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Okay...I saw Pirates 3 yesterday...It was pretty good but I'm kinda confused...

First...What the Hell is Davy Jones supposed to be doing?

I thought he was just some guy wandering around the Oceans and collecting debts and crap...like in number 2, I guessed thats why Jack would want to become the new Captain of the Flying Dutchman...H egts to just cruise around the sea...BUT when Will stabs Davy Jones' heart he has to like ferry souls for 10 years or something? Whats up with that?


Second...Where the hell does Jack go at the end?

Is he going to get his ship back or is he going to that fountain of youth thing?


Third...What's Elizabeth gonna do now?

Is she the Pirate King (Queen?) or the new governor person since her dad is dead?


AND...What's up with Tia Dalma?

What happened to her? she just turned into a bunch of crabs...and whats the whole background story between her and Davy Jones?

So...yea...that movie confused me pretty thouroughly.....anyone have the answers to what the hell happened

Don't think about it too hard, otherwise you're brain will leak out your ears...

Don't think about it too hard, otherwise you're brain will leak out your ears...

AWESOME!!!

*tells others to think really hard about Pirates 3*

Let me sum up the plot of the film, and the two which preceded it, in four simple words.

Complete and utter shit.

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Okay...I saw Pirates 3 yesterday...It was pretty good but I'm kinda confused...

First...What the Hell is Davy Jones supposed to be doing?

I thought he was just some guy wandering around the Oceans and collecting debts and crap...like in number 2, I guessed thats why Jack would want to become the new Captain of the Flying Dutchman...H egts to just cruise around the sea...BUT when Will stabs Davy Jones' heart he has to like ferry souls for 10 years or something? Whats up with that?
Davy Jones has to ferry those who die at sea over to the land of the dead. You know all those people in the little boats with Elizabeths father? They were just kinda sitting there waiting to be taken to the other side (kind of like purgatory). Since Davy Jones stopped doing that job, he and his crew slowly turn into sea-like beasts.
In the 3rd movie, he can't just do what he wants because the EIC has his heart


Second...Where the hell does Jack go at the end?

Is he going to get his ship back or is he going to that fountain of youth thing? Both? Neither? Doesn't really matter...part of the cliff hanger thing.


Third...What's Elizabeth gonna do now?

Is she the Pirate King (Queen?) or the new governor person since her dad is dead?Again, part of the cliff hanger.


AND...What's up with Tia Dalma?

What happened to her? she just turned into a bunch of crabs...and whats the whole background story between her and Davy Jones?She was the goddess Calypso who controlled the seas. Pirates bound her into human form.
Basically, she picked davy jones to ferry the dead for 10 years. For one day, he would be able to see her. She wasn't there when he went, so he cut out his heart, and told the pirates how to bind her.
she doesn't just turn into crabs and disappear...she's the one who creates the maelstrom

Let me sum up the plot of the film, and the two which preceded it, in four simple words.

Complete and utter shit.

Lolz. I agree.

have not seen it so don't know

Davy Jones has to ferry those who die at sea over to the land of the dead. You know all those people in the little boats with Elizabeths father? They were just kinda sitting there waiting to be taken to the other side (kind of like purgatory). Since Davy Jones stopped doing that job, he and his crew slowly turn into sea-like beasts.
In the 3rd movie, he can't just do what he wants because the EIC has his heart


Both? Neither? Doesn't really matter...part of the cliff hanger thing.


Again, part of the cliff hanger.


She was the goddess Calypso who controlled the seas. Pirates bound her into human form.
Basically, she picked davy jones to ferry the dead for 10 years. For one day, he would be able to see her. She wasn't there when he went, so he cut out his heart, and told the pirates how to bind her.
she doesn't just turn into crabs and disappear...she's the one who creates the maelstrom

So...yea...that movie confused me pretty thouroughly.....anyone have the answers to what the hell happened[/QUOTE]

Thnx alot

Second...Where the hell does Jack go at the end?
Florida. He's got the other dude's map and he's going to head him off there to beat him to the Fountain of Youth and get back the Black Pearl. So the answer is both.



Third...What's Elizabeth gonna do now?

Is she the Pirate King (Queen?) or the new governor person since her dad is dead?
They never establish that she gives up being the Queen of the Pirates, but she does live on that island and raises whatshisnuts' kid. She likely stays there and arbitrates differences with the Pirates.


AND...What's up with Tia Dalma?


That part bugged me. They go through all this nonsense and whatever, they release her and she doesn't smash Davy's ship or really do anything one way or the other. It's like she gets released and decides to create a dramatic setting for the final battle. What?

Damn the plot,... IT GOT PIRATES, CRAZY SWASHBUCKLIN' CUTLASS FIGHTS. SHIP2SHIP BATTLES, CHOW YUN FAT and KIERA KNIGHTLY.

... sadly, I find that the lack (living) sea monsters, disappointing.

Oh yes, this is actually a very fun movie to watch, just like 300. If you want plot you should try something else,... like the English Patient,... or Pan's Labyrinth.

THe only who made the film was Barbossa and how come the the EIC where never flying the correct jack on any of their vessels

That part bugged me. They go through all this nonsense and whatever, they release her and she doesn't smash Davy's ship or really do anything one way or the other. It's like she gets released and decides to create a dramatic setting for the final battle. What?

that part bugged me too.

the freeing of calypso special effects were lame. they belonged in a hercules movie from 40 years ago not in a modern movie. THEN all she does is make a maestrom? pfffft. that was a bad pay off for the only compelling character in the 2nd movie

EXCEPT FOR THE KRAKEN!

what was up with that? the big bad thing of movie2 is just an afterthought dead on the beach. that was lame lame lame.

It needed more explosions. It's action was not good enough to make up for the lack of a plot. And what the fuck is up with the sword fighting? I mean, the other movie's were okay, but here there was like ONE sword fight between two major characters, and the swords only ever went like this:

X

Did anyone see the bit after the credits? We didn't know about it and had a train to catch. What happened?

And just why do they put things after the credits? It's very annoying. The film's already nearly three hours long, must people be made to sit through ten minutes or more of scrolling words just to see the final little bit, really?
X-Men somethingorother did it too (but I knew about that one). Pain in the arse. WHY‽

They never establish that she gives up being the Queen of the Pirates, but she does live on that island and raises whatshisnuts' kid. She likely stays there and arbitrates differences with the Pirates.

According to my brother because she stays faithful for ten years raising the guy's child he gets released from his duty of ferrying souls, which is why Davy Jones was so pissed about Calypso not being there after his first ten years. Effectively a cop out ending to make everyone happy at the end.

It needed more explosions. It's action was not good enough to make up for the lack of a plot. And what the fuck is up with the sword fighting? I mean, the other movie's were okay, but here there was like ONE sword fight between two major characters, and the swords only ever went like this:

X

you mean ONE endless fight scene wasnt enough for you?

According to my brother because she stays faithful for ten years raising the guy's child he gets released from his duty of ferrying souls, which is why Davy Jones was so pissed about Calypso not being there after his first ten years. Effectively a cop out ending to make everyone happy at the end.

i think your brother is wrong. for him to be released there needs to be a new heart to put in the box. the afterlife cannot go without a soul ferryman.

davy jones was pissed because he got sex once every 10 years and she didnt show up

EDIT: DAMN TYPO! *really NOT reallt

Okay...I saw Pirates 3 yesterday...It was pretty good but I'm kinda confused...

First...What the Hell is Davy Jones supposed to be doing?

I thought he was just some guy wandering around the Oceans and collecting debts and crap...like in number 2, I guessed thats why Jack would want to become the new Captain of the Flying Dutchman...H egts to just cruise around the sea...BUT when Will stabs Davy Jones' heart he has to like ferry souls for 10 years or something? Whats up with that?


Second...Where the hell does Jack go at the end?

Is he going to get his ship back or is he going to that fountain of youth thing?


Third...What's Elizabeth gonna do now?

Is she the Pirate King (Queen?) or the new governor person since her dad is dead?


AND...What's up with Tia Dalma?

What happened to her? she just turned into a bunch of crabs...and whats the whole background story between her and Davy Jones?

So...yea...that movie confused me pretty thouroughly.....anyone have the answers to what the hell happened

I absolutely HATED Pirates 3!!!! It was the WORST movie ever that I've ever seen...EVER!!!!!!!!!

:upyours:(up yours) guys who made Pirates 3

It needed more explosions. It's action was not good enough to make up for the lack of a plot. And what the fuck is up with the sword fighting? I mean, the other movie's were okay, but here there was like ONE sword fight between two major characters, and the swords only ever went like this:

X

Ahem. There was a ship manned entirely by Captain Jack Sparrows. It had Keith bloody Richards as Captain Jack Sparrow's dad. If you wanted a deep plot, obviously this wasn't the movie for you.

My main complaint is that they ignored the potential for more than just a couple of quick scenes with the twin masseuses. And not just because they were twin masseuses. There was some serious vengeance potential there, except for the fact that they both got shot. Although I suppose that would just have made it that much more complicated.

i think your brother is wrong. for him to be released there needs to be a new heart to put in the box. the afterlife cannot go without a soul ferryman.

davy jones was pissed because he got sex once every 10 years and she didnt show up

That honestly sounds more likely to me, but the wiki on disagrees.

http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Will_Turner#One_day

i think your brother is wrong. for him to be released there needs to be a new heart to put in the box. the afterlife cannot go without a soul ferryman.

davy jones was pissed because he got sex once every 10 years and she didnt show up


The writers have stated that Elizabeth's fidelity to Will removed his curse, leaving it a happy ending as all Disney films.
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Turner)

Makes little sense, but it is disney after all.

According to my brother because she stays faithful for ten years raising the guy's child he gets released from his duty of ferrying souls, which is why Davy Jones was so pissed about Calypso not being there after his first ten years. Effectively a cop out ending to make everyone happy at the end.

I have to agree with the other poster, your brother is makin' shit up.

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Turner)

Makes little sense, but it is disney after all.
This article or section does not cite any references or sources.
Need better.

So, what did happen after the credits?

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Turner)

Makes little sense, but it is disney after all.

that is stupid and violates the davy jones mythg but that doesnt mean that it isnt true eh?

So, what did happen after the credits?

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.


One scene cut explained that if Calypso had greeted Davy Jones after his ten years of ferrying dead souls, then he would have been freed of his duty: in turn, Will is freed of his captaincy as Elizabeth remains faithful to him ten years later.[19] link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End#Production)

you mean ONE endless fight scene wasnt enough for you?

No, I mean their should've been a few shortish decent ones, instead of this hour of sticking things with swords. I mean, that movie could've EASILY had an hour cut off of it. Another example of this is the third Lord of the Rings movie, which could've been greatly improved by the omission of what felt like an hour at the end of hobbits crying in slow motion.

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End#Production)

sorry (to the writers) but scenes left on the cutting room floor are not canon. with that scene out of the movie, there is no happy ending.

that makes the movie even more lame.

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.

Originally Posted by wiki
One scene cut explained that if Calypso had greeted Davy Jones after his ten years of ferrying dead souls, then he would have been freed of his duty: in turn, Will is freed of his captaincy as Elizabeth remains faithful to him ten years later.[19]

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End#Production)

If that is correct, then whoever needs to cut that scene should be shot, since I left the movie assuming that Will would be ferrying dead souls for eternity while Elizabeth waited to see him once every ten years. If this had been included, I wouldn't have minded the hours of my life wasted on that movie nearly so much (I'd still mind, but at least the ending would have made sense).

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.
The Flying Dutchman. It's always The Flying Dutchman, and the Dutchman always needs a captain.

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End#Production)

At least this one has a source, but it's another forum (http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/moviesarc08/index.cgi?read=98721). I can't establish who this 'Terry' person is or why they're credible. S/he sounds like someone who worked on the movie, but...you know...internet.

No, I mean their should've been a few shortish decent ones, instead of this hour of sticking things with swords. I mean, that movie could've EASILY had an hour cut off of it. Another example of this is the third Lord of the Rings movie, which could've been greatly improved by the omission of what felt like an hour at the end of hobbits crying in slow motion.

oh ok. i certainly agree with that.

and the problem with the lotr (and its many endings) is that jackson HAD to be faithful to the book or get crucified and he had to leave out masses of stuff as it was. the third didnt deserve the oscar, the 2nd one did.

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.


about that...

is my and my son's theory that that is NOT will's son at all. after all they were only together that one day, whats the chances that it was a fertile day?

anyway

its a setup for the 4th movie "pirates of the caribbean: human sacrifice" and that boy is going to have his heart torn from his chest and stuffed in a box so that will can indeed be free.

I thought the second one was kind of boring, actually.

But anyway, I saw that Disney stayed true to form by offing Elizabeth's father. Disney really seems to get off on chicks with one or no parents.

I thought the second one was kind of boring, actually.

But anyway, I saw that Disney stayed true to form by offing Elizabeth's father. Disney really seems to get off on chicks with one or no parents.

And no mothers. Or evil or barely present ones.

its a setup for the 4th movie "pirates of the caribbean: human sacrifice" and that boy is going to have his heart torn from his chest and stuffed in a box so that will can indeed be free.

I think you've forgotten that this is a Disney movie.

I think you've forgotten that this is a Disney movie.

It's a Disney movie that began with a child hanged at the gallows, along with about twenty other people.

Florida. He's got the other dude's map and he's going to head him off there to beat him to the Fountain of Youth and get back the Black Pearl. So the answer is both.




They never establish that she gives up being the Queen of the Pirates, but she does live on that island and raises whatshisnuts' kid. She likely stays there and arbitrates differences with the Pirates.



That part bugged me. They go through all this nonsense and whatever, they release her and she doesn't smash Davy's ship or really do anything one way or the other. It's like she gets released and decides to create a dramatic setting for the final battle. What?

KID? What KID??!?

Did anyone see the bit after the credits? We didn't know about it and had a train to catch. What happened?

And just why do they put things after the credits? It's very annoying. The film's already nearly three hours long, must people be made to sit through ten minutes or more of scrolling words just to see the final little bit, really?
X-Men somethingorother did it too (but I knew about that one). Pain in the arse. WHY‽

Because some dumbass thought it would be a good idea

KID? What KID??!?

Because some dumbass thought it would be a good idea

The movies not over until the film runs out.

The movies not over until the film runs out.

In the future, you will have to watch almost 2 hours of blank screen to get to the cliffhanger. And then the next movie has two hours of blank screen before it starts.

The movies not over until the film runs out.

A reward for patience I suppose.

Yeah, but when you have to be off for a train you really can't hang around for ten minutes watching names you'll never remember of people you won't ever meet scroll past, waiting in case some wanker decided that hiding the ending after the credits would be funny.

And if they did try and twist a happy ending on it like that it's pretty rubbish, really. It doesn't have to have a happy ending. *Sigh*

That part bugged me. They go through all this nonsense and whatever, they release her and she doesn't smash Davy's ship or really do anything one way or the other. It's like she gets released and decides to create a dramatic setting for the final battle. What?

goddess of the sea creates a storm. She isn't just vengeful against Davy, (although, I would argue that is what leads to the maelstrom itself). She is also vengeful against the pirates. while Calypso doesn't have the power to just strike ships down, she influences the circumstances to put both ships in danger.

The best part of that movie was when the Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman were circling the malestrom.

The most annoying part of that movie was when the Endevour (?) the British flagship, sails up to destroy the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchman comes up and broadsides it on the opposite side of the Pearl. That British ship was a SHIP OF THE LINE (Im mostly sure) it carried at least 60 guns, from what you see in the movie, and if that stupid guy would have just said FIRE! the pirate ships would have been blown to shit along with it.

Makes little sense, but it is disney after all.

Indeed. The company that let the little mermaid live and be happy.
No reason to assume they would not twist their own "fairytales" to have a happy ending as well.

The most annoying part of that movie was when the Endevour (?) the British flagship, sails up to destroy the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchman comes up and broadsides it on the opposite side of the Pearl. That British ship was a SHIP OF THE LINE (Im mostly sure) it carried at least 60 guns, from what you see in the movie, and if that stupid guy would have just said FIRE! the pirate ships would have been blown to shit along with it.
Meh. Why would he care? He isn't going to get to be the Napoleon of the Seas or whatever his megalomaniac scheme was.

The best part of that movie was when the Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman were circling the malestrom.

The most annoying part of that movie was when the Endevour (?) the British flagship, sails up to destroy the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchman comes up and broadsides it on the opposite side of the Pearl. That British ship was a SHIP OF THE LINE (Im mostly sure) it carried at least 60 guns, from what you see in the movie, and if that stupid guy would have just said FIRE! the pirate ships would have been blown to shit along with it.

ships would rarely carry enough crew to man all guns. put in that situation, the ship would sink no matter what. The choice is hurt both ships and sink or kill one and sink

sorry (to the writers) but scenes left on the cutting room floor are not canon. with that scene out of the movie, there is no happy ending.

that makes the movie even more lame.

It wasn't left on the cutting room floor. It's in the movie - just after the credits.

YouTube is your friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nquTesXRc1w).

goddess of the sea creates a storm. She isn't just vengeful against Davy, (although, I would argue that is what leads to the maelstrom itself). She is also vengeful against the pirates. while Calypso doesn't have the power to just strike ships down, she influences the circumstances to put both ships in danger.

Still seems like a long way to go with a lot of pointless plotting to only amount to what was essentially a 'cool arena' for the final fight to take place in.
ships would rarely carry enough crew to man all guns. put in that situation, the ship would sink no matter what. The choice is hurt both ships and sink or kill one and sink
Plus there's the Dutchman being a 'supernatural' ship, and the Pearlis super fast so it can something...

It wasn't left on the cutting room floor. It's in the movie - just after the credits.

YouTube is your friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nquTesXRc1w).
That's not the scene she was talking about. The edited scene would explain waht happens if the true love was there.

It wasn't left on the cutting room floor. It's in the movie - just after the credits.

YouTube is your friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nquTesXRc1w).

That is not the scene explaining that if the love of the Dutchmans captain is still waiting for him after 10 years the curse is broken.

Ahh, my mistake...

Me bad...

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Ashmoria commented on this quote:

Apparently a short clip of the girl with a son (who from what I've learned in a quest to prove myself right for no good reason looks almost identical to the boy who got hanged at the start) and the new Davey Jones' Ship appearing over the horizon.


That's why I thought it was that scene that was beeing refered to. And that's in the movie...

I always wondered why the EIC was doing the West Indies The Royal Navy would of never let Johnny Company tread on their toes espicsaly in thier own zones of operations but that aside none of them really hold a light to Capt. Peter Blood or Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe

I always wondered why the EIC was doing the West Indies The Royal Navy would of never let Johnny Company tread on their toes espicsaly in thier own zones of operations but that aside none of them really hold a light to Capt. Peter Blood or Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe

But the part where the formerly undead pirates went to the after life to fetch a dude and his ship so that they could release the earth bound sea goddess and fight the supernatural ship crewed by fish men was entirely plausible?

I didn't stick around for the credits. Now I hear of this scene the movie makes more sense.

The bit that annoyed me was at the end, when the flagships were randomly out right in the middle of the battlefield shooting at each other. Come ON, East India Company, what the hell was the point of bringing the gigantic armada if it's just going to sit there and let Endeavour get blown up? I wanted to see a big battle. :(

I've edited the title for you. And I have to agree with Hamilay; there were two huge-ass fleets and the only combat was between the Black Pearl, the Endeavour, and the Flying Dutchman? I call suck on that. But then they only had four hulls to film with, according to the extras in Pirates 2 - they were actually painted differently on different sides so they could turn them around and have a different ship - so I suppose a Giant Sea Battle would have been somewhat difficult.

~ Tsarmageddon comes from the town of Shipwreck, in Shipwreck Cove, on Shipwreck Island.

how come the the EIC where never flying the correct jack on any of their vessels

To piss you off personally, with malice of forethought.

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Okay...I saw Pirates 3 yesterday...It was pretty good but I'm kinda confused...

First...What the Hell is Davy Jones supposed to be doing?

I thought he was just some guy wandering around the Oceans and collecting debts and crap...like in number 2, I guessed thats why Jack would want to become the new Captain of the Flying Dutchman...H egts to just cruise around the sea...BUT when Will stabs Davy Jones' heart he has to like ferry souls for 10 years or something? Whats up with that?


Second...Where the hell does Jack go at the end?

Is he going to get his ship back or is he going to that fountain of youth thing?


Third...What's Elizabeth gonna do now?

Is she the Pirate King (Queen?) or the new governor person since her dad is dead?


AND...What's up with Tia Dalma?

What happened to her? she just turned into a bunch of crabs...and whats the whole background story between her and Davy Jones?

So...yea...that movie confused me pretty thouroughly.....anyone have the answers to what the hell happened


Okay okay... I saw it three times... on opening night with my brother, with a date, and last night with some of my freinds. Here's how it goes...

Davy Jones was charged with escorting the souls of those who died at sea into the afterlife by the goddess Calypso in exchange for eternal life. Davy Jones was also the lover of Calypso; Calypso is a voodoo (Correct me if I'm wrong!) goddess who's dominion is the sea, like the seas she is unpredictable and free willed; like the ocean it is in her very fabric of being to be unpredicatble and to never hold to anything. When she wasn't there to be with him on that one day every decade he could come to shore to be with her he cut out his heart and helped the original pirate court bond her into a human form.

Jack Sparrow is going to search for Ponce De Leon's so called fountain of youth. He's not worried about finding the Black Pearl because knowing him, and knowing Barbosa, he is confident in the fact that Barbosa will bring the ship to him in a bid to get his map back. Then, in true Jack Sparrow Style he will pull something out of his ass and get the Pearl back once again.

(For the Record, Jack Sparrow has earned his spot as one of my favorite characters of all time both from the books and the movies.)

About Elizabeth.. other than guard the heart of Will? Good question...

Tia Dalma (whom I think is so totally hot when not under all that makeup) is the Goddess Calypso. Like I said earlier... she's what in DnD terms one would call Chaotic Nuetral. Basically, she just changed her mind about getting all that revenge and stuff and decided to create a cool final battle scene. Yes I know... strange.

Oh yes... and I bring to you the retreat of the British Armada in AOLese...


OMG! WTF? I think we are SOL! Time to GTFO!!11

I think you've forgotten that this is a Disney movie.

did you see this movie?

they HANG a child at the beginning of the movie and show stacks of dead bodies from the mass hangings.

after that there is no reason they cant do human sacrifice. love will out after all.

It wasn't left on the cutting room floor. It's in the movie - just after the credits.

YouTube is your friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nquTesXRc1w).

no darlin'

the part that was left on the cutting room floor was the scene where they explain that this is how the curse works and that IF calypso had been faithful and had shown up that day davy jones would have been freed from the curse.

and i cant watch video.