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Ahmadinejad: Israel Will Be Destroyed

Sunday June 3, 2007 12:31 PM


TEHRAN, Iran (AP)- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Ahmadinejad said last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah showed for the first time that the ``hegemony of the occupier regime (Israel) had collapsed, and the Lebanese nation pushed the button to begin counting the days until the destruction of the Zionist regime,'' IRNA quoted him as saying.

``God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime,'' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying during a speech to foreign guests mostly from African, Arab and neighboring countries who attended ceremonies marking the 18th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who is known as the father of Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Embattled Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has lost public support after Israel failed to achieve its goals during last summer's 34-day war with Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon - freeing two captured soldiers and crushing the militant group.

The war was sparked after two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped by Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hezbollah militants in a cross-border raid. The fighting ended with a U.N.-brokered cease-fire that called for deployment of U.N. peacekeepers and Lebanese troops in southern Lebanon along the border with Israel.

Ahmadinejad has made anti-Israel comments in the past.

In October 2005, he caused outrage in the West when he said in a speech that Israel's ``Zionist regime should be wiped off the map.''

His supporters have argued Ahmadinejad's words were mistranslated and should have been better translated as ``vanish from the pages of time'' - implying Israel would vanish on its own rather be destroyed.
Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."

What's that sound? Is it a sabre rattling?

Zionist regime = the government
Zionist regime =/= the state of Israel

It's like when Bush called for the destruction of Saddam's regime in Iraq.

Doe that change what everyone already knew: that he wants the Israeli regime gone so Palestine can be restored?

Wanting a regime to be destroyed is not the same as doing so yourself (see U.S., North Korea, etc.).

Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."

You speak Farsi?

Zionist regime = the government
Zionist regime =/= the state of Israel

It's like when Bush called for the destruction of Saddam's regime in Iraq. And

And no one died because of the destruction of Saddam's Regime right? :rolleyes:
I'm not contesting that he said the "Government"
He wants the Israel government to be destroyed, as in violence, as in people dying.
That's evil enough for me.


You speak Farsi?
Get me a "How to speak Farsi" and a copy of Ahmad's speech and I'll try. :)

Zionist regime = the government
Zionist regime =/= the state of Israel

It's like when Bush called for the destruction of Saddam's regime in Iraq.

QFT.

Regime means the governing body not the nation itself.

Show me the video and I'll try. :)

So, that's a no.

Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."

Iran's government doesn't like Israel's?...well...that's...new?:rolleyes:

they always want to destroy each other. isreal is just as bad as the other middle -east states, if not much worse. you're suprised by this statement?

And

And no one died because of the destruction of Saddam's Regime right? :rolleyes:
I'm not contesting that he said the "Government"
He wants the Israel government to be destroyed, as in violence, as in people dying.
That's evil enough for me.

Yeah?

Well, the US should be pleased. Regime change is what they're all about, right?

Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."
Isn't it more or less universally acknowledged that he has a beef with Israeli governance that, while maybe reasonable in origin, has become more than a little extremist (and perhaps melodramatic)?

Yeah?

Well, the US should be pleased. Regime change is what they're all about, right?
Only when they do it. :(

And

And no one died because of the destruction of Saddam's Regime right? :rolleyes:
I'm not contesting that he said the "Government"
He wants the Israel government to be destroyed, as in violence, as in people dying.
That's evil enough for me.

Evil enough for you to want what... economic sanctions? War with Iran?

Or just evil enough to pull out the Axis of Evil, moral good vs evil judgements?

And


He wants the Israel government to be destroyed, as in violence, as in people dying.
That's evil enough for me.


Well, as the Israeli government is violent, surely its sauce for the goose...

Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."

He could refer to the holy fire he expects Allah will rain upon the infidels ?
Of course, he could indeed be hoping to aid that rain a bit with weapons. Or that Israel is stupid enough to strike first.

they always want to destroy each other. isreal is just as bad as the other middle -east states, if not much worse. you're suprised by this statement?

It was sarcastic :p

Evil enough for you to want what... economic sanctions? War with Iran?

Or just evil enough to pull out the Axis of Evil, moral good vs evil judgements? No just evil enough to get some of the people here to quit constantly defending him like he's some innocent person.

So, that's a no.
Do you?

If so if I can find a copy will you translate it? That way we can't have the mistranlation excuse.

The only thing I'm stating is that.

Well, as the Israeli government is violent, surely its sauce for the goose... Wow since their GOVERNMENT is bad it's okay for their PEOPLE to suffer if it collapses? Nice.

Collapse of a Regime surrounded by enemies=Many deaths.

So in other words no difference.

Can't you guys admit that he wants them dead? You seem to think he loves the people of Israel and only hates their government. I call bull on that.

Do you?

No, but I am not the one claiming what he did or did not say, nor I am the one brushing off people who do know Farsi...

If so if I can find a copy will you translate it? That way we can't have the mistranlation excuse.

... by calling their translations, which you have no way of impugning, "excuses".

No just evil enough to get some of the people here to quit constantly defending him like he's some innocent person.


Very few if any. Unlike the regime hes referring to, who some seem to think have the sun in their lower colon.

Very few if any. Unlike the regime hes referring to, who some seem to think have the sun in their lower colon.
I think everyone here knows that Israel does bad things. People don't deny it they just give Reasons\Excuses (Depending on your POV) on WHY they do bad things.

People keep implying that Jarhead doesn't want to do bad things.

Wow since their GOVERNMENT is bad it's okay for their PEOPLE to suffer if it collapses? Nice.

Collapse of a Regime surrounded by enemies=Many deaths.


Good enough for the brown folk, why not the other lot for a change?

No,
Well that sucks Fassigen, I was hoping for a second opinion to dis-prove any doubt.
but I am not the one claiming what he did or did not say, nor I am the one brushing off people who do know Farsi...
Hmm, do I support the relativly more neutral media or whatever his supporters who will inevitably say that it was. Hmm...


... by calling their translations, which you have no way of impugning, "excuses". Since they seem to come from his own people I take whatever they say with a plate load of salt. Just like I'd believe some Neo-con drone if he said that Democrats support cannibalism.

Good enough for the brown folk, why not the other lot for a change?
Yay for Nuclear winter!

Zionist regime = the government
Zionist regime =/= the state of Israel

It's like when Bush called for the destruction of Saddam's regime in Iraq.

Destroy the government you have effectively destroyed the state. You can't feasibly believe that the state will survive after that.

Destroy the government you have effectively destroyed the state. You can't feasibly believe that the state will survive after that.

Of course you can. My removing only the people, you destroy the current government, but maintain the institutions, which continues the survival of the state.

Hmm, do I support the relativly more neutral media ...this is not about "support".. this is about the Truth.

Who is likely telling the truth on the "will be wiped" translation?

FOX/CNN/AP or Fass? easy..I take Fass.

Fass does not speak Farsi.. I still take Fass.
Fass in not a miltibillion Media Corp.. I still take Fass.

Why? because over the years.. Fass has showed less bias -about Ahmadinejad- than the Big media Corporations.

(Fass has done his research and so have CNN/FOX/AP)

No just evil enough to get some of the people here to quit constantly defending him like he's some innocent person.


There'd be no need to "defend" if there wasn't the obvious threat of "attack." And it's not just Ahmadinejad, it's all Iran, and "Islamists" (wink wink) who get constantly smeared in this sorry fiasco.

What's that sound? Is it a sabre rattling?

It's the sound of jets with the Star of David on them heading East. :eek: (Israel does have air refueling capability.)

Of course you can. My removing the people, you destroy the current government, but maintain the institutions, which continues the survival of the state.

Are you unaware where Israel is geographically? Think about it. Also take into acount that the army has been mostly be destroyed, since that is what is required to "destroy the regime".

Honestly, what is with all the Ahmadinejad apologetics?

Are you unaware where Israel is geographically?

Sorry, I don't know where it is. Perhaps you can show me?

Think about it. Also take into acount that the army has been mostly be destroyed, since that is what is required to "destroy the regime".

I find that to be unrealistic. Change in the military would take longer than the government, but it could be possible.

Honestly, what is with all the Ahmadinejad apologetics?

Oh, don't mistake me for an Ahmadinejad apologist. I intensely dislike the man. However, I feel it's fairly important to take the meaning of what he says, rather than the spin that some to the right will put on it.

Oh, don't mistake me for an Ahmadinejad apologist. I intensely dislike the man.

Oh, well as long as you think this then i'm not bothered about your interpretation of what he means.

Yay for Nuclear winter!

never advocated dropping the bomb on anyone.

Oh, well as long as you think this then i'm not bothered about your interpretation of what he means.

I dislike him because he is the public "face" of a regime that oppresses women, homosexuals, and other minority groups, not because of his foreign policy. I have no real problem with his foreign policy, but I'm hardly a fan of it either.

As I said before, it's important to take the actual meaning of his words and point that out as a counter to the inevitable spin from others who would dearly love to see everything he says twisted in order to fulfil their own ideological goals.

Wow since their GOVERNMENT is bad it's okay for their PEOPLE to suffer if it collapses?Well, who's responsible for the government again?

Destroy the government you have effectively destroyed the state. You can't feasibly believe that the state will survive after that.

Does that argument also hold true when it's Yanks, in Iraq?

Link to the present (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6680461,00.html)
He said DESTROYED not "Vanish on it's own," destroyed.
Waits for the "They mistranslated again."

I don't see the native text anywhere.

We can't even argue mistranslation, if there is no evidence oftranslation...

And, as has been pointed out, "such and such should happen..." or "If only this thing happened.." are not the same as "I shall do thus and so"...

let Iran attack Israel...you'd think the arabs would have learned their lessons already..

let Iran attack Israel...you'd think the arabs would have learned their lessons already..

What does that have to do with the article?

well Iran's calling for the destruction of Israel...again....and thus far every time an arab country has tried to topple Israel..they have failed miserably..so I'm saying let them fail yet again...

You didn't read it, then.

well Iran's calling for the destruction of Israel...again....and thus far every time an arab country has tried to topple Israel..they have failed miserably..so I'm saying let them fail yet again...

well Iran's calling for the destruction of Israel...again....and thus far every time an arab country has tried to topple Israel..they have failed miserably..so I'm saying let them fail yet again...

However, Iran is getting closer and closer to the big N bomb.:mad:

well Iran's calling for the destruction of Israel...again....and thus far every time an arab country has tried to topple Israel..they have failed miserably..so I'm saying let them fail yet again...

You fail at comprehension.

However, Iran is getting closer and closer to the big N bomb.:mad:

Oh you mean like America already has several of? Like Russia, the UK, France and a few others including possibly Israel? :rolleyes:

Like the one America dropped on Hiroshima? And the one on Nagasaki, making them the only nation in history to date to have actually dropped an atomic weapon on a civilian centre?!

List of States with Nuclear Weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)

http://weaselhut.net/nuclear-a.jpg

However, Iran is getting closer and closer to the big N bomb.:mad:

Big deal. Israel has hundreds of N bombs. And even if by some miracle that Iran manages to destroy them all during an nuclear attack, the United States, Israel's best buddy, has thousands of N bombs. If Iran uses an N bomb, they will get N bombed. I don't think Iran's president wants to be N bombed. Even if they delivered an N bomb by proxy, I think they're smart enough to know that the governments of Israel and the US would still be chomping at the bit to N bomb SOMEONE. The way Ahmedinejad has been shooting his mouth off all the time, Iran is definitely going to be the first on the list.

This all assumes that Iran is indeed developing N bombs.

let Iran attack Israel...you'd think the arabs would have learned their lessons already..
Maybe they have...

Iran isn't an arab country though.
well Iran's calling for the destruction of Israel...again....and thus far every time an arab country has tried to topple Israel..they have failed miserably..so I'm saying let them fail yet again...
So you think perhaps a persian country would do better?

I dislike him because he is the public "face" of a regime that oppresses women, homosexuals, and other minority groups, not because of his foreign policy. I have no real problem with his foreign policy, but I'm hardly a fan of it either.

As I said before, it's important to take the actual meaning of his words and point that out as a counter to the inevitable spin from others who would dearly love to see everything he says twisted in order to fulfil their own ideological goals.

Indeed - I agree with you.

Why? because over the years.. Fass has showed less bias -about Ahmadinejad- than the Big media Corporations.

I don't think I've posted in an Ahmandinejad thread before. He is a refuse of a person, no better than Bush, so do not think for one second that I would even piss on him if he were on fire.

/Well, seeing as I'd have a duty, I'd probably find a blanket or some water, and would do the same for Bush, but it's a saying, OK.

Ahmadinejad on his hobbies: "I'm into jihad."

I don't think I've posted in an Ahmandinejad thread before.

Exactly! So you admit to having shown no bias!

He is a refuse of a person, no better than Bush, so do not think for one second that I would even piss on him if he were on fire.


Would you piss on him is he WASN'T on fire? As long as it wasn't in a kinky way? What about in a kinky way?

Big deal. Israel has hundreds of N bombs. And even if by some miracle that Iran manages to destroy them all during an nuclear attack, the United States, Israel's best buddy, has thousands of N bombs. If Iran uses an N bomb, they will get N bombed. I don't think Iran's president wants to be N bombed. Even if they delivered an N bomb by proxy, I think they're smart enough to know that the governments of Israel and the US would still be chomping at the bit to N bomb SOMEONE. The way Ahmedinejad has been shooting his mouth off all the time, Iran is definitely going to be the first on the list.

This all assumes that Iran is indeed developing N bombs.

They wouldn't need us, Israel has had 2nd strike abilities since they launched those two subs.

Of course you can. My removing only the people, you destroy the current government, but maintain the institutions, which continues the survival of the state. It's these sort of comments that make me question some people's knowledge of the Middle East.

this is not about "support".. this is about the Truth.

Who is likely telling the truth on the "will be wiped" translation?

FOX/CNN/AP or Fass? easy..I take Fass.

Fass does not speak Farsi.. I still take Fass.
Fass in not a miltibillion Media Corp.. I still take Fass.

Why? because over the years.. Fass has showed less bias -about Ahmadinejad- than the Big media Corporations.

(Fass has done his research and so have CNN/FOX/AP)
I doubt Fass had done any research on it at the time of the OP. Fass never said that Fass had done research. Fass just asked if I saw the speech. Does that mean Fass did a bunch of research before hand? No it means Fass asked if I had saw the speech to prove it. Fass didn't see it either.

PS: I demand that from now on you begin all your news links "The Corporate Media Says" then continue. If you say we're not supposed to listen to the media, then you should say so.

What's that sound? Is it a sabre rattling?

ahmanutjob is not doing anything different then the bush holes....fearmongering to distract the people from the failure at home.
irans economy(even with the oil) is in the toilet,he knows it...everyone knows it.the unemployment is ridiculous,the trade deficit is beyond repair,the exports beside oil are nill....so he does what any fuck wad does..create an enemy to distract the disenfranchised.
hopefully it will not be as effective as it seems to be here in the states,i know quite a few iranians...really good people...but if your slogging thru the day to day life there,like here,you hold on to something other then your sit sucks cause of you and your gov....it is really easy to blame others for your sorry lot in life.
it really sucks but it is that simple...

ahmanutjob is not doing anything different then the bush holes....fearmongering to distract the people from the failure at home.
irans economy(even with the oil) is in the toilet,he knows it...everyone knows it.the unemployment is ridiculous,the trade deficit is beyond repair,the exports beside oil are nill....so he does what any fuck wad does..create an enemy to distract the disenfranchised.
hopefully it will not be as effective as it seems to be here in the states,i know quite a few iranians...really good people...but if your slogging thru the day to day life there,like here,you hold on to something other then your sit sucks cause of you and your gov....it is really easy to blame others for your sorry lot in life.
it really sucks but it is that simple...

Well said. One of the Democratic candidates said much the same thing during the debate tonight--think it was Biden.

Well said. One of the Democratic candidates said much the same thing during the debate tonight--think it was Biden.

thanks,but i have long ago gave up caring what my pol's/liars say.....they are so full of shit it disgusts me to participate.
it does not make it right to be a dick from any side of the fence.

PS: I demand that from now on you begin all your ....You too?
What is it with all these people demanding things from me?
Dont they know?
Are they not aware?
what are they thinking?

hmmph..
Maybe I should be putting up one of these:
http://www.talott.com/user/image/suggestions%20box01th.jpg

In other news the Sky is Blue and Bears STILL shit in the forest and the Middle East will always be a turmoil of violence and countries saying that they want to nuke each other but do not have the balls to do it. Personally I would be in favor of the Middle Eastern countries nuking each other out of existence, if they did that. Then maybe, just maybe we'd get some peace on this earth.

Well the Iranian President is obviously correct, even the people of Israel hate their current government and it's Zionist/Conservative belligerent politics, in fact in the recent rocket attacks, the Israelis in those towns didn't blame hamas, they blamed their government for not putting peace before wanton violence, which the Zionist regime has a pension for. In fact I believe in a recent visit to the town of Sterot (a town hit by rockets) a government minister had rocks thrown at him and the crowd shouted 'murderer' etc etc. The Zionist regime know full well the people are rallying against them, and that the establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state is inevitable, they are desperate and know their on there way out, and will do anything to start up to killing again.