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Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

This will not end well.

Just what we need, a whole industry of felons. Build more prisons, I guess? The US has never had enough prisons. Or criminals. MOAR!

So, what qualifies as a violent game these days?

So, what qualifies as a violent game these days?

Pong. You'll note how the paddles are always getting hit.

Because it worked so well with cigarettes...

Seriously, the industry got together and made a rating system for you. All you have to do is look at the symbol on the box and read it. That parents can't take the seconds to read the rating isn't the industry's fault.

A felony? Sweet zombie jesus, what's the penalty for blithely ignoring game ratings and buying a horribly violent game for your child?

I blame Hillary Clinton, damn her. What do we have too few people in jail, need to squeeze some more bodies in? Making something like this a felony? Idiocy abounds I see. Why can't parents do their fucking job instead of making everyone else help raise their kids?

But you can buy a Gun.

So that's nice to know that everyone's safety is being considered.

Indeed. I do not understand why Hillary is respected. She's nutso.

That's kind of retarded. Someone can lose their right to vote, own guns, or own a race horse for life all because when they were 18 they sold Grand Theft Auto to a twelve year old.

I blame Hillary Clinton, damn her. What do we have too few people in jail, need to squeeze some more bodies in? Making something like this a felony? Idiocy abounds I see. Why can't parents do their fucking job instead of making everyone else help raise their kids?

I blame Tipper Gore. The fucking bitch. *nods*

That's kind of retarded. Someone can lose their right to vote, own guns, or own a race horse for life all because when they were 18 they sold Grand Theft Auto to a twelve year old.

Even better, because they sold halo to a 17 year old.

Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

By the way do you have a non-Gamespot source? I loathe to patronize that tabloid.

Okay, I can see it being a misdemeanor... barely. But a god damn felony? That is idiotic. Yes, it is the same level of crime as beating the shit out of someone for no reason, and killing someone. Somehow.

Idiotic people.

:rolleyes: dumb

Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

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Why can't they just leave us alone?

Now all the widdle babies will cry, "waaaaah, i can't get my wideo gammmmmmeeeeeee."

A felony? Sweet zombie jesus, what's the penalty for blithely ignoring game ratings and buying a horribly violent game for your child?

You get to sue the company who made the game.

By the way do you have a non-Gamespot source? I loathe to patronize that tabloid.

I apologize. That's the only one the almighty Slashdot gave me.

That's kind of retarded. Someone can lose their right to ..... own guns.

You say that like it's a bad thing

I apologize. That's the only one the almighty Slashdot gave me.

Yeah I saw the blurb on slashdot and the link to gamespot.

You say that like it's a bad thing

If I hear one more of my fellow liberals act like guns are the most horrid thing in existence, I will register Republican just to spite them.

If I hear one more of my fellow liberals act like guns are the most horrid thing in existence, I will register Republican just to spite them.

If only the nutso right wingers have militias, how will we defend ourselves?

If I hear one more of my fellow liberals act like guns are the most horrid thing in existence, I will register Republican just to spite them.

Dude, don't aid in the hi-jacking of your own thread.

They should just sell the empty game-boxes, and if it has a game in it, you get to keep it for free. That way technically they're not selling games.
Alternatively, charge people to enter the store, and turn a blind eye while they 'steal' the game :p

does becoming a politician mean checking your common sense at the door?

its not like a 15 year old buys a video game and plays it out behind the barn. if a parent doesnt want little johnny playing violent games she tells him NO and supervises his game playing. there is no need to keep them in a brown paper wrapper for fear that kids are going to be sneaking them behind mommy's back.

parents buy these games, parents let their kids buy these games, and everyone in the family plays them. not letting the 16 year old buy one just means that MOM will have to go into the store and buy it for him (and for herself).

these people are retarded.

I blame Hillary Clinton, damn her. What do we have too few people in jail, need to squeeze some more bodies in? Making something like this a felony? Idiocy abounds I see. Why can't parents do their fucking job instead of making everyone else help raise their kids?

it takes a village apparently.

If I hear one more of my fellow liberals act like guns are the most horrid thing in existence, I will register Republican just to spite them.

No, you're absolutely right. I want to live in a world where video game shop owners are all armed.

You say that like it's a bad thing

It is a bad thing. You know why the King of England can't push me around? Because I have a gun, that's why. I would hate to see someone end up paying tax to the crown on his tea, or being forced to quarter redcoats in his home just because he sold a kid a video game.

No, you're absolutely right. I want to live in a world where video game shop owners are all armed.

You're a hoplophobe. Get over it.

Now all the widdle babies will cry, "waaaaah, i can't get my wideo gammmmmmeeeeeee."

Clearly someone does not understand the issue here

Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

Link is blocked. can someone Cut and Paste the article?

No, you're absolutely right. I want to live in a world where video game shop owners are all armed.

Yes, because the nerdy guy at your local Gamestop is extremely intimidating. :p

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NY Assembly passes game bill
Proposed legislation to keep games with "depraved violence and indecent images" out of kids' hands clears its first hurdle.
By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpot
Posted May 31, 2007 7:29 pm GMT

Earlier this month, state senators in New York approved a bill that would make rating labels on games mandatory just four days after it was introduced. Yesterday, a different gaming bill passed the state's Assembly, five days after it was introduced.

That bill, A8696, would make it a class E felony to sell or rent to minors any game that includes "depictions of depraved violence and indecent images." It would also prohibit the sale of home gaming consoles without parental restriction options and establish an advisory council to appraise the work of the Entertainment Software Rating Board.

The Entertainment Merchants Association retailer trade group quickly denounced the bill as ill-conceived and unconstitutional.

"This bill is impermissibly vague," EMA president Bo Andersen said in a statement. "A8696 seeks to apply real-world standards of violence to the fictional and fanciful world of video games, an environment in which they have no meaning. As a result, retailers and clerks will not and cannot know with certainty which video games could send them to jail under A8696. It was depressing to hear members of the Assembly note the constitutional problems with the bill and then state that they were voting for it."

While previous game restriction laws in Illinois, Louisiana, Minnesota, and Michigan have been overturned in court challenges, New York's lawmakers appear unfazed by the prospect of a legal battle over the issue. Both branches of the New York state legislature have passed game restriction laws this month, and last month Governor Eliot Spitzer promised legislation "protecting [children] from violent video games."

Thar we go.

it takes a village apparently.

I assume so, passing these laws to keep kids away from these horrible games when the parents should be doing that. Unbelievable. But I guess avoiding responsibility and blaming others is what is done these days. So forcing merchants to do the job of parents fits right in.

No, you're absolutely right. I want to live in a world where video game shop owners are all armed.
Why video game shop owners in specific? Of all the segments of the US population, they seem like the least dangerous to me.
Now, Senators on the other hand, those motherfuckers are dangerous, repeat felons and wanna-be gangstas the lot.

Wait a minute? Establish a council to oversee the ESRB?

Am I the only one that's more than a little unsettled by that?

Wait a minute? Establish a council to oversee the ESRB?

Am I the only one that's more than a little unsettled by that?

Nope...

But I assume it only applies to the ESRB stuff going into New York. Otherwise that'd be a bad state sovereignty problem...

Yes, because the nerdy guy at your local Gamestop is extremely intimidating. :p

Remember: He's been training on murder simulators all his life.

Selling age-rated games and films to underage people is illegal here, too (both are subject to the same rules), and it doesn't cause any problems (actually, few people care).

I don't know your different levels of crime, but quite a lot of gamers have been hoping the yanks'd pass laws like this so Jack Thompson would shut up and people would stop bitching and suing publishers and developers, so they could get back to making games, and we could all get back to playing them.

It shouldn't take laws to make people behave sensibly, but apparently it does. So there we go.

This is an excellent, excellent idea.

The next thing we should do is charge McDonald's employees with felonies for serving fatty foods to kids.

Because nothing says "parental responsibility" like not actually needing to be responsible anymore.

Selling age-rated games and films to underage people is illegal here, too (both are subject to the same rules), and it doesn't cause any problems (actually, few people care).

I don't know your different levels of crime, but quite a lot of gamers have been hoping the yanks'd pass laws like this so Jack Thompson would shut up and people would stop bitching and suing publishers and developers, so they could get back to making games, and we could all get back to playing them.


And if I thought this law would actually help, I would be right there with you.

I don't see making it illegal to sell the games to minors putting an end to parents being stupid and suing game companies. I especially don't see Jack Thompson ending his crusade just because of this either.

I agree that there should be a penalty for selling "M" rated games to minors. I don't agree that the state, however, should have any say in how the ESRB rates it's games (which this bill will allow for).

The game company has done their part, they've voluntarily (well, sort of) put together a rating system that every company abides by that warns parents of possible inappropriate content. Parents need to start paying attention and do their part.

It is a bad thing. You know why the King of England can't push me around?

Many reasons, not least being England doesn't currently have a King, on top of this the British (not English) monarchy is purely ceremonial these days and has no actual bearing on the process of government so it would most likely be the British Parliament that would potentially try to push you around, which they don't want to but if they did you owning a .44 Magnum and pretending to be Clint Eastwood is unlikely to deter either the British or indeed any other Government.

Many reasons, not least being England doesn't currently have a King, on top of this the British (not English) monarchy is purely ceremonial these days and has no actual bearing on the process of government so it would most likely be the British Parliament that would potentially try to push you around, which they don't want to but if they did you owning a .44 Magnum and pretending to be Clint Eastwood is unlikely to deter either the British or indeed any other Government.

Technically we have laws that do mean that the Monarch does have a significant amount of influence if she so chooses. She just decides not to.

Technically we have laws that do mean that the Monarch does have a significant amount of influence if she so chooses. She just decides not to.

Yeah, isn't the Queen of England technically the most powerful person in the world?

Technically we have laws that do mean that the Monarch does have a significant amount of influence if she so chooses. She just decides not to.

You are of course correct, but I didn't feel there was sufficient bandwidth to try to explain the concept of a constitutional monarchy to the Septics on here.

Why the fuck are politicians spending time making video game laws when they should be focusing on other things? I mean, what do politicians think? Video games made their state the hellhole it is?

I saw someone buy GTA Somethingorother for her preteen kind (I think he was in the 7-10 range). This l;aw is probably overzealous but something needs to be done.

And I dobut there'd be much outcry if this bill wasn;t championed by the person who happens to be a former firts lady and our next president (hopefully).

Wouldn't community service be a better option? It would save space in prisons.

Thar we go.Thanks.

Nope...

But I assume it only applies to the ESRB stuff going into New York. Otherwise that'd be a bad state sovereignty problem...makes it a problem if some kid buys a game in say... New Jersey and takes it to New York.

and can you imagine the confusion if the ESRB rating system becomes different because of what state the game is going to...

This is an excellent, excellent idea.

The next thing we should do is charge McDonald's employees with felonies for serving fatty foods to kids.

Because nothing says "parental responsibility" like not actually needing to be responsible anymore. unless they want the Goverment to become the Parents...

Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

What the hell? Aren't we putting enough people in jail for simple drug possession?

...piracy of M-rated games in New York has increased by 1000% over the last two days. Lawmakers are still trying to figure out why New York has suddenly turned into the software piracy capital of the Northeast. :)

A felony? Sweet zombie jesus, what's the penalty for blithely ignoring game ratings and buying a horribly violent game for your child?

I suggest death penalty for the parents or at least castration of the kid so the stupid gene isn't transmitted forward. :D

That bill, A8696, would make it a class E felony to sell or rent to minors any game that includes

Is that "E for everyone"? :p :D :p

Okay...

Here's my solution.

Every single video game company refuses to sell things in New York.

Let's see how long it takes to repeal the bill.

Okay...

Here's my solution.

Every single video game company refuses to sell things in New York.

Let's see how long it takes to repeal the bill.

They'll cave in a week.:D

They'll cave in a week.:D

Are you kidding? They'll be HIDING in caves before that.

Why the fuck are politicians spending time making video game laws when they should be focusing on other things? I mean, what do politicians think? Video games made their state the hellhole it is?

New York is not a hellhole. It's quite a nice place actually.

New York is not a hellhole. It's quite a nice place actually.

Apart from bat guano fucking insane politicians.

Do you mean that before hand any kid in the US could have bought manhunt or GTA SA and games like that? At any age?

Man, I LOVE CANADA!!! :D:D

As much as I love my home state, They f@@ked up on this one....
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What the hell? Aren't we putting enough people in jail for simple drug possession?

Probably.

...piracy of M-rated games in New York has increased by 1000% over the last two days. Lawmakers are still trying to figure out why New York has suddenly turned into the software piracy capital of the Northeast. :)

Actually, no.
Because the average age of a gamer is somewhere in the late 20s.

Okay, I can see it being a misdemeanor... barely. But a god damn felony? That is idiotic. Yes, it is the same level of crime as beating the shit out of someone for no reason, and killing someone. Somehow.

Idiotic people.

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I mean, what do politicians think? Video games made their state the hellhole it is?

Bet your jealous of NY.... probably live in Jersy or worse Utah!!!!!

Bet your jealous of NY.... probably live in Jersy or worse Utah!!!!!

Or, even worse, Nebraska!

:p

And I dobut there'd be much outcry if this bill wasn;t championed by the person who happens to be a former firts lady and our next president (hopefully).

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It burns us!
IT BURNS US!

(Yes, I do this every time Hillary is mentioned)

Now that the traditional response is out of the way, let me say this...

Hillary's politics are a tad bit too... how to put this?... liberal for me (as in the US 'Liberal' vs 'Conservative', 'Left' vs 'Right', 'Democrat' vs 'Republican' nonsense) ...

Hillary should not be allowed to run for president.

No, it's not constitutional. TO HELL WITH THEIR RIGHTS! WE'RE TRYING TO STOP FASCISTS!!!


Yes, I am joking...

Renting or selling violent video games to minors.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171789.html

Ah. So, the nanny state strikes again!

Or, even worse, Nebraska!

:p

I don't actually live in Nebraska, I live in NY.... It's a joke.... Nebraska SUCKS!!!!!!

Do you mean that before hand any kid in the US could have bought manhunt or GTA SA and games like that? At any age?

*sigh* Apparently. :rolleyes: "Crazy Americans." :p (No offence to any American who has learned to read and knows numbers up to 18. ;))

And if I thought this law would actually help, I would be right there with you.

I don't see making it illegal to sell the games to minors putting an end to parents being stupid and suing game companies. I especially don't see Jack Thompson ending his crusade just because of this either.
He won't stop until all teenagers sit at home in the dark.

Man, I LOVE CANADA!!! :D:D
The US, one of the few places where it's morally okay to start a war and cause the deaths of thousands of civilians and soldiers by using them as terrorist bait. But it's evil to shoot a bunch of pixels.



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Now that the traditional response is out of the way, let me say this...
Hillary's politics are a tad bit too... how to put this?... liberal for me (as in the US 'Liberal' vs 'Conservative', 'Left' vs 'Right', 'Democrat' vs 'Republican' nonsense) ...
She isn't Liberal, she's a populist, she jumps on whatever bandwagon that's around then bails when it stops being popular. If she wins the primaries... I'm voting for some third party that will never win.

What the hell? Aren't we putting enough people in jail for simple drug possession?

Man, I hate agreeing with you.

Then again I posted more or less the same thing before you did. So it's really, you agreeing with me. OK I feel better. Carry on. :p

She isn't Liberal, she's a populist, she jumps on whatever bandwagon that's around then bails when it stops being popular. If she wins the primaries... I'm voting for some third party that will never win.

Populist, there you go. That's a much better word for what I wanted to say.

Action needs to be taken in the primaries so as to prevent Hillary's *it burns us* rise to pres candidate, because that will have negative results.

Maybe they should just drop age ratings altogether, instead having JUST content ratings.

For example, maybe a parent doesn't mind a game with the label, say, "Strong sexual themes" and "mild violence" feeling that sex is not a particularly offensive thing, and a mild amount of violence isn't to bad, whereas one parent might be fine with a game labeled "extreme violence" but not one labeled, say "Common Drug References", whereas another one might object to one labeled "Dumb bitches whining about malls"

I imagine it would lead to a much more reasonable and accurate rating system.

I wish I was fourteen again. This type of thing would have gotten those creative juices flowing. Oh, I'd be irate.

I wish I was fourteen again. This type of thing would have gotten those creative juices flowing. Oh, I'd be irate.

Did you run out of your creative emissions?

:eek:

Did you run out of your creative emissions?

:eek:

I voluntarily put a cap on them and sell off what I don't use.

I voluntarily put a cap on them and sell off what I don't use.

Like Stephen Colbert?

Like Stephen Colbert?

Really?

Why the fuck are politicians spending time making video game laws when they should be focusing on other things? I mean, what do politicians think? Video games made their state the hellhole it is?

new york is the best damn hell hole in the country.

She isn't Liberal, she's a populist, she jumps on whatever bandwagon that's around then bails when it stops being popular. If she wins the primaries... I'm voting for some third party that will never win.

thank you! hilary is not remotely liberal. I hate when people apply the word "liberal" to democrats. as if the oldest political party in existence is progressive...it has everything to gain by preserving and promoting the status quo.

and I found a bit of the text of the bill...

The bill defines depraved violence as "any photographic, photorealistic, or other similar visual representation of the rape, dismemberment, physical torture, mutilation, or evisceration of a human body." Indecent images would be any such visual representation "of a person or a portion of the human body which depicts nudity, sexual conduct, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors."

now, call me old fashioned, but it does strike me as a bit much to have children playing games which include rape, dismemberment, torture, mutilation, or evisceration...GTA and Halo and the like have nothing of the kind...right? I've watched my younger brother play some ridiculously violent Godfather game with 1920s prostitutes running around spewing blood everywhere, but still nothing like what the bill is describing...I suppose "dismemberment" might be an issue but come to think of it I can't recall a single instance of a game in which people actually lost limbs. do zombies count? what about dread zombies?

new york is the best damn hell hole in the country.



thank you! hilary is not remotely liberal. I hate when people apply the word "liberal" to democrats. as if the oldest political party in existence is progressive...it has everything to gain by preserving and promoting the status quo.

and I found a bit of the text of the bill...



now, call me old fashioned, but it does strike me as a bit much to have children playing games which include rape, dismemberment, torture, mutilation, or evisceration...GTA and Halo and the like have nothing of the kind...right? I've watched my younger brother play some ridiculously violent Godfather game with 1920s prostitutes running around spewing blood everywhere, but still nothing like what the bill is describing...I suppose "dismemberment" might be an issue but come to think of it I can't recall a single instance of a game in which people actually lost limbs. do zombies count? what about dread zombies?

It does suck that Democrats and Liberals get dumped together. But when it comes down to it, if it is between Hilary and a Republican, I still have to go Nader.

It does suck that Democrats and Liberals get dumped together. But when it comes down to it, if it is between Hilary and a Republican, I still have to go Nader.

ditto. I'm registered green. as far as I'm concerned hilary and bush are pratically the same person. neither of them challenges any of the fundamental assumptions of american society, both are completely complacent with and have considerable personal wealth from the capitalist system, neither are against the war. (I don't know if hilary blathers a bit about it to win votes from the vaguely left-ish extremists of the democratic party, but she doesn't genuinely give a fuck) its not remotely legitimate to call her a "liberal".

So, looking at the definition of violence...Wow, that doesn't even cover a lot of the REALLY violent bits in video games. And, my god, when was the last time you saw "sadomasochistic abuse" in a mainstream video game? What about those all-girl wrestling games? Are those considered "sadomasochistic abuse" because of the sexuality of the violence?

In Knights of the Old Republic 2 when Kreia's hand got chopped off? :rolleyes:

So, looking at the definition of violence...Wow, that doesn't even cover a lot of the REALLY violent bits in video games. And, my god, when was the last time you saw "sadomasochistic abuse" in a mainstream video game? What about those all-girl wrestling games? Are those considered "sadomasochistic abuse" because of the sexuality of the violence?

I think "sadomasochistic abuse" involves...*turns green* never mind. and yeah, it doesn't cover any game I've ever played. or seen played. or heard about. maybe there's a different part of the bill with different language, but if this is what people are complaining about, I'm going to have to agree...nobody should be viewing this kind of stuff...I say that as a psychology student.

I think "sadomasochistic abuse" involves...*turns green* never mind. and yeah, it doesn't cover any game I've ever played. or seen played. or heard about.

I know, you'd think you'd hear about an unlockable video of Master Chief on a leash being whipped or something.

You know, I support the idea of limiting unnecessary exposure to excess violence that is present in many R-equivalent rated games, such as God of War, or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas but that's the responsibility of the parents. Screw you and your nanny state, New fucking York. Don't hate on video gamers because some people who were violent happened to play violent video games. Did it ever occur to you that they played the violent video games because they already liked violence, and that they weren't turned into violent criminals by the video games?

Fuck! I've played a lot of violent video games and killed plenty of "people" in them, but I am one of the biggest pacifists--admittedly realistic pacifist where I will not hestitate to defend myself or use violence, but only as an absolute last resort after all other options are exhausted--you'll ever meet when it comes to real life situations.

You know, I support the idea of limiting unnecessary exposure to excess violence that is present in many R-equivalent rated games, such as God of War, or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas but that's the responsibility of the parents. Screw you and your nanny state, New fucking York. Don't hate on video gamers because some people who were violent happened to play violent video games. Did it ever occur to you that they played the violent video games because they already liked violence, and that they weren't turned into violent criminals by the video games?

Fuck! I've played a lot of violent video games and killed plenty of "people" in them, but I am one of the biggest pacifists--admittedly realistic pacifist where I will not hestitate to defend myself or use violence, but only as an absolute last resort after all other options are exhausted--you'll ever meet when it comes to real life situations.

Exactly. Nowadays, after decades of gaming, I'm increasingly less likely to waste an hour massacring civilians in games like GTA, rather than actually completing the missions. The violence is interesting, but I still focus on the game.

ditto. I'm registered green. as far as I'm concerned hilary and bush are pratically the same person. neither of them challenges any of the fundamental assumptions of american society, both are completely complacent with and have considerable personal wealth from the capitalist system, neither are against the war. (I don't know if hilary blathers a bit about it to win votes from the vaguely left-ish extremists of the democratic party, but she doesn't genuinely give a fuck) its not remotely legitimate to call her a "liberal".

She does have the feminists on her side and they tend to be liberal. I think a lot of the mixing in of Hilary with liberalism comes from the feminist point of view. All I ever hear about is how she is a centrist. Which, don't get me wrong, is better than what we have now. I hope she becomes President but I'd rather Nader. I'd vote for her if, somehow, she was losing in NY.

Exactly. Nowadays, after decades of gaming, I'm increasingly less likely to waste an hour massacring civilians in games like GTA, rather than actually completing the missions. The violence is interesting, but I still focus on the game.

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It suddenly occurs to me my typical internet speach habits changed significantly for that post. I must have allowed too many of my emotions on the subject to filter through. My apologies to anyone whom that may have bothered.

In any case, as I said, it's the responsibility of the parents to decide what their kids should be exposed to. I, personally, would limit excess violence at an early age merely due to how impressionable children are at that age, lest they get the idea that such violence is okay and possibly even desireable. When my children could prove to me that they are mature enough to handle such violence, however, I'll let them play whatever they wish. I will not protect the "innocence" of my children, because such a thing does not exist and only serves to harm the child in the long run.

I honestly don't find that much to worry about. Kids get into R movies and they just have to get a bit smarter to do so. Really not such a bad thing. The kids who got caught were dorks, anyway. Except that time when I got caught. That was just bad luck. Uh...

This is a form of entertainment that can be compared to the motion picture industry. It's not going to go down any time soon.

I honestly don't find that much to worry about. Kids get into R movies and they just have to get a bit smarter to do so. Really not such a bad thing. The kids who got caught were dorks, anyway. Except that time when I got caught. That was just bad luck. Uh...

Yeah, but if a kid can manage to get into an R-rated movie, this is not a FELONY for whoever happens to be working at the ticket box.

This is a form of entertainment that can be compared to the motion picture industry. It's not going to go down any time soon.

No one is seriously worried that the gaming industry is going to go down because of this. I however am worried that a lot of people are going to have their lives ruined with felony charges because of this stupid, heavy-handed nanny-state law.

Yeah, but if a kid can manage to get into an R-rated movie, this is not a FELONY for whoever happens to be working at the ticket box.



No one is seriously worried that the gaming industry is going to go down because of this. I however am worried that a lot of people are going to have their lives ruined with felony charges because of this stupid, heavy-handed nanny-state law.

Thanks for the buzzkill.


Wait... why isn't a felony for the ticket box? I mean if one, why not the other? Not that I want to give anybody any ideas. Oh... God. I'm the drunken poster, aren't I?

...piracy of M-rated games in New York has increased by 1000% over the last two days. Lawmakers are still trying to figure out why New York has suddenly turned into the software piracy capital of the Northeast. :)

Prohibition: Because Banning Cuts Down on Crimes.

I wouldn't call Hillary a centrist. Let's check out OntheIssues...

She's FOR parental notification for abortion
Voted no on reducing federal spending by $40B
Voted yes on expanding wiretapping
Wants "Special Drug Courts"
Opposes merit pay for individual teachers
Supports uniforms for inner-city schools (Yes, since it's the way the dress, and not rampant crime that leads to problems!)
Strong record of being pro-censorship
Supports Cuban embargo

I'd call her a right-winger that just looks left-wing because some people are further to the right. I don't think we have ANY real liberals in the Senate.

So what happens if you just give kids the games for free - as a gift. Is that a crime?

I wouldn't call Hillary a centrist. Let's check out OntheIssues...

She's FOR parental notification for abortion
Voted no on reducing federal spending by $40B
Voted yes on expanding wiretapping
Wants "Special Drug Courts"
Opposes merit pay for individual teachers
Supports uniforms for inner-city schools (Yes, since it's the way the dress, and not rampant crime that leads to problems!)
Strong record of being pro-censorship
Supports Cuban embargo

I'd call her a right-winger that just looks left-wing because some people are further to the right. I don't think we have ANY real liberals in the Senate.

Can you get me the link to OnTheIssues? Thanks.

Can you get me the link to OnTheIssues? Thanks.

It is, amazingly enough, www.ontheissues.com

I believe. If that doesn't work, just search google for "on the issues", it's the first hit.

So what happens if you just give kids the games for free - as a gift. Is that a crime?

Capital Crime...you go straight to Death Row.

I believe it's illegal in the UK already to sell 18, 15 and 12 rated games to 18, 15 and 12 year olds already. Guess what? I was the only kid at school who didn't have an 18 rated game when I was 12. Is it likely to be any 'better' in NY? No.

It is, amazingly enough, www.ontheissues.com

I believe. If that doesn't work, just search google for "on the issues", it's the first hit.

Thanks. :)

EDIT: It's actually ".org"... and I think a lot of people 'round here would support THIS GUY: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm

Capital Crime...you go straight to Death Row.

Does this sound like a Monopoly card to anyone else?

Capital Crime!http://www.cvilleonline.com/forum/MonopolyGuy.jpg
Go straight to death row. Do not pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars

I can older brothers buying games for their younger siblings to get around this stupid ban.

Thanks. :)

EDIT: It's actually ".org"... and I think a lot of people 'round here would support THIS GUY: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm

Wow. This guy's pretty left.

It's too bad he's a relative unknown atm.

Wow. This guy's pretty left.

It's too bad he's a relative unknown atm.

It is too bad, since he could definitely solve problems.

Read:"Immediate withdraw from Iraq"

That right there would solve at least three problems.

It is too bad, since he could definitely solve problems.

Read:"Immediate withdraw from Iraq"

That right there would solve at least three problems.

Aye, though I was focusing more on his views on abortion, stem cell research, and same-sex marriage.

I suppose "dismemberment" might be an issue but come to think of it I can't recall a single instance of a game in which people actually lost limbs. do zombies count? what about dread zombies?

Usually they just explode. Also, you think this is bad, you just wait until Manhunt 2 comes out.... for the Wii.

Aye, though I was focusing more on his views on abortion, stem cell research, and same-sex marriage.

True, true. Those are good too.

Usually they just explode. Also, you think this is bad, you just wait until Manhunt 2 comes out.... for the Wii.

Oh dear god. That doesn't really exist, does it?

Oh dear god. That doesn't really exist, does it?

Oh it does. And it's apparently really well done.

Well, Matt Casamassina likes it. (http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/792/792012p1.html)

It is too bad, since he could definitely solve problems.

Read:"Immediate withdraw from Iraq"

That right there would solve at least three problems.

Of course, there's no way in hell he'd win.

But wait there's more....

Jack Thompson wanted to stop a Wendy's Kids Meal toys promotion that offers toys based on Wii titles because Manhunt 2 will be released on the Wii. The promotion is based on both the Mario and Excite Truck titles and is devoid of any Manhunt 2 reference. Stating "Dave Thomas never would have tolerated the use of Wendy’s good name to promote Nintendo’s Wii, not with this game available on the Wii platform." Thompson labels the Wii console as a 'kid-friendly' platform, although Scarface: The World is Yours, Resident Evil 4 and The Godfather: The Game are also marketed for the console.[4]

Summary: Excite Truck = bad because Manhunt is on the same console :rolleyes:

But wait there's more....



Summary: Excite Truck = bad because Manhunt is on the same console :rolleyes:

Jack Thompson's an absurd asshole? STOP THE PRESSES!

Of course, there's no way in hell he'd win.

No, of course not.

People who actually accomplish things can only be elected once all Hell has broken loose.

But wait there's more....



Summary: Excite Truck = bad because Manhunt is on the same console :rolleyes:

Jack Thompson: Making George Bush feel smart since 2002

Jack Thompson: Making George Bush feel smart since 2002

George Bush? He makes the Moral Majority look like a bunch of constitutional scholars.

Jack Thompson: Making George Bush feel smart since 2002

Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

George Bush? He makes the Moral Majority look like a bunch of constitutional scholars.

Then what does he make the constitutional scholars look like?

Then what does he make the constitutional scholars look like?

The Founding Fathers, of course.

I blame Tipper Gore. The fucking bitch. *nods*

And I mean, Tipper, what the fuck kind of name is that? When I first heard Gore talk about 'Tipper' I thought he was talking about his dog.

things to look forward to for the whole nation when Hillary Clinton gets elected. oh joy

Clinton 08 :rolleyes:

Thanks. :)

EDIT: It's actually ".org"... and I think a lot of people 'round here would support THIS GUY: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm

The people who run that website obviously aren't very well-informed themselves. Why the hell is a person's position on stem cell research listed under "abortion"?

The people who run that website obviously aren't very well-informed themselves. Why the hell is a person's position on stem cell research listed under "abortion"?

Two reasons:
1) They're too stupid to put it in the Technology section, I gather.
2) The debate over stem cell research is mainly a debate over embryonic stem cell research, and ties into abortion views through deliberation on the rights of embryos and fetuses.

And I thought British law was a joke...

I blame Hillary Clinton, damn her. What do we have too few people in jail, need to squeeze some more bodies in? Making something like this a felony? Idiocy abounds I see. Why can't parents do their fucking job instead of making everyone else help raise their kids?

I blame Tipper Gore. The fucking bitch. *nods*

How about both?

The people who run that website obviously aren't very well-informed themselves. Why the hell is a person's position on stem cell research listed under "abortion"?

1) I verified the stuff on Wiki. It appears to be accurate
2) Where did you think stem cells came from?

1) I verified the stuff on Wiki. It appears to be accurate
2) Where did you think stem cells came from?

If you're specifically talking embryonic stem cells, then they are typically derived from lines created by in vitro fertilization.
It's as far as I know practically impossible to obtain viable stem cell lines from aborted embryos.

If you're specifically talking embryonic stem cells, then they are typically derived from lines created by in vitro fertilization.
It's as far as I know practically impossible to obtain viable stem cell lines from aborted embryos.

I meant that both deal with fetuses.

I meant that both concerned fetuses.

Duh. If I was a fetus, I'd be concerned about those things.

Duh. If I was a fetus, I'd be concerned about those things.

Not really, since you wouldn't have conscious knowledge of them.

I meant that both deal with fetuses.
No they don't. They deal with embryos. Abortion only deals with fetuses 1% of the time.

No they don't. They deal with embryos. Abortion only deals with fetuses 1% of the time.

Oh, right. My bad.