NationStates Jolt Archive

I have been thinking recently regarding Iraq, there is tendency to dehumanize and alienate ourselves from the resistance in Iraq, but would it not be best to put ourselves in their shoes, they being the common people of Iraq. If you were an Iraqi and you saw your country go to hell in a handbasket, would you take up arms against anyone you thought to be the cause of the problem, shia, sunni, mehdi, american etc etc?

Well, yeah. But thats irellavent to most of the issues here. War does not intend to treat the opponents nicely. Thats the way it is.

thats the part we arent good at, differentiating between average iraqis wanting to defend themselves and their people and the outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends.

in theory we can work with the insurgents if we can convince them that our intentions are good. its hard to tell them from foreigners who are there to kill americans and set up a caliphate.

until we figure that part out, we just make more of a mess.

One day, we should have a no-Iraq day. Nothing on the news, teletext, radio, NSG threads, anything. That would be bliss.

thats the part we arent good at, differentiating between average iraqis wanting to defend themselves and their people and the outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends.

in theory we can work with the insurgents if we can convince them that our intentions are good. its hard to tell them from foreigners who are there to kill americans and set up a caliphate.

until we figure that part out, we just make more of a mess.

The American Forces are also "outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends". It's a war between competing outside agitators trying to convince Iraqis of their good intentions.

Fuck all of you nosey bastards. Go soak your heads.

The American Forces are also "outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends". It's a war between competing outside agitators trying to convince Iraqis of their good intentions.

Fuck all of you nosey bastards. Go soak your heads.We have a nice name for this, we call it Regime change (we try to get a friendly puppet in place.. sometimes in place of an old puppet who dont listen nomore)

The American Forces are also "outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends". It's a war between competing outside agitators trying to convince Iraqis of their good intentions.

Fuck all of you nosey bastards. Go soak your heads.

When they do it to us it's called terrorism, when we do it to them it's called liberation.:mp5:

When they do it to us it's called terrorism, when we do it to them it's called liberation.:mp5:
Excuse me - fuck off.

The American Forces are also "outside agitators who want only to destabilize iraq for their own ends". It's a war between competing outside agitators trying to convince Iraqis of their good intentions.

Fuck all of you nosey bastards. Go soak your heads.

Not so much, the US is currently in Iraq as a halfhearted attempt to correct for the instability we caused when we invaded. The US invaded out of the President's adherence to a non-functional ideology that promised order and stability right off the bat.

The ideology was wrong, and instability and disorder resulted. The US doesn't like instability and disorder and would love nothing better for Iraq to quiet down so that we can leave. Our current goal is to foster sufficient stability in Iraq so as to permit the installed government to take over command, control and combat from us and permit us to leave this nasty little misbegotten chapter of US FoPo behind.

It's the Al Qaeda types who want to destabilize Iraq and send it into a continual downward spiral; forcing the US to remain in country for an extremely long and nasty occupation that will continue to radicalize the middle east.

No, the US wants stability. We want it for our own ends, but your analysis of American policies is fundamentally flawed.

But I wouldn't expect any more than that from someone who grew up being spoon-fed Soviet propaganda, whilst living in a free and open western country.

We have a nice name for this, we call it Regime change (we try to get a friendly puppet in place.. sometimes in place of an old puppet who dont listen nomore)

Except Hussein never was an American puppet...if any argument can be made for his puppet-status, he would have been a Soviet puppet, French puppet, Egyptian Puppet and Brazilian Puppet way before he could even have been considered our puppet.

Except Hussein never was an American puppet...if any argument can be made for his puppet-status, he would have been a Soviet puppet, French puppet, Egyptian Puppet and Brazilian Puppet way before he could even have been considered our puppet.
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That doesn't mean he wasn't your puppet as well. Far from it. Simply that other people also had vested interests in Iraq over Iran.

Not so much, the US is currently in Iraq as a halfhearted attempt to correct for the instability we caused when we supported Saddam, and then a bit more after we invaded. The US invaded out of the President's adherence to a non-functional ideology that promised order and stability right off the bat.
Quite.
The ideology was wrong, and instability and disorder resulted. The US doesn't like instability and disorder and would love nothing better for Iraq to quiet down so that we can leave. Our current goal is to foster sufficient stability in Iraq so as to permit the installed government to take over command, control and combat from us and permit us to leave this nasty little misbegotten chapter of US FoPo behind.
Nah, it's going to be one of those stains that'll never go away, just like Vietnam, really. Can't just cut and run in terms of the public conscience, especially not when almost everyone around the world knows what's going on.
It's the Al Qaeda types who want to destabilize Iraq and send it into a continual downward spiral; forcing the US to remain in country for an extremely long and nasty occupation that will continue to radicalize the middle east.

No, the US wants stability. We want it for our own ends, but your analysis of American policies is fundamentally flawed.

But I wouldn't expect any more than that from someone who grew up being spoon-fed Soviet propaganda, whilst living in a free and open western country.
What the US wants is stability. Correct.

What it has to do to get it is to destabilise the powerful organisations in place in Iraq, for example some of the various militias. This means that destabilisation is taking place, it's just ostensibly more focused than that of Al Qaeda et al.

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That doesn't mean he wasn't your puppet as well. Far from it. Simply that other people also had vested interests in Iraq over Iran.

Oh, no. Hussein was very much his own man. No external forces had any control over him throughout his reign. No, he existed only to perpetuate his government and to expand his personal power, with a secondary goal of expanding the power of the al-Tikriti types..

No, he rose to power on his own, he owed his rise to no foreign powers and his decisions were made independent of any of the countries I listed. Hussein waged war without the permission of any other countries.

Hussein was no one's puppet.

We have a nice name for this, we call it Regime change (we try to get a friendly puppet in place.. sometimes in place of an old puppet who dont listen nomore)

Call it what you will but dog shit is still dog shit at the end of the day no matter how nicely you paint it.

Call it what you will but dog shit is still dog shit at the end of the day no matter how nicely you paint it.LOL..

You -little girl- have been trying -very hard- to pick up a fight with me.. havent ya?
specially this last month.

:D :p

Fuck all of you nosey bastards. Go soak your heads.


So thats why they tie themselves to planks and dunk their heads underwater for long periods......