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THE GOVERNATOR IS CAUGHT SMOKING A CUBAN CIGAR HE BOUGHT IN CANADA!!! :eek: :D

so apparently...
The U.S. embargo means it's not only illegal to sell them in the U.S., but it's illegal for Americans to smoke them anywhere.

*tries to think of a good pun*
...I got nothing :(

Whenever feasible I smoke nothing but Cubans. That blockade is antediluvian at best.

ETA -NM- 3rd article has it.

Partagas is a tasty cigar, a cigar that can knock a lesser man on his ass!

Not my favorite Habano, but nice nevertheless and in keeping with Arnie.

Schwarzeneggar's lungs: "I'll be black." Sigh. That just sucked.

Good for him. The embargo is stupid anyway.

Schwarzeneggar's lungs: "I'll be black." Sigh. That just sucked.

yea...that was terrible :(

Man...now I want a cigar...

Wait... why do they still have this embargo. The cold war is over.

*tries to think of a good pun*
...I got nothing :(
Need to think of one of his trademark movie quips and change it slightly.
"Hasta la vista, Baby" would be ideal, as it's already in Spanish.
Maybe through in a Clinton while you're at it, for old time's sake. Mixing two well-known pop-culture references together always produces a laugh.
Well, maybe not a laugh but definitely a wry smile.
Ok, maybe not that, but possibly a good-natured groan.
Alright, it'll produce a "Oh for God's sake, just give it up will you? That shit stopped being funny a decade ago!"
happy, now?

Wait... why do they still have this embargo. The cold war is over.

Yea, but....you know...........T3H 3B1L COMMUN15TZ ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!

see....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLe6fhBejNI

Wait... why do they still have this embargo. The cold war is over.
Isn't it obvious?
If we're allowed to smoke their cigars, this will prove that the Communists have won, silly.

Whenever feasible I smoke nothing but Cubans. That blockade is antediluvian at best.

Ouch. -1 pt. for ungainly use of 'antediluvian.' But I do agree - Cubans are a favorite among cigar-smoking acquaintances of mine. I'm all for anti-Communism, but we're going about it in sloppy and sometimes conflicting ways.

Wait... why do they still have this embargo. The cold war is over.

The cold war against Communism is largely over. We still oppse Castro as a dictator. ;)

The cold war against Communism is largely over. We still oppse Castro as a dictator. ;)

But the House of Saud and Pervy Musharraf are our best buds and partners in the "War on Terrah." Go figure.

My dad and I get our Cuban cigar from a company in Key West FL, they're mad by immigrants from Cuba.

Was it a banned Cuban cigar?
“There’s no way of telling now because he smoked it,” McLear said. Hah! that's funny!:)

My dad and I get our Cuban cigar from a company in Key West FL, they're mad by immigrants from Cuba.

Legal and of good quality - that's a smart purchase. :)

Legal and of good quality - that's a smart purchase. :)

We buy from the Rodriguez Cigar Factory.

This website (http://www.cigargroup.com/regional/fl/keywest/) talks about them.

Wait, let me just seek clarification: it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke Cuban cigars, even if they're not inside America? What kind of crazy fucked up law is that?

Wait, let me just seek clarification: it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke Cuban cigars, even if they're not inside America? What kind of crazy fucked up law is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Democracy_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms-Burton_Act

It's the same sort of law that makes it illegal for non-USA companies to trade with Cuba, totally disregarding not only the ludicrousness of thinking that USA laws apply outside its territory, but also many country's laws on discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or nationality - laws which the USA doesn't have, because they think such discrimination is dandy.

This "embargo" is an embargo only in name. De facto, it is a blockade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Democracy_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms-Burton_Act

It's the same sort of law that makes it illegal for non-USA companies to trade with Cuba, totally disregarding not only the ludicrousness of thinking that USA laws apply outside its territory, but also many country's laws on discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or nationality - laws which the USA doesn't have, because they think such discrimination is dandy.

This "embargo" is an embargo only in name. De facto, it is a blockade.

Then he should simply say he was exercising his rights as an Austrian citizen when he smoked the cigar.

Wait, let me just seek clarification: it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke Cuban cigars, even if they're not inside America? What kind of crazy fucked up law is that?

Just an embargo. Not sure if it was a law or an executive order. Either way, I doubt anyone's ever been prosecuted.

Then he should simply say he was exercising his rights as an Austrian citizen when he smoked the cigar.

Well, both Canada and the EU have passed laws directly targeting the Helms-Burton act and making it illegal for anyone under their jurisdiction to obey it, and have passed such provisions that: "No judgment of a court or tribunal and no decision of an administrative authority located outside the Community giving effect, directly or indirectly, to the laws specified in the Annex or to actions based thereon or resulting there from, shall be recognized or be enforceable in any manner."

However, he cannot be protected by the EU or Canada once he goes back to the USA. It seems the "land of the free" can and does restrict both travel and punish acts not illegal abroad...

I used to get them all the time when I lived in Moscow. Can't stand any non-Cuban anymore. Pipes are my bag, anyway.

Just an embargo. Not sure if it was a law or an executive order. Either way, I doubt anyone's ever been prosecuted.

Yes, but he bought it abroad, smoked it abroad and therefore it's not the US/Cuban trade relations he participated in. It's the Canadian/Cuban ones. It's beyond ridiculous to pretend US laws extend beyond their borders, nevermind think that buying things abroad has anything to do with the American embargo.

Yes, but he bought it abroad, smoked it abroad and therefore it's not the US/Cuban trade relations he participated in. It's the Canadian/Cuban ones. It's beyond ridiculous to pretend US laws extend beyond their borders, nevermind think that buying things abroad has anything to do with the American embargo.

I think we prosecute pedophiles who are found soliciting girls under 16 in countries where that's legal, as well. Our laws apply to citizens in some cases, rather than just on our territory, I think. I could be wrong about that, but in some cases it seems to be accurate.

The embargo is nothing but wounded U.S. ego collectively punishing the Cuban people while going for petty revenge at Castro, a man who has managed to defy their coup and (if true) assassination attempts.

If Mahmoud and Hugo stick around for a long time, we'll see embargoes slapped on Iran and Venezuela too.

Yes, but he bought it abroad, smoked it abroad and therefore it's not the US/Cuban trade relations he participated in. It's the Canadian/Cuban ones. It's beyond ridiculous to pretend US laws extend beyond their borders, nevermind think that buying things abroad has anything to do with the American embargo.

What are you saying, communist? The US has the right to do what it wants to ensure that the Soviet Union's determined promotion of global communism is defeated.

What are you saying, communist? The US has the right to do what it wants to ensure that the Soviet Union's determined promotion of global communism is defeated.

It's bad enough to try and counter the hypnotic propaganda of block-long lines of people waiting to buy scant supplies of food at the state-run stores without pinkos like him trying to undermine our patriotic duty, you know?

:D

What are you saying, communist? The US has the right to do what it wants to ensure that the Soviet Union's determined promotion of global communism is defeated.

:p To be fair, any American who just *has* to have that fragrant Cuban cigar while in Canada can turn in his passport at the nearest embassy and erase his citizenship. :p

It's bad enough to try and counter the hypnotic propaganda of block-long lines of people waiting to buy scant supplies of food at the state-run stores without pinkos like him trying to undermine our patriotic duty, you know?

:D

Block-long lines of people waiting to buy scant supplies of food?

Stalin would have you believe that those people are not waiting for food. He would say it is true that the food store may be their eventual destination, but they are queuing in order to further the spirit of true community and comradeship which their dear "comrade" Stalin has given to them. By queuing together as a community, it, he claims, gives an opportunity to speak with those who you may not see regularly, and to form new bonds.

This is, apparently, much better than the systems employed by the "capitalist pigs" in the western world, where people go in an out of stores without speaking to one another. A true example of western decadence paling in comparison to Soviet comradeship, Uncle Joe would have you believe.

This is why the US must carry out their embargo on Cuba. To stop Stalin's communist plans in their tracks.

However, he cannot be protected by the EU or Canada once he goes back to the USA. It seems the "land of the free" can and does restrict both travel and punish acts not illegal abroad...
For cases like this, I think a more appropriate tag would be "land of the petty-minded and mean-spirited".
"They wouldn't do what we told them 40 years ago, so we'll force them to live in abject poverty forever!"

For cases like this, I think a more appropriate tag would be "land of the petty-minded and mean-spirited".
"They wouldn't do what we told them 40 years ago, so we'll force them to live in abject poverty forever!"

Isn't it beautiful? The embargo is only making conditions in Cuba worse. In order to import anything it costs them an ass-ton. Ending the embargo would open their market to many things, and allow the people to have more comfortable lives. It's obvious the embargo isn't doing shit anymore, and it's original purpose is long-since dead. So basically, we are putting people through hardship because our politicians are to douchebaggy to drop face, and do the sensible thing.

Bah, screw the bloody embargo I say. Open up Cuba.

Isn't it beautiful? The embargo is only making conditions in Cuba worse.
not only that, it gives Castro's govt the perfect excuse as to why Cuban's lives are shit: It's all the USA's fault.
Ditch the embargo, open the market and when their lives don't improve much, Castro no longer can point the finger at America and blame them for everything's that's going wrong in Cuba.
It'd either make the Cuban govt change (ideally positive change) in order to remain in power, or it'll give the Cuban public the impetus to rise up and make those changes themselves.

We buy from the Rodriguez Cigar Factory.

This website (http://www.cigargroup.com/regional/fl/keywest/) talks about them.


Still not Cuban though. And you should try not to support the Miami Mafiosa...

Wait, let me just seek clarification: it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke Cuban cigars, even if they're not inside America? What kind of crazy fucked up law is that?

It's also quite funny because whenever I was overseas in the US Army my friends who smoked would smoke Cuban cigars exclusively.

It's the same sort of law that makes it illegal for non-USA companies to trade with Cuba, totally disregarding not only the ludicrousness of thinking that USA laws apply outside its territory

A lot of Americans seem to be under the delusion that acts of the US govt mean anything outside of the US.

Isn't it beautiful? The embargo is only making conditions in Cuba worse. In order to import anything it costs them an ass-ton. Ending the embargo would open their market to many things, and allow the people to have more comfortable lives. It's obvious the embargo isn't doing shit anymore, and it's original purpose is long-since dead. So basically, we are putting people through hardship because our politicians are to douchebaggy to drop face, and do the sensible thing.

Bah, screw the bloody embargo I say. Open up Cuba.

Watch. As soon as Fidel dies and somebody takes over without the last name Castro, they'll offer dropping the Embargo as a carrot on the stick. It's all about spiting Fidel.

Isn't that embargo still in place because if it was repealed, whoever is in Florida would lose the Cuban exile vote?

Also, does this mean Americans can't drink Cuban rum on holiday, either?

Isn't that embargo still in place because if it was repealed, whoever is in Florida would lose the Cuban exile vote?

Also, does this mean Americans can't drink Cuban rum on holiday, either?

To spite Fidel for surviving in power so long and to win the exile vote.

Uhh... how can the American government tell Americans what to do when they're not in America? Out of America, they're subject to foreign law...

Uhh... how can the American government tell Americans what to do when they're not in America? Out of America, they're subject to foreign law...

...they still have to pay American taxes as well as those of the country they're living in - double-taxed - suckerz :)

Uhh... how can the American government tell Americans what to do when they're not in America? Out of America, they're subject to foreign law...

As pointed out before in this topic, some countries have laws that its citizens are required to adhere to even when abroad. Not having sex with children is a prime example, and apparantly so is smoking cuban cigars.

If this is a good system is a matter worthy of debate.

Smoking a Cuban cigar is not on par with the worst of crimes. :rolleyes: Doesn't the American government have better shit to fret and shit its pants over?

The cold war against Communism is largely over. We still oppse Castro as a dictator. ;)

so? You don't seem to embargo other corrupt dictatorships. And Castro's Almost dead anyway.

Not one to promote conspiracy theories, but in this case there certainly is a smoking hun.

Not one to promote conspiracy theories, but in this case there certainly is a smoking hun.

Austrian.

Austrian.

I know but it spoilt the pun.

As pointed out before in this topic, some countries have laws that its citizens are required to adhere to even when abroad. Not having sex with children is a prime example, and apparantly so is smoking cuban cigars.

If this is a good system is a matter worthy of debate.

While I can understand the not having sex with children thing, I seriously do not get this so-called embargo. Raping/molesting children is a human rights issue, and I totally understand why the US would punish a citizen. However, McCarthy's witch hunt is over, and this outdated law needs to be expunged.

Doesn't the American government have better shit to fret and shit its pants over?

Yes, but it would be quite out of character for the US govt to worry about things that actually mattered.

Yes, but it would be quite out of character for the US govt to worry about things that actually mattered.

Because it would mean it's doing its job? ;)

Because it would mean it's doing its job? ;)

It seems to want to do everything but.

You Americans are laughable, with all your little tempests in teapots. Arnie wants a Cuban cigar? So what?

The cold war against Communism is largely over. We still oppse Castro as a dictator. ;)

is that coz you already have a dictator????? :)

You Americans are laughable, with all your little tempests in teapots. Arnie wants a Cuban cigar? So what?

But if he smokes a Cuban cigar, he empowers the Cuban cigar maker and that means more competition for the American cigar maker. ;)

Not only did I smoke a Cuban cigar in Canada at 17, I also brought the rest of it back to the States.

So, if they sue Arnie it means he can become the president of the US?

So, if they sue Arnie it means he can become the president of the US?Only if ultimately approved by the US ayatollahs (Council of old conservative men/f) ..AKA SCrOTUS

Only if ultimately approved by the US ayatollahs(Coulsil of old conservative men/f) ..AKA SCrOTUS
So they can sue him and he can say:
1) 'Screw you, I'm Austrian.'
2) 'Okay, but then I can compete for presidency.'

Sweet:p

So they can sue him and he can say:
1) 'Screw you, I'm Austrian.'
2) 'Okay, but then I can compete for presidency.'

Sweet:pthe US Conservative Guardian Council (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCROTUS) has absolute power.. they can have it both ways.. They can say "yes you are and.. you are not at the same time".

they have the last word on what is wrong and what is not.. and they have decided they are never wrong. There is nowhere to appeal their stupid politicized Judgments.

War is peace, hate is Love, north is south, peace is war, etc

the US Conservative Guardian Council (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCROTUS) has absolute power.. they can have it both ways.. They can say "yes you are and.. you are not at the same time".

they have the last word on what is wrong and what is not.. and they have decided they are never wrong. There is nowhere to appeal their stupid politicized Judgments.

War is peace, hate is Love, north is south, peace is war, etc

Oh come now. Congress can pass amendments to the Constitution as a means around it. The President can give them the massive middle finger and choose not to follow their verdicts. The Supreme Court only has power to decide, but no power whatsoever to follow through. They cannot enforce their decisions at all, actually. So really, that is far from absolute power. As well, the Court can overturn previous decisions as well...

So, their power is:

"Purty-pwease listen to me. Pwease? With a cherry on top?"

..The President can give them the massive middle finger and choose not to follow their verdicts. You mean.. Like when Bill Clinton gave the middle finger to your precious Conservative Guardian Council (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCROTUS).. when They decided to crown a chimp and stop the vote counting?

They decided to stop the Vote counting and Bill Clinton had to allow the Powerful Guardian Council (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCROTUS) have its way.

The Council had the last word.. Not Clinton.

You mean.. Like Bill Clinton gave the middle finger to your precious Conservative Guardian Council (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCROTUS).. when The Scrotus decided to crown a chimp and stop the vote counting?

Er... are you calling me conservative? If so...

You may be the first and only person in existance to do so. Seriously, little old communist me, being called a bloody conservative... wow. Should I throw a parade? Or skulk in the corner. Not sure.

Also, just because the President can give the massive middle finger doesn't mean he will. It's bad rep. In politics, even after leaving office, you want the best rep possible. Better for book signings and lecture tours.

Also, I didn't say that the SCOTUS didn't have a conservative bias(Which contrary to popular belief it actually leans slightly, if not quite a bit to the right), I simply stated that it has no actual power. It can preach to the high heavens about this or that, but if their rulings are ignored or loopholed, they have no power to enforce. That is it.

is that coz you already have a dictator????? :)

Not quite. ;)

Remeber when I said I'd smoke you last?

I lied.

Oh come now. Congress can pass amendments to the Constitution as a means around it. The President can give them the massive middle finger and choose not to follow their verdicts. The Supreme Court only has power to decide, but no power whatsoever to follow through. They cannot enforce their decisions at all, actually. So really, that is far from absolute power. As well, the Court can overturn previous decisions as well...

So, their power is:

"Purty-pwease listen to me. Pwease? With a cherry on top?"

Right...

Explain how the FBI is under the Department of Justice?

That and it is the executive's DUTY AND OATH written in the constitution to uphold decisions of the court. Not doing so is qualification for impeachment.

This is why the US must carry out their embargo on Cuba. To stop Stalin's communist plans in their tracks.

Stalin is back? *Hides Eastern Europe*

So, if they sue Arnie it means he can become the president of the US?

You have to be born in the U.S in order be the President (Vice president too I think).

You have to be born in the U.S in order be the President (Vice president too I think).

For now. It could change, you never can tell! :)

For now. It could change, you never can tell! :)

Doubtful.

Doubtful.

If it changes, it would probably still include residency requirements, maybe steep ones - but I think it could happen.

http://diy.despair.com/output/poster44564308.jpg

I bought and smoked a Cuban cigar when I visited Italy.

It tasted like sweet, sweet victory. :p

http://diy.despair.com/output/poster44564308.jpg

But if I smoke that the marxists nearby will still dislike me!

*Smokes, then realises the self hates smoking*

"Such a" *coughs* "hypocrite!"