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Anyone know any cheap easy recipes that I can do using a frying pan and a bowl (and maybe a vegetable steamer but I haven't washed it out yet) that are suitable for vegans?

I have access to conventional oven, grill, and hotplates, plus microwave.

You're vegan, now?

EDIT: http://www.vegeats.com/recipes/

Do you have a pot?

Do you have access to any spices, whatsoever?

Do you have access to potatoes?

How cheap are we talking? Will this work?:

1 lg. red onion
1/2 c. salad oil
1 (1 lb., 14 oz.) can chick peas
1 tbsp. salt
1/4 c. wine vinegar
Crisp lettuce leaves

Cut onion into very thin slices, separate into rings, place in bowl with water and ice cubes and let stand 30 minutes. Stir salt, salad oil and vinegar in cup. At serving time, combine dressing, drained chick peas, and drained and dried onion rings in bowl. Spoon over crisp lettuce leaves on individual serving plates.

baked potatoes with baked beans or some other delicious topping (that's not cheese or butter or chilli....)

baked potato with pico de gallo

baked potato

poke holes in the potato with a fork, wrap it in waxed paper, pop in the microwave for about 5 minutes

pico de gallo

chop up tomatoes, onions, cilantro, add a bit of water, leave in fridge overnight.

How cheap are we talking? Will this work?:

1 lg. red onion
1/2 c. salad oil
1 (1 lb., 14 oz.) can chick peas
1 tbsp. salt
1/4 c. wine vinegar
Crisp lettuce leaves

Cut onion into very thin slices, separate into rings, place in bowl with water and ice cubes and let stand 30 minutes. Stir salt, salad oil and vinegar in cup. At serving time, combine dressing, drained chick peas, and drained and dried onion rings in bowl. Spoon over crisp lettuce leaves on individual serving plates.

I'd recommend using Balsamic Vinegar if available. It really goes with the red onion's flavor.

I'd recommend using Balsamic Vinegar if available. It really goes with the red onion's flavor.

Good idea, I think I just decided on my dinner.

Do you have a pot?

Do you have access to any spices, whatsoever?

Do you have access to potatoes?

No pot, just frying pan (though it works fine as a pot as long as the quantity aint massive). No spices, though I could buy some as I'm going supermarket in a bit (but apparently they expensive). Same for potatoes (except not expensive, but unless there's a way of xooking em quickly they'll almost certainly go off before I used em all)

Good idea, I think I just decided on my dinner.

You're welcome! :)

Ooh, and tell me how it turns out!

Anyone know any cheap easy recipes that I can do using a frying pan and a bowl (and maybe a vegetable steamer but I haven't washed it out yet) that are suitable for vegans?

I have access to conventional oven, grill, and hotplates, plus microwave.

Grilled non-dairy cheese. Just grease the pan with non-dairy butter, and you're set. ;)

order a pizza!

if not for yourself do it for freedom!

without a pot, you will have to use canned beans, but adding chickpeas or black beans to just about anything is good.

I ate a LOT of chickpeas when I was a vegan, they are full of good stuff and they go great on just about anything.

No pot, just frying pan (though it works fine as a pot as long as the quantity aint massive). No spices, though I could buy some as I'm going supermarket in a bit (but apparently they expensive). Same for potatoes (except not expensive, but unless there's a way of xooking em quickly they'll almost certainly go off before I used em all)

Hmm...well I'd recommend then getting a pack of frozen cauliflower, and a pack of frozen peas. You can store them longer than you can store potatos, and they're tasty when cooked right.

Frying pan is fine as long as you're giving it constant supervision to ensure it doesn't burn crispy.

Your local supermarket should have cumin powder and red peppers.
If it has a foreign foods section, try to find Garam Masala and Vindaloo Paste. You can store them pretty much indefinitely in the fridge, and they work wonders with any vegetable.

If you can't get any spices, your best bet would be to get fresh cauliflower and frozen peas, and steam the cauliflower (you can just nuke the peas) and then cook them with some peppers and salt. You could, potentially, throw in some capsicum if you've got access to no spices, but I don't know how quickly you'd go through the rest of the capsicum.

Edit: Once you get back from the supermarket, post an inventory, k?

without a pot, you will have to use canned beans, but adding chickpeas or black beans to just about anything is good.

I ate a LOT of chickpeas when I was a vegan, they are full of good stuff and they go great on just about anything.

It's too bad he doesn't have a food processor and access to spices/tahini sauce, or I'd give him my hummus recipe.

That, and some pita, and he'd be set.

Thanks dudes and dudettes, some good ideas there :)

order a pizza!

if not for yourself do it for freedom!

Ah, but be sure to ask whether there's any eggs in their dough, and of course be sure they only use soy-based cheese. :p

order a pizza!

if not for yourself do it for freedom!

He's vegan. No cheese.

Ah, but be sure to ask whether there's any eggs in their dough, and of course be sure they only use soy-based cheese. :p

pfft like any of that is in a Pizza delivery!

you could eat the pizza girl though ;) (I'm a bad, baaad man)

It's too bad he doesn't have a food processor and access to spices/tahini sauce, or I'd give him my hummus recipe.

That, and some pita, and he'd be set.

I love hummus, it's like the best food ever. I used to cook it in huge batches and freeze it and eat it like at least one meal a day......it's got all kinds of awesomeness and it was so yummy.

can I have your recipe? I have a food processor.......please?

He's vegan. No cheese.

Non-dairy cheese! Tastes like paper, sure, but it's cheese! ;)

He's vegan. No cheese.

Dominos had a vegan crust, so I could order a veggie pizza no cheese....but that was like 10 years ago. I quit looking for vegan food when I started eating dead animals again.

Guacamole is also good, you can have it in tacos
If you have it then add 2 avocatos, choped onion red(not all of it), 1/2 a lemon/lime worth of juice, tomatoes (again not all of it) and sault and your good. You can also have it with crackers or pita bread and nachos.

I love hummus, it's like the best food ever. I used to cook it in huge batches and freeze it and eat it like at least one meal a day......it's got all kinds of awesomeness and it was so yummy.

can I have your recipe? I have a food processor.......please?

It's in many ways your standard hummus recipe, but here:

2 15.5 oz cans of chick peas
2 cloves of garlic
2 spoons of Tahini sauce
1 tablespoon of lemon juice
2 tablespoons of olive oil
1 cup of water

Now, I'm going to list the spices I put in in the amounts I generally put in. You're going to have to modify them as needed, largely because people have different levels of spice tolerance:
3 teaspoons of powdered red peppers
2 teaspoons of black pepper corn
Salt as needed (I use a handful or two, so I'm not sure of the exact measurement)
5 teaspoons approx. cumin powder

Now, depending on the size and evenness of your food process, you may have to half the size of it, and make it in two batches. Just cut all the measurements in half and do it twice (I have to do this, as my food processor sucks)

Strain and rinse the chick peas, wash and peel the garlic

Add the chick peas in, and I'd recommend adding in the garlic and processing it all, adding water and oil to get the consistency right. Once you've got it mostly pasted, add in the lemon juice and spices, and you'll probably have to adjust the amount of spice based on your personal preference. Try to keep it mixed and even, so as to avoid getting a mouthful of unprocessed chick pea.
I like it really thick, so you may have to add water/oil above what the recipe calls for to get the consistency as thin and creamy as you'd prefer. Extra tahini as well.

After that, just scrape it into a container and it's good to go.

baked potato with pico de gallo

baked potato

poke holes in the potato with a fork, wrap it in waxed paper, pop in the microwave for about 5 minutes

pico de gallo

chop up tomatoes, onions, cilantro, add a bit of water, leave in fridge overnight.

Good idea, but substitute water for lime juice, and add some fresh garlic...before adding the onions and garlic poor two cup of boiling hot water over them to slightly blanch them...you can also add chilis if you wish I like fresh jalapenos ...fresh not pickeld.

Non-dairy cheese! Tastes like paper, sure, but it's cheese! ;)

The lack of good cheese is the reason I will never become a vegan.

Good idea, but substitute water for lime juice, and add some fresh garlic...before adding the onions and garlic poor two cup of boiling hot water over them to slightly blanch them...you can also add chilis if you wish I like fresh jalapenos ...fresh not pickeld.

he said cheap and easy, your way has like steps and words like "blanch" and also.....limes are expensive, they are like $4.99 a pound here.

Ohh, Arizona falaffal.

Kidney beans mashed with a fork...wait. It includes egg whites a vegan cnat eat whites right? Then you need a binder...I cant think of one besides egg whites.

bah,

16oz of Kidney beans mashed,
Binder==one egg white
finely diced cilantro to taste
crushed corn chips
a little cumin
salt and pepper

make oval shapes out of mixed ingredients pan fry with oil of your choice, serve with pico de gallo or guacamole. So good. They also stuff pitas very well.

Also, Smunkee. I'd recommend eating all within a few days. Unless you stick it in the freezer, the garlic will cure in the lemon juice over a few days and steadily get stronger.

Ohh, Arizona falaffal.

Kidney beans mashed with a fork...wait. It includes egg whites a vegan cnat eat whites right? Then you need a binder...I cant think of one besides egg whites.

bah,

16oz of Kidney beans mashed,
Binder==one egg white
finely diced cilantro to taste
crushed corn chips
a little cumin
salt and pepper

make oval shapes out of mixed ingredients pan fry with oil of your choice, serve with pico de gallo or guacamole. So good. They also stuff pitas very well.

vegans don't eat eggs

The lack of good cheese is the reason I will never become a vegan.

Depends what country you in. There's an awesome vegan "cheese" in the UK called "Cheezly" - doesn't look a lot like cheese, but tastes and smells like it when melted (if you use the "Super Melting" version anyway). Fucking expensive though.

he said cheap and easy, your way has like steps and words like "blanch" and also.....limes are expensive, they are like $4.99 a pound here.

...
I use the little plastic lime, 1.99. Good for about 30 pico de gallo mixes.

Pouring hot water of a food is only complex if you have suffered a massive brain injury. He doesnt steep the food he pours it right over, he can use a collander or strainer or coffee filter...the water passes right through its impossible to feck up... and it tastes better.

Ohh, Arizona falaffal.

Kidney beans mashed with a fork...wait. It includes egg whites a vegan cnat eat whites right? Then you need a binder...I cant think of one besides egg whites.

bah,

16oz of Kidney beans mashed,
Binder==one egg white
finely diced cilantro to taste
crushed corn chips
a little cumin
salt and pepper

make oval shapes out of mixed ingredients pan fry with oil of your choice, serve with pico de gallo or guacamole. So good. They also stuff pitas very well.
apple sauce works in place of egg whites, just get the kind that doesn't have added sugar or it will mess up the flavor of your dish. *nod*

Ohh, Arizona falaffal.

Kidney beans mashed with a fork...wait. It includes egg whites a vegan cnat eat whites right? Then you need a binder...I cant think of one besides egg whites.

bah,

16oz of Kidney beans mashed,
Binder==one egg white
finely diced cilantro to taste
crushed corn chips
a little cumin
salt and pepper

make oval shapes out of mixed ingredients pan fry with oil of your choice, serve with pico de gallo or guacamole. So good. They also stuff pitas very well.

If he can get tahini, it might make for an effective binder. It's thick and sticky like egg whites.

...
I use the little plastic lime, 1.99.

Pouring hot water of a food is only complex if you have suffered a massive brain injury. He doesnt steep the food he pours it right over, he can use a collander or strainer or coffee filter...the water passes right through its impossible to feck up.

we are talking about Multiland here though.

and coffee filter? nice. :cool: I can use that information.

we are talking about Multiland here though.

Shit, looks like you do know me better than I thought :p

apple sauce works in place of egg whites, just get the kind that doesn't have added sugar or it will mess up the flavor of your dish. *nod*

Really!!
That is awesome. I had no idea. Cna i use that in breads too? What about cookies? That is fecking great...eggs have soo much cholesterol...and I am getting old.


Pour extra slowly using a coffee filter though...and make sure it is held in place by something...paper towel works...I have used clean wash clothes.

Really!!
That is awesome. I had no idea. Cna i use that in breads too? What about cookies? That is fecking great...eggs have soo much cholesterol...and I am getting old.

yep, it works great with baking. use a bit more than 1Tbs for each egg you are trying to replace.

you can also used mashed banana but it affects the flavor a bit more.

Then I will be making chocolate chip cookies tonight "Al la Smunkie"

Hey Smunk, did you ever end up making that pesto recipe from a while back? I remember you saying that there was a problem with the amount of basil used, and was wondering if that ever got resolved.

I only have one recipe and to make it vegan you would have to take the meat out of the frying pan but then you would just have olive oil and spices. I don't think you'd survive off that for long.

...eggs have soo much cholesterol...

Only the yolks. The whites are cholesterol-free.

Hey Smunk, did you ever end up making that pesto recipe from a while back? I remember you saying that there was a problem with the amount of basil used, and was wondering if that ever got resolved.

I did. It turns out the kids don't like it, but once a week we eat just hubby and I so since we really liked it, it's another thing for me to cook. ;)

I did. It turns out the kids don't like it, but once a week we eat just hubby and I so since we really liked it, it's another thing for me to cook. ;)

Glad to hear it.

Only the yolks. The whites are cholesterol-free.

I thought ALL animal products had cholesterol?

I thought ALL animal products had cholesterol?

You thought wrong.

You thought wrong.

Bet I didn't. Technically the white probably aint really an animal product (though obviously it's no good for vegans) since the yolk is the chickeny bit. I think.

he said cheap and easy, your way has like steps and words like "blanch" and also.....limes are expensive, they are like $4.99 a pound here.

Wow, I can generally get two to ten for a dollar, depending on the time of year.

It includes egg whites a vegan cnat eat whites right? Then you need a binder...I cant think of one besides egg whites.

http://www.pioneerthinking.com/eggsub.html

Bet I didn't.

A bet you'll lose.

Technically the white probably aint really an animal product

Oh, it is.

Bet I didn't. Technically the white probably aint really an animal product (though obviously it's no good for vegans) since the yolk is the chickeny bit. I think.

if it comes from an animal it's an animal product.


vegans who eat egg whites annoy me almost as much as "vegetarians" who eat fish.

Technically the white probably aint really an animal product (though obviously it's no good for vegans) since the yolk is the chickeny bit. I think.

The white still came out of the same chicken that the yolk and shell did. It's still an animal product.

chickpea curry is always a good one. i'm sure it'd be possible to do it vegan. i can't be bothered to get up and look at the ingredients on my pot of curry powder though, there's bound to be someone making a vegan curry powder though. i like it rogan josh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogan_josh) style with ginger, garlic and tomatoes.

ingredients: firm tofu, veggies (of your choice), oil, random spices

heat pan
chop tofu into desired shape (I find that setting the brick down with its shortest side vertical and cutting the block with some cuts going left and right and others going top to bottom works well)
when pan sizzles and evaporates water quickly, add a small bit of oil to the pan
add tofu to the pan
mix tofu around, make sure not to burn it
chop veggies
add veggies from hardest to softest... well, ones that need most cooking to least (onions first usually...)
add spices as desired
throw on top of some rice, eat it by itself, put it in a wrap with some mustard or whatever condiment you like... et c


oh, and my bf can make some awesome scrambled tofu if you want me to tell you how that's done. If you had a sauce pan I could suggest some other stuff that basically consists of taking a bunch of beans, boiling them until they're soft and throwing veggies and spices in.

vegans who eat egg whites annoy me almost as much as "vegetarians" who eat fish.
Ugh. Pescatarians who identify themselves as vegetarians should all go fuck themselves.

Ugh. Tofu.

Ugh. Pescatarians who identify themselves as vegetarians should all go fuck themselves.

yes, they should.........only that might be fun.

anyway, those idiots got me years of "but you eat fish right?" when I tried to explain vegan to people :rolleyes:

btw, don't try to explain vegan to people in a meat state......they don't get it, I thought it was bad with that but it's even worse explaining gluten free

"you don't eat chicken fried steak and gravy?"
"no"
:eek::upyours:

they actually get offended.

freaks.

yes, they should.........only that might be fun.

anyway, those idiots got me years of "but you eat fish right?" when I tried to explain vegan to people :rolleyes:

btw, don't try to explain vegan to people in a meat state......they don't get it, I thought it was bad with that but it's even worse explaining gluten free

"you don't eat chicken fried steak and gravy?"
"no"
:eek::upyours:

they actually get offended.

freaks.

You're a vegan?

You're a vegan?

She said that she used to be but has now returned to a "normal" diet.

The white still came out of the same chicken that the yolk and shell did. It's still an animal product.

Actually, the white IS the chicken. The delicious yolk is the chicken nutrient, according to a trivia show I once saw. :)

Ugh. Tofu.

No disagreement there. :)

She said that she used to be but has now returned to a "normal" diet.

Okay, that makes sense now.

Ugh. Tofu.
I like tofu, it can be quite yummy if cooked well.

I like tofu, it can be quite yummy if cooked well.

It can, especially with that spicy Thai peanut sauce. Though it's worth remembering that any soy product unleashes a torrent of estrogen into your bloodstream. Might be good policy to limit one's consumption, I would expect.

yes, they should.........only that might be fun.

anyway, those idiots got me years of "but you eat fish right?" when I tried to explain vegan to people :rolleyes:

btw, don't try to explain vegan to people in a meat state......they don't get it, I thought it was bad with that but it's even worse explaining gluten free

"you don't eat chicken fried steak and gravy?"
"no"
:eek::upyours:

they actually get offended.

freaks.


Amazingly enough, I get the gluten free thing.(Yay for new "gluten free" labels on stuff at Walmart!!) People in my area don't get the "I'm going to cook this shit from scratch so I know exactly what's going into my body" thing.

It can, especially with that spicy Thai peanut sauce. Though it's worth remembering that any soy product unleashes a torrent of estrogen into your bloodstream. Might be good policy to limit one's consumption, I would expect.

I hate tofu. It is the devil. And it tastes nasty. I can have a good, tasty diet without resorting to meat substitutes.

I'm Indian.

I hate tofu. It is the devil. And it tastes nasty. I can have a good, tasty diet without resorting to meat substitutes.

I'm Indian.

I can understand that. Tofu is only as tasty as what you put into it, and the texture isn't that great, in my opinion. It's no replacement for meat.

It can, especially with that spicy Thai peanut sauce. Though it's worth remembering that any soy product unleashes a torrent of estrogen into your bloodstream. Might be good policy to limit one's consumption, I would expect.

It's still a health food. And the estrogen studies were inconclusive, so enjoy your tofu.

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20060426-000001.html

I can understand that. Tofu is only as tasty as what you put into it, and the texture isn't that great, in my opinion. It's no replacement for meat.

Deep-fried in wonton wrappers, and flavoured with maybe some imitation crabmeat, it's a fine substitute for cream cheese,though. ^_^ I love deep-fried tofu...

Deep-fried in wonton wrappers, and flavoured with maybe some imitation crabmeat, it's a fine substitute for cream cheese,though. ^_^ I love deep-fried tofu...

Sounds good, but that immitation crab tends to make me projectile-vomit. :p It might just be the sorbital, but I think it's something else too. Hm.

You're a vegan?
used to be, started craving chili dogs when I got pregnant.
She said that she used to be but has now returned to a "normal" diet.
I never referred to my diet as "normal", it's most decidedly abnormal for the bulk of people I live around.
Amazingly enough, I get the gluten free thing.(Yay for new "gluten free" labels on stuff at Walmart!!) People in my area don't get the "I'm going to cook this shit from scratch so I know exactly what's going into my body" thing.
Yay! indeed. I cook nearly everything from scratch, I like knowing exactly what I am eating, got into that habit when I was vegan and never looked back.

Sounds good, but that immitation crab tends to make me projectile-vomit. :p It might just be the sorbital, but I think it's something else too. Hm.

I can't have sorbitol either. I've managed to find imitation crab that's made of Alaskan Pollock, and it's usually very good.

I can't have sorbitol either. I've managed to find imitation crab that's made of Alaskan Pollock, and it's usually very good.

Never knew that even existed. I'll have to interrogate the butcher next time it's on sale. If it didn't send me into vomitous paroxysms, I could probably down a bucket of the stuff. :p

I can't have sorbitol either. I've managed to find imitation crab that's made of Alaskan Pollock, and it's usually very good.

sorbitol is nasty stuff, makes me puke.......I have to check all my cough syrup for it and everything.....

I love tofu. I just cant cook it to save my life. Seriously.

You like Key lime pie Smunk?

I mean real key lime pie? I ask because i ma making my wife one right now.

I love tofu. I just cant cook it to save my life. Seriously.

You like Key lime pie Smunk?

I mean real key lime pie? I ask because i ma making my wife one right now.
never ever had key lime pie. :(

never ever had key lime pie. :(

Key lime pie = win.

Mine is stting now waiting to be eaten...but it wont be until tommorow.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/IndioRazaRepublica/SkibFood/KeyLimePie.jpg
Its really simple,

2 teaspoonsof zest form the key lime(do not use persian limes many recipes say they are the same...they are not)

You need about half a cup of lime juice (12-16 limes).

4 egg yolks

14 oz can of sweetened condensed milk.

Most recipes call for a graham cracker crust...I use Special K cereal...I used once in a pinch because I was out of graham crackers and my wife loved it...go figure, it has less fat and more nutrients any way.

So you

beat your four yolks until they turn a slightly lighter shade of yellow--STOP

Then beat in half of the lime juice, add zest, continue to beat...ON LOW...then add the other half of the juice....beat about a minute more...add to pie shell, bake at 350 for 10 minutes.

Now. That is the "Safe" way to make the pie.

I prefer the traditional way, which is actually no bake.

You do everything I said, but then let the pie sit over night.

The acid inthe lime juice will set the pie, and protect from most bacteria...BUT salmonella(s/p?) is still a threat so if the eggs do contain a significant amount or it some how grows rapidly everyone eating the pie will get sick. Well, I dot imagine i would as many raw or under cooked egggs as I have eaten. But that is how REAL Key Lime Pie is made in a traditional fashion.

Simply be aware if you go that route, you run a direct risk of getting sick by way of foodborn illness.
I have never gotten sick in all my years of making them, or of my grandmother making them, but hey shit happens.

I am fairly certain you know how to make a pie shell...but if you try the Special K dont add sugar to the crust there is no need, and use real butter not that other crap.

I never referred to my diet as "normal", it's most decidedly abnormal for the bulk of people I live around.

Sorry, I didn't mean that you had said that I was using the quotation marks to signify tht it was what some people would call normal as you now eat meat.

Good, old-fashioned cucumber salad. Peel and slice a cucumber, peel and slice an onion, any kind (though a red onion is best for color and Vidalias and Mauis are sweeter). In a bowl, alternate onion and cucumber slices. Douse with cider vinegar. Chill overnight. It's actually quite tasty and refreshing on a hot day.

or:

Quick Pasta Sauce

2-3 ripe tomatoes - diced
1 medium to large onion - diced
fresh garlic to taste - minced
1/4 cup plain bread crumbs
1 tablespoon fresh parsley - chopped
Fresh basil to taste - chopped
Salt and pepper to taste
1/4 cup red wine (optional)
@ 1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil

Hot cooked pasta of your choice

Drizzle about a tablespoon of olive oil in a frying pan. When it's hot, add the tomatoes, onions and garlic. Fry until the onions and garlic are soft. Add the parsley, basil, salt and pepper and bread crumbs. Stir until mixed through. Add the wine. Bring to a boil, turn down the heat, and cook until the alcohol is pretty much gone. Pour over the pasta.

if it comes from an animal it's an animal product.


vegans who eat egg whites annoy me almost as much as "vegetarians" who eat fish.

I never said I eated egg white. I don't know a single vegan who does, so I think the people you met are probably just "I wanna belong to something" people. Vegans, by deifnition, don't eat ANY animal product or by-product. Thus if ya eat egg white, you aint vegan.

And of course people who eat fish aint vegetarians either, I think they're pescetarians (not sure)

I never said I eated egg white. I don't know a single vegan who does, so I think the people you met are probably just "I wanna belong to something" people. Vegans, by deifnition, don't eat ANY animal product or by-product. Thus if ya eat egg white, you aint vegan.

And of course people who eat fish aint vegetarians either, I think they're pescetarians (not sure)

you often strike me as a "I wanna belong to something" type of person, but I am glad that you aren't eating egg whites.


be sure to check the labels of any processed food you do eat to make sure it doesn't have animal products in it (like potato chips with beef stock) and also decide whether or not you are going to eat sugar (since granulated sugar is made with bone meal sometimes) and stay away from gelatin of all sorts. ;)

*tries to be helpful*

you often strike me as a "I wanna belong to something" type of person, but I am glad that you aren't eating egg whites.


be sure to check the labels of any processed food you do eat to make sure it doesn't have animal products in it (like potato chips with beef stock) and also decide whether or not you are going to eat sugar (since granulated sugar is made with bone meal sometimes) and stay away from gelatin of all sorts. ;)

*tries to be helpful*

No I just strike you. Pretty hefty blows too. :P

:O potato chips with beef stock? oh wait you from USA right? so you mean what we call crisps? still, i seen beef flavour crisps that have "suitable for vegetarians" on them. Also I mainly shop at Sainsburys, and they labl lots of stuff as vegan. I would only eat sugar if it's in something that says vegan on it. I don't trust the info from helplines as they could always deny what they said, and if I had a "suitable for vegans" list of products it'd be practically no use as the ingredients could change without warning (as has happened with Tesco. Not that I'd want to shop there after that whistleblower programme anyway).

No I just strike you. Pretty hefty blows too. :P

:O potato chips with beef stock? oh wait you from USA right? so you mean what we call crisps? still, i seen beef flavour crisps that have "suitable for vegetarians" on them. Also I mainly shop at Sainsburys, and they labl lots of stuff as vegan. I would only eat sugar if it's in something that says vegan on it. I don't trust the info from helplines as they could always deny what they said, and if I had a "suitable for vegans" list of products it'd be practically no use as the ingredients could change without warning (as has happened with Tesco. Not that I'd want to shop there after that whistleblower programme anyway).

you guys call french fried potatoes chips right? well I was originally talking about "crisps" but also if you get french fries from anything other than scratch you also need to check them for beef flavoring.

you guys call french fried potatoes chips right? well I was originally talking about "crisps" but also if you get french fries from anything other than scratch you also need to check them for beef flavoring.

No no no. with the exception of a few annoying strange people, we call fries (eg. the thin crispy things you get from McDonald's) "fries", we call the things you call potato chips "crisps" and we call fat soft things (SOFT, despite what a few modern so-called chefs say) that are SIMILAR to fries "chips". Except for a slightly irritating brand called "Kettle" who call their crisps "chips.

FRIES: http://www.e-cookbooks.net/mousepad/fries.jpg

CRISPS: http://therawchef.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/crisps.jpg

CHIPS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/content/images/2005/09/29/chips203_203x152.jpg

And I could be wrong, but I think most frozen fries don't have any animal stuff added. Frozen chips usually just consist of potato, vegetable oil, and maybe some processed potato or/and flaked potato. Never came across any with beef flavouring as far as I can remember. Chinese chippies seem to use animal fat to fry em in though.

You should make monk's delight.

And for added eating pleasure add shitake mushroom caps braised in soy sauce and ginger.

No no no. with the exception of a few annoying strange people, we call fries (eg. the thin crispy things you get from McDonald's) "fries", we call the things you call potato chips "crisps" and we call fat soft things (SOFT, despite what a few modern so-called chefs say) that are SIMILAR to fries "chips". Except for a slightly irritating brand called "Kettle" who call their crisps "chips.

FRIES: http://www.e-cookbooks.net/mousepad/fries.jpg

CRISPS: http://therawchef.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/crisps.jpg

CHIPS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/content/images/2005/09/29/chips203_203x152.jpg

And I could be wrong, but I think most frozen fries don't have any animal stuff added. Frozen chips usually just consist of potato, vegetable oil, and maybe some processed potato or/and flaked potato. Never came across any with beef flavouring as far as I can remember. Chinese chippies seem to use animal fat to fry em in though.
maybe things are different over there, but I have seen beef flavor or beef stock on the label of all of those in certain brands.

maybe things are different over there, but I have seen beef flavor or beef stock on the label of all of those in certain brands.

I seen "beef flavour" in crisps, but often this is vegetarian (hence the label saying "suitable for vegetarians") as it doesn't use real beef or any other real dead animal / animal part.

Never seen beef flavour on frozen chips, as far as I can remember.

I seen "beef falvour" in crisps, but often this is vegetarian (hence the label saying "suitable for vegetarians") as it doesn't use real beef or any other real dead animal / animal part.

we don't have the "suitable for veggie" label here so you just have to call the company. :(

we don't have the "suitable for veggie" label here so you just have to call the company. :(

:O how very uncivilised. Bit stupid actually, they missing out on lots of custom.

:O how very uncivilised. Bit stupid actually, they missing out on lots of custom.

pardon the rudeness but I am still trying to get them to write guidelines that make sense for gluten-free labeling. It's higher on my list than labeling for people with optional diet restrictions.

pardon the rudeness but I am still trying to get them to write guidelines that make sense for gluten-free labeling. It's higher on my list than labeling for people with optional diet restrictions.

1. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that many people who have become vegan for ethical reasons simply can not (rather than will not) bring themselves to eat what was once a living, feeling, breathing being. Just in the same way that even if you were on an island full of cannibals, you probably wouldn't be able to bring yourself to eat humans if there was other food around.

2. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that stuff labelled as vegan should not contain animal products (though there a few companies who put "may contain traces of milk/eggs" on packets of stuff, presumably because they don't clean equipment properly), thus, unless otherwise labelled, vegan products cover people allergic to: eggs, dairy products, shellfish, fish (shellfish is actually a crustacean)

3. Similar arguments for vegetarianism

4. You're pardoned

1. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that many people who have become vegan for ethical reasons simply can not (rather than will not) bring themselves to eat what was once a living, feeling, breathing being. Just in the same way that even if you were on an island full of cannibals, you probably wouldn't be able to bring yourself to eat humans if there was other food around.

2. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that stuff labelled as vegan should not contain animal products (though there a few companies who put "may contain traces of milk/eggs" on packets of stuff, presumably because they don't clean equipment properly), thus, unless otherwise labelled, vegan products cover people allergic to: eggs, dairy products, shellfish, fish (shellfish is actually a crustacean)

3. Similar arguments for vegetarianism

4. You're pardoned

it's optional.

it's optional.

What a very intelligent, well-thought-out, detailed argument. By your logic (or apparent lack of it), being allergic to gluten is optional too.

1. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that many people who have become vegan for ethical reasons simply can not (rather than will not) bring themselves to eat what was once a living, feeling, breathing being. Just in the same way that even if you were on an island full of cannibals, you probably wouldn't be able to bring yourself to eat humans if there was other food around.

2. Being vegan is not optional in the sense that stuff labelled as vegan should not contain animal products (though there a few companies who put "may contain traces of milk/eggs" on packets of stuff, presumably because they don't clean equipment properly), thus, unless otherwise labelled, vegan products cover people allergic to: eggs, dairy products, shellfish, fish (shellfish is actually a crustacean)

3. Similar arguments for vegetarianism

4. You're pardoned

You're choosing to be Vegan. You're choosing to eat this way.

Smunkee doesn't have the luxury of getting to choose what she eats. She eats the wrong thing, she could die. You eat the wrong thing and feel guilty for a little while. So, tell me, how long will this Vegan thing last? Your Christianity sure went out the window fast enough..

You're choosing to be Vegan. You're choosing to eat this way.

Smunkee doesn't have the luxury of getting to choose what she eats. She eats the wrong thing, she could die. You eat the wrong thing and feel guilty for a little while. So, tell me, how long will this Vegan thing last? Your Christianity sure went out the window fast enough..

I CHOSE to be vegan originally. However, now, even if I tried, like many vegetarians and vegans, I could not bring myself to eat a dead animal, just as I'm sure you could not bring yourself to eat a dead human if there was alternative food.

And as I stated, things labelled as suitable for vegans are generally suitable for people with the allergies I listed.

And I'm very careful about what I eat, and would feel horrible if I ended up eating something non-vegan. If it was actually part of a dead animal, I would feel the same way most people would feel if they accidentally ate part of a dead human. To most people there may be a difference, but to me, a life is a life and I'd feel the same whether that was a human life or animal life. And I've been vegan for over 2 years, and will not change. I don't know what I explained about the religious conversion, but I can't be arsed going over it now.

I CHOSE to be vegan originally. However, now, even if I tried, like many vegetarians and vegans, I could not bring myself to eat a dead animal, just as I'm sure you could not bring yourself to eat a dead human if there was alternative food.

And as I stated, things labelled as suitable for vegans are generally suitable for people with the allergies I listed.

And I'm very careful about what I eat, and would feel horrible if I ended up eating something non-vegan. If it was actually part of a dead animal, I would feel the same way most people would feel if they accidentally ate part of a dead human. To most people there may be a difference, but to me, a life is a life and I'd feel the same whether that was a human life or animal life. And I've been vegan for over 2 years, and will not change. I don't know what I explained about the religious conversion, but I can't be arsed going over it now.

I was a vegan for a while, believe me it's an optional restrictive diet. You choose not to eat animal products because you feel guilty if you do. It's not the same as people with medically restricted diets. One of us has a choice, the other really does not.

I was a vegan for a while, believe me it's an optional restrictive diet. You choose not to eat animal products because you feel guilty if you do. It's not the same as people with medically restricted diets. One of us has a choice, the other really does not.

As a person who went back to eating meat, no offence but I don't think you're particularly qualified to speak about whether vegans are vegan due to guilt or not.

As a person who went back to eating meat, no offence but I don't think you're particularly qualified to speak about whether vegans are vegan due to guilt or not.

as a person who only suffers from "guilt" when they stray from their diet, I don't think you have anything to say about what's optional and what's not.

I CHOSE to be vegan originally. However, now, even if I tried, like many vegetarians and vegans, I could not bring myself to eat a dead animal, just as I'm sure you could not bring yourself to eat a dead human if there was alternative food.

And as I stated, things labelled as suitable for vegans are generally suitable for people with the allergies I listed.

And I'm very careful about what I eat, and would feel horrible if I ended up eating something non-vegan. If it was actually part of a dead animal, I would feel the same way most people would feel if they accidentally ate part of a dead human. To most people there may be a difference, but to me, a life is a life and I'd feel the same whether that was a human life or animal life. And I've been vegan for over 2 years, and will not change. I don't know what I explained about the religious conversion, but I can't be arsed going over it now.
Optional.
It doesnt matter how bad you would FEEL, you can at will eat meat. At will.

She can not at will eat gluten and remain alive.

I am alergic to apples and Brazil nuts...I do not choose to go into respitory distress when I eat them...I simply do. There fore not eating them is not an option unless I intend on suicide.

I am not slighting the strength of your convictions and neither is Smunkie...simply you are still making a choice. Perhaps for you it is a very clear choice based on morals. But it is a choice none the less.

Her Logic of "Its Optional" was pure. She didnt need to explain anything...you already had.

Nothing in your explaination was not optional.

Religious people can choose to deny God...they may not be happy about it.

You can at your option eat meat you might not like it, but meh. Its still a choice.