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Circular Reasoning
Example: I'm correct because I'm smarter than you. And I must be smarter than you because I'm correct.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/CircularReasoning.gif

logical fallacy?

and give an example of it being used (by you...on something not trolly.....like why strawberry ice cream is best or something.....non-confrontational yeah)

Can I pick none of the above for $200 Alex? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

"The solar system must be younger than a million years because even if the sun was made of solid coal and oxygen it would have burned up within that time at the rate it generates heat." (An argument from ignorance, from 19th Century encyclopedias, based on the assumption that because there was no known means at that time of producing heat more efficient than coal, this logically put a limit on the Sun's possible age. In fact in the 20th Century with the discovery of radioactivity and nuclear fusion, the sun's age was more correctly dated at many billions of years old instead. The 'ignorance' in this case was the omission of considering whether there might be a more efficient generator of heat that has not yet been discovered, which had not been taken into account.)

Can I pick none of the above for $200 Alex? ;)

you have to like one......everyone does.

<actually that's rubbish so snip>

Erm, Argument from Ignorance is just annoying.
Appeal to Tradition makes my head hurt.

I'm going to have to go for...
Slippery Slope! Oft abused, mostly amused.

Another favorite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_Gaps

*There is a gap in scientific knowledge.
*The gap is filled with acts of a god (and therefore also proves, or helps to prove, the existence of said god).

"I don't understand it, therefore it must be wrong". There are plenty of serious examples, but I assume that only silly ones are considered "not trolly".

Circular Reasoning
Example: I'm correct because I'm smarter than you. And I must be smarter than you because I'm correct.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/CircularReasoning.gif

ZOMG! Ifreann steals and wins!

logical fallacy....

CROWD:
A witch! A witch!
[bonk]
A witch! A witch!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a witch. May we burn her?

CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
WITCH:
I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.

WITCH:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
WITCH:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a witch!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
A witch!
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]

CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch!
WITCH:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...

you have to like one......everyone does.

Ok then... it's not listed but it's something I call "weasel (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weasel&x=0&y=0) logic" - it makes no sense and the arguments are usually vague. Hence "weasel". But I call it logic because it's the only type of logic I can use. ;)

7. to use weasel words; be ambiguous

You'll usually see this if I post while high.

logical fallacy....

CROWD:
A witch! A witch!
[bonk]
A witch! A witch!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a witch. May we burn her?

CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
WITCH:
I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.

WITCH:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
WITCH:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a witch!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
A witch!
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]

CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch!
WITCH:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...


Monty Python FTW!

Unfortunatly I can't take any credit for the win.. it wasn't me who came up witht hat.

Monty Python FTW!


Follower: Only the true messiah would deny his own divinity
Brian: Well what chance does that give me, alright then I am the messiah
Crowd: The Messiah!
Brian: Now fuck off

:D

logical fallacy?

and give an example of it being used (by you...on something not trolly.....like why strawberry ice cream is best or something.....non-confrontational yeah)

The true Sctosman fallacy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)

logical fallacy?

and give an example of it being used (by you...on something not trolly.....like why strawberry ice cream is best or something.....non-confrontational yeah)

I can't decide between Circular Reasoning and No True Scotsman....

This thread is too hard :confused::(......I give up...:p

Slippery slope. "Well, if you want to allow people to abort babies with no heads, next thing, you'll let people abort babies 'cause they have down syndrome! Then 'cause they have brown hair!"

Oh, a cookie for whoever recognizes who did something VERY similar to that rant.

The Third Reich was a staunch supporter of Gun Control...So if you support Gun Control...You're a Nazi

Love equates to happiness. It doesn't on my part, it just depresses me.

There's no such thing as a "logical fallacy".

Yeah, the ostrich one.

Ostriches have two legs.
I have two legs.
Ergo, I'm an ostrich.
Question Easily Done.

Circular Reasoning
Example: I'm correct because I'm smarter than you. And I must be smarter than you because I'm correct.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/CircularReasoning.gif



Beam me up Scotty scans show there is no intelligent life left here.

hi people! i have no damn clue as to what i'm doing. so bye.

Yeah, the ostrich one.

Ostriches have two legs.
I have two legs.
Ergo, I'm an ostrich.
Question Easily Done.

If you Look like an ostritch
If you walk like an ostritch
If you sound like an ostritch

Then you must be an ostritch *nod*

hi people! i have no damn clue as to what i'm doing. so bye.

Argumentum ad Nauseum is my favourite

hi people! i have no damn clue as to what i'm doing. so bye.

Welcome to the forums :)

At the moment you're spamming...

Which is not good.

However, something that is good is to participate in an enthusiastic and polite manner to the discussions on these forums :)

hi people! i have no damn clue as to what i'm doing. so bye.

Ok bye :)

The true Sctosman fallacy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)

I like that one!

*ahem*

clears throat...

Begins in Scottish accent:

Ah Eat Because I am Unhappy... I'm Unhappy because Ah Eat

:D

No True Scotsman is good.
But let's try argumentum ad Hitlerium.
'Cause you get to call Godwin on it.

Does the babel fish proving that God doesn't exist by proving he does exist count?




[thread highjack]
The Third Reich was a staunch supporter of Gun Control...So if you support Gun Control...You're a Nazi

A huge percentage of houses in Iraq under Saddam had an AK-47 or some other gun in it. If you support an armed populace, you're just like Saddam.


[/thread highjack]

any of the creationist 'young earth' arguments.

I like that one!

What's not to love?

Wow, there are so many.

A little off true logical fallacy but:

He is a (conservative, liberal) anything he does is correct (or wrong).

Say it enough times and it becomes the truth. (talk radio)

When a person from my group does it it's (great, patriotic, brilliant) but when a person from the other group does it it's ( terrible, treasonous, stupid)

Don't have any reply to the argument call it a (strawman [new favorite], circular [old favorite])

____________ is what Jesus would do (even though the Bible give exactly opposite information)

An actual circular: The (Bible, Koran, etc) is correct because it says it's correct, therefore the (Bible, Koral, etc.) is correct.

An actual strawman: Listen to Sean Hannity any day of the week, 3 hours per day. (Ok, I couldn't help one troll, but I listen sometimes because I'm fascinated that people think he's actually logical and he breaks every rule of logic, especially strawman.)

____________ is what Jesus would do (even though the Bible give exactly opposite information)
that one annoys me. I dislike it when people try to attribute their social/political/economic whatever to Jesus, like he actually addressed any of that stuff......well, he did, but often not what they are claiming.

For example there is a woman in my neighborhood with a bumpersticker that says "Jesus would have voted green party"

whatever. :rolleyes:

So-and-so is a scruffy-looking nerf-herder, so OBVIOUSLY whatever he's saying has no merit!

Ah, the ad hominem.