NationStates Jolt Archive


The Definition of Perfection

Remote Observer
31-05-2007, 16:18
I keep hearing that the Koran is the ultimate perfect book, and because of this, it has to be read in Arabic, so that the person reading it gets the perfect meaning from it (apparently, there's no need to interpret its writings, because what the Prophet wrote was perfect).

Which brings to mind the fatwas, or official interpretations by various sheiks and imams over the centuries. Why would there need to be an official interpretation if the book is perfect? If it's perfect, if I have a problem, I should be able to just point to a page that mentions my type of problem, and there should be a solution.

It sounds to me more like any other "holy book" and the usual habit of people putting themselves in a position of "holy interpreter" so they can tell people to do something ridiculous, like breastfeed adult males or drink urine.

Fat chance of this ever happening ('http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=7439')

Yes, the suggestion has been made after over a thousand years that maybe, just maybe, they should all agree on what interpretation they should make of the Koran and the Prophet. You know, interpretations over a perfect book that requires no interpretation.

Hopefully, it's not the one that involves drinking urine.

Gomaa himself is the author of a controversial book which claimed that Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) companions used to drink his urine, considering it a blessed act, as reported by Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper.

Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.

“We hope that we will no longer have to see another fake and incorrect fatwa similar to those that have been released recently about breastfeeding adult men and the Prophet's Mohammed’s (PBUH) urine,” Sheikh Mohmoud Ashour, former deputy of Al Azhar and member of the Islamic Research Center, told The Daily Star Egypt.

"If implemented properly [Gomaa’s recommendation] will prevent fatwas from becoming a business not a science as it should be," Ashour said pointing to the sheikhs who appear on TV and profit from making controversial and incorrect fatwas.
UN Protectorates
31-05-2007, 16:22
Funnily enough I hear the Bible being described as "perfect" by a few Christian Fundamentalists I've met.
Barringtonia
31-05-2007, 16:24
Funnily enough I hear the Bible being described as "perfect" by a few Christian Fundamentalists I've met.

If the Pope's infallible...
Remote Observer
31-05-2007, 16:24
Funnily enough I hear the Bible being described as "perfect" by a few Christian Fundamentalists I've met.

Haven't heard any Christian ever suggest that the Apostles drank the urine of Jesus...
Remote Observer
31-05-2007, 16:25
If the Pope's infallible...

Only when he's speaking ex cathedra.

During which time, he's not taking a piss...
Andaluciae
31-05-2007, 16:27
Beer, my friends, is the definition of perfection.
Draconic Gehenna
31-05-2007, 16:34
If the Koran's perfect, how come I don't get my virgins, crystal clear raisins, Virginians, or any other translation? And why are everyone but Arabs infidels? Last time I checked, neither the Jews nor the Christians thought anyone were infidels- well, I know some that think the Arabs are now, but that's beside the point.
SaintB
31-05-2007, 16:38
Perfection is one of those things that everyone has a different idea of.
Compulsive Depression
31-05-2007, 16:39
Beer, my friends, is the definition of perfection.

Somebody's never drank Carlsberg ;)
Draconic Gehenna
31-05-2007, 16:40
I think Guiness is perfection
SaintB
31-05-2007, 16:48
Beer, my friends, is the definition of perfection.


I think Guiness is perfection

Rum..

Unless you are saying beer is the urine of Mohamed. That would make perfect sense to me!
Ifreann
31-05-2007, 16:49
per·fec·tion /pərˈfɛkʃən/ Pronunciation[per-fek-shuhn]
–noun
1. the state or quality of being or becoming perfect.
2. the highest degree of proficiency, skill, or excellence, as in some art.
3. a perfect embodiment or example of something.
4. a quality, trait, or feature of the highest degree of excellence.
5. the highest or most nearly perfect degree of a quality or trait.
6. the act or fact of perfecting.
Deus Malum
31-05-2007, 16:57
Haven't heard any Christian ever suggest that the Apostles drank the urine of Jesus...

Aaaagh. God damn you. GOD DAMN YOU. *Goes to scrub his brain with steel wool*

Did anyone else click this thread expecting a discussion of the Ontological Argument?
Remote Observer
31-05-2007, 16:59
Aaaagh. God damn you. GOD DAMN YOU. *Goes to scrub his brain with steel wool*

Did anyone else click this thread expecting a discussion of the Ontological Argument?

Let me see... I'm imagining the most perfect unicorn, taking a wizz...
Hynation
31-05-2007, 17:01
Never try to be perfect, because you'll never get there...
Soleichunn
31-05-2007, 17:13
Beer, my friends, is the definition of perfection.

Thats it! That guy was talking about Piss Beer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Beer
Law Abiding Criminals
31-05-2007, 20:49
Only when he's speaking ex cathedra.

During which time, he's not taking a piss...

Or advising us to drink piss. Or do anything ridiculous.

I'm just waiting for the day when Pope Benedict gets up, claims to speak ex cathedra, and says something to the effect of, "Jesus says to go fuck yourselves." It would be worth it to work my way up to the papacy just to be able to do that.