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OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean? Honestly. Like, was George Bush not enough to prove that the South is incapable of running a country? Do the neo-confederates still believe the central government is too strong (though ask any redneck around here and they could tell you very little on the states rights issue), is it just Southern pride going too far, or do they just want to own a black man?

OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean? Honestly. Like, was George Bush not enough to prove that the South is incapable of running a country? Do the neo-confederates still believe the central government is too strong (though ask any redneck around here and they could tell you very little on the states rights issue), is it just Southern pride going too far, or do they just want to own a black man?

I've never heard a Southerner say "the South will rise again" in a serious tone. Is that common where you live? Also, GWB is from West Texas, which though Southern, isn't the same as, say, South Carolina. "The South" is not one homogenous bloc.

You do realize that up until the civil war, most if not all US presidents (including Washington) were Southerners, right?

Its just meaningless drivel, they probably don't know anything about politics, and probably don't know what they want the south to rise to.

Is that common where you live?
Believe it or not, I live in Florida, and - even though it isn't Alabama or Georgia - I still hear the crap every one in a while. If not heard, it is read...compliments to kids wearing Dixie Outfitters.

I am from Panama City Beach. It is busy and filled with rebel battle flags when Spring Break hits, and especially during tourist season in the Summer.

You do realize that up until the civil war, most if not all US presidents (including Washington) were Southerners, right?
Yes, I do. Which is one reason why I fail to comprehend what they mean by rising again.

Its just meaningless drivel, they probably don't know anything about politics, and probably don't know what they want the south to rise to.
That's the same conclusion I came to as well.

I've never heard a Southerner say "the South will rise again" in a serious tone. Is that common where you live? Also, GWB is from West Texas, which though Southern, isn't the same as, say, South Carolina. "The South" is not one homogenous bloc.

When you say West Texas, do you mean Connecticut?

I've never heard a Southerner say "the South will rise again" in a serious tone. Is that common where you live? Also, GWB is from West Texas, which though Southern, isn't the same as, say, South Carolina. "The South" is not one homogenous bloc.

George W. Bush is from a very affluent suburb of New Haven Connecticut, went to college in connecticut, and graduate school in Cambridge, MA. He is by no means a "southerner"

When you say West Texas, do you mean Connecticut?

No, I think he grew up in Texas. Not that it's a big issue, I don't think. :p

George W. Bush is from a very affluent suburb of New Haven Connecticut, went to college in connecticut, and graduate school in Cambridge, MA. He is by no means a "southerner"

I went to college out of my home state. I still consider myself more of my original state than my more recent one. But again, as former governor of Texas, I thing GWB is sufficiently a part of that state. :p

No, I think he grew up in Texas. Not that it's a big issue, I don't think. :p

It is just funny to point out. Like him being a cheerleader. Honestly, it seems people don't find him being a cheerleader funny anymore.

Plus, you have to realize, certain members of the nation's youth think its cool to celebrate a part of some of their heritage their parents look down upon. And for Spring Break goers, its just a cute little part of Southern life to go along with Spring Break. You give a student enough booze, and you could sell them the clothes they are already wearing.

No, I think he grew up in Texas. Not that it's a big issue, I don't think. :p

It depends on the bullshit act you put on to portray yourself a certain way, i guess ... that and the people you purport to emulate.

as former governor of Texas, I thing GWB is sufficiently a part of that state. :pYeah, especially if you're lucky enough to be scheduled for state-sanctioned termination.
Even more popular with the mentally disabled, iirc.

It depends on the bullshit act you put on to portray yourself a certain way, i guess ... that and the people you purport to emulate.

All politics is an act to some degree. At least his accent is more consistent than some other politicians'. :p

I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:

You know, there are ignorant asses all over the USA, not just the south. Like the rednecks here in New York with Confederate Battle flage in the rear window of their pickups.

All politics is an act to some degree. At least his accent is more consistent than some other politicians'. :p

Like Princess Leia?

His accent is mostly consistent with his tenuous grasps on logic and English, simultaneously.

I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:

Hey, at least he had teeth to pick ;)

I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:Peechy!!!!!!

TG me?

Peechy!!!!!!

TG me?


I cant :(

I asked the Mods to restore me and they did.......but I can only post in the forum, I cant log into my nation. I dunno why. But you can tg me and maybe i can sign in soon!

Hey, at least he had teeth to pick

haha....touche! I live in Ga, so I'm surrounded by guys in 4x4's with and without teeth

I cant :(

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EDIT: havin' some trouble.
Hmmm.

I've lived in Austin for almost 10 years and I've never heard someone say, "The South shall rise again" in a serious tone.

Then again, Austin is probably the most liberal city in the USA. :p

When you say West Texas, do you mean Connecticut?

George W. Bush is from a very affluent suburb of New Haven Connecticut, went to college in connecticut, and graduate school in Cambridge, MA. He is by no means a "southerner"
He was born in CT, but moved to Texas at the age of 3. He then attended school in CT and MA after he was 18. That means he was raised in TX (15 years), which, as far as I'm concerned makes him Texan (granted, I may just want to absolve my state of him)
I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:
*blinks*

*rubs eyes*







*tackles*

Then again, Austin is probably the most liberal city in the USA. :p

Impossible! San Francisco cannot be beaten!

*seconds*

PIG PILE ON SCARLET! :p

edit: even before SJS seconded the movement. I'm so damn impressive.

*blinks*

*rubs eyes*







*tackles*
*seconds*

Impossible! San Francisco cannot be beaten!

You're probably right, I guess we don't have anything to rival with the Castro District.

I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:
Hey peechy long time no see :fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean?

Bedroom talk about how they don't need Viagra to keep going :p

He was born in CT, but moved to Texas at the age of 3. He then attended school in CT and MA after he was 18. That means he was raised in TX (15 years), which, as far as I'm concerned makes him Texan (granted, I may just want to absolve my state of him)

*blinks*

*rubs eyes*







*tackles*
PIG PILE ON SCARLET!


I so love getting Pig Piled. :fluffle:

hmm...that sounded so different in my head.


*slobbers all over Cutty Sark, SJS& UT*

erm. cuz thats how we show love down hear in the Sowf.umm.. yeah.

I so love getting Pig Piled. :fluffle:

hmm...that sounded so different in my head.


*slobbers all over Cutty Sark, SJS& UT*

erm. cuz thats how we show love down hear in the Sowf.umm.. yeah.

hahaha...great to have you back, my darling.

I tried to tg you a while back and it said you were deleted...I got sad.
Great to see that you're still alive and kicking tho...I assume the new job (well, not so new, I suppose) is going well?

Clearly they wish to return to the mountain range they were before Lincoln ordered his bombers to start carpet bombing. >_>

Also http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28559

Clearly they wish to return to the mountain range they were before Lincoln ordered his bombers to start carpet bombing. >_>

Also http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28559

Winner of thread?

I so love getting Pig Piled. :fluffle:

hmm...that sounded so different in my head.


*slobbers all over Cutty Sark, SJS& UT*

erm. cuz thats how we show love down hear in the Sowf.umm.. yeah.

A good, wholesome kinda love!

I am from Panama City Beach. It is busy and filled with rebel battle flags when Spring Break hits, and especially during tourist season in the Summer.




Hi neighbor. I live in Destin, and I TOTALLY feel your pain.

If it makes you feel better, the problem isnt the south so much as the deep south -- which doesn't include Florida.

I've never heard a Southerner say "the South will rise again" in a serious tone. Is that common where you live? Also, GWB is from West Texas, which though Southern, isn't the same as, say, South Carolina. "The South" is not one homogenous bloc.

GWB was born in Connecticut.

GWB was born in Connecticut.

And still moved to texas when he was 3. He isn't a Connecticutanian. Fuck, he couldn't even pronounce Connecticutanian.

And still moved to texas when he was 3. He isn't a Connecticutanian. Fuck, he couldn't even pronounce Connecticutanian.

Too many syllables - heck, even "East Timor" had too many syllables.

Possibly because I'm not sure that's what an inhabitant of CT is called.

In the meanwhile Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and, more importantly, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other unimportant people like that, were also from the South.

GWB was born in Connecticut.

I know. I said he "grew up" in Texas. Which is still true. ;)

Too many syllables - heck, even "East Timor" had too many syllables.

maybe we could try Connecticutter?

When you say West Texas, do you mean Connecticut?

No, He's not from Connecticut. That's a filthy rumor started by those damn Rhode Islanders! :mad:

Possibly because I'm not sure that's what an inhabitant of CT is called.


According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter". There are numerous other terms coined in print, but not in use, such as: "Connecticotian" - Cotton Mather in 1702. "Connecticutensian" - Samuel Peters in 1781. "Nutmegger" is sometimes used, as is "Yankee."[13] The traditional abbreviation of the state's name is "Conn."; the official postal abbreviation is CT.



From wikipedia. I like Nutmegger. :p

maybe we could try Connecticutter?

Connetican? That he might can do.

oh who am I kidding?

From wikipedia. I like Nutmegger. :p

I'm with Pete.....Nutmegger wins.

Possibly because I'm not sure that's what an inhabitant of CT is called.

In the meanwhile Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and, more importantly, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other unimportant people like that, were also from the South.

We generally go by Connecticutter or Connecticutanian.

As for famous people, Eli Whitney, Nathan Hale, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mark Twain, John Brown, Charles Ives, Katharine Hepburn, James Wright, Noah Webster, Seth MacFarlane, Sam Colt, Charles Goodyear...

I'm with Pete.....Nutmegger wins.

It's almost dirty. :)

We generally go by Connecticutter or Connecticutanian.

As for famous people, Eli Whitney, Nathan Hale, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mark Twain, John Brown, Charles Ives, Katharine Hepburn, James Wright, Noah Webster, Seth MacFarlane, Sam Colt, Charles Goodyear...

Michael Bolton. :(

Michael Bolton. :(

Quiet you!

you know we try to keep that on the dl

maybe we could try Connecticutter?

That might work. 'sides, he gives nicknames to everything anyways.
Good thing too, since he's earned a few from me over the years .... :eek:

"The South will rise again!"


And then it will fall again!

We generally go by Connecticutter or Connecticutanian.

As for famous people, Eli Whitney, Nathan Hale, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mark Twain, John Brown, Charles Ives, Katharine Hepburn, James Wright, Noah Webster, Seth MacFarlane, Sam Colt, Charles Goodyear...

You are missing my point.

My point is that Southerners are perfectly capable of runnig the country - q.v. lots of Southern presidents from all parties.

You are missing my point.

My point is that Southerners are perfectly capable of runnig the country - q.v. lots of Southern presidents from all parties.

Very true, Jimmy Carter aside. ;)

I would think the South has already risen again. It doesn't look like one can be President these days without appealing to the south.

One's got to be appealing to the Christian Right (not exclusively a southern phenomenon, buy you know what I mean), appear tough on immigration (certainly more an issue in the south than in the north, I would think), fight them durrn turrists (you've gotta say it in like a Texas accent for it to make sense ;)) and so on and so forth.

But maybe Hillary will prove me wrong. But even then it looks like a lot of the big political issues seem to spread northwards, not the other way around.

I would think the South has already risen again. It doesn't look like one can be President these days without appealing to the south.

One's got to be appealing to the Christian Right (not exclusively a southern phenomenon, buy you know what I mean), appear tough on immigration (certainly more an issue in the south than in the north, I would think), fight them durrn turrists (you've gotta say it in like a Texas accent for it to make sense ;)) and so on and so forth.

But maybe Hillary will prove me wrong. But even then it looks like a lot of the big political issues seem to spread northwards, not the other way around.

Hillary? Don't count on it. ;)

You don't need to be a Southerner - we only had three Southern presidents in the 20th Century - Carter, Clinton and LBJ - *I think* - But it helps not to be a complete phoney. 80% phoney will do, but not Hillary-level phoniness. I'd say her odds are slim. :p

Edit: I think Woodrow was from VA, but may have grown up elsewhere. I'm fuzzy on that. Also possibly Eisenhower. Hm.

Double Edit: Nevermind about Eisenhower - he was only briefly in Texas and apparently grew up in Kansas. :)

every place on the face of the planet will 'rise again' when prejudices and chauvanisms are perminently assigned to ancient history and this world is no longer dominated by a culture of austentation and destructiveness.

indeed, the american 'south', that 'white' anglo protestant aspect of it, is more spiritualy impoverished then many less fortunate nations are materialy.

oversized and over powerful nations, the quality of life for real people in them, would, i strongly suspect, greatly bennifit, from a divestiture to bioregionalsim, along with divesting themselves of the defacto economic colonization which prevents people in other places from living gratifyingly in harmony with their natural surroundings.

and what else is there, of any meaning or value, to 'rise', then the experiential qualities of life, for all individuals?

=^^=
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OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean? Honestly. Like, was George Bush not enough to prove that the South is incapable of running a country? Do the neo-confederates still believe the central government is too strong (though ask any redneck around here and they could tell you very little on the states rights issue), is it just Southern pride going too far, or do they just want to own a black man?

the state's right's issue is a legitimate one. I'm an 11th generation Pennsylvanian and I'm still quite convinced that the south had every right to secede from the union. a strong centralized government is, in my opinion, what will ultimately ruin the american democratic process. the pre-federalist state governments made grassroots democracy a reality and participation in the political process a much more likely thing for the majority of the pubilc. federalism and the constitution (as opposed to the articles of confederation) was undeniably an attempt by the economic elite to control the national economy and make sure it didn't benefit the average man more than the aristocratic capitalist. (rhode island under the articles went completely socialist, which prompted the constitutional convention...none of the anti-federalist majority attended because the constitution was ratified illegally and they weren't expecting the aristocracy to re-write the rules) - the "federalists" as we know them today even stole the opposition party's name. the federalist papers were published at a time when the party opposing the constitution and defending the articles of confederation was known as the "federalists" - the party against the articles of confederation had no hope of winning because the public overwhelmingly supported the articles of confederation...so they lied. it's the equivalent of the republican party changing it's name to "democrat" and publishing the republican platform under that name. by the time people figured out what had happened it was too late to change the vote. it was ingenious but it was also completely dishonest and motivated by greed. (the power of contract law is one of the main focuses on the change to the constitution, and was irrelevant to most of the public, who were enacting paleo-socialist laws due to the mass-debt following the war) I'm a strong advocate of confederacy...the pre-constitutional version, though, not the southern one so much. the war wasn't about slavery anyway...the abolitionist movement was started and largely controlled by a vocal pacifist minority of quakers and mennonites...the people who actually ran the underground railroad by and large opposed the war, and were horribly mistreated as "unpatriotic" for doing so.

"The South will rise again!"


And the north will be 2-0!

I honestly believe it's because the Rednecks just ran out of stupid things to say one day, and after a few cases of Budweiser- someone named Earl piped up and yelled, " THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN....WOOHOO!"

and then Earl got in his 4x4 and rode off into the sunset picking his teeth.


You know, it annoys me to no end when I see a bumper sticker that says that too. :rolleyes:

I live in rural North Carolina, and I rarely hear the phrase. I do see a lot of Confederate flags though.

I live in rural North Carolina, and I rarely hear the phrase. I do see a lot of Confederate flags though.
I think it's mostly something for a drunk redneck to shout, while driving around with Confederate flags stuck in the stake pockets of his pickup truck.

And when they need to get a cheer from the spectators at the Stone Mountain laser show, they paint it across the mountain.

That phrase is always amusing. The idea of state's rights and state identity over national identity is almost completely lost. In the early to mid 19th century it was common to refer to oneself by the state you were from, today almost everyone in the US refers to themselves as American. The economic situation alone with interstate commerce in the US would alone prevent any sort of seperation from the union. The only states that could survive economically apart from the US, would be California and Nevada, neither of which are in the south.

Mostly when people say that phrase, they are imagining the glory of the Confederacy, which was as stricken with as many problems as the 13 colonies were when they first seperated from the British Empire such as worthless currency, lack of industry, constant battles on the confederate soil, high disease fatalities, lack of basic goods such as food, and the list goes on.

But I must say here in Virginia, I have heard "the South will rise again," maybe once or twice in my entire life.

I've never heard "The South will rise again!" in anything but a joking tone.

In fact, I've lived in Texas for about 15 years, and I don't know if I've ever heard that phrase, period. Seen it typed a few times, though.

That phrase is always amusing. The idea of state's rights and state identity over national identity is almost completely lost.

I certainly wouldn't say that. State's rights, until 2001, has been a recurring theme among Republicans. Bush even said that (to paraphrase) no one was more in favor of states' rights than he. It ended up being bullshit, of course, but that's politics.

In the early to mid 19th century it was common to refer to oneself by the state you were from, today almost everyone in the US refers to themselves as American.

Really? Whenever I'm in Europe (as I am now) most Americans I meet introduce themselves as being from whatever state they're from, even when talking to the locals. People (except Texans) do generally call themselves American, but I don't know that I've ever heard anyone say they were from "America" or the US.

The economic situation alone with interstate commerce in the US would alone prevent any sort of seperation from the union. The only states that could survive economically apart from the US, would be California and Nevada, neither of which are in the south.

Why on Earth would there be a disruption in trade between the states? A free trade agreement would almost certainly accompany any secession.

Mostly when people say that phrase, they are imagining the glory of the Confederacy, which was as stricken with as many problems as the 13 colonies were when they first seperated from the British Empire such as worthless currency, lack of industry, constant battles on the confederate soil, high disease fatalities, lack of basic goods such as food, and the list goes on.

But I must say here in Virginia, I have heard "the South will rise again," maybe once or twice in my entire life.

I'll agree, the Confederacy was quite silly. I don't believe that they had a justifiable reason to secede, and committed the worst mistake in all of history by attacking Fort Sumter, whether they were provoked into it or not.

Forgive me I was not very clear. The idea of State's rights in the US today is a far cry from what it was pre-1860. Although a few people do identify themselves as from what state they are from, most of them as far as my limited experience in this world, confined by my own observations, call themselves Americans, and after that a North Carolinian, New Yorker, etc...

Under the assumption of a state's seccession from the union, unless it was done under peaceful means, I was under the assumption that it would have ended trade at least temporarily with the rest of the USA. Of course seccession has only happened one time, in the USA, which is well over 140 years ago, so maybe times have changed and this would not be the case. Either way this is a bit off-topic. We can agree that "The South will rise again" at least in this day and age, under the current political, economic, and military situation is pretty unlikely.

OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean? Honestly. Like, was George Bush not enough to prove that the South is incapable of running a country? Do the neo-confederates still believe the central government is too strong (though ask any redneck around here and they could tell you very little on the states rights issue), is it just Southern pride going too far, or do they just want to own a black man?

It's because they're fucking morons.

An aquaintence of mine is a 'hard core redneck', says THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN! and has an AIM buddy icon of a man in love with the confederate flag.

Did I mention that he and I live in Connecticut?

OK, I've gone through my whole life living and breathing the South (the Southern states for those outside the US) and hear the phrase:

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean? Honestly. Like, was George Bush not enough to prove that the South is incapable of running a country? Do the neo-confederates still believe the central government is too strong (though ask any redneck around here and they could tell you very little on the states rights issue), is it just Southern pride going too far, or do they just want to own a black man?

I live in South Florida, and I've heard the phrase many times in a joking manner, but several times quite seriously.

I was pretty sure everyone in the south considered everything South of Tampa, Cuba.
I'm not sure, but I think they revoked our U.S Citizenship...

"The South will rise again!"

What the hell does that mean?

I dunno, offhand it sound like something from the trailer for a porn flick set in Atlanta.

The South has risen, and remarkably, too. Fifty years ago, it shared many of the aspects of modern third world nations: agrarian, highly stratified, impoverished, and truly backward, in every sense of the word. Yet, depending on how one defines the South (I think Ohio River/Potomac downward), it's the most populous region, and only gets larger by the year. Its the fastest growing area economically, the fastest growing manufacturing area in the United States, and from my trips down there, I still find it pleasant (with the exception of Florida). Pretty soon, it'll have plenty of its own well-defined cities, and become the economic, social, and intellectual engine that powers America.