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The recent Democratic Party surrender of their ideals on the Iraq war has lost them an important figure. "Crazy Cindy" Sheehan has decided (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_us/cindy_sheehan_4;_ylt=AuBbrPq1ikGz97vjS6H3WnIE1vAI)that she will no longer work for an ungrateful party who won't even lift a finger to keep a campaign promise.

FORT WORTH, Texas - Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized an anti-war movement with her monthlong protest outside
President Bush's ranch, said Tuesday she's done being the public face of the movement.

"I've been wondering why I'm killing myself and wondering why the Democrats caved in to
George Bush," Sheehan told The Associated Press while driving from her property in Crawford to the airport, where she planned to return to her native California.

"I'm going home for awhile to try and be normal," she said.

Good luck on that last part.

She did have one particularly stinging bit of truth in her statement, though. It is far too true that this country is populated by apathetics and that her son, Casey, did die "...for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives."

I think she was pretty close on this, although I don't know if I'd use the words "fascist corporate wasteland".

Sheehan criticized "blind party loyalty" as a danger, no matter which side it involved, and said the current two-party system is "corrupt" and "rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland."

I think she was pretty close on this, although I don't know if I'd use the words "fascist corporate wasteland".
I think she's just become as cynical as some of the rest of us. Maybe "imperial federal government" would be more accurate.

I think she's just become as cynical as some of the rest of us. Maybe "imperial federal government" would be more accurate.

Add in "corporate-sponsored" and you're right.

I don't blame her. I have little faith in people that are supposed to represent me.

Can't believe Myrmid and I agree on something.

Someone go check hell's thermometer.

Can't believe Myrmid and I agree on something.

Someone go check hell's thermometer.

There is a blue moon this month, ya know...

There is a blue moon this month, ya know...

I don't see it as odd, really: this is shit that is just unacceptable to any party that does not keep its promises, Republican or Democrat. Republicans "forget" gay marriage, Democrats cave like pussies.

I'm sad to be a Democrat now.

I don't see it as odd, really: this is shit that is just unacceptable to any party that does not keep its promises, Republican or Democrat. Republicans "forget" gay marriage, Democrats cave like pussies.

I'm sad to be a Democrat now.

Hai. Sadly.

Can't believe Myrmid and I agree on something.

Someone go check hell's thermometer.

EDIT: Oh, no. Wait. That says 750. Not 650. Nvm, same as always.

The recent Democratic Party surrender of their ideals on the Iraq war has lost them an important figure. "Crazy Cindy" Sheehan has decided (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_us/cindy_sheehan_4;_ylt=AuBbrPq1ikGz97vjS6H3WnIE1vAI)that she will no longer work for an ungrateful party who won't even lift a finger to keep a campaign promise.

Good luck on that last part.

She did have one particularly stinging bit of truth in her statement, though. It is far too true that this country is populated by apathetics and that her son, Casey, did die "...for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives."

She DOES seem to be pretty close, but what exactly did she expect is my question.

I don't see it as odd, really: this is shit that is just unacceptable to any party that does not keep its promises, Republican or Democrat. Republicans "forget" gay marriage, Democrats cave like pussies.

I'm sad to be a Democrat now.
I've been watching this crap for a lot longer than most of you and I still don't have any idea what should be done. I don't belong to any party, the only contributions I make are to my US Representative and his FairTax PAC.

It's not corporate sponsorship, alone, that's the problem, it's special interest sponsorship. Some corporate, some enviromental, some George Soros...

EDIT: Oh, no. Wait. That says 750. Not 650. Nvm, same as always.

What's worse is that Al Gore is agreeing (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070525/en_afp/uspoliticsgoremedia_070525210259) with me.

"What is it about our collective decision-making process that has led us to this
state of affairs where we spend much more time in the public forum talking
about -- or receiving information about --
Britney Spears shaving her head or
Paris Hilton going to jail?" Gore asked.

I've been watching this crap for a lot longer than most of you and I still don't have any idea what should be done. I don't belong to any party, the only contributions I make are to my US Representative and his FairTax PAC.

It's not corporate sponsorship, alone, that's the problem, it's special interest sponsorship. Some corporate, some enviromental, some George Soros...

Exactly, except you forgot the unions on your list. Special interests trump all. The voice of the individual is lost for the most part.

What's worse is that Al Gore is agreeing (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070525/en_afp/uspoliticsgoremedia_070525210259) with me.

Nope, still 750.

And what's even worse: I agree with the lot of you.

Exactly, except you forgot the unions on your list. Special interests trump all. The voice of the individual is lost for the most part.
Hey, it's a pseudo-Monday.

Yay, we're rid of her.

She finally woke up and realized the Democrats were just using her like a dildo.

I guess she's too sore to walk, and has to be carted home.

She finally woke up and realized the Democrats were just using her like a dildo.

I guess she's too sore to walk, and has to be carted home.

She's too sore to walk from being used like a dildo? whaaaaaaaaa?


Anyway, I thought she gave up a long time ago. I haven't heard about her in a long ass time.

I think everyone stopped paying attention to her. She is right that most US Americans don't give a shit about the bloodshed going on outside their borders and really aren't going to strain themselves to try to make a political change if it means any sort of discomfort.

She's too sore to walk from being used like a dildo? whaaaaaaaaa?

Anyway, I thought she gave up a long time ago. I haven't heard about her in a long ass time.

I think everyone stopped paying attention to her. She is right that most US Americans don't give a shit about the bloodshed going on outside their borders and really aren't going to strain themselves to try to make a political change if it means any sort of discomfort.

Apparently, the Democratic Party tired of her. After using her to generate anti-war publicity, and paying for her camping trip, they started to diss her just like the Republicans were doing.

I guess they figured she wasn't worth any more PR value, so they dumped her.

Says a lot about the Democratic Party, really. Looks like the only reason they opposed the war during the election, was to get votes. After that, they never really intended to bring the war to a halt at all.

The proof is in their "capitulation".

Apparently, the Democratic Party tired of her. After using her to generate anti-war publicity, and paying for her camping trip, they started to diss her just like the Republicans were doing.

I guess they figured she wasn't worth any more PR value, so they dumped her.

Says a lot about the Democratic Party, really. Looks like the only reason they opposed the war during the election, was to get votes. After that, they never really intended to bring the war to a halt at all.

The proof is in their "capitulation".


Still trying to get those talking points out? *bored*

She's too sore to walk from being used like a dildo? whaaaaaaaaa?


Anyway, I thought she gave up a long time ago. I haven't heard about her in a long ass time.

I think everyone stopped paying attention to her. She is right that most US Americans don't give a shit about the bloodshed going on outside their borders and really aren't going to strain themselves to try to make a political change if it means any sort of discomfort.

Right wingers stopped jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth about her. Honestly, the only time I ever heard about her was when some right winger was wailing and nashing their teeth about her. Hell, even this comes from a right winger.

I guess everyone needs their boogeyman...

Still trying to get those talking points out? *bored*

Sorry, it's not a talking point. Sorry that the actual truth bothers you.

Still trying to get those talking points out? *bored*

Better yet, read her letter. It wasn't a talking point written by Rove, or written by Fox News.

It was written by Cindy Sheehan. Still trying to wish her away?

Right wingers stopped jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth about her. Honestly, the only time I ever heard about her was when some right winger was wailing and nashing their teeth about her. Hell, even this comes from a right winger.

I guess everyone needs their boogeyman...

Ya know? I noticed that too. Also, I'm not sure I ever saw a Democrat bring Cindy Sheehans name up once (though I tend to ignore what most politicians say or do unless it's important and how often does that happen?), let alone see her used by the whole of the Democratic party as someone who is fighting for their cause.

Ya know? I noticed that too. Also, I'm not sure I every saw a Democrat bring Cindy Sheehans name up once (though I tend to ignore what most politicians say or do unless it's important and how often does that happen?), let alone see her used by the whole of the Democratic party as someone who is fighting for their cause.

So, you're going to feign ignorance of who financed her campaign, who organized it, who did the PR groundwork...

That whole obstruction thing in New York, the State of the Union bullshit and then her little trip to Cuba, glorifying the wonderful system Castro has installed there, then promptly refusing to meet with advocates for jailed dissidents cemented her status as a closed-minded left-wing apparatchik. Yes, she suffered greatly, and to be used and tossed to the curb by the Democratic Party is rough, but she stopped being relevant a long time ago, and descended into "WTFism" shortly thereafter.

Ya know? I noticed that too. Also, I'm not sure I ever saw a Democrat bring Cindy Sheehans name up once (though I tend to ignore what most politicians say or do unless it's important and how often does that happen?), let alone see her used by the whole of the Democratic party as someone who is fighting for their cause.

Remember that whole State of the Union dealy-o, when she was invited by a Democrat congressman, and then removed for wearing a shirt that violated Congressional dress codes? No, the Democrats used Sheehan until they no longer needed her, then they abandoned her.

Sorry, it's not a talking point. Sorry that the actual truth bothers you.

Better yet, read her letter. It wasn't a talking point written by Rove, or written by Fox News.

It was written by Cindy Sheehan. Still trying to wish her away?


When a talking point echos another talking point, that doesn't make it any less of a talking point. It looks like Cindy just fell into the same trap you fell into. I never said Cindy SHeehan wasn't weak minded and unable to fall for bullshit. I never said that about you either.

I for one haven't made a judgement call about what the future holds because I dont pretend to know. I also don't pretend to know what any of the politicians on either side are actually thinking when they do the stupid shit they do unless it looks obvious, like when the leaders of our country give all no-bid contracts to their pet corporations. Then, with things like that, I think I can make a pretty accurate judgment call on what is truely going on.

That whole obstruction thing in New York, the State of the Union bullshit and then her little trip to Cuba, glorifying the wonderful system Castro has installed there, then promptly refusing to meet with advocates for jailed dissidents cemented her status as a closed-minded left-wing apparatchik. Yes, she suffered greatly, and to be used and tossed to the curb by the Democratic Party is rough, but she stopped being relevant a long time ago, and descended into "WTFism" shortly thereafter.

What's up with the new insult being a lack of "relevance"? Bush started a snowball and it's out of control.

So, you're going to feign ignorance of who financed her campaign, who organized it, who did the PR groundwork...

I'm not feigning anything. I never payed attention to her. Give me the facts since you so obviously find her and what she is doing to be so important and I'll check it out. Where are the financing records.

What's up with the new insult being a lack of "relevance"? Bush started a snowball and it's out of control.

Sheehan stopped being relevant because she became too shrill and cliché to actually have a positive impact on the debate. She lost relevance because, while her argument that the war was a royal clusterfuck was relevant, her actions removed her from relevance.

She seemed to spurn the rules of civil debate in how she acted, and general unspoken rules of American debate. Far more articulate and respectable people took up a position similar to her without the public relations gaffes she seemed so prone to.

That's why she became irrelevant.

Poor girl :(

It is far too true that this country is populated by apathetics and that her son, Casey, did die "...for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives."
I've been saying that for years.
People care more about their ****ing reality TV then their nation.

I can imagine:

First they came for the Muslims...
And I didn't notice because Lost was on.

Next they came for the gays...
And I didn't notice because I was watching Trading Spaces...

Then they came for the Liberals...
And I didn't notice because American Idol was showing.

Then they came for ME...
And no one noticed, because they were watching TV.

I've been saying that for years.
People care more about their ****ing reality TV then their nation.

I can imagine:

First they came for the Muslims...
And I didn't notice because Lost was on.

Next they came for the gays...
And I didn't notice because I was watching Trading Spaces...

Then they came for the Liberals...
And I didn't notice because American Idol was showing.

Then they came for ME...
And no one noticed, because they were watching TV.


Can I quote that? It's genius

Can I quote that? It's genius
Go right ahead!

Sheehan stopped being relevant because she became too shrill and cliché to actually have a positive impact on the debate. She lost relevance because, while her argument that the war was a royal clusterfuck was relevant, her actions removed her from relevance.

She seemed to spurn the rules of civil debate in how she acted, and general unspoken rules of American debate. Far more articulate and respectable people took up a position similar to her without the public relations gaffes she seemed so prone to.

That's why she became irrelevant.

Well, nobody is arguably "irrelevant", considering that they're voting, taxpaying citizens. Even if they're not - their public opinion affects the country.

Calling someone irrelevant is moreso an attempt to make the statement true than it is an observation of fact.

She seemed to spurn the rules of civil debate in how she acted, and general unspoken rules of American debate.

yeah, look at how wonderfully 'civil debate' has worked to end the ongoing crimes against humanity. oh, wait....

Right wingers stopped jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth about her. Honestly, the only time I ever heard about her was when some right winger was wailing and nashing their teeth about her. Hell, even this comes from a right winger.

I guess everyone needs their boogeyman...

Don't forget, the right-wing "supports" the families of slain service-members by calling them "crazy" when they don't agree with them that their child should have died for their cause.

yeah, look at how wonderfully 'civil debate' has worked to end the ongoing crimes against humanity. oh, wait....

It's a slow process, I'm sorry, but her method is totally ineffectual. It just raises eyebrows. Now there is a significant constituency for ending the war, and that's because of people like Murtha and Obama, not Sheehan.

My heart does go out to this woman in the regard that she lost her son and it feels like it was for no reason.

I also feel sorry that she was manipulated and used by special interests.

I think many people,if put in the same circumstances, would follow the same path she did. I dont hold that against her. She lost one of the most important parts of her life and had people schmoozing her,paying her way,supporting various things used a poor,grieving mother to put her face on the cause.

I hope she'll be able to make peace with herself and cope with her son's sacrafice. I wish her well.

What's worse is that Al Gore is agreeing (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070525/en_afp/uspoliticsgoremedia_070525210259) with me.

It seems that my work on genetically splicing aerial pigs has infact succeeding. This is a great day in bio-engineering, and humanity as a whole. As a side affect, we will see a massive boost to the economy, specifically in the car wash industry. Where's my Nobel Prize?

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Can't believe Myrmid and I agree on something.

Someone go check hell's thermometer.

yep It's frozen...

http://stonegiant.com/Politics/frozen_hell.jpg

Better yet, read her letter. It wasn't a talking point written by Rove, or written by Fox News.

It was written by Cindy Sheehan. Still trying to wish her away?

I read it just shortly after it was posted on Daily Kos. Fact of the matter is that she's always been too tin-hat leftist for my taste, and a lot of the tin-hat leftists are going bananas over this. They'll calm down soon enough. Progressives will continue to hold office, our Presidential field makes the Republican field look like the joke that the Republican party is, and it will all blow over. All we're short of is someone who went out of her way to antagonize everyone.


And I agree with Myrm et. al. on the issue of America, Idle. :p

I think she was pretty close on this, although I don't know if I'd use the words "fascist corporate wasteland".

I have to agree with that quote.

May God's peace be upon her as she tries to return to normal life.

*bets $5 she can not do so*

Apparently, the Democratic Party tired of her. After using her to generate anti-war publicity, and paying for her camping trip, they started to diss her just like the Republicans were doing.

I guess they figured she wasn't worth any more PR value, so they dumped her.

Says a lot about the Democratic Party, really. Looks like the only reason they opposed the war during the election, was to get votes. After that, they never really intended to bring the war to a halt at all.

The proof is in their "capitulation".

Umm yea...they are still trying to end the war!