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JFK Airport Terror Plot

Homieville
02-06-2007, 19:06
Breaking News:::

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/02/jfk.terror.plot/index.html
Hynation
02-06-2007, 19:07
Light fuse...run away
Slaughterhouse five
02-06-2007, 19:20
Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow...they love JFK -- he's like the man. If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It's like you can kill the man twice

lol, they must really know lots about American culture :rolleyes:

hitting an airport is not the same as killing the president. at least not in the USA
The Nazz
02-06-2007, 20:05
I just read about that on MSNBC, and they compared it to the Fort Dix Six and the Miami Seven. If it turns out to be another one of these "they couldn't find their asses with both hands and a road map" terrorist cells, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
Gauthier
02-06-2007, 20:19
I just read about that on MSNBC, and they compared it to the Fort Dix Six and the Miami Seven. If it turns out to be another one of these "they couldn't find their asses with both hands and a road map" terrorist cells, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Which certainly means Beloved Dear Leader will highlight them as the biggest reason why we must Stay The Course in Iraq since this was obviously another Al'Qaeda sponsored field trip.
Newer Burmecia
02-06-2007, 20:23
Which certainly means Beloved Dear Leader will highlight them as the biggest reason why we must Stay The Course in Iraq since this was obviously another Al'Qaeda sponsored field trip.
Which wouldn't happen if we were fighting AQ in Ira...*ahem*...I mean letting ebil liberals emboldening the enemy.
New Manvir
02-06-2007, 20:35
lol, they must really know lots about American culture :rolleyes:

hitting an airport is not the same as killing the president. at least not in the USA

I LOL'ed at that too

"...It's like you can kill the man twice," one of the suspects said during a recorded phone conversation, officials said.

again, lol
The Brevious
02-06-2007, 21:16
Which wouldn't happen if we were fighting AQ in Ira...*ahem*...I mean letting ebil liberals emboldening the enemy.

:D
Cannot think of a name
02-06-2007, 21:40
lol, they must really know lots about American culture :rolleyes:

hitting an airport is not the same as killing the president. at least not in the USA

I was laughing at that too. "He's the man." Not that I want to play on a bad stoner stereotype, but that's what they sound like. Stoners on a couch coming up with bullshit plots.

And speaking of bullshit plots, wasn't this one from Casino Royale?
Lacadaemon
02-06-2007, 21:44
And speaking of bullshit plots, wasn't this one from Casino Royale?

No. In that case they were trying to blow up the new European Super-Jumbo to discredit the fictional alter ego of Airbus, so Lechiffre (sp-?) could make a fortune using the money he was 'holding' for an African warlord with a whole bunch of 'puts' on 'airbus' stock.

Of course bond foils the plot, and hilarity ensues.
Cannot think of a name
02-06-2007, 21:47
No. In that case they were trying to blow up the new European Super-Jumbo to discredit the fictional alter ego of Airbus, so Lechiffre (sp-?) could make a fortune using the money he was 'holding' for an African warlord with a whole bunch of 'puts' on 'airbus' stock.

Of course bond foils the plot, and hilarity ensues.

Yeah, but weren't they going to do that by blowing up a tanker truck?
The Plutonian Empire
02-06-2007, 21:57
Yeah, but weren't they going to do that by blowing up a tanker truck?
Yep. and right next to the a380 rip-off plane too.
Ifreann
02-06-2007, 21:58
Oh dear, now Bush will have to find Guyana on a map.
Hynation
02-06-2007, 21:59
Oh dear, now Bush will have to find Guyana on a map.

Guyana isn't on any map sir...:p
Ifreann
02-06-2007, 22:00
Guyana isn't on any map sir...:p

Which will make it much more difficult.
Hynation
02-06-2007, 22:02
Which will make it much more difficult.

Indeed...and if they do find it, the U.S will invade and re-name the nation to something the president can easily remember...
Lacadaemon
02-06-2007, 22:07
Yeah, but weren't they going to do that by blowing up a tanker truck?

I thought this plot was all about blowing up the fuel pipes, which would make them explode all the way back to New Jersey?

(And so I guess LeChiffre would make his money with 'puts' on port authority bonds. Cunning).
The Brevious
02-06-2007, 22:08
Indeed...and if they do find it, the U.S will invade and re-name the nation to something the president can easily remember...

Like "Halliburton"
or
"Pharmacia"
or
"My Pet Goat"
or
"Primerica"
or
"Diebold"
or
"22nd Amendment"
or
"Pretzel"
or
"Segway"
or
"Chinese Embassy"
or
"Italian Police Escort"
or
"Decider"
or
"Walter Reed"
or
"Attorney firings"
or .... at the risk of redundancy ....
Cannot think of a name
02-06-2007, 22:09
Oh dear, now Bush will have to find Guyana on a map.

Imagine how much time he'll waste scanning the Middle East for it before someone says something...
The Brevious
02-06-2007, 22:10
Indeed...and if they do find it, the U.S will invade and re-name the nation to something the president can easily remember...

Like "Halliburton"
or
"Pharmacia"
or
"My Pet Goat"
or
"Primerica"
or
"Diebold"
or
"22nd Amendment"
or
"Pretzel"
or
"Segway"
or
"Chinese Embassy"
or
"Tblisi Grenade"
or
"Italian Police Escort"
or
"Decider"
or
"Walter Reed"
or
"Attorney firings"
or .... at the risk of redundancy ....
Oklatex
02-06-2007, 23:20
As all the posts prior to this show, you can scoff and laugh at this all you want. However, don't ever doubt there really are people out there who want to kill you and destroy your way of life or have you forgotten this http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html ?
JuNii
02-06-2007, 23:32
I just read about that on MSNBC, and they compared it to the Fort Dix Six and the Miami Seven. If it turns out to be another one of these "they couldn't find their asses with both hands and a road map" terrorist cells, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

... so would that make these the JFK Four? :p
Maineiacs
02-06-2007, 23:47
As all the posts prior to this show, you can scoff and laugh at this all you want. However, don't ever doubt there really are people out there who want to kill you and destroy your way of life or have you forgotten this http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html ?

Where to begin about this cheap stunt? Are you by any chance Pres. Bush or AG Gonzalez? This looks like something they'd pull. I wouldn't be surprised to see this little "film" show up at the next GOP convention. Tell you what; while you're cowering under the bed with your trusty shotgun, the rest of us will get on with our lives. The NYPD and FDNY were heroes that day, and you're cheapening their sacrifice.
Katganistan
02-06-2007, 23:50
"Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow ... they love JFK -- he's like the man," former JFK airport cargo worker Russell Defreitas said in a telephone conversation monitored by the FBI.

"If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It's like you can kill the man twice," Defreitas added.


JFK is my nearest airport, and for the record: No one I know "loves" JFK to the point where blowing up an airport named after him would be tantamount to killing a beloved president a second time.

That reeks of stupid.
Hynation
02-06-2007, 23:51
As all the posts prior to this show, you can scoff and laugh at this all you want. However, don't ever doubt there really are people out there who want to kill you and destroy your way of life or have you forgotten this http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html ?

Oh My God! I'M GONNA DIE! :eek:
Cannot think of a name
02-06-2007, 23:52
As all the posts prior to this show, you can scoff and laugh at this all you want. However, don't ever doubt there really are people out there who want to kill you and destroy your way of life or have you forgotten this http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html ?
Gosh, did something happen on September 11th, 2001? Didn't the New York skyline look different not too long ago?

I love these ridiculous claims that people 'forgot' (as if that would even be possible in todays climate) 9/11. What really happens is that someone refuses to acknowledge 9/11 as an excuse for whatever and therefore have 'forgotten' 9/11. It's really kind of silly, and a bit sad.

First, you look like a complete moron trying to say that people actually forgot probably the most reported thing in history. Especially as it was only 5 years ago and we're still stuck in the war that it was used to justify. Candidates are still running for office from president down to practically state comptroller on 9/11 as an issue. To go around trying to imply that people have actually forgotten something that is tinted into almost every aspect of life since it happened makes you look like someone reminding people that the sky is blue. Yeah, dude. Just because we don't put into every sentence, "And the sky is blue," doesn't mean we don't know it is.

And the extension, that we somehow don't know that there are people who would do us harm...laughably ridiculous.

What's really at issue is how to deal with the problem. To imply that people with a different approach or view of the situation have 'forgotten' something as pervasive as 9/11 is beyond intellectual dishonesty and wallows in pure clown territory. And thats' being unkind to clowns.
JuNii
03-06-2007, 00:04
JFK is my nearest airport, and for the record: No one I know "loves" JFK to the point where blowing up an airport named after him would be tantamount to killing a beloved president a second time.

That reeks of stupid.

to be honest... it was an EMPLOYEE saying that... :rolleyes:
Hunter S Thompsonia
03-06-2007, 00:30
Gosh, did something happen on September 11th, 2001? Didn't the New York skyline look different not too long ago?

I love these ridiculous claims that people 'forgot' (as if that would even be possible in todays climate) 9/11. What really happens is that someone refuses to acknowledge 9/11 as an excuse for whatever and therefore have 'forgotten' 9/11. It's really kind of silly, and a bit sad.

First, you look like a complete moron trying to say that people actually forgot probably the most reported thing in history. Especially as it was only 5 years ago and we're still stuck in the war that it was used to justify. Candidates are still running for office from president down to practically state comptroller on 9/11 as an issue. To go around trying to imply that people have actually forgotten something that is tinted into almost every aspect of life since it happened makes you look like someone reminding people that the sky is blue. Yeah, dude. Just because we don't put into every sentence, "And the sky is blue," doesn't mean we don't know it is.

And the extension, that we somehow don't know that there are people who would do us harm...laughably ridiculous.

What's really at issue is how to deal with the problem. To imply that people with a different approach or view of the situation have 'forgotten' something as pervasive as 9/11 is beyond intellectual dishonesty and wallows in pure clown territory. And thats' being unkind to clowns.

*applauds*
Zarakon
03-06-2007, 00:48
to be honest... it was an EMPLOYEE saying that... :rolleyes:

Oh, that explains that then. I'd think it was a bummer too if a building I was in got blown up.
Zilam
03-06-2007, 01:10
I saw where Fox made it a point to mention that it was because of Wiretapping that this plot was "foiled". SO I suppose they will use it as a justification for increased wiretapping.

And even if they tried to do something, it wouldn't work, as with most every pipe made now a days, there is an automatic shut off valve if too much pressure is exerted.
Utracia
03-06-2007, 01:29
I didn't bother reading the article but I'm just going to assume the "plot" was a dumb one. Maybe not rivaling the so-called plot against the Sears Tower but still dumb.
FreedomAndGlory
03-06-2007, 01:44
As a wise man once said, those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It seems that a potential catastrophe on an unimaginable scale has been averted because we have learned the lessons of the past. This is proof positive that the measures enacted by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11 were fruitful.
Maineiacs
03-06-2007, 02:13
As a wise man once said, those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It seems that a potential catastrophe on an unimaginable scale has been averted because we have learned the lessons of the past. This is proof positive that the measures enacted by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11 were fruitful.

Do you ever actually read the posts? This wasn't "a potential catastrophe on an unimaginable scale", as your hyperbolic post would have it. It was a bunch of idiots who likely, had they had a bomb, would have blown themselves up before they got within a mile of JFK.

Homeland Security sources said there is no current threat at the airport and the attack as planned was "not technically feasible."

Even the administration you so blindly support says this was not a serious threat. Face it, FreedomAndGlory, you've become nothing but a sad parody.
Prumpa
03-06-2007, 04:57
What do terrorists love New York? I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but they never target anywhere in Kansas or Florida.
Wilgrove
03-06-2007, 05:13
What do terrorists love New York? I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but they never target anywhere in Kansas or Florida.

New York: One of the biggest city in USA, lotsa people. Also has some of the richest business HQ here, also has the most money going in and out of it, has three MAJOR airports, and I do mean MAJOR. JFK, Guardia, and I can't think of the third one. Also, almost everyone knows where New York is, even the tribes in the Rain Forest knows where it is.

Kanasas: Bunch of flat land with sparse population, honestly what does Kanasas have?

Florida: Filled with old people who are about to die anyways, so all they'd really be doing is speeding up the dying process. Florida is the retirement home state.
Prumpa
03-06-2007, 05:20
New York: One of the biggest city in USA, lotsa people. Also has some of the richest business HQ here, also has the most money going in and out of it, has three MAJOR airports, and I do mean MAJOR. JFK, Guardia, and I can't think of the third one. Also, almost everyone knows where New York is, even the tribes in the Rain Forest knows where it is.

Kanasas: Bunch of flat land with sparse population, honestly what does Kanasas have?

Florida: Filled with old people who are about to die anyways, so all they'd really be doing is speeding up the dying process. Florida is the retirement home state.

The third one's Newark, which is technically in NJ, but still close enough. However, living in New York State, I feel victimized. The terrorists aren't secretly sending us love signs by trying to blow us to smitherines.
JuNii
03-06-2007, 05:22
Oh, that explains that then. I'd think it was a bummer too if a building I was in got blown up.

yeah... if someone blew up a building I was in... Damn straight I'd take it personally! :p
Wilgrove
03-06-2007, 05:28
The third one's Newark, which is technically in NJ, but still close enough. However, living in New York State, I feel victimized. The terrorists aren't secretly sending us love signs by trying to blow us to smitherines.

I'm sorry for that, but the fact is, if terrorist want to cause the most damage to us, it's to strike at a major city that's on the world stage. Cities like NYC, Paris, London, L.A. are all on the world stage.
Prumpa
03-06-2007, 05:32
I'm sorry for that, but the fact is, if terrorist want to cause the most damage to us, it's to strike at a major city that's on the world stage. Cities like NYC, Paris, London, L.A. are all on the world stage.

They never go after LA, either. Same with Chicago. They do with Washington, though.
Though you know, I wonder if they need to go after high-value targets. I mean, if someone blows himself up at a gas station, he'd command just as much media attention and scare people shitless. But then again, I'm not in the business of scaring people.
Wilgrove
03-06-2007, 05:39
They never go after LA, either. Same with Chicago. They do with Washington, though.
Though you know, I wonder if they need to go after high-value targets. I mean, if someone blows himself up at a gas station, he'd command just as much media attention and scare people shitless. But then again, I'm not in the business of scaring people.

If I was a terrorist, I'd want to go after a target that'll cause damage on an economic, political, and social scale. That's why the WTC was attacked (economic & Social) as well as the Pentagon (Political).

I would have to say I'd strike & this is just make believe, I don't need FBI and the CIA outside my door tomorrow. the Capitol building, HQs for major banks like Wachovia or Bank of America (Economics) and I would strike Grand Central Station (Social) all at one time.
FreedomAndGlory
03-06-2007, 05:42
Even the administration you so blindly support says this was not a serious threat.

Of course they'd say that. They do not wish to alarm the populace; thus, they play down threats of even grave importance. No matter what comforting words the administration whispers in the people's ear, however, the truth remains that this fiendish plot could have yielded horrific consequences. Countless lives could have been lost had the scheme come to fruition; no matter how ill-concocted, evil plans such as these have the potential to claim many souls. Furthermore, destructive explosive devices in densely populated areas are always a serious threat.

As a side note, I hardly support the administration "blindly," troll.
Prumpa
03-06-2007, 05:45
If I was a terrorist, I'd want to go after a target that'll cause damage on an economic, political, and social scale. That's why the WTC was attacked (economic & Social) as well as the Pentagon (Political).

I would have to say I'd strike & this is just make believe, I don't need FBI and the CIA outside my door tomorrow. the Capitol building, HQs for major banks like Wachovia or Bank of America (Economics) and I would strike Grand Central Station (Social) all at one time.
Yes, but the terrorists who planned Sept. 11th had one major advantage: time. This was being planned and executed over five years, when no one was looking for them. Now, it'd be nearly impossible to plan and execute a major attack on US soil, especially because the highest value targets are so well guarded. Capitol Hill, for instance, is the most heavily policed square mile in the world. I'd just be interested in scarring the shit out of people. It's especially easy to do these days because I think Americans, on the whole, are more lax than they were after Sept. 11th. No one even tells us to be vigilant anymore. And what ever happened to that color coded thing from Homeland Security?
Wilgrove
03-06-2007, 05:48
Yes, but the terrorists who planned Sept. 11th had one major advantage: time. This was being planned and executed over five years, when no one was looking for them. Now, it'd be nearly impossible to plan and execute a major attack on US soil, especially because the highest value targets are so well guarded. Capitol Hill, for instance, is the most heavily policed square mile in the world. I'd just be interested in scarring the shit out of people. It's especially easy to do these days because I think Americans, on the whole, are more lax than they were after Sept. 11th. No one even tells us to be vigilant anymore. And what ever happened to that color coded thing from Homeland Security?

You do have a point there, maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this lol.
Prumpa
03-06-2007, 05:51
You do have a point there, maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this lol.

It's okay. We need more people to think like terrorists. Ultimately, it's the only way we'll ever beat them.
Maineiacs
03-06-2007, 12:06
Of course they'd say that. They do not wish to alarm the populace; thus, they play down threats of even grave importance. No matter what comforting words the administration whispers in the people's ear, however, the truth remains that this fiendish plot could have yielded horrific consequences. Countless lives could have been lost had the scheme come to fruition; no matter how ill-concocted, evil plans such as these have the potential to claim many souls. Furthermore, destructive explosive devices in densely populated areas are always a serious threat.

As a side note, I hardly support the administration "blindly," troll.

Woohoo! NSG's favorite troll called li'l ol' me a troll! I'm so touched and honored. I'd like to thank the Academy...

Seriously, FAG, you need to deal with this paranoia issue.
Darknovae
03-06-2007, 14:41
Of course they'd say that. They do not wish to alarm the populace; thus, they play down threats of even grave importance. No matter what comforting words the administration whispers in the people's ear, however, the truth remains that this fiendish plot could have yielded horrific consequences. Countless lives could have been lost had the scheme come to fruition; no matter how ill-concocted, evil plans such as these have the potential to claim many souls. Furthermore, destructive explosive devices in densely populated areas are always a serious threat.

As a side note, I hardly support the administration "blindly," troll.

Dude, the Bush administration would only say it BECAUSE IT WASN'T A THREAT. Yes, if these guys *had* managed to get a bomb and blow up JFK Airport, it would have been horrible, though not as damaging as you may think.

"This fiendish plot..." BS. This was so poorly done it's amazing that the would-be terrorists could even find NYC on a map. They didn't even have a bomb! It was technically unfeasible anyway!

And you called Maineiacs a troll... Well done, MtaE! :rolleyes:
Katganistan
03-06-2007, 14:50
to be honest... it was an EMPLOYEE saying that... :rolleyes:

And the employee reeks of stupid. Honestly, do people walk through the airport expounding on JFK's policies? Talking about what a shame it is someone killed him back in 1963? Or do they sit there wondering how long it's going to take to get through security, whether they will ever see their luggage again, and whether they're going to sit on the tarmac for hours?

What do terrorists love New York? I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but they never target anywhere in Kansas or Florida.

Not to be rude, but.... Kansas is not a huge financial center or tourist destination.

And I'd be surprised if the folks down in Orlando did NOT have some kind of plans in place for terrorism attacks -- from what I recall hearing at the time, the Disney parks went on lockdown, were immediately evacuated, and a bunch of businessmen at a huge conference were all immediately gotten into car pools and sent home on September 11th, 2001.
FreedomAndGlory
03-06-2007, 18:22
though not as damaging as you may think.

Do you not consider such ghastly carnage on a tremendous scale to be "damaging"? Do you not think that the futile and senseless loss of life at the hands of extremists is "damaging"? Such execrable acts are substantially harmful and damaging to the nation.

This was so poorly done it's amazing that the would-be terrorists could even find NYC on a map.

Don't underestimate the capacity of the twisted minds of terrorists to hatch a diabolical scheme. They sought expert advice and meticulously planned their abhorrent crime; given sufficient time, their maleficent plot might have very well succeeded.

And you called Maineiacs a troll

I did so because he was flame-baiting me; this frowned-upon use of language was pervasive throughout his entire post.
Greater Trostia
03-06-2007, 18:40
Of course they'd say that. They do not wish to alarm the populace; thus, they play down threats of even grave importance. No matter what comforting words the administration whispers in the people's ear, however, the truth remains that this fiendish plot could have yielded horrific consequences. Countless lives could have been lost had the scheme come to fruition; no matter how ill-concocted, evil plans such as these have the potential to claim many souls. Furthermore, destructive explosive devices in densely populated areas are always a serious threat.

As a side note, I hardly support the administration "blindly," troll.

I wonder if your transparent and obvious use of overblown language to indicate an appearance of intellect is part of your trolling persona or if you conceived of the circumloquatiousness as a more general affectation in your social interactions?

At any rate MTAE, calling anyone you disagree with a "troll" is, besides being the height of hypocrisy, itself a form of baiting. I would refrain from it if I were you.
Darknovae
03-06-2007, 18:42
Do you not consider such ghastly carnage on a tremendous scale to be "damaging"? Do you not think that the futile and senseless loss of life at the hands of extremists is "damaging"? Such execrable acts are substantially harmful and damaging to the nation.
One airport will not destroy the whole nation. And these "terrorists" were complete idiots. The plot was technically impossible to execute, and they didn't actually have a bomb.

Don't underestimate the capacity of the twisted minds of terrorists to hatch a diabolical scheme. They sought expert advice and meticulously planned their abhorrent crime; given sufficient time, their maleficent plot might have very well succeeded. "expert advice"? You said yourself that the plan was "ill-concocted". It was poorly done and it wasn't meticulous at all. "Given sufficient time"... the plan still would have failed.

I did so because he was flame-baiting me; this frowned-upon use of language was pervasive throughout his entire post. Do you ever actually read the posts? This wasn't "a potential catastrophe on an unimaginable scale", as your hyperbolic post would have it. It was a bunch of idiots who likely, had they had a bomb, would have blown themselves up before they got within a mile of JFK.
Even the administration you so blindly support says this was not a serious threat. Face it, FreedomAndGlory, you've become nothing but a sad parody.
He wasn't flamebaiting, and the use of language is hardly "frowned uopn."
Ifreann
03-06-2007, 18:50
Do you not consider such ghastly carnage on a tremendous scale to be "damaging"?

I know oil is precious these days, but even if they did manage to get a functioning bomb to detonate on or near the fuel supply tanks and pipelines they were targeting it likely wouldn't kill many people, if any. Nor would it do a great deal of damage, since the fire crews at the airport will no doubt have a well thought out plan about how to deal with such an event(fuel tanks or pipelines catching fire). The main loss would probably be the cost of replacing the pipelines, tanks and fuel.
FreedomAndGlory
03-06-2007, 19:15
One airport will not destroy the whole nation.

Nor will one nuclear bomb detonated in New York; however, both disasters would be capable of crippling the nation economically and exacting a harsh penalty in terms of human lives.

The plot was technically impossible to execute, and they didn't actually have a bomb.

It was technically impossible because of our increased security measures, and bombs are not that difficult to obtain if you know where to look, as a terrorist does.

"expert advice"? You said yourself that the plan was "ill-concocted".

According to the article, they assiduously sought expert advice. Also, I meant that the plan was concocted with ill will in mind, not that it was poorly planned.

He wasn't flamebaiting.

He certainly was; I counted several insults in there, including terming me "a sad parody."
Dundee-Fienn
03-06-2007, 19:19
It was technically impossible because of our increased security measures, and bombs are not that difficult to obtain if you know where to look, as a terrorist does.


You can prove they knew where to look? I mean based on anything other than the title assigned to them
Darknovae
03-06-2007, 19:44
Nor will one nuclear bomb detonated in New York; however, both disasters would be capable of crippling the nation economically and exacting a harsh penalty in terms of human lives.
Bombing one airport will not cripple the USA. People would be killed, if the plot was even remotely intelligent.

It was technically impossible because of our increased security measures, and bombs are not that difficult to obtain if you know where to look, as a terrorist does. See, this is why Maine said you were "blindly supporting" the Bush Administration. These "terrorists" may have *sought* expert advice, but they obviously didn't get it, now did they?

According to the article, they assiduously sought expert advice. Also, I meant that the plan was concocted with ill will in mind, not that it was poorly planned. It was poorly planned. Have you read the article or the thread?


He certainly was; I counted several insults in there, including terming me "a sad parody." That's because you're clearly trolling and you're probably yet another incarnation of MeansToAnEnd. I know your style.
Ifreann
03-06-2007, 19:57
Nor will one nuclear bomb detonated in New York; however, both disasters would be capable of crippling the nation economically and exacting a harsh penalty in terms of human lives.
This plot was not capable of destroying the whole airport.



It was technically impossible because of our increased security measures
Technically impossible means(at least in my opinion) that their bomb would either not have exploded at all, or wouldn't have had the intended affect if it did. If they were foiled by new security measures the press release would have boiled down to "Look what our great new security measures can do! they stopped teh evil terrorists!".



According to the article, they assiduously sought expert advice. Also, I meant that the plan was concocted with ill will in mind, not that it was poorly planned.
Their plan was poorly planned.
Maineiacs
03-06-2007, 20:11
Oh, and for the record MTAE, if anything the Bush administration would have played up the danger had there been any danger to play up. This would have been a wonderful opportunity for propaganda.
Newtdom
03-06-2007, 21:47
How can you claim that blowing up any part of JFK would result in very little over all damage?

Yeah, it is just one airport, that the majority of Americans do not use. However, it is one of the most trafficed airports in the nation. 45 million passengers a year. Not to mention the countless amount of goods flying into that port as well. If JFK had been attacked we would have all faced a great deal of economic loss. So, yes there were some tremendous dangers if the attack had worked.

And I will only touch on the fact that if it had worked, it would have caused just about every airline to go under...again...just because the government would stop airtraffic for atleast two weeks, and all of the major airlines are barely making enough profit to handle such a shut down.

So economically speaking, this attack would have done a great deal of damage. Socially as well, most people would be at the least worried of flying, which we saw following 9/11.
Ashmoria
03-06-2007, 22:12
How can you claim that blowing up any part of JFK would result in very little over all damage?

Yeah, it is just one airport, that the majority of Americans do not use. However, it is one of the most trafficed airports in the nation. 45 million passengers a year. Not to mention the countless amount of goods flying into that port as well. If JFK had been attacked we would have all faced a great deal of economic loss. So, yes there were some tremendous dangers if the attack had worked.

And I will only touch on the fact that if it had worked, it would have caused just about every airline to go under...again...just because the government would stop airtraffic for atleast two weeks, and all of the major airlines are barely making enough profit to handle such a shut down.

So economically speaking, this attack would have done a great deal of damage. Socially as well, most people would be at the least worried of flying, which we saw following 9/11.

well, the men thought that it would be devastating both in terms of physical damage and in terms of psychological damage because jfk would be "killed" again.

they are so incompetent that they had no clue how stupid their plan was, that it had been busted for over a year, they didnt have explosives or know how to use the, didnt have any real ties to any international terrorists because they were too stupid to know how to get hooked up.

they werent particularly dangerous and obviously the FBI followed them for a year hoping that they could bring in bigger fish who would be actually dangerous and worth catching.

which is not to suggest that they shouldnt be going to prison, just that you shouldnt be losing any sleep over the idea that men like this are loose in the US.
Darknovae
03-06-2007, 22:28
How can you claim that blowing up any part of JFK would result in very little over all damage?

Yeah, it is just one airport, that the majority of Americans do not use. However, it is one of the most trafficed airports in the nation. 45 million passengers a year. Not to mention the countless amount of goods flying into that port as well. If JFK had been attacked we would have all faced a great deal of economic loss. So, yes there were some tremendous dangers if the attack had worked.

And I will only touch on the fact that if it had worked, it would have caused just about every airline to go under...again...just because the government would stop airtraffic for atleast two weeks, and all of the major airlines are barely making enough profit to handle such a shut down.

So economically speaking, this attack would have done a great deal of damage. Socially as well, most people would be at the least worried of flying, which we saw following 9/11.

It would have done some serious economic damage, yes. But that's not what these idiots were looking for.
Newtdom
03-06-2007, 23:40
I sincerely doubt you know exactly what they were thinking. Regardless of whatever news organization reports. Or what has been released by the government from wiretapings, etc.
Darknovae
03-06-2007, 23:55
I sincerely doubt you know exactly what they were thinking. Regardless of whatever news organization reports. Or what has been released by the government from wiretapings, etc.

They were looking to politically and emotionally collapse America, hence the "it's like killing the man [JFK] twice" comment.

No, I don't know exactly what htey were thinking, but that's what it looks like.
The Nazz
04-06-2007, 00:27
As a wise man once said, those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It seems that a potential catastrophe on an unimaginable scale has been averted because we have learned the lessons of the past. This is proof positive that the measures enacted by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11 were fruitful.

So in other words, the US is doomed to a repeat of the 9/11 attacks as long as the Republicans have power, right?
Newtdom
04-06-2007, 01:48
I understand the idiocy in the statements made. But these "idiots" are members of a larger group from Trinidad, who in 1990 sucessfully kidnapped the Prime Minister for five days in an attempt to take over the country. Don't push them aside because of a few released statements.
Non Aligned States
04-06-2007, 03:28
At any rate MTAE, calling anyone you disagree with a "troll" is, besides being the height of hypocrisy, itself a form of baiting. I would refrain from it if I were you.

Don't tell him that! I want FAG to spew enough rope that when we hang him, his head will pop like a tic tac.
Gauthier
04-06-2007, 04:07
Don't tell him that! I want FAG to spew enough rope that when we hang him, his head will pop like a tic tac.

You mean a Pez Dispenser right?

And your head would have to be a block of candy to remain a hardcore Bushevik through 7 years of proven disaster, if you think about it.
The Nazz
04-06-2007, 05:16
You mean a Pez Dispenser right?

And your head would have to be a block of candy to remain a hardcore Bushevik through 7 years of proven disaster, if you think about it.

Not really. All you have to be is either 1) one of the people at the top of the food chain tax wise (or you have to delude yourself into thinking you are), 2) scared shitless at the prospect of another terror attack, i.e. a coward, 3) a person who gets all of his or her news from right-wing sources like Limbaugh and Fox news or 4) a person sufficiently deluded that you believe wrecking the earth is God's will because it will bring the rapture sooner. That apparently accounts for about 30% of the US population.
Non Aligned States
04-06-2007, 06:59
That apparently accounts for about 30% of the US population.

Could do with some culling.