its not true, its more an investment because is just an exchange of blood and lifes for the oil, in the Iraq case). Its a inhuman maquiavelism.

So... I cant find honorable the fact to be part of that kind of nation. No with that imperialist politics. I think the american people is pretty passive about their politic questions. You have to change your goverment.

Sorry for my english.
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Soy de México, de la ciudad de México, y bueno... me encantaría la idea de que EE.UU. y México se fusionaran, pero siempre y cuando el gobierno norteamericano no fuera tan militarista, sin aquella política de 'guerra preventiva' (que ni es cierto, pues es más que nada una 'inversión' porque no es más que un intercambio de sangre y vidas por petróleo, en el caso iraquí). Es un maquiavelismo inhumano.

Así pues... No puedo hallar honorable el hecho de formar parte de esa singular nación. No si sigue con esa política imperialista. Creo que la gente estadounidense es muy pasiva en sus cuestiones políticas. Tienen que cambiar su gobierno.

Gracias

Mexico has considerable reserves of oil and natural gas. There's really no reason for that country to be such a shithole.

Has anybody noticed that nations near the equator tend to have worse conditions then nations a distance away from the equator?

Im from Mexico, Mexico City, and well... i'd love the merging idea (USA-México), but just if the United States government wouldnt be so militaristic and without that politics of 'preventive wars' (its not true, its more an investment because is just an exchange of blood and lifes for the oil, in the Iraq case). Its a inhuman maquiavelism.

So you suggest to wait until someone invades the United Sates, and after they are done shooting in our streets, we attack them?

So you suggest to wait until someone invades the United Sates, and after they are done shooting in our streets, we attack them?

Of course! Lets have another 9-11!

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