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Hey, I can't make this stuff up... ('http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/arabs1967_war')

CAIRO, Egypt - Forty years after Israel's stunning victory over three Arab armies, the defeat still lingers in the Arab world — so much so, some blame it for everything from a lack of democracy in the region to the rise of religious extremism.

On June 5, 1967, Israeli warplanes destroyed 400 aircraft belonging to Egypt,
Syria, Jordan and Iraq — most of them sitting on airport tarmacs. Egypt lost the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip, Syria gave up the Golan Heights, and Jordan relinquished the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Trying to minimize the defeat, Arabs have long called the Six Day War the "naksa," or "setback," but its impact remains a deep wound.

Egyptian columnist Wael Abdel Fattah wrote in the independent weekly Al-Fagr newspaper that Arabs blame the defeat for "everything" — from "price hikes, dictatorship, religious extremism, sectarian strife, even sexual impotence."

Crop failure, uppity women, the decline of vinyl records, constipation, hemorrhoids, etc.

You know, I haven't seen Germany whining about losing WW II, and they seem to have moved on, and upwards. Maybe the Arabs need to stop blaming the Jews for everything, and concentrate on modernizing their own societies from the ground up.

My classic example of what they should do is what the Japanese did during the Meiji period. Abandon as much of the past as possible, study the West, and use whatever resources necessary to educate the populace in Western technology, and Western ways, and use whatever beliefs, systems, processes, and technology from the West that will bring the nations to a par with the West.

Otherwise, they'll continue to have their asses kicked.

Exactly! Israel is the vanguard of the West in the Middle East against radical Islam!

My classic example of what they should do is what the Japanese did during the Meiji period. Abandon as much of the past as possible, study the West, and use whatever resources necessary to educate the populace in Western technology, and Western ways, and use whatever beliefs, systems, processes, and technology from the West that will bring the nations to a par with the West.

....and then go off on a killing spree?. Wow, what fucking progress that would be.

I'd imagine the lad who wrote that piece did so with a bit of humour...sadly unaware that every Arabphobic bigot would jump on it....

Best thread title this week.

Remote Observer, you really don't have very good impulse control, do you?

Go to the middle east. Talk about their issues as you do here. Get shot dead.

I've been to the Middle East many, many, many times. However, it turns out that I wasn't the one shot dead - it was the other way around.

Best thread title this week.

Particularily as neither "Jew" nor "Jewish" is mentioned in the article.

Remote Observer, you really don't have very good impulse control, do you?

Go to the middle east. Talk about their issues as you do here. Get shot dead.

Seems to show how tolerant of other's views so many in the middle east seem to be.

I've been to the Middle East many, many, many times. However, it turns out that I wasn't the one shot dead - it was the other way around.

Strangely enough, I always reckoned you'd taken one to the head. Either that, or below the belt, if the compensation-by-concealed-weapon-permit-talk was anything to go by......

I've been to the Middle East many, many, many times. However, it turns out that I wasn't the one shot dead - it was the other way around.

So you admit to imposing your views by lethal force.

Not surprising for Deep Kimchi/EVE Online.

My classic example of what they should do is what the Japanese did during the Meiji period. Abandon as much of the past as possible, study the West, and use whatever resources necessary to educate the populace in Western technology, and Western ways, and use whatever beliefs, systems, processes, and technology from the West that will bring the nations to a par with the West.


Yay for cultural imperialism!

So you admit to imposing your views by lethal force.

Not surprising for Deep Kimchi/EVE Online.

He was there as a soldier. So he claimed. But he also claimed that "killing Muslims is better than orgasm." I have nothing but utter contempt for this ... person.

Originally Posted by Nobel Hobos
Remote Observer, you really don't have very good impulse control, do you?

Go to the middle east. Talk about their issues as you do here. Get shot dead.

I have been to Israel about five times, and I openly discuss matters with Palestinians in East Jerusalem quite a lot. I just have to be careful not to rub it in their faces too much ("Well, we won and you lost. Get over it")

So.

I heard Israel is causing that Hurricane to hit Oman and Iran. Jews have weather control powers you know.

I heard Israel is causing that Hurricane to hit Oman and Iran. Jews have weather control powers you know.

Perhaps they do, though what that has to do with this thread I have no idea. As pointed out earlier the article doesn't mention "Jews" or "Jewish Aggression".

I find ithilarious that any Arab would hold a grudge over the Six Day War considering it's not like Israel was the attacker...

....and then go off on a killing spree?. Wow, what fucking progress that would be.


What bullshit. There is nothing inherent in modern western politics about k1ll1ng spr33s, RO was obviously referring to western economies anyway. And you know, western economies tend to do shitloads better then eastern, so yeah there would be progress.

But I guess you'd rather have the middle east a backwards peice of chaotic shit, because that's really progress. :rolleyes:

What bullshit. There is nothing inherent in modern western politics about k1ll1ng spr33s, RO was obviously referring to western economies anyway. And you know, western economies tend to do shitloads better then eastern, so yeah there would be progress.

The same western economy that's outsourcing production and information systems over to China and India you mean?

Besides which RO admits to being part of the Deep Kimchi Gang, so it's de rigeur that his motivation for posting this always includes a deeply held desire for Muslim Genocide to occur.

But I guess you'd rather have the middle east a backwards peice of chaotic shit, because that's really progress. :rolleyes:

And after Dear Leader's brilliant and justified invasion of Iraq, the Middle East is a much more progressive and orderly society now.

The same western economy that's outsourcing production and information systems over to China and India you mean?


Yeah, and those countries are actually a lot better off because of it.


Besides which RO admits to being part of the Deep Kimchi Gang, so it's de rigeur that his motivation for posting this always includes a deeply held desire for Muslim Genocide to occur.


Theres a Deep Kimichi gang?


And after Dear Leader's brilliant and justified invasion of Iraq, the Middle East is a much more progressive and orderly society now.

Following a western ecenomic model, and have your country practically destroyed (at least central areas) are very different things.

Yeah, and those countries are actually a lot better off because of it.

Until of course China or India gets the idea of seizing those centers or staging an embargo with them. Self-suffiency is what the West had been about long ago.

Theres a Deep Kimichi gang?

Whispering Legs, Sierra BTHP, Deep Kimchi, Eve Online and now Remote Observer. They're admitted to have been account names shared by more than one people, after so many years of Corny-grade denial of reality. And still going.

The only problem about this is that World War II and The War(s) in the middle east have two different political backdrops. Germany never complained about losing because their war was a war of agression against a set enemy and in which their aquisition of territories was known by them and the allies not to be theirs.

Now, in the middle east, the arabs (which only united under this banner after the creation of Israel in 1949) feel as though Israel rightfully belongs to the Palestinians (which is less of a national identity than jews are). So, this "war" of theirs never stops, and thus, they will complain about any "setback" they might experience, to them the war of 1969 never ended.

What bullshit. There is nothing inherent in modern western politics about k1ll1ng spr33s, RO was obviously referring to western economies anyway.

RO referred to Meji restoration Japan specifically. He's the kind of person that caused the words "war" and "mongerer" to become closely related. I rest my case.

I had to cut the lawn today, I blame those damned Jews!

Hey, I can't make this stuff up... ('http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/arabs1967_war')..SNIP...

Well, they have to blame Israel because they couldn't blame Bush for this one...but then...hell...why not? It isn't Israel's fault...it's Bush's fault...:D

I had to cut the lawn today, I blame those damned Jews!


Article doesn't mention them. What Jews have to do with your Irish lawn is something you and the psychiatric proffession must discover together.

Particularily as neither "Jew" nor "Jewish" is mentioned in the article.

The Six Day War was mentioned, though. I think there were Jews involved in that. :p

Article doesn't mention them. What Jews have to do with your Irish lawn is something you and the psychiatric proffession must discover together.

Awwww, but I wanna blame the jews for everything :(

Lucky Arabs.

The Six Day War was mentioned, though. I think there were Jews involved in that. :p

So rumour has it. There is, I think it fair to say, a marked contrast with the title of this thread and the content of the article however.

People who have never met a Jew spend their entire lives blaming them. Don't let lack of facts, reason, or indeed Jews in the vicinity, stop you.

Wooooo!
*blames jews*

Awwww, but I wanna blame the jews for everything :(


People who have never met a Jew spend their entire lives blaming them. Don't let lack of facts, reason, or indeed Jews in the vicinity, stop you.

Hey, I can't make this stuff up... ('http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/arabs1967_war')



Crop failure, uppity women, the decline of vinyl records, constipation, hemorrhoids, etc.

You know, I haven't seen Germany whining about losing WW II, and they seem to have moved on, and upwards. Maybe the Arabs need to stop blaming the Jews for everything, and concentrate on modernizing their own societies from the ground up.

My classic example of what they should do is what the Japanese did during the Meiji period. Abandon as much of the past as possible, study the West, and use whatever resources necessary to educate the populace in Western technology, and Western ways, and use whatever beliefs, systems, processes, and technology from the West that will bring the nations to a par with the West.

Otherwise, they'll continue to have their asses kicked.

They'd have to use logic to figure out that the war is over, they lost, and to just make peace with Israel.

And funny thing about religious extremist, they don't use logic.

So what they'll do is continue to whine, complain, and blame Israel. Because in truth, Israel is the only thing keeping them from turning on eachother.

And funny thing about religious extremist, they don't use logic.

Er... yeah... Most Middle Eastern nations aren't run by "religious extremists". Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan (and the former Iraq) are relatively democratic and secular, with Lebanon being the best example. Only Iran is a fully blown theocracy.

I've been to the Middle East many, many, many times. However, it turns out that I wasn't the one shot dead - it was the other way around.
Likewise. But I've told the company that I'm not going to a Muslim country again unless I can pack heat.

The Arabs will really miss Israel if it ever goes away.

The Arabs will really miss Israel if it ever goes away.

Nah. They'd just turn on Iran.

The Sunni/Shia conflict has been a lot longer (and a lot bloodier) than the Arab/Israeli one.

Exactly! Israel is the vanguard of the West in the Middle East against radical Islam!

Also erections.

Yeah? Is this a major suprise? The politics of the modern middle east changed shockingly during the 6-days war. Pan-Arab politics lost their force, the power balance fell from the Ba'athist states, and fell to the monarchies. There are still refugees some 40 years later.

Well-derailed thread.
*tsk*

You know, I haven't seen Germany whining about losing WW II, and they seem to have moved on, and upwards. Maybe the Arabs need to stop blaming the Jews for everything, and concentrate on modernizing their own societies from the ground up.

My classic example of what they should do is what the Japanese did during the Meiji period. Abandon as much of the past as possible, study the West, and use whatever resources necessary to educate the populace in Western technology, and Western ways, and use whatever beliefs, systems, processes, and technology from the West that will bring the nations to a par with the West.

Otherwise, they'll continue to have their asses kicked.

All your examples here are ill placed.

You cannot make an analogy with Germany because unlike the arab states, Germany was forced to endure an unconditional surrender, total foreign occupation aswell as being forced to acknowledge their war atrocities which destroyed their percieved manifest destiny. The Arabs on the other hand still feel that they suffer injustice due to the existance of the jewish state.

You analogy with Japan is partly false, because although they copied many western principals such as german law, western technology etc, you falsly implied they copied western ideals and beliefs. This is utter non-sense. Japan after the Meiji revolution might have been a nation-state but it was a militaristic one, that had an emperor as a divine being and held little love for western ideas besides colonisation.

Also...didn't the japanese still "had their asses kicked" even after all those improvements?