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Avigdor Lieberman, an infamous Jewish racist in the Israeli Parliament, as you probably know, as been put in charge of Israels 'response' to the 'threat' posed by Iran in it developing nuclear technologies. With all the threads around here seeming to denounce Arab states in the region of exactly these kind of opinions, I thought I'd expose it in Israel also. As you probably know, he supports segregation of the Arab and Jew populations in Israel, a process which according to many began long ago and is as much perpetrated by Irgun-like Jewish terrorists or settlers in the West Bank. My simply point, if the Zionist regime in Israel does care for peace in the region and with it's own Arab population, why would so many people vote for this guys party, knowing full well his xenophobic stances and potential for international belligerence and brigandage, and how could Olmert put him in charge of such a sensitive area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisrael_Beiteinu

If you had a brain inside you head (you don't) then you would know that Lieberman is NOT popular in Israel. His party only gets votes from the Russian immigrants who vote for him because he himself is a Russian immigrant. Even the settlers hate his guts.

All this thread proves is that Israel is a democracy full of many diverse parties (unlike Iran). There are several parties run by Arabs in the Knesset. There are other Arab parties which exist, but didn't draw enough votes for the Knesset.

Just about anyone in Israel can start a party to represent just about any platform. I heard about a retired Mossad head who started a party who's sole goal is to get more pensions for seniors.


Oh and only once has Israel made the undemocratic move of banning a party. They did it to Kahane's party. Israel definitely sounds racist doing that :rolleyes:

Yeah, there is racism in america...and canada...and pakistan...and australia...and -insert other country name here-

Whats your point?

Honestly, why do you guys even bother replying to his drivel? :headbang:

All this thread proves is that Israel is a democracy full of many diverse parties

...including some transparently racist parties that just happen to get into the governing coalition.

Yeah, there is racism in america...and canada...and pakistan...and australia...and -insert other country name here-

Whats your point?His point is that the Jews are a bunch of K***s who should be put in the gas chambers.

That's about the point of every AP post.

...including some transparently racist parties that just happen to get into the governing coalition.
Only because Olmert was trying to appease the Russian immigrants. Study Israeli politics and you might learn something. There is also an Arab in the same cabinet sitting next to Lieberman and a few more on the supreme court plus many in the Knesset.

That's about the point of every AP post.

And that Iran is a poor, victimized misunderstood country and Ahmadinejad is an innocent little lamb. Let's not forget that.

Yeah, there is racism in america...and canada...and pakistan...and australia...and -insert other country name here-

Whats your point?

My point is in this case the racist has the deputy PM and lots of power, including recommendations for attack against Iran, given his belligerence on the subject and the instability of this situation, my point is that having a conservative racist who wants all Arabs wiped out in charge of such things, it is dangerous. Racism in power is my point.

And that Iran is a poor, victimized misunderstood country and Ahmadinejad is an innocent little lamb. Let's not forget that.

I think he just does that as an extension to his first point of every post. Oh and Ahmadenijad of course supports AP's ideas of Holocaust denial.

I think he just does that as an extension to his first point of every post. Oh and Ahmadenijad of course supports AP's ideas of Holocaust denial.

Yeah, pretty much. It's pathetic. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

His point is that the Arabs are a bunch of K***s who should be put in the gas chambers.

That's about the point of every IDF post.
Fixed.

Only because Olmert was trying to appease the Russian immigrants.

It really doesn't matter why he did it.

The fact remains that a more or less openly racist party is in Israel's governing coalition... something that should never happen, and wouldn't in a country that was less racist.

There is also an Arab in the same cabinet and a few more on the supreme court plus many in the Knesset.

Yes, I know. So?

Fixed.

Now go and prove it you troll.

I have the links of you saying everything I've accused you of saying.

You can't provide the same for me because I'm not a racist troll like yourself.

Fixed.

Nice strawman. Now, show us an example of IDF calling for Arabs to be gassed.

It really doesn't matter why he did it.

The fact remains that a more or less openly racist party is in Israel's governing coalition... something that should never happen, and wouldn't in a country that was less racist.



Yes, I know. So?
And there is an Arab party in Israel's governing coalition. I think that speaks for more volumes.

Now go and prove it you troll.

I have the links of you saying everything I've accused you of saying.

You can't provide the same for me because I'm not a racist troll like yourself.

You can't prove anything.

I think this thread is gettin off topic, my question was how can a racist guy who wants all Arabs wiped off the map get in Deputy PM and in charge of Israels response (military) to Iran? He must have public support, which is in itself disturbing.

You can't prove anything.

I can. Since a Zionist is anyone who supports Israel's existance, you are calling for the deaths of 90+% of Jews and anyone who believes in a 2 state peace plan. You are a sick human being and a racist. You are also a Holocaust denier.



The Zionists probably want to replace it with a military base, or a Synagogue that couples as a Bank too.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12338929&postcount=2

If it happened, where exactly did it happen?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12493449&postcount=82



Historical persecution is not an excuse for an ultranationalist group to annex territory and oppress a population using the 'Holocaust' and other perceived injustices as pretext.



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12493428&postcount=78

IMO can Zionist supporter is a legitimate target for helping such an ethnic-ultranationalist demagogy in it's terrible deeds.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12297251&postcount=116

Well when most Israel/Palestine stories have a pro-Israel slant on them, an 'exaggerated' source is the only way to get anywhere close to the reality of the story. The Pro-Israel lobby in the west after all does have alot of money.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12222529&postcount=63

So the murder of millions of WWII civilians is questionable, but the murder of 7 million Jews is not? I think all historical information should always be challenged and debated, it's a shame such a taboo has been put over a minority number of those murdered in WWII.

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12347986&postcount=140

And there is an Arab party in Israel's governing coalition.

Which one?

Honestly, why do you guys even bother replying to his drivel? :headbang:

Because I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

I think this thread is gettin off topic, my question was how can a racist guy who wants all Arabs wiped off the map get in Deputy PM and in charge of Israels response (military) to Iran? He must have public support, which is in itself disturbing.

Yeah he has public support of Russian Immigrants who support his party for some of their other stances. Even the settler movement hates him. You know some people vote on issues other than how to deal with the Palestinians.

And there is an Arab party in Israel's governing coalition. I think that speaks for more volumes.

Of what does it speak to you, then? Elucidate, please.

well let's talk about all the Nations that hate Israel. They slaughter people for just being Christian, Jew, or standing up against dictatorships that enforce intolerence for freedom of Religion.

Ah, another beautiful "Israel Can Never Do Wrong" thread.

Yeah he has public support of Russian Immigrants who support his party for some of their other stances.

Lieberman is hardly the only racist in Yisrael Beiteinu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esterina_Tartman

Yes, people support political parties for different reasons, but it's hardly as if Yisrael Beiteinu's racism is a minor, isolated thing.

It really doesn't matter why he did it.

The fact remains that a more or less openly racist party is in Israel's governing coalition... something that should never happen, and wouldn't in a country that was less racist.

I think it's an example of a democracy.

I think it's the people of Israel wanting to find way out of this and some, sadly enough, feel that a more hard line approach is worth voting for.

Israel is nowhere near as racist as those who are against it.

Lieberman is hardly the only racist in Yisrael Beiteinu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esterina_Tartman

Yes, people support political parties for different reasons, but it's hardly as if Yisrael Beiteinu's racism is a minor, isolated thing.

They are one party in Israel's government. There are dozens of parties and polls in Israel show that the support for Beitenu tends to be from the Russian Immigrants.

They are for the most part a non-entity in the scope of Israeli politics.

Shas, Gil, Likud, Labor, Kadima, and United Arab List all are doing better in terms of popularity at this point.

Because I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

Fair enough.

Yeah he has public support of Russian Immigrants who support his party for some of their other stances. Even the settler movement hates him. You know some people vote on issues other than how to deal with the Palestinians.

Your avoiding the facts, this guy basically has no policies expect for deportation or segregation of all Arabs in Israel, as well as belligerence against it's neighbors, I saw a political ad for him, it had Israel on a map as blue with a Star of David, and then it said 'Arab Immigration' and Israel turned into a Saudi flag. Your desperate avoidance of the unjustifiable policies of this bigot prove my point, how did such a guy get into such a position if his electors want all Arabs deported?

Of what does it speak to you, then? Elucidate, please.

It speaks that Israel is the most fair nation in the Middle East. What other nation in the region gives Arabs the right to vote for whoever they choose?

The only reason the Arabs don't have more people in the Knesset is that they have split their vote for 6 different parties. If they were to narrow it down to two or three parties that they favor, then they would have more people on their list getting in. There are also Arab MKs from Kadima and Labor.

It's good that Israel allows all parties to participate. It sucks having a Beitenu in the Knesset, but it's part of democracy.

Of what does it speak to you, then? Elucidate, please.

To me, it speaks of Tokenism at one of its worst. Sort of like that brilliant thread that proclaimed there was no such thing as racism in the United States simply because we have black basketball stars.

Of what does it speak to you, then? Elucidate, please.

It speaks that Israel is the most fair nation in the Middle East. What other nation in the region gives Arabs the right to vote for whoever they choose?

The only reason the Arabs don't have more people in the Knesset is that they have split their vote for 6 different parties. If they were to narrow it down to two or three parties that they favor, then they would have more people on their list getting in. There are also Arab MKs from Kadima and Labor.

It's good that Israel allows all parties to participate. It sucks having a Beitenu in the Knesset, but it's part of democracy.

There are dozens of parties and polls in Israel show that the support for Beitenu tends to be from the Russian Immigrants.

So?

They are for the most part a non-entity in the scope of Israeli politics.

Perhaps... and if they were just another random party in the Knesset, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

But they are in government, which means that acceptance of their racist rhetoric goes beyond those voting for the party.

To me, it speaks of Tokenism at one of its worst. Sort of like that brilliant thread that proclaimed there was no such thing as racism in the United States simply because we have black basketball stars.

If it's tokenism, then there would be far less Arabs in the Knesset. The only reason there aren't more is that many threw their votes away voting for parties that failed to get the 2% threshold required to have seats. If they were to have consolidated their voting to only a few parties, they would have greater representation.

Perhaps... and if they were just another random party in the Knesset, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

But they are in government, which means that acceptance of their racist rhetoric goes beyond those voting for the party.
Actually, it has had an effect of silencing him. Now that he is a part of the government, he isn't being as vocal as he was. I want to also ask you how he has shaped the agenda. He hasn't. Labor and Kadima leaders still have a vast majority and control the agenda. The Israeli government is largely an assortment of leftist parties with the exception of this one party.

Nice how IDF subtlety defends Avigdor and his parties policies as 'democracy' as if racism is a naturally occurring phenomenon that isn't a problem. I find it hypocritical for anyone to call th Iranian Pres racist (he's not, he's against the political ideology of Zionism) when this guy whos comments are fare worst than the Iranian Pres's is only one step away from being the PM of Israel, someone who has called for Arabs to be segregated, deported or in extreme exterminated. Again, more 'Israel can do no wrong' crap from the neocon appeasers. Where is the outrage the military response coordination for Iran/Syria has been given to this guy, the deputy PM...

The only reason the Arabs don't have more people in the Knesset is that they have split their vote for 6 different parties.

Parliamentary threshold in Israel is pretty low, and allocation of seats is proportional.

Vote-splitting is not a major cause of non-representation.

I think it's an example of a democracy.

Yes... democracy in a racist country.

Which one?

Well?

Nice how IDF subtlety defends Avigdor and his parties policies as 'democracy' as if racism is a naturally occurring phenomenon that isn't a problem. I find it hypocritical for anyone to call th Iranian Pres racist (he's not, he's against the political ideology of Zionism) when this guy whos comments are fare worst than the Iranian Pres's is only one step away from being the PM of Israel, someone who has called for Arabs to be segregated, deported or in extreme exterminated. Again, more 'Israel can do no wrong' crap from the neocon appeasers. Where is the outrage the military response coordination for Iran/Syria has been given to this guy, the deputy PM...
You're a retard. I haven't defended any of his policies and have specifically said in this thread it sucks that his party exists, but it's part of democracy.

Israel is a whole lot more democratic than Iran. You are just a dumbass. Arabs vote in Israel, serve on the cabinet, and are on the supreme court. They also don't have to have religious leaders approve their candidates. Unelected Mullahs and the Supreme Leader control who runs in Iran. In Israel, anyone can run.

The only case where a party has been banned was when the racist Meir Kahane had his party run. They were banned from the Knesset. That sounds like the actions of a racist nation.

You're a retard. I haven't defended any of his policies and have specifically said in this thread it sucks that his party exists, but it's part of democracy.

Israel is a whole lot more democratic than Iran. You are just a dumbass. Arabs vote in Israel, serve on the cabinet, and are on the supreme court. They also don't have to have religious leaders approve their candidates. Unelected Mullahs and the Supreme Leader control who runs in Iran. In Israel, anyone can run.

The only case where a party has been banned was when the racist Meir Kahane had his party run. They were banned from the Knesset. That sounds like the actions of a racist nation.

Nice, you didn't respond to my question, is it dangerous for this guy to be in said position? Yes or No.

Parliamentary threshold in Israel is pretty low, and allocation of seats is proportional.

Vote-splitting is not a major cause of non-representation. It is when 20% of the vote divides among 6 or 7 different parties when a 2% threshold is needed.



Yes... democracy in a racist country.Now go and prove it. Arabs in Israel have far more rights than they do in Syria or any other nation in the region. Their vote = the vote of any Jew.

Actually, it has had an effect of silencing him. Now that he is a part of the government, he isn't being as vocal as he was.

Nobody cares about the lunatic shouting in the corner.

I want to also ask you how he has shaped the agenda.

More than he would as a random figure in the Knesset.

Coalitions don't work unless the coalition members benefit.

The Israeli government is largely an assortment of leftist parties

Kadima and Shas are not leftist, and Kadima is the largest coalition partner and controls the post of prime minister.

Nice, you didn't respond to my question, is it dangerous for this guy to be in said position? Yes or No.

No. The title sounds like a big one, but half the people on the cabinet have the title Deputy Prime-Minister. His specific position never existed before last November. It was invented by Olmert so he could put him in a position to minimize his voice and get him to shut up.

Nobody cares about the lunatic shouting in the corner.



More than he would as a random figure in the Knesset.

Coalitions don't work unless the coalition members benefit.



Kadima and Shas are not leftist, and Kadima is the largest coalition partner and controls the post of prime minister.

Kadima is without a doubt left of center. Remember that a large number of their supporters come from the Socialist Labor and the Likud MKs who left because they wanted to be in a left of center party that wasn't socialist.

Prove that Lieberman has shaped the agenda. You can't because he hasn't. Olmert along with other coalition leaders have made sure of that.

I love how AP can't prove I'm a racist while he of course doesn't defend his own racist posts I've presented. He is a horrible human being who would justifly the killing of anyone who disagrees with him. He thinks it's justified as shown in his own posts. He is a Holocaust denier on top of that.

It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about. Many South Africans are beginning to recognize the parallels to what we went through.

– Desmond Tutu


A system of apartheid, with two peoples occupying the same land but completely separated from each other, with Israelis totally dominant and suppressing violence by depriving Palestinians of their basic human rights. This is the policy now being followed. I would say that in many ways the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli occupying forces is as onerous - and in some cases more onerous - as the treatment of black people in South Africa by the apartheid government"

– Jimmy Carter


"When I come here and see the situation [in the Palestinian territories], I find that what is happening here is ten times worse than what I had experienced in South Africa. This is Apartheid".

– Arun Ghandi

Now go and prove it.

Um... I was responding to a particular objection to one portion of my argument for exactly that conclusion.

I need not re-state my argument when doing so.

Arabs in Israel have far more rights than they do in Syria or any other nation in the region.

Israel is better than Syria! Yay! :rolleyes:

Their vote = the vote of any Jew.

This in no way precludes racism.

Kadima is without a doubt left of center.

Bullshit. It's centrist. If anything it's center-right.

It was founded by Sharon and is headed by a former Likud member.

Remember that a large number of their supporters come from the Socialist Labor

Haha... "socialist" Labor.

The right wing of "socialist" Labor, incidentally.

and the Likud MKs who left because they wanted to be in a left of center party that wasn't socialist.

That is, the left wing of Likud.

So when you combine the left wing of a center-right party and the right wing of a center-left party, and put the center-right party's former members in charge, guess what you don't get? A leftist party.

Prove that Lieberman has shaped the agenda.

Coalition members tend to have influence over policy. That's why they join.

When they lose it, they tend to get out.

It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about. Many South Africans are beginning to recognize the parallels to what we went through.

– Desmond Tutu


A system of apartheid, with two peoples occupying the same land but completely separated from each other, with Israelis totally dominant and suppressing violence by depriving Palestinians of their basic human rights. This is the policy now being followed. I would say that in many ways the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli occupying forces is as onerous - and in some cases more onerous - as the treatment of black people in South Africa by the apartheid government"

– Jimmy Carter


"When I come here and see the situation [in the Palestinian territories], I find that what is happening here is ten times worse than what I had experienced in South Africa. This is Apartheid".

– Arun Ghandi

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You got me, I hate Jews.

You got me, I hate Jews.

Do the Jews in your part of the world know you hate them,
or do you confine your hate to the online world ?

Do the Jews in your part of the world know you hate them,
or do you confine your hate to the online world ?

The online Jews feel my rage, I burn down their e-Synagogues and kill their virtual colonies.

The online Jews feel my rage, I burn down their e-Synagogues and kill their virtual colonies.

Which RTS do you play to do that?

If you had a brain inside you head (you don't) then you would know that Lieberman is NOT popular in Israel. His party only gets votes from the Russian immigrants who vote for him because he himself is a Russian immigrant. Even the settlers hate his guts.

The settlers also hate his guts, IIRC, for wanting to cede territories where no Jews live to Palestine.

Kadima and Shas are not leftist, and Kadima is the largest coalition partner and controls the post of prime minister.


Shas is not leftist, except that they support leftist economic policies (i.e. increase welfare) and they supported the disengagement.

Kadima is ostensibly 'centrist'.

The settlers also hate his guts, IIRC, for wanting to cede territories where no Jews live to Palestine.

This after all is the same Israeli populace that expressed their sentiments on Mid East Peace with a gunshot to Rabin's head.

My personal opinion is, if the Palestinians can just get a state up and running, and not be a territory with no official rights, that the violence will stop. Sovereignty will assure that the plo and hamas will have to form a coalition government and force them to disband their militia into a unified military command, and in that way they can control them, and in that way Israel won't bomb Palestine.

I find it hypocritical for anyone to call th Iranian Pres racist (he's not, he's against the political ideology of Zionism)

Altogether now:

HE'S A HOLOCAUST DENIER!!!

Personally I'd rather live in a country where the occasional racist idiot can get elected than in a country where every candidate has to be vetted by an unelected Mullahs. The representation of vile opinions is the price we have to pay for free elections.

If you had a brain inside you head (you don't) then you would know that Lieberman is NOT popular in Israel. His party only gets votes from the Russian immigrants who vote for him because he himself is a Russian immigrant. Even the settlers hate his guts.

All this thread proves is that Israel is a democracy full of many diverse parties (unlike Iran). There are several parties run by Arabs in the Knesset. There are other Arab parties which exist, but didn't draw enough votes for the Knesset.

Just about anyone in Israel can start a party to represent just about any platform. I heard about a retired Mossad head who started a party who's sole goal is to get more pensions for seniors.


Oh and only once has Israel made the undemocratic move of banning a party. They did it to Kahane's party. Israel definitely sounds racist doing that :rolleyes:

Destroyed the op in one post.

AP, get a life. Israel is just like any other country.

My point is in this case the racist has the deputy PM and lots of power, including recommendations for attack against Iran, given his belligerence on the subject and the instability of this situation, my point is that having a conservative racist who wants all Arabs wiped out in charge of such things, it is dangerous. Racism in power is my point.

And has Iran been attacked by Israel? No. I guess that says something right there. :rolleyes:

It really doesn't matter why he did it.

The fact remains that a more or less openly racist party is in Israel's governing coalition... something that should never happen, and wouldn't in a country that was less racist.

President Wilson was a racist and Senator Byrd was in the KKK. WOW...racism in politics. It has happened before and it will happen again.

I think this thread is gettin off topic, my question was how can a racist guy who wants all Arabs wiped off the map get in Deputy PM and in charge of Israels response (military) to Iran? He must have public support, which is in itself disturbing.

Go and study Israeli politics and maybe you can answer that question yourself. Oh wait...I forgot that you hate Israel and thus every Israeli including the non-jews in the country.

You're a retard. I haven't defended any of his policies and have specifically said in this thread it sucks that his party exists, but it's part of democracy.

Israel is a whole lot more democratic than Iran. You are just a dumbass. Arabs vote in Israel, serve on the cabinet, and are on the supreme court. They also don't have to have religious leaders approve their candidates. Unelected Mullahs and the Supreme Leader control who runs in Iran. In Israel, anyone can run.

The only case where a party has been banned was when the racist Meir Kahane had his party run. They were banned from the Knesset. That sounds like the actions of a racist nation.

Let us also not forget that arabs are also in the IDF as well.

My personal opinion is, if the Palestinians can just get a state up and running, and not be a territory with no official rights, that the violence will stop.

This will only occur when the violence does stop.

Personally I'd rather live in a country where the occasional racist idiot can get elected than in a country where every candidate has to be vetted by an unelected Mullahs. The representation of vile opinions is the price we have to pay for free elections.

I unfortunately, have to agree.

This will only occur when the violence does stop.

However when the violence stops, settlement building increases. This prompts more violence. When it stops, more settlements.

However when the violence stops, settlement building increases. This prompts more violence. When it stops, more settlements.

And that falls on the Israeli government to stop it. I was just talking about violence as violence was what I was responding to.

I was going to provide productive input but then I thought, what use would that be? I'm best at being destructive and not CONstructive. I then took note of a couple of IDF's posts and one in which he calls AP a troll and I thought... 'there seems to be something odd here...'

If you had a brain inside you head (you don't)


You're a retard.

You are just a dumbass.

Now go and prove it you troll.

I have the links of you saying everything I've accused you of saying.

You can't provide the same for me because I'm not a racist troll like yourself.


IDF, not to be picky, but you're calling AP a troll and yet, you've insulted him directly, doesn't that seem a little hypocritical? I mean, can't you prove your point without the childish insults? You're just lowering yourself and reducing the credibility of your posts.

(I edited the quotes to isolate the parts that I felt took away from your comments.)

Please have in maind that Israel was founded due to world-wide racism against jews. Hence, a few percent of racism is self-protection. But see, Israel is the only democracy in the region. That is because the Israeli public is used to democratic traditions.
But why do they are afraid of Iran? Read persian books and tales and you find thousands of stories full of martial words as well as full of dreams. Why do they take Ahmadinejad that serious? Iran will never attack Israel. Because Tehranknows, they will exist only five minutes more.
Hence, I believe some politicians in Israel use racism to get just more votes. And, maybe, some of those are idiots and believe in their words, but i think, the majority only use their words. I hope, the people of Israel will stop that by voting and electing peace.

Just about anyone in Israel can start a party to represent just about any platform. I heard about a retired Mossad head who started a party who's sole goal is to get more pensions for seniors.




In fact, he actually managed to get a few seats in the Knesset, if I recall correctly.

Please have in maind that Israel was founded due to world-wide racism against jews. Hence, a few percent of racism is self-protection. But see, Israel is the only democracy in the region. That is because the Israeli public is used to democratic traditions.
But why do they are afraid of Iran? Read persian books and tales and you find thousands of stories full of martial words as well as full of dreams. Why do they take Ahmadinejad that serious? Iran will never attack Israel. Because Tehranknows, they will exist only five minutes more.
Hence, I believe some politicians in Israel use racism to get just more votes. And, maybe, some of those are idiots and believe in their words, but i think, the majority only use their words. I hope, the people of Israel will stop that by voting and electing peace.

The nation of Israel was also founded and established through violent means. The British first seized it as the British Mandate of Palestine from the remnant of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. It wasn't always stable due to international interference, starting with the British and their favouring of the Jews over the Arabs.

The nation of Israel was also founded and established through violent means. The British first seized it as the British Mandate of Palestine from the remnant of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. It wasn't always stable due to international interference, starting with the British and their favouring of the Jews over the Arabs.

Except for the fact that there was supposed to be both an Israeli AND a Palestinian state even under the British Mandate and the UN. Israel established theirs and the Palestinians threw in their lot with the Arab armies and lost.

That's because no one taught them to play nice. ;)

For that, I blame the culture. :D

Except for the fact that there was supposed to be both an Israeli AND a Palestinian state even under the British Mandate and the UN. Israel established theirs and the Palestinians threw in their lot with the Arab armies and lost.

That's because no one taught them to play nice. ;)

i agree. But the British Empire, protection and influence has gone. And Zionism started in the 19th century were jews were suppressed especially in eastern and south Europe. Certainly the development in central Europe (mussolini, franco, hitler) caused the exodus. But do not forget, that all other possibilities for a zionistic state (e.g. within the u.s., this would have avoided trouble with arabs) were excluded (because they didn't like that idea...) before the proclamation of the state israel.
I surely believe that most of the emigrants to Israel could not move to any other place anymore just because of palstine population living there.
I am not known to politics of the 50ies - as maybe during the build-up of the new state Israel the most important mistakes alreade were made.
I hope that the younger generation in israel will take over. They are not educated by the holocaust and also not by the 1960ies wars of israel against its neighbours.

President Wilson was a racist

Yes, and the US in 1912 was an extremely racist country.

Thank you for confirming my point.

and Senator Byrd was in the KKK.

Was.

if the Zionist regime in Israel does care for peace in the region and with it's own Arab population

Of course they don't. Are you silly or what? Those a**es only give a s**t about anyone that's ideologically their clone. :p

well let's talk about all the Nations that hate Israel. They slaughter people for just being Christian, Jew, or standing up against dictatorships that enforce intolerence for freedom of Religion.

And Israel slaughters people just for being Palestinian, Arab, Lebanonian or anyone who doesn't like their policing that corner of the world with army attacks to neighbouring nations. :rolleyes:

It speaks that Israel is the most fair nation in the Middle East.

If you count "hating and downtrodding everyone else equally" as 'fair', then I guess you're right. :)

Arabs in Israel have far more rights than they do in Syria or any other nation in the region.

Palestinians, pl0x?
Palestinian = :eek: Israel army = :eek: :sniper:

You got me, I hate Jews.

I don't hate jews, just Israel (the country and what is seen outwards rather than the Israelites themselves), and will treat with extreme distaste anyone condoning the nation's recent actions.

HE'S A HOLOCAUST DENIER!!!

Eh, who cares? Let him be an idiot, this isn't about Iran anyway but Israel. There are holocaust deniers everywhere where there are idiots or illiterate people.

This will only occur when the violence does stop.
However when the violence stops, settlement building increases. This prompts more violence. When it stops, more settlements.
And that falls on the Israeli government to stop it. I was just talking about violence as violence was what I was responding to.

So far the Israeli goverment (as a whole, can't say about individual parties) has been ignoring even international pleas to stop the apartheid and genocide they seem intent on carrying out towards the Palestinian population.

The nation of Israel was also founded and established through violent means.
i agree. But the British Empire, protection and influence has gone.

Unfortunately USA picked up from right where the British Empire stopped... emulating the European mistakes time after time. :p Without the protection of USA (which also acts very suspiciously when it comes to places like, say, Iraq and Afganistan, just to name a few :rolleyes:), the Middle East would most likely fall into chaos, true, but as the situation prolongs the way it is now, a generation after generation will grow up to hate the other side of the conflict, until there really is no other way out of it than a full-scale war. :(

And if the usual pattern with USA's "military operations" holds, it'll fall on UN and EU to handle the rebuilding (or the parts of it that don't give profit to USA companies anyway)... *sigh*:rolleyes:

And has Iran been attacked by Israel? No. I guess that says something right there. :rolleyes:

Give it a few months.

...I don't hate jews, just Israel (the country and what is seen outwards rather than the Israelites themselves), and will treat with extreme distaste anyone condoning the nation's recent actions....Please don't confuse Israelis with Israelites.

This is the problem with Israeli Democracy. Small minority interests can get significant political clout and control the government. It's what the frummies do all the time.

However on the other hand the other form of democracy is American democracy with two similar parties that use small issues to create HUGE fusses and run the country.

The worst part is that there is no in between, so either Israel can have a racist in the government or have Likud/Labor/Kadima fight it out for the 2 dominant political parties and eventually lose a lot of differences in their ideologies (sp?) and have the extreme left/right marginalized. (although currently probably having the extreme left and right marginalized is a good thing for Israel except that Kadima sucks and thier the centrists)

Uch politics sucks.

Please don't confuse Israelis with Israelites.

Eh, there's a difference? o_O

English isn't my first language, so considering that, I think I'm doing pretty good. :D

Eh, there's a difference? o_O

English isn't my first language, so considering that, I think I'm doing pretty good. :D

As far as I remember, Israeli refers to modern day people living in Israel, Israelite means someone who lived in ancient Israel.

Hmmm...

The government generally respected the human rights of its citizens; however, there were problems in some areas, including the following:

institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens

Section 5 Discrimination, Societal Abuses, and Trafficking in Persons

The law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, gender, marital status, political beliefs, or age. These laws sometimes were not enforced, either due to institutionalized discrimination or to lack of resources. On September 7, then interior minister Ophir Pines-Paz termed the country's policy toward its Arab citizens "institutional discrimination" and called for affirmative action.
The 2003 report of the Orr Commission, which was established following the police killing of 12 Israeli-Arab demonstrators and a Palestinian in October 2000 (see section 1.a.), stated that government handling of the Arab sector was "primarily neglectful and discriminatory," was not sufficiently sensitive to Arab needs, and that the government did not allocate state resources equally. Consequently, "serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector…," including poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure. Problems also existed in the health and social services sectors.

In June 2004 the government adopted an interministerial committee's proposals to act on some of the Orr Commission's findings, including: establishment of a government body to promote the Arab sector; creation of a volunteer, national civilian service program for Arab youth; and the creation of a day of national tolerance. At year's end the government implemented neither these proposals nor the original Orr Commission recommendations.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61690.htm

As far as I remember, Israeli refers to modern day people living in Israel, Israelite means someone who lived in ancient Israel.

Meh, whatever, I meant "citizens of Israel", in case someone out there didn't get my point. :p

So far the Israeli goverment (as a whole, can't say about individual parties) has been ignoring even international pleas to stop the apartheid and genocide they seem intent on carrying out towards the Palestinian population.

And the Palestinian terror groups are ignoring calls to end their reign of terror from not only the world, but their own population.

Give it a few months.

I will take that bet.