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Now this could be an argument for some sort of censorship.

The Potato Factory
30-05-2007, 09:43
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/29/kidney.show.ap/index.html

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) -- A 37-year-old woman suffering from an inoperable brain tumor wants to donate a kidney before she dies and will choose the recipient from among three contestants on Dutch national television, a TV network said Tuesday, claiming it wants to highlight a crisis in organ donations.

Asked to intervene, the government said it was unable to stop the broadcast, regardless of how distasteful -- and even unethical -- it might be. And it's unclear whether the contestants are a medical match with the terminally ill woman, and whether the winner would be capable of receiving her kidney.

The publicly financed television network, BNN, said it intends to go ahead with the program on Friday, drawing attention to the hundreds of people who die each year for lack of a kidney transplant.

The scheduled broadcast of "The Big Donor Show" reached the floor of parliament after a member of the governing Christian Democrats, Joop Atsma, questioned whether a public contest for a lifesaving organ would cross the boundary of merely objectionable to actually illegal.

"The information I have right now tells me that the program is unfitting and unethical, especially due to the competitive element, but it's up to program makers to make their choices," responded Education Minister Ronald Plasterk.

Government interference would amount to censorship, he said.

BNN defended the program. "Some people will think it's tasteless, but we think the reality is even more shocking and tasteless: Waiting for an organ is just like playing the lottery," said network chairman Laurens Drillich.

"The Big Donor Show" is produced by Endemol NV, which created the "Big Brother" concept in 1999 and marketed it around the world, setting off the rage of reality TV.

The network identified the donor only as "Lisa." During the show, she will hear interviews with the three candidates, their families and friends before choosing who will get her kidney.

Viewers will be able to vote for a candidate via SMS text message, but the final determination will be Lisa's, BNN said.

Though she intended to donate the kidney while still alive, she would be free to donate other organs after her death under the normal organ allotment system, said BNN spokeswoman Marieke Saly.

But there's no guarantee that Lisa's choice will actually receive the organ.

Plasterk said that as with any transplant, the tissues of the donor and the recipient must be compatible. "The doctors in this program can't make any concessions on that front," he said during a lively parliament debate.

There also was a chance that Lisa's organs might spread her cancer, he said.

"So it's very possible that in practical terms, we're not talking about anything here, because it's possible this transplant can't take place," he said.

Paul Beerkens, director of Kidney Association, welcomed the sudden attention to the problem of organ donations, but called on BNN to cancel the show now that it had gained publicity.

"There are about 1,500 people waiting on the list for more than four years, so something has to be done," Beerkens told AP Television News. "But let's be clear: This is not the way."

Dutch TV producers have tested the limits of public good taste before.

Two years ago, a private station showing a "Big Brother" series followed the pregnancy of one of the contestants, then aired the birth in a live broadcast. Though the mother hoped to win the €400,000 ($540,000) top prize, she quit before the end of the show.

Around the same time, BNN showed footage of their reporter snorting cocaine and then being interviewed about the experience in a talk-show format.

This sort of shit shouldn't be on television.
Dobbsworld
30-05-2007, 09:48
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/29/kidney.show.ap/index.html



This sort of shit shouldn't be on television.

If it sells advertising, then you're wrong - this is just the sort of shit marketing weasels want on television. Don't like it? Don't watch.
The Parkus Empire
30-05-2007, 09:50
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/29/kidney.show.ap/index.html



This sort of shit shouldn't be on television.

Um, there's already a thread on this...believe it or not, most (here) believe it should....
The Potato Factory
30-05-2007, 09:58
Um, there's already a thread on this...believe it or not, most (here) believe it should....

I believe it. People here are idiots.
The Parkus Empire
30-05-2007, 10:06
I believe it. People here are idiots.

No question about it. :) How on Earth can they whine like Farm-Boy-Mark-Hamil about evil "USian" capitalists, and then say this is fine. I mean, admit it. If you support this you are a fully-fledged capitalist, 100% pro-money. Don't lie.
Kyronea
30-05-2007, 10:24
I believe it. People here are idiots.
Yet you're the kind of person who does not think things through, as evidenced by the fact that if you see a building with minarets being built near some place you frequent, you will immediately lead an angry mob to get construction shut down rather than investigate to see who it is being built by and why.

So I'm not sure you are entirely qualified to state whether we are idiots or not. But then, I'm not either.
No question about it. :) How on Earth can they whine like Farm-Boy-Mark-Hamil about evil "USian" capitalists, and then say this is fine. I mean, admit it. If you support this you are a fully-fledged capitalist, 100% pro-money. Don't lie.

I support this because it helps get the word out on just how hard it is to obtain a donated organ when you need one, and besides, the people on this show have a much, MUCH higher chance of actually gaining an organ than they would through the normals methods.

Frankly, on a moral level I find it disgusting, and I wish the message it shows did not need to be shown, but it does, and as such I will support it.

Besides, it's free speech. No censoring allowed in my book.
The Parkus Empire
30-05-2007, 10:26
I support this because it helps get the word out on just how hard it is to obtain a donated organ when you need one, and besides, the people on this show have a much, MUCH higher chance of actually gaining an organ than they would through the normals methods.

Frankly, on a moral level I find it disgusting, and I wish the message it shows did not need to be shown, but it does, and as such I will support it.

Besides, it's free speech. No censoring allowed in my book.

Alright. So you support capitalism, because there is no-way this could happen under communism.
Kyronea
30-05-2007, 10:29
Alright. So you support capitalism, because there is no-way this could happen under communism.

...

Of course I support capitalism. Why wouldn't I? It has proven itself a system that works.

Now, I do support many restrictions and other elements of a mixed economy, as pure unfettered capitalism is as unfair to the people as communism ends up being, but that's beside the point.
The Parkus Empire
30-05-2007, 10:31
...

Of course I support capitalism. Why wouldn't I? It has proven itself a system that works.

Now, I do support many restrictions and other elements of a mixed economy, as pure unfettered capitalism is as unfair to the people as communism ends up being, but that's beside the point.

Sorry, I misjudged you. A lot of people who support this show, have stated that capitalism is "the worst thing that ever happened to the world".
Tagmatium
30-05-2007, 10:36
pure unfettered capitalism is as unfair to the people as communism ends up being, but that's beside the point.
That's bloody true.
New Tacoma
30-05-2007, 10:36
Censorship is allways wrong. I wouldnt watch this show but I also wouldnt want it to be censored because that is a a silppery slope to a dictator ship.




Censorship. :sniper:
Myu in the Middle
30-05-2007, 10:46
Censorship of the show is different to illegalising its production. If you have sufficient reason for it not to be produced then don't allow people to make it. If you don't then you've no reason not to let people watch it. Either way, as long as this is produced, it is right and fair that watching it should be permitted.
The_pantless_hero
30-05-2007, 12:02
How the fuck did you miss the topic on this? I know you have been on in the last few days.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528044
Big Jim P
30-05-2007, 12:22
You know, a remarkable feature is included with every single television set I've ever seen: An off button. If you don't like whats broadcast, don't watch it.
Kryozerkia
30-05-2007, 12:40
If it sells advertising, then you're wrong - this is just the sort of shit marketing weasels want on television. Don't like it? Don't watch.

Don't insult weasels! We're not that bad! I'd go with marketing vultures. :D
Philosopy
30-05-2007, 12:48
Um, there's already a thread on this...believe it or not, most (here) believe it should....

Actually, this is the third thread on the topic I've seen. The first is still on the front page under the title "Live organ donation TV show", so I'm not sure how it could have made its presence more clearly felt.