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Lets say they found a way to test to see if your child will be gay/lesbian. Would you take the test to see if your child is gay?

I actually would not take the test, because honestly, I don't care. I don't care if my child is gay, straight, or he likes both. All I really want for my child (if I ever do decide to have any) is to be happy, healthy and to lead a good life. I'll always love and care for my child no matter what.

Yeah, like i'm going to actually have kids. :rolleyes:

Nope. I wouldn't care because my child's sexual orientation is not something worthy of my concern because it doesn't affect their well being the same way that genetic disease would.

I wouldn't take the test.
Firstly because I don't care, secondly because I won't ever have children.

Yeah, like i'm going to actually have kids. :rolleyes:

I honestly have to agree on this one.

Nope. It wouldn't really make a difference to me, and I would want my kids to explore their sexualities own their own. It's tough, but it's part of life.

If you're young and saying you don't want children, I think you may find your attitude on this will change later in life.

would this be an "in the womb" test or something they could do later.

if it was something they could do later, I would leave it up to them, if it was an "in the womb" thing I wouldn't take the test because I don't like screwing with developing babies needlessly.

I wouldn't take it. Not because I don't care, just because I wouldn't want to think my knowledge of their sexuality would somehow impair their development.

I'd never have kids....their a noisy mess on legs...

but...I wouldn't do the test thing, just let my kids do whatever...

If you're young and saying you don't want children, I think you may find your attitude on this will change later in life.

I doubt it.

I doubt it.

Attitudes do change. For some maybe not, for some yes.

Sure I'd have them tested.

I'd abort all non-gay foetuses.

Lets say they found a way to test to see if your child will be gay/lesbian. Would you take the test to see if your child is gay?

The question itself is about on par with Would the child be lefthanded? (btw. decreases life expectancy :eek:) or would the child be a genius?...I, myself, would also add gender ie. would the child be a girl/boy? in there.

The real question is what would you do with the information if it was part of a routine checkup? What would the hospital, community, state and the mother's and/or father's indoctrinated religion recommend? Would one even get a choice?

I would let my kids be.

It is not my place to try to insert myself into their developing sexuality. All my kids would need and get is my love and support no matter their sexuality.

Parents have a tough enough job disciplining, loving and teaching kids how to be good adults. To me, their sexuality does not matter one iota as long as they are good kids and later on, good adults.

I would take the test because I am a curious person and I wouldn't be able to help it. (Some people might call it "nosy" but I maintain that I am simply inquisitive by nature.) Of course, it doesn't matter what the result is, I'd love my child no matter what.

Sure I'd have them tested.

I'd abort all non-gay foetuses.

Glorious.

I'd take the test so that I could properly raise the children and dispense with certain aspects of rearing, like imposing expectations of a certain kind. For instance, if I would have a heterosexual child, I'd know I wouldn't have to expend time teaching it how to grow a shell against homophobic/Christian/whatever attacks and have to provide sexual education that the heterosexual orthodoxy either denies or simply omits to furnish, while if I have a gay kid, I'd have to do all that.

It would be a sort of gauge of how much effort I'd have to expand in certain areas, and it would allow me to take better care of my gay child as it is more special and the experience bound to be more rewarding, while a heterosexual child can get so much through osmosis by the crushing heterosexism and -normativity of society that less would be required of me.

If you're young and saying you don't want children, I think you may find your attitude on this will change later in life.

Pfsh, the odds of wanting children and making it with a woman in remotely the same time period are practically nil for us lot.:p

I wouldn't have children, but if I did, then yes, I would. I would then try to find out what other people nearby are also having gay kids, and try to get the kids to become friends when they grow up. It would presumably be helpful for gay kids to grow up with at least some other gay kids as their peers.

Attitudes do change. For some maybe not, for some yes.

Eh I don't see any reason to have kids, true it'd be a chance to add another branch to the family tree, and I would pass my legacy on to them, but honestly, I just don't think I can put up with all the stuff that I put my parents through when I was a kid.

Plus...I want an airplane...and they are expensive...

It's a valid reason.

Of course I am having a pretty hard time finding a woman who doesn't want kids either.

Lets say they found a way to test to see if your child will be gay/lesbian. Would you take the test to see if your child is gay?

No, what point would there be in that? Being gay is not a birth defect or a mental disorder.

No. I'd probably only want to know the biological sex, and that's primarily for buying clothing and such.

No, what point would there be in that? Being gay is not a birth defect or a mental disorder.

It is, however, a disadvantage during the formative years and adolescence in a heteronormative society. Gay children require more care to be shielded against the deleterious effects of that. Unfortunately, most don't get that and have to suffer in imposed silence for far too long.

It is, however, a disadvantage during the formative years and adolescence in a heteronormative society. Gay children require more care to be shielded against the deleterious effects of that. Unfortunately, most don't get that and have to suffer in imposed silence for far too long.

I would have to agree with the very gay Fass here (you know I'm just kidding) if I did have a gay child, God knows it would go through it's own hardship just as I went through mine, and seeing how my child would be treated like crap would pretty much make me angry and want to kick some ass because well, let's face it, any good parents don't want their kids to have the same or similar trouble that they went through themselves.

HAHAA lol, a gay test lol, omg this is so funny, sorry if i hurt anyone there but comon, okay i dont like gay people, but a test? i would let my kid take it, if he was gay, well he better become straight or i will make him.

HAHAA lol, a gay test lol, omg this is so funny, sorry if i hurt anyone there but comon, okay i dont like gay people, but a test? i would let my kid take it, if he was gay, well he better become straight or i will make him.

Oh God...please...just shut up....shut up....shut up.

I'm going to let Fass take care of this one.

Oh God...please...just shut up....shut up....shut up.

I'm going to let Fass take care of this one.

Oh, it's too late in Europe to bother with the small fry. Look at his writing, he's probably barely 13. Leave the uneducated child to its own devices. Spilling crap like that, he'll get his ass kicked soon enough and that'll do him more good than any berating over the intertubes ever can.

HAHAA lol, a gay test lol, omg this is so funny, sorry if i hurt anyone there but comon, okay i dont like gay people, but a test? i would let my kid take it, if he was gay, well he better become straight or i will make him.

Yeah, I hope you wake up sterile :)

I'd read that there's a line of thought among some gay people - I don't know if it's a majority thought - that being gay due to genetic causes would be a disappointment to many gay people. The idea is that somehow it demeans being gay and many would rather it was a lifestyle choice than a genetic determinant.

I sort of agree in that if it was proved to be genetic then it devalues the argument about whether it's morally right or wrong somewhat. For it to be a lifestyle choice forces the question to those that believe it's evil.

To clarify a bit - most gay people would rather say 'I am free to be gay, accept that' than 'I am genetically determined to be gay'.

I'd read that there's a line of thought among some gay people - I don't know if it's a majority thought - that being gay due to genetic causes would be a disappointment to many gay people. The idea is that somehow it demeans being gay and many would rather it was a lifestyle choice than a genetic determinant.

I sort of agree in that if it was proved to be genetic then it devalues the argument about whether it's morally right or wrong somewhat. For it to be a lifestyle choice forces the question to those that believe it's evil.

To clarify a bit - most gay people would rather say 'I am free to be gay, accept that' than 'I am genetically determined to be gay'.

You don't know many gay people do you?

To clarify a bit - you're wrong.

Yeah, I hope you wake up sterile :)Seconded

To clarify a bit - most gay people would rather say 'I am free to be gay, accept that' than 'I am genetically determined to be gay'.

I think it's closer to the truth to say that most gay people would like a society where the "cause" of ones sexual orientation - be it homo, hetero or whatever - didn't matter to one's right to express it. "The cause" itself, in fact, seems much more important to straight people than it does to gay people, I've noticed. You'd think they'd try to answer what made them straight first before they tried figuring anyone else out, but straight people have this annoying penchant for pathologising other sexual orientations, and never putting their own under the loupe.

Yeah, I hope you wake up sterile :)

:) don't we all.

I think it's closer to the truth to say that most gay people would like a society where the "cause" of ones sexual orientation - be it homo, hetero or whatever - didn't matter to one's right to express it. "The cause" itself, in fact, seems much more important to straight people than it does to gay people, I've noticed. You'd think they'd try to answer what made them straight first before they tried figuring anyone else out, but straight people have this annoying penchant for pathologising other sexual orientations, but never putting their own under the loupe.

Right - the point was that religious people contend that it's a choice, and that therefore, by showing gay people the truth, the light and the way, that choice can be reversed. Regardless of whether it's genetic or not, gay people contend that, even if it is a choice, why is not a perfectly acceptable choice? To have it made a genetic determinant takes that argument away and moves it onto something else.

Lets say they found a way to test to see if your child will be gay/lesbian. Would you take the test to see if your child is gay?

I actually would not take the test, because honestly, I don't care. I don't care if my child is gay, straight, or he likes both. All I really want for my child (if I ever do decide to have any) is to be happy, healthy and to lead a good life. I'll always love and care for my child no matter what.

I DO care.
I would take the test.
I am not homosexual, niether is my wife. I would need to be more informed then just having a few homosexual friends. I care.
If given a chance to have a head start on knowing some of my childs needs I say yes.

Also ...I am going with son.

If my son is going to be homosexual, and i could know it first. I could avoid pressuring him in heterosexual ways...like "Got a girl friend?" so forth and so on.

Honestly when I was 13 my father looked across the dinner table at me and said "You eat you some pussy yet?"...the conversation gets more comical from there...but we were a close fun family he wasnt trying to be vulgar he was just clowning around.

Imagine the pressure I would have been under had I been a homosexual and my father was all smiles as watched the two women squirm at the table as him and I snickered about his bad taste...the older woman fighting a smile and the younger woman proclaiming that was nasty...while my father and I both respond "You havnt had anyone do it right then" ...

I would want to be able to look at my gay son and say "You suck a dick yet?" and have the minister or who ever squirm and when he proclaims how disgusting it is my boy can say "You havnt had anyone do it right then" because he is comfortable with himself...and he knows I am comfortable with him.

I want every tool I can get to better father...maybe a father with little class...but feck it. My kids smile.

Right - the point was that religious people contend that it's a choice, and that therefore, by showing gay people the truth, the light and the way, that choice can be reversed. Regardless of whether it's genetic or not, gay people contend that, even if it is a choice, why is not a perfectly acceptable choice? To have it made a genetic determinant takes that argument away and moves it onto something else.

The point being that I doubt any gay person would "prefer" it to be this "choice" - just that it didn't matter what it was, because even if it were a choice, that has no bearing on the validity of being homosexual, or heterosexual or whatever. From my anecdotal experience, which of course can never speak for anyone else, gay people tend either to think it's a combination of genetic predisposition and later environmental influence (be it intrauterine or not) or mostly genetic. I've met exceedingly few that would claim it's a choice, and even fewer that believe it's a choice. In fact, I've only met one such person and he was a pretty fucked up Christian who had very deep-rooted issues about his orientation.

In fact, I've only met one such person and he was a pretty fucked up Christian who had very deep-rooted issues about his orientation.

Self loathing?

Honestly when I was 13 my father looked across the dinner table at me and said "You eat you some pussy yet?"...the conversation gets more comical from there...but we were a close fun family he wasnt trying to be vulgar he was just clowning around.

It's still a bit creepy, but then again I was subject to a similar sort of banter from my father... not to mention the porn! Oh, the porn he thought I'd like! I wanted the Earth to open up and swallow me at times.

Imagine the pressure I would have been under had I been a homosexual and my father was all smiles

Meh, you learn to deal with it and either evade or lie directly to make the conversation end as soon as possible.

Self loathing?

Like you wouldn't believe - he had a wife and kids, but liked getting fucked on the side. Very unhealthy, but I was stupid and went along with it because I got me some. Once I wised up, I got the hell out of it as fast as I could.

The point being that I doubt any gay person would "prefer" it to be this "choice" - just that it didn't matter what it was, because even if it were a choice, that has no bearing on the validity of being homosexual, or heterosexual or whatever. From my anecdotal experience, which of course can never speak for anyone else, gay people tend either to think it's a combination of genetic predisposition and later environmental influence (be it intrauterine or not) or mostly genetic. I've met exceedingly few that would claim it's a choice, and even fewer that believe it's a choice. In fact, I've only met one such person and he was a pretty fucked up Christian who had very deep-rooted issues about his orientation.

Right - I think I must have misinterpreted the original quote - I'd guess the guy was saying it shouldn't really matter rather than express a wish for it to be a choice.

Like you wouldn't believe - he had a wife and kids, but liked getting fucked on the side. Very unhealthy, but I was stupid and went along with it because I got me some. Once I wised up, I got the hell out of it as fast as I could.

Meh, my dad wasnt being creepy, he just always related to me as an adult...he was very much a kid.

But you see my point, I wouldnt want my son to feel he has to get used to me not understanding...I would want to understand.

As for your friend...or whatever he was...thats bad.

Good for you for back away...I used to love to chase married women...I still insist they are the easiet to seduce.

All to common do Christian promote a sensibility that creates self hatred in homosexuals of our ranks. EVEN if it is a sin, it is no different ten any other at which they teach themselves is on every person...but instead only the homosexuals end up hating themselves, and then God.

Chronic liars are fine, gossips, two-facedness, luke warm christians, all these things are fine...but let someone be attracted to the reflection and they are somehow more a sinner then everyone else...pity.

I wont get into my religious opinion of it, but is a farce in my mind. I realize you Fass have o belief in God so the whole thing is inconsequential to you...but for those people who do...like your friend it is a huge reality.

I hope he figured out what he was doing...and either told his wife, had her join in(its possible), or left her.

You cant have peace with anything until you have peace with yourself.

I would have the test done, absolutly. I would like to know about this. NOt because I would abort, or not love the child if it was gay. Rather, if I knew about it in advance I could at least know about it, and anticipate whatever difficulties my child would encounter later in life because of it, and be prepared to help him/her overcome those difficulties.

Same as I would for a blind child, or a deaf one, or any other situation where something might cause that particular child to experience hardship.

So long as at least one gives me biological grandchildren, I don't give a damn what the rest of them do with their sexual orientation.

This test would cause problems for religious people who contend it's a choice then. If it's shown that genes are a prominent factor then do they need to change their position on genetic manipulation, or abortion?


Albert Mohler, the ninth president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, explores the prospect of genetic testing in an advice column for Christians. Mohler writes, "If a biological basis [for homosexuality] is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin.” Mohler concludes, “If such knowledge should ever be discovered, we should embrace it and use it for the greater good of humanity and for the greater glory of God.”

Link (http://www.docshop.com/education/fertility/news/revisiting-the-gay-gene-does-it-exist-can-it-be-reversed/)

Why would I waste my money on such a pointless endeavor?

I won't ever have children.I wont either ... but I took the test anyways.
just because someone posted this "The-Gay-Test" thread.

No, I wouldn't bother with such a test. When and if I ever have children, I plan to make it quite clear that I do not care in the least what gender(s) of people they prefer to date, and that anyone who makes them feel bad about such a thing is an idiot. Seeing as I'd be supporting them the same way whether they're gay, straight, bi, transsexual, or asexual, I would hardly need to know which of the above it will be before they do.

Lets say they found a way to test to see if your child will be gay/lesbian. Would you take the test to see if your child is gay?

I actually would not take the test, because honestly, I don't care. I don't care if my child is gay, straight, or he likes both. All I really want for my child (if I ever do decide to have any) is to be happy, healthy and to lead a good life. I'll always love and care for my child no matter what.

1) I don't see myself having kids
2) I'm serious about #1
3) No, for two reasons
a) I'd doubt it was 100% reliable or anywhere near it, so why bother?
b) I couldn't give two halves of a flying rat's ass.

I'd be concerned that by knowing, I would somehow treat them differently or not allow them to fully explore their sexuality. That could be unnecessarily damaging. Children need love and that's what should matter to the parents, not their sexuality.

Nope. Why would I?