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Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

Best work on your alibi. They'll find your wallet anyway, and if you avoid it or get caught lying, you'll look guilty. Do you want to be the scapegoat? No. So do the right thing, and be honest.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

Was the damage done deliberatly?

Was the shuttle being driven by a hired driver?

your wallet only places you in the vehicle... not necessarily when the accident occured (tho you just told us you were in the vehicle.) so I would suggest... go and pick up your wallet. do not offer any information unless the cops ask you.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

if you're legal just say you were insensible. there's nothing they can say to that.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

For God sake if your innocent what are you afraid of?

Clearly the same vandals who damaged the bus also stole your wallet - you were too afraid of being beaten up by them to report it to the police - you weren't even on the bus guv'nor

Just file a stolen property report. List your wallet as being stolen. Then ask them if they have found it. Problem solved.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.


It's pretty simple etiquette in situations like this: Don't lie, but don't volunteer information. If they ask what you know, tell them. If not, don't. :)

Clearly the same vandals who damaged the bus also stole your wallet - you were too afraid of being beaten up by them to report it to the police - you weren't even on the bus guv'nor

That's the ticket! :D

As a friend once said; snitches get stiches.

That's the ticket! :D

Except you'll be done for obstruction of justice :)

If you really don't want to say who did it, you can say you were drunk enough to fall asleep on the bus - hence the lost wallet. If they ask why you didn't file a lost property report, you can say that you considered it completely lost and thank God they found it.

School was a pit for these situations.

So you know who damaged someone else's property (vandalism), and yet you don't want to be a 'snitch'. However, they now can place you at the scene of the crime so now of course they are going to ask you. Personally I would be as honest as possible and also request that you remain anonymous.

What is it with people and the fear of being honest about something, jeez alot of people need to man up here.

So you know who damaged someone else's property (vandalism), and yet you don't want to be a 'snitch'. However, they now can place you at the scene of the crime so now of course they are going to ask you. Personally I would be as honest as possible and also request that you remain anonymous.

What is it with people and the fear of being honest about something, jeez alot of people need to man up here.

loyalty/honesty = dick

i get the feeling from the OP that the perpetrators are people who the OP feel some loyalty to. if they are worthy if it then they deserve it, if they are not then the OP needs to figure out some playground morality here.

loyalty/honesty = dick

i get the feeling from the OP that the perpetrators are people who the OP feel some loyalty to. if they are worthy if it then they deserve it, if they are not then the OP needs to figure out some playground morality here.

"Loyalty" means dick when people vandalized another man's property. How would the OP like it if that was his shuttles and as a result the shuttles are taken out of service to be repaired. Less shuttles on the road = less money coming into the business.

"Loyalty" means dick when people vandalized another man's property. How would the OP like it if that was his shuttles and as a result the shuttles are taken out of service to be repaired. Less shuttles on the road = less money coming into the business.

i can't speak for the OP but if i was running a shuttle business and taking contracts for teenage parties i would cost damage into the $100 dollars range for insurance. anything less is stupidity on behalf of the shuttle operator. in this instance operators have responsibility for the actions of their proprietors because they took the contract.

i can't speak for the OP but if i was running a shuttle business and taking contracts for teenage parties i would cost damage into the $100 dollars range for insurance. anything less is stupidity on behalf of the shuttle operator. in this instance operators have responsibility for the actions of their proprietors because they took the contract.

At junior school, our headmaster was an old British military man and his doctrine was that if you snitched, you got the same punishment as the person you snitched on, which was generally a good caning.

There's levels at which it's ok to snitch, 'some damage' to a shuttle bus is not one of them.

It can be easy for a parent to say 'be honest' but a kid has different pressures.

At junior school, our headmaster was an old British military man and his doctrine was that if you snitched, you got the same punishment as the person you snitched on, which was generally a good caning.

There's levels at which it's ok to snitch, 'some damage' to a shuttle bus is not one of them.

It can be easy for a parent to say 'be honest' but a kid has different pressures.

exactly. loyalty to your compatriots should be above normal morality. the only excuse to break that loyalty is if you disagree with the reason for being compatriots or if you have a fundamental difference in morality with them.

if your morality is always more i tune with whoever calls the shots rather than what you originally thought was right then you need help.

At junior school, our headmaster was an old British military man and his doctrine was that if you snitched, you got the same punishment as the person you snitched on, which was generally a good caning.

There's levels at which it's ok to snitch, 'some damage' to a shuttle bus is not one of them.

It can be easy for a parent to say 'be honest' but a kid has different pressures.

This is the biggest load of Bull I've heard of since I left the farm. If you destroy or vandalized someone else's property, then you should pay retribution for the damage that you caused. I'm putting myself in the shoes of the operator of those shuttle buses, and I know if I was the operator, I would like to know who did it so I can take them to court to get retribution. "Loyalty" is fine and dandy, but when one of your 'friends' does something wrong, then you need to call them on it.

Why would you want to allow the destruction of private property? Some dude spray paints the hood of your car cause he's having a good time... you'd have to pay for his decision to screw you over.

That's just not the way these things work. Friend or not. If he's gonna be a jagoff, treat him like one.

This is the biggest load of Bull I've heard of since I left the farm. If you destroy or vandalized someone else's property, then you should pay retribution for the damage that you caused. I'm putting myself in the shoes of the operator of those shuttle buses, and I know if I was the operator, I would like to know who did it so I can take them to court to get retribution. "Loyalty" is fine and dandy, but when one of your 'friends' does something wrong, then you need to call them on it.

apparently 'friend' means nothing to you while 'retribution' means everything. i'm glad i'm not you.

This is the biggest load of Bull I've heard of since I left the farm. If you destroy or vandalized someone else's property, then you should pay retribution for the damage that you caused. I'm putting myself in the shoes of the operator of those shuttle buses, and I know if I was the operator, I would like to know who did it so I can take them to court to get retribution. "Loyalty" is fine and dandy, but when one of your 'friends' does something wrong, then you need to call them on it.

You're not invited to any of my parties then - and I think you're a hypocrite as well - are you really telling none of your friends have ever done anything wrong or that, if they have, you've called them on it every time?

No one's ever gone above the speed limit? No one's ever jaywalked? Were you never at school?

At what level are you interrupting in your 'friends' lives Monsieur Parfait?

Why would you want to allow the destruction of private property? Some dude spray paints the hood of your car cause he's having a good time... you'd have to pay for his decision to screw you over.

That's just not the way these things work. Friend or not. If he's gonna be a jagoff, treat him like one.

Thank you! Thank you very much!

apparently 'friend' means nothing to you while 'retribution' means everything. i'm glad i'm not you.

Apparently my friends never violates other people private property nor do they violate their rights. I just don't hang around with jerks who think it's fun to vandalized so I never had the problem of being loyal because when you surround yourself with people who are more intelligence than your average frat boy, eh the situation just doesn't come up.

Why would you want to allow the destruction of private property? Some dude spray paints the hood of your car cause he's having a good time... you'd have to pay for his decision to screw you over.

That's just not the way these things work. Friend or not. If he's gonna be a jagoff, treat him like one.

Yes, let's live in 1984.

Shit happens.

Be human.

You're not invited to any of my parties then - and I think you're a hypocrite as well - are you really telling none of your friends have ever done anything wrong or that, if they have, you've called them on it every time?

No one's ever gone above the speed limit? No one's ever jaywalked? Were you never at school?

At what level are you interrupting in your 'friends' lives Monsieur Parfait?

It's simple really, my friends aren't Frat boys idiots who think vandalizing other people's property is 'cool' and 'awesome' and when you surround yourself with people like the people I am friend with, well you never really have the problem of morality/loyalty conflicting.

Yes, let's live in 1984.

Shit happens.

Be human.

No, an accidental rear ending is 'shit happens', vandalizing private property or any kind of property because you're drunker than Barney Gumbel and you thought that it would be 'cool' and 'awesome' doesn't fall under 'shit happens.'

It's simple really, my friends aren't Frat boys idiots who think vandalizing other people's property is 'cool' and 'awesome' and when you surround yourself with people like the people I am friend with, well you never really have the problem of morality/loyalty conflicting.

Drunk people do stupid things - if you have a problems with 'Frat boys', that's one thing but holding people up to standards you probably don't always follow yourself is another.

To err is human, to forgive is divine

Apparently my friends never violates other people private property nor do they violate their rights. I just don't hang around with jerks who think it's fun to vandalized so I never had the problem of being loyal because when you surround yourself with people who are more intelligence than your average frat boy, eh the situation just doesn't come up.

again i am glad i don't live in 'the land of the free'. gesetz macht frei sorry to any germans, just the precedent fit in my mind. call godwin if you like.

Drunk people do stupid things - if you have a problems with 'Frat boys', that's one thing but holding people up to standards you probably don't always follow yourself is another.

To err is human, to forgive is divine

I do stupid things to, and you know what, I be a man about it and face up to the consequences of my action, just because you were drunk and at a party doesn't really excuse you from the consequences. If it does, then why the hell do we have DUI/DWIs? The same thing with forgiveness, sure you can forgive someone, but that doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of their action.

again i am glad i don't live in 'the land of the free'. gesetz macht frei sorry to any germans, just the precedent fit in my mind. call godwin if you like.

So you really don't care about the person who probably owns the shuttle, and who probably has to pay at least a little bit of his own money to get it repaired?

No, an accidental rear ending is 'shit happens', vandalizing private property or any kind of property because you're drunker than Barney Gumbel and you thought that it would be 'cool' and 'awesome' doesn't fall under 'shit happens.'

if the shuttle company did not expect drunkeness at afterhours time and did not allow for it that is their problem. that's a taste of the responsibility people yarn about. it's not just for private citizens. tastes nice eh?

So you really don't care about the person who probably owns the shuttle, and who probably has to pay at least a little bit of his own money to get it repaired?

no, they took the contract. deal with it.

if the shuttle company did not expect drunkeness at afterhours time and did not allow for it that is their problem. that's a taste of the responsibility people yarn about. it's not just for private citizens. tastes nice eh?

Oh I'm sure the shuttle company expected things like this to happen, but it still does not let the Vandals off the hook. Honestly if it was me, I would have those vandals not only reimbursed me for the damage that they caused to MY property, which I probably paid out of MY money, but I would also have them clean MY shuttles just so they can see the hard work that I put into the company.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

Most certainly tell the cops.

no, they took the contract. deal with it.

Well tell you what, I'm going to go to a bar, get drunk, and then I'll ask you for a ride, you'll give me the ride, and after you drop me off, I will get a baseball bat and just hit your car all over, spray paint all over it, TP it, and for a good measure, urinate in the driver seat and poop in the passenger seat. Now obviously you have insurance that would cover this, I mean it's just the responsible thing to do, but would that excuse me for my behavior?

I do stupid things to, and you know what, I be a man about it and face up to the consequences of my action, just because you were drunk and at a party doesn't really excuse you from the consequences. If it does, then why the hell do we have DUI/DWIs? The same thing with forgiveness, sure you can forgive someone, but that doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of their action.

I don't think you've been at school recently - I guess on some level you can live with yourself by being known as the snitch but it's not a pleasant situation if you're at school. There's other 'consequences' to think about.

There's a line between protecting yourself over a trivial affair and being honest about a bad act - I don't really think this one crosses it although it would be for the OP to say how bad the damage was, how likely he would be to get in trouble with the police and whether it's worth it - that's his decision to make.

To say that we should all be honest all the time is denying reality and denying a little humanity

Oh I'm sure the shuttle company expected things like this to happen, but it still does not let the Vandals off the hook. Honestly if it was me, I would have those vandals not only reimbursed me for the damage that they caused to MY property, which I probably paid out of MY money, but I would also have them clean MY shuttles just so they can see the hard work that I put into the company.

what part of 'accept the contract, take the concequences' do you not understand? it might be your property but you put your property on the line by taking the contract, it might be your money, but that is your capitalism that insists that you are able to deal with the shit you contracts thow you. they are your shuttles but you enroled your shuttle in this contract. capitalists face your enemy. people have human rights too, one of the is not to self incriminate. nice to see people able to act on that .

I don't think you've been at school recently - I guess on some level you can live with yourself by being known as the snitch but it's not a pleasant situation if you're at school. There's other 'consequences' to think about.

There's a line between protecting yourself over a trivial affair and being honest about a bad act - I don't really think this one crosses it although it would be for the OP to say how bad the damage was, how likely he would be to get in trouble with the police and whether it's worth it - that's his decision to make.

To say that we should all be honest all the time is denying reality and denying a little humanity

Well 1. The OP took no part in vandilism so it doesn't matter, and 2. They came from a party, so good luck with finding out who 'ratted' them out when there was probably at least 20 other people at the party. Hell if it was more than one person they'd probably spend the rest of their High School careers trying to see which one of them ratted them out. The police are not going to say "Ok, this is who ratted you guys out" I mean comon, that would violate anonymity of the witness. Yes, witness can request to remain anonymous.

Well tell you what, I'm going to go to a bar, get drunk, and then I'll ask you for a ride, you'll give me the ride, and after you drop me off, I will get a baseball bat and just hit your car all over, spray paint all over it, TP it, and for a good measure, urinate in the driver seat and poop in the passenger seat. Now obviously you have insurance that would cover this, I mean it's just the responsible thing to do, but would that excuse me for my behavior?

that wasn't part of the deal. a contractor should budget for that part. because contractors are in business. business is tough. sometimes the tough comes from (OMGWTFBBQBACON) the customers. imagine that. all over your face. nice uh?

Well tell you what, I'm going to go to a bar, get drunk, and then I'll ask you for a ride, you'll give me the ride, and after you drop me off, I will get a baseball bat and just hit your car all over, spray paint all over it, TP it, and for a good measure, urinate in the driver seat and poop in the passenger seat. Now obviously you have insurance that would cover this, I mean it's just the responsible thing to do, but would that excuse me for my behavior?

The issue is not whether the damage was wrong - it sure was - the issue is whether it's worth telling the police about it. He doesn't have to and the consequences of doing so may be worse than not.

The point about friends is that we all let our friends off minor things - hell, I'd have trouble deciding to tell the police if my brother had committed murder, I'd probably do it but I'd sure have trouble.

To just blanket say 'shuttle damaged, tell police' is cold.

what part of 'accept the contract, take the concequences' do you not understand? it might be your property but you put your property on the line by taking the contract, it might be your money, but that is your capitalism that insists that you are able to deal with the shit you contracts thow you. they are your shuttles but you enroled your shuttle in this contract. capitalists face your enemy. people have human rights too, one of the is not to self incriminate. nice to see people able to act on that .

Ok, first off, the OP said that he didn't do it, but knows who did, so Self Incrimination doesn't even fall into this situation, so I would really advise you to go back to Political Science class and well, pay better attention.

that wasn't part of the deal. a contractor should budget for that part. because contractors are in business. business is tough. sometimes the tough comes from (OMGWTFBBQBACON) the customers. imagine that. all over your face. nice uh?

Oh comon IR, I was drunk, you know, drunk do stupid things, I was just acting stupid, and of course it's part of the deal if you pick up a drunk friend, so comon tell me how would you feel.

Well 1. The OP took no part in vandilism so it doesn't matter, and 2. They came from a party, so good luck with finding out who 'ratted' them out when there was probably at least 20 other people at the party. Hell if it was more than one person they'd probably spend the rest of their High School careers trying to see which one of them ratted them out. The police are not going to say "Ok, this is who ratted you guys out" I mean comon, that would violate anonymity of the witness. Yes, witness can request to remain anonymous.

Again, you haven't been to school in a long time.

1. His wallet was on the shuttle bus so it's not just a case of knowing who was at the party, it's knowing who was on the bus.
2. The vandal could probably discount his actual friends.
3. Kids have a third eye for this stuff.

The issue is not whether the damage was wrong - it sure was - the issue is whether it's worth telling the police about it. He doesn't have to and the consequences of doing so may be worse than not.

The point about friends is that we all let our friends off minor things - hell, I'd have trouble deciding to tell the police if my brother had committed murder, I'd probably do it but I'd sure have trouble.

To just blanket say 'shuttle damaged, tell police' is cold.

'Minor'? You consider vandalism of what may be private property to be 'minor'? Well hells bell, just tell me what you consider 'major'? Accidentally taking a pack of gum and not paying for it, accidentally letting a secret slip, or gossiping, that is 'minor' stuff. Vandalism is not 'minor'.

Oh comon IR, I was drunk, you know, drunk do stupid things, I was just acting stupid, and of course it's part of the deal if you pick up a drunk friend, so comon tell me how would you feel.

But your example is not even close to the OP - of course anyone would be upset, especially since the amount of things you're doing violates the friendship.

Good drunk friends do all sorts of crap to each other, because they're friends not despite it.

Sometimes it can get out of hand, you then consider whether they're really your friend

'Minor'? You consider vandalism of what may be private property to be 'minor'? Well hells bell, just tell me what you consider 'major'? Accidentally taking a pack of gum and not paying for it, accidentally letting a secret slip, or gossiping, that is 'minor' stuff. Vandalism is not 'minor'.

Oh really - do you have some insight into what they did that we don't?

Again, you haven't been to school in a long time.

1. His wallet was on the shuttle bus so it's not just a case of knowing who was at the party, it's knowing who was on the bus.
2. The vandal could probably discount his actual friends.
3. Kids have a third eye for this stuff.

1. So, doesn't exactly mean that they're going to automatically know it's him, and I'm sure the police are going to ask the other kids as well, so everyone who was at the party and on the bus are suspect. The odds that these idiots will figure out it's him are nill.

2. Ehh don't be so sure, if the cops offer one of the friends who partaken in the vandalism a deal (reduced sentences or none) then he will probably rat out the other accomplices. I have an Uncle who used to be Chief of Police, I know how this work.

3. Total and utter bullshit.

But your example is not even close to the OP - of course anyone would be upset, especially since the amount of things you're doing violates the friendship.

Good drunk friends do all sorts of crap to each other, because they're friends not despite it.

Sometimes it can get out of hand, you then consider whether they're really your friend

So, the people who violated the shuttle's operator property, are they really friends or even worthy of protection if they are going to have disregard for someone else's property?

Oh really - do you have some insight into what they did that we don't?

No, but if the police are involved, I doubt it's just 'minor'. Police around here don't usually bother with TPing or shaving cream stunts, or even minor spray painting.

1. So, doesn't exactly mean that they're going to automatically know it's him, and I'm sure the police are going to ask the other kids as well, so everyone who was at the party and on the bus are suspect. The odds that these idiots will figure out it's him are nill.

2. Ehh don't be so sure, if the cops offer one of the friends who partaken in the vandalism a deal (reduced sentences or none) then he will probably rat out the other accomplices. I have an Uncle who used to be Chief of Police, I know how this work.

3. Total and utter bullshit.

My experience is that people know exactly who ratted on them.

I have to pop out for an hour or so, I can't continue this for the moment.

Ok, first off, the OP said that he didn't do it, but knows who did, so Self Incrimination doesn't even fall into this situation, so I would really advise you to go back to Political Science class and well, pay better attention.

Oh comon IR, I was drunk, you know, drunk do stupid things, I was just acting stupid, and of course it's part of the deal if you pick up a drunk friend, so comon tell me how would you feel.

to your first: the police are not trustworthy, that is a primary rule of life. if you've not learned it now i hope you learn it soon.

to your second: i would shrug it off and maybe get the person to help clean up. maximum. most likely i would clean up myself as a consequence of driving a drunk idiot home. it's happened countless times before, it will happen again. hell, i even had to restor my mum's 'antique' sofa cuz my friend barfed on it. took me 4 days to get it smelling right. i didn't call the poliss once.

My experience is that people know exactly who ratted on them.

I have to pop out for an hour or so, I can't continue this for the moment.

Yea, hahahahaha, yea, I doubt that for a minute, nice try but your 'third eye' is merely painted on. Like I said, Police aren't going to tell the suspect who ratted them out or reveal their sources, they're not stupid.

to your first: the police are not trustworthy, that is a primary rule of life. if you've not learned it now i hope you learn it soon.

How did you work the police aren't trustworthy into that if the OP told who did it, it wouldn't be self incrimination? Personally I don't trust the police to protect me, I don't expect them to be there for me when I need them at the moment, thats why I have two guns at home and carry around a CCW along with my handgun. However, police do know how to investigate a crime and they do know how to protect their witnesses and themselves.

to your second: i would shrug it off and maybe get the person to help clean up. maximum. most likely i would clean up myself as a consequence of driving a drunk idiot home. it's happened countless times before, it will happen again. hell, i even had to restor my mum's 'antique' sofa cuz my friend barfed on it. took me 4 days to get it smelling right. i didn't call the poliss once.

Well that's you and that's your property you can do whatever you want with it. If you like it that 'friends' deface your property, then more power to you, but the shuttle operator is trying to run a business, and the vandalism will take that shuttle out of service until it's repaired, and that cost the operator money, money that he probably could've used. Personally if a friend defaced my property I'd kick him out of the door in 5 minutes and forget him forever in the next 10.

'Minor'? You consider vandalism of what may be private property to be 'minor'? Well hells bell, just tell me what you consider 'major'? Accidentally taking a pack of gum and not paying for it, accidentally letting a secret slip, or gossiping, that is 'minor' stuff. Vandalism is not 'minor'.

yes, vandalism (defacement and detrimental defromation of property) is very minor. in fact i'm struggling to think of a more minor crime. perhaps littering, .... i'm really thinking. knocking off a polisses hat. that's all i got. .... really ...


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no, nothing.

How did you work the police aren't trustworthy into that if the OP told who did it, it wouldn't be self incrimination? Personally I don't trust the police to protect me, I don't expect them to be there for me when I need them at the moment, thats why I have two guns at home and carry around a CCW along with my handgun. However, police do know how to investigate a crime and they do know how to protect their witnesses and themselves.



Well that's you and that's your property you can do whatever you want with it. If you like it that 'friends' deface your property, then more power to you, but the shuttle operator is trying to run a business, and the vandalism will take that shuttle out of service until it's repaired, and that cost the operator money, money that he probably could've used. Personally if a friend defaced my property I'd kick him out of the door in 5 minutes and forget him forever in the next 10.

doesn't matter who did it. accessory is up to the police. as for the rest, you've conveniently ignored my description of how contracts work so i'm going to have to ignore you til you come up with something convincing. i will check this thread out when i wake up i expect. if i remember. bump at ~1430BST if you care.

doesn't matter who did it. accessory is up to the police. as for the rest, you've conveniently ignored my description of how contracts work so i'm going to have to ignore you til you come up with something convincing. i will check this thread out when i wake up i expect. if i remember. bump at ~1430BST if you care.

Leaving wallet doesn't automatically point to 'accessory' which is abiding a crime, which I'm sure he didn't do, the police would look for something stronger than "Oh we found your wallet, you're charged with accessory..." Also I know how contract works, but contracts usually have a clause in which how to deal with vandalism to the property, most likely to be settled by the vandals paying the business a sum to repair the damage. Just because a business accepts a contract doesn't mean the customer can treat the business's property like shit and get away with it.

My parents used to rent out houses, and in the contract with the tenants, it states that any damage done to the houses will result in my parents using the deposit money to pay to repair the damage. If the deposit doesn't cover it, then the landlord has the option to get the tenant to make up the difference.

Leaving wallet doesn't automatically point to 'accessory' which is abiding a crime, which I'm sure he didn't do, the police would look for something stronger than "Oh we found your wallet, you're charged with accessory..." Also I know how contract works, but contracts usually have a clause in which how to deal with vandalism to the property, most likely to be settled by the vandals paying the business a sum to repair the damage. Just because a business accepts a contract doesn't mean the customer can treat the business's property like shit and get away with it.

My parents used to rent out houses, and in the contract with the tenants, it states that any damage done to the houses will result in my parents using the deposit money to pay to repair the damage. If the deposit doesn't cover it, then the landlord has the option to get the tenant to make up the difference.

what i've always 'loved' about capitalism is the favour in which the seller is held. the problem is, the seller has plenty of experience dealing with custom they are getting. they have VERY good reason too include allowance for misdemeanors. the contractor has little reason to do so, the passengers (in this case as teenagers) have no reason to do so. that is not to say they ought to be exept from punishment, just that that judgement and punishent has no place in the adult world.

as for your example, that might work okay for long term lease holders but that is in no way equivalent to the one time renter of a minibus service from a teenage party or it's users. there are entirely different levels of knowledge there, and yet the rules are the same.

as for your parting shot. i agree, but the person seeking the contract does ot have the sole responsibility int he deal. morally i mean.

that is not to say they ought to be exept from punishment, just that that judgement and punishent has no place in the adult world.

So wait, first you say that the vandals shouldn't be exempted from punishment, and then you say that judgment and punishment has no place in the 'adult' world. What 'adult' world have you been living in? In the real adult world, adults understand the seriousness of defiling property and vandalism, and they understand that this brand of 'don't rat them out' loyalty is total and utter bull, and only applies to kids. Which I don't agree with because kids really should face up to the consequences of their actions.

Drunk people do stupid things - if you have a problems with 'Frat boys', that's one thing but holding people up to standards you probably don't always follow yourself is another.

To err is human, to forgive is divine

Here that everyone? Barringtonia has just given us all an invitation to go to his house, get smashed, and torch it to the ground.

He'll forgive us.

Forgiveness: Only abundant when it's not you who's the victim.

How one legal system works is not how all others do. Let's keep in mind that this is New Zealand, not United States, and that things can and are done differently.

How one legal system works is not how all others do. Let's keep in mind that this is New Zealand, not United States, and that things can and are done differently.

Ahh I've forgotten that the OP was in New Zealand, well, legal advice aside, I still stand by my point about consequences for action, the BS of loyalty meaning (don't rat them out even if they do deserve it), and the need to respect people's property.

Vandalism is really something you shouldn't let go unpunished. Those parents did a really nice thing with organisig shuttles and than some dickhead (or a collection of dickheads) with only respect for his own stuff does shit lke that. If you wouldn't do it yourself, then tell the police. If you would do it yourself, well, then,... I don't lke you.

Hypocrisy is really bothering me. Most people don't care what their "friends" do, but when their own property get stolen, or worse, vandalized, will they shrug it of and think "so long as they had fun doing it"?

As Ghandi said: "be the change you want to see in the world".

Here that everyone? Barringtonia has just given us all an invitation to go to his house, get smashed, and torch it to the ground.

He'll forgive us.

Forgiveness: Only abundant when it's not you who's the victim.

Oh let's leap into hyperbole shall we? That's the way to win an argument :rolleyes:

Only abundant when you're not the perpetrator, for which, if someone snitched on you for a minor transgression, you'd most likely be upset with that person rather than pat them on the back and say 'thanks, I really appreciate you letting the police know that it was me that drew a smiley face on the back of the shuttle bus seat".

The OP says the police are unlikely to launch an investigation, in his opinion, so it's unlikely they torched the shuttle bus.

His worry is being asked, and his true worry is probably being the one who snitched on the perpetrator.

It's all very easy to be high and mighty and say - tell the police, be honest - but then you're not taking into account being at school and being the one who had to do that because they'd unfortunately left their wallet there.

Yea, hahahahaha, yea, I doubt that for a minute, nice try but your 'third eye' is merely painted on. Like I said, Police aren't going to tell the suspect who ratted them out or reveal their sources, they're not stupid.

Honestly, when were you at school - 20 years ago, 30 years ago? Groups are very well defined at school, and being deemed a snitch is something that can follow you throughout your time. If the OP is worried about it, he could well have reasons.

I really don't accept the 'be honest', so easy to give without yourself being in the circumstances, and so often not always applicable to yourself.

Honestly, when were you at school - 20 years ago, 30 years ago? Groups are very well defined at school, and being deemed a snitch is something that can follow you throughout your time. If the OP is worried about it, he could well have reasons.

I really don't accept the 'be honest', so easy to give without yourself being in the circumstances, and so often not always applicable to yourself.

I graduated High School in 2002, and while there are groups in High School, that's just 'high school'. High School =/= real life, so being seen as a 'snitch' by your peers who'd probably end up being drug addicts, prostitutes, pimps, or any of the other social dregs really shouldn't be a priority. What should be a priority is doing the right thing.

I've have always been honest, sometimes brutally honest, and you want to know why, because personally I really don't give a damn what people think of me. If they want to think of me as a snitch, then let them, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

I graduated High School in 2002, and while there are groups in High School, that's just 'high school'. High School =/= real life, so being seen as a 'snitch' by your peers who'd probably end up being drug addicts, prostitutes, pimps, or any of the other social dregs really shouldn't be a priority. What should be a priority is doing the right thing.

I've have always been honest, sometimes brutally honest, and you want to know why, because personally I really don't give a damn what people think of me. If they want to think of me as a snitch, then let them, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

See here - by your peers who'd probably end up being drug addicts, prostitutes, pimps, or any other social dregs really shouldn't be a priority - there's your holier-than-thou attitude right there.

The sort of phrasing that normally comes from the sort of people who are later found to be secretly looking at child pornography, if we're going to ping-pong stereotyping.

Only abundant when you're not the perpetrator, for which, if someone snitched on you for a minor transgression, you'd most likely be upset with that person rather than pat them on the back and say 'thanks, I really appreciate you letting the police know that it was me that drew a smiley face on the back of the shuttle bus seat".

Apparently if the police are involved, it isn't minor. Minor is stuff that can be cleaned up, like TPing, flaming dog bag, or smiley faces that can be erased. Of course the idiot will be mad, but what the hell did he expect when he committed the transgression? The saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" fits pretty well in here.


The OP says the police are unlikely to launch an investigation, in his opinion, so it's unlikely they torched the shuttle bus.

They could've also scratch it, broken windows, carved stuff into the seats, spray painted etc. The police probably will launch an investigation.

His worry is being asked, and his true worry is probably being the one who snitched on the perpetrator.

If the police do launch an investigation, then he probably won't be the only one the police ask, so really this isn't that big of a deal.

It's all very easy to be high and mighty and say - tell the police, be honest - but then you're not taking into account being at school and being the one who had to do that because they'd unfortunately left their wallet there.

Yea, not being a snitch is waaayyyy more important than 'obstruction of justice' and 'perjury'.

See here - - there's your holier-than-thou attitude right there.

The sort of phrasing that normally comes from the sort of people who are later found to be secretly looking at child pornography, if we're going to ping-pong stereotyping.

Like I said, I don't care, if you want to think I'm going to be a future pedophile, then whatever helps you sleep at night. If you know me at all, then you'd realize that high School sucked for me so honestly I don't really care what happens to my classmate and what becomes of them, nor do I care what they think of me. I am a reclusive cynical guy with a distrust of humanity as a whole and quite frankly, I'm proud of it.

They could've also scratch it, broken windows, carved stuff into the seats, spray painted etc. The police probably will launch an investigation.

You're just making this up - the OP says they probably won't. The driver could be the same type of 'moral outragist' for whom 'everyone should be locked up' as you. The police may treat him courteously, say 'there there Mr. Smythely, we'll look into it' and not waste their own time.

You're just making this up - the OP says they probably won't. The driver could be the same type of 'moral outragist' for whom 'everyone should be locked up' as you. The police may treat him courteously, say 'there there Mr. Smythely, we'll look into it' and not waste their own time.

I don't think everyone should be locked up, however I do think that people should face the consequences of their actions/transgression, two different things. If it was minor, then yea the police will shrug it off or not get involved at all, but since they are involved, apparently something more than TPing happened.

Like I said, I don't care, if you want to think I'm going to be a future pedophile, then whatever helps you sleep at night. If you know me at all, then you'd realize that high School sucked for me so honestly I don't really care what happens to my classmate and what becomes of them, nor do I care what they think of me. I am a reclusive cynical guy with a distrust of humanity as a whole and quite frankly, I'm proud of it.

That I can truly understand, and I apologise for the pedophile remark, I don't know you at all as you say - it's the attitude I'm railing against, probably not an attitude you truly have.

Oh let's leap into hyperbole shall we? That's the way to win an argument :rolleyes:

Well, you seem to be able to forgive everything 'minor'.


Only abundant when you're not the perpetrator, for which, if someone snitched on you for a minor transgression, you'd most likely be upset with that person rather than pat them on the back and say 'thanks, I really appreciate you letting the police know that it was me that drew a smiley face on the back of the shuttle bus seat".

What kind of criminal appreciates being snitched on hmm?


The OP says the police are unlikely to launch an investigation, in his opinion, so it's unlikely they torched the shuttle bus.

That depends entirely on the level of police dedication. Here, we have rape and snatch theft victims being told to their face "Don't bother, we probably won't be able to catch them"

You're telling me rape and snatch theft (which has resulted in a few fatalities since the thieves usually are on bikes or cars), aren't serious crimes?

The thing we don't know is how laid back the police are there. Given average performance of policemen everywhere, I'd say they probably shrugged off a medium level of vandalism (smashed windows and the like).


His worry is being asked, and his true worry is probably being the one who snitched on the perpetrator.

It's all very easy to be high and mighty and say - tell the police, be honest - but then you're not taking into account being at school and being the one who had to do that because they'd unfortunately left their wallet there.

In other words, he fears being beaten up by a bunch of yokels who don't have civic responsibility. A valid fear.

What isn't valid is that he considers them friends and at the same time doesn't approve of the vandalism, or at least I think he doesn't.

Crime and moral stances are where friendships part.

Apparently my friends never violates other people private property nor do they violate their rights. I just don't hang around with jerks who think it's fun to vandalized so I never had the problem of being loyal because when you surround yourself with people who are more intelligence than your average frat boy, eh the situation just doesn't come up.

Umm.

Woah.

So more intelligent that your average frat boy huh?

Get off your fucking high horse for a start. I surround myself with tthe most "intelligent" people at my school. We're all prefects. We were all in the top class. We're all doing extremely well at school. Wow, one mistake doesn't make a person a jerk or unintelligent. You need to live some more. Secondly, who said that who did this thought it was fun? Because I surely never did. A moment of anger perhaps. Even a drunken mistake, I'm still not quite sure.

Anyway, point is, you sir, are a fucktard.

By the way, snitching is really a problem. Nothing will happen to me if I do let the police know what happened, nothing will happen to me if I don't.
It's just such a minor issue I don't really see the point in any hassle. I mean, sure, the shuttle company would probably be pissed off but really. The driver was a real prick to us the second we got on. It's probably why my friend decided to take his can opener to the back of the seat.

Well, you seem to be able to forgive everything 'minor'.

Mostly I do yes.

What kind of criminal appreciates being snitched on hmm?

That depends entirely on the level of police dedication. Here, we have rape and snatch theft victims being told to their face "Don't bother, we probably won't be able to catch them"

You're telling me rape and snatch theft (which has resulted in a few fatalities since the thieves usually are on bikes or cars), aren't serious crimes?

There's been a lot of misinterpretation of what a straw man argument is but I think I can safely say that this is one of them. Rape and snatch theft? Where did you pull that one from?

The thing we don't know is how laid back the police are there. Given average performance of policemen everywhere, I'd say they probably shrugged off a medium level of vandalism (smashed windows and the like).

I think NZ police are quite capable and quite able to assess what is worth pursuing and what isn't - your low opinion of police notwithstanding.

In other words, he fears being beaten up by a bunch of yokels who don't have civic responsibility. A valid fear.

What isn't valid is that he considers them friends and at the same time doesn't approve of the vandalism, or at least I think he doesn't.

You're calling them yokels, I call them happy drunk kids

Crime and moral stances are where friendships part.

Sure sure, I hope no member of your family ever commits a crime, you'll never have to have the mixed feelings, but then you're from such superior stock, they probably wouldn't.

By the way, snitching is really a problem. Nothing will happen to me if I do let the police know what happened, nothing will happen to me if I don't.
It's just such a minor issue I don't really see the point in any hassle. I mean, sure, the shuttle company would probably be pissed off but really. The driver was a real prick to us the second we got on. It's probably why my friend decided to take his can opener to the back of the seat.

Oh, the OP is back with actual facts - I was worried you were going to come back and say your friend ripped the back seats out and threw them out the window - undermining my point somewhat.

Your friend sounds like he'd probably 'fess up for you if it came to the point.

Oh, the OP is back with actual facts - I was worried you were going to come back and say your friend ripped the back seats out and threw them out the window - undermining my point somewhat.

Your friend sounds like he'd probably 'fess up for you if it came to the point.

He made a cut in the back seat and in the roof too I think.
Yeah, he would. But if it can be avoided when I go to pick my wallet up then there shouldn't be too many problems.
I don't see the point in telling them if they don't ask. I'm also leaning towards saying I have no knowledge of who did it just because I think cops have better things to do.

Yes, let's live in 1984.

Shit happens.

Be human.
Wrong. Shit happens when a tree falls on your car. Some juvenile destroys your stuff just cause it's fun doesn't mean you get to foot the bill. That's a great way of dodging responsibility. Remember responsibility?

Asking a man to act like one isn't 1984. That's what separates the men from the boys. There is nothing human about fucking someone over then expecting them to deal with the problem you've created.

And here I am again... On this board trying to have logical conversations with frat boys and those who can't wait to BE frat boys.

Nevermind. I'm the idiot.

And here I am again... On this board trying to have logical conversations with frat boys and those who can't wait to BE frat boys.

Nevermind. I'm the idiot.

Frat boys?
We don't have 'frats' in New Zealand. To be honest, I don't even know what a 'frat' is.
Yes. You are.

Frat boys?
We don't have 'frats' in New Zealand. To be honest, I don't even know what a 'frat' is.
Yes. You are.

Americans use it as short form for Fraternity Houses - all that Phi Alpha Kappa stuff you see in films.

I suppose I should vote but there's no option for 'call it when you get to the police station' so I went option 2 - been an afternoon you seem to have missed.

He made a cut in the back seat and in the roof too I think.
Yeah, he would. But if it can be avoided when I go to pick my wallet up then there shouldn't be too many problems.
I don't see the point in telling them if they don't ask. I'm also leaning towards saying I have no knowledge of who did it just because I think cops have better things to do.

Tell me, what is the punishment for perjury in your country, or if that doesn't work, Obstruction of Justice? I'm just curious.

As a friend once said; snitches get stiches.

This one speaks wisely. Pull a sicilian on the who thing. I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything, I wasn't there, and if I was I was asleep.

This one speaks wisely.

Yes because High School is soo much like real life. :rolleyes:

Yes because High School is soo much like real life. :rolleyes:

It's not? :confused:

For God sake if your innocent what are you afraid of?

I hate that excuse. :rolleyes:

I hate that excuse. :rolleyes:

Why?

Tell me, what is the punishment for perjury in your country, or if that doesn't work, Obstruction of Justice? I'm just curious.

I think this may be the first time I've ever agreed with Wilgrove.

Lying to the police if they ask is not a good option -- even if you think you can get away with it.

The "don't snitch" advice is simply moral turpitude.

(All this "don't snitch" advice is interesting, as some of the same people would criticize the "stop snitching" culture in inner-city America.)

Why?

Being innocent doesn't mean you have nothing to hide.

Being innocent doesn't mean you have nothing to hide.

What does he has to hide?

What does he has to hide?

Stuff he doesn't want to show, of course.

Stuff he doesn't want to show, of course.

I'm sure the police would only be interested in what happened with the bus, and that's it.

It's pretty simple etiquette in situations like this: Don't lie, but don't volunteer information. If they ask what you know, tell them. If not, don't. :)
That's what I would've said. LG already did. Thanks LG. ;)

What does he has to hide?

His secret fetish for making love to baked goods.

Why?

It justifies abuses of official power. They say if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't be afraid. I don't like that because it's allowed the government to illegally wiretap our phones, pass the Patriot Act, and arrest at the drop of a hat.

Yes because High School is soo much like real life. :rolleyes:

You obviously know nothing about my experiences.

For God sake if your innocent what are you afraid of?

.... You've never actually encountered the police, have you?

I think you should just tell the police what happened...

.... You've never actually encountered the police, have you?

why? is there something horribly wrong with Albertan police I should know about?? :confused:

why? is there something horribly wrong with Albertan police I should know about?? :confused:

Well, some questionable deaths, and overt racism, brutality, etc, but what I meant was saying "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is ridiculous. If they want to pin something on you, being open with them just seals your coffin. Unless you are the victim, talking to the police never is in your best interests.

So wait, first you say that the vandals shouldn't be exempted from punishment, and then you say that judgment and punishment has no place in the 'adult' world. What 'adult' world have you been living in? In the real adult world, adults understand the seriousness of defiling property and vandalism, and they understand that this brand of 'don't rat them out' loyalty is total and utter bull, and only applies to kids. Which I don't agree with because kids really should face up to the consequences of their actions.

that's not what i meant. i can't remember what i actually did mean because i was very drunk, but that wasn't it. maybe i'll read over it ll later and try and figure it out.

Listening to the boorish children who think it's ok to make the company eat the expenses, I hope that the transport company now sues the person they had the contract with -- the friend's parents. After all, they are responsible for getting the rides for the little shits in the first place.

Then perhaps the parents will sue the little shits who vandalized the car in the first place. Because of course nobody here is arguing that cutting the upholstery and the headliner was right.

Just go tell them what happened...jeez this isn't kindergarten or something.

If they ask tell them. If they don't ask they probably don't care. Lying to the police just to protect some idiots who were drunk and thought it would be cool to vandalise a bus doesn't make sense :/

no, they took the contract. deal with it.

Just as I'm sure that somewhere in the contract, it states that the patron(s) of the shuttle service are responsible for any damage they cause.

Go get your wallet. If the police ask you questions, answer them honestly. Whether the people who did the damage were your friends or not, you're under no obligation to take the fall for them.

Which you probably will if you lie, as you're the only one for sure placed at the scene of the crime.

However, you shouldn't tell them anything if they don't ask.

Listening to the boorish children who think it's ok to make the company eat the expenses, I hope that the transport company now sues the person they had the contract with -- the friend's parents. After all, they are responsible for getting the rides for the little shits in the first place.

Then perhaps the parents will sue the little shits who vandalized the car in the first place. Because of course nobody here is arguing that cutting the upholstery and the headliner was right.

You can't "sue" here in New Zealand.
So all of this post can be ignored.

Also, 'little shits' (which you used twice, for some strange reason) is incorrect as I made it pretty clear it was one person who did the damge and not the group.

Go get your wallet. If the police ask you questions, answer them honestly. Whether the people who did the damage were your friends or not, you're under no obligation to take the fall for them.

Which you probably will if you lie, as you're the only one for sure placed at the scene of the crime.

However, you shouldn't tell them anything if they don't ask.

Yes.
Had a change of mind since last night. Talked to my friend today and we pretty much decided that if they asked anything when I went to pick it up then I'll just be upfront.
Although it looks like the police aren't going to be involved other than the shuttle company dropping my wallet into them. Seems as if the girls parents have been talking to the shuttle company and arranged that if the money for the damage is paid (~$500) then that's where it'll end.

You can't "sue" here in New Zealand.

So all of this post can be ignored.

That seems unusual in a country with western law. What if a company fells a tree in your neighbor's yard and it lands on your house, severely damaging it and they refuse to pay for the cost of repairs?

I would agree that a lot of lawsuits in the US are frivolous, but some have merit.

Yes.
Had a change of mind since last night. Talked to my friend today and we pretty much decided that if they asked anything when I went to pick it up then I'll just be upfront.
Although it looks like the police aren't going to be involved other than the shuttle company dropping my wallet into them. Seems as if the girls parents have been talking to the shuttle company and arranged that if the money for the damage is paid (~$500) then that's where it'll end.

That's good. Seems a small offense for things to get too serious over.

That seems unusual in a country with western law. What if a company fells a tree in your neighbor's yard and it lands on your house, severely damaging it and they refuse to pay for the cost of repairs?

I would agree that a lot of lawsuits in the US are frivolous, but some have merit.

Oh, it's just not called sueing as such. You could file for damages or something. The idea of 'sueing' someone just doesn't really exist here.

For God sake if your innocent what are you afraid of?

I don't particularly like getting my friends in trouble but I'm the only person linked to the crime.
Seems as if it won't matter anyway.

Mostly I do yes.

I'll remember that the next time something happens to you.


There's been a lot of misinterpretation of what a straw man argument is but I think I can safely say that this is one of them. Rape and snatch theft? Where did you pull that one from?

Local police. I don't live in the US. Heck, it's in our papers. Try living here for a while. Our police live to get their paychecks, take bribes and extort people.


I think NZ police are quite capable and quite able to assess what is worth pursuing and what isn't - your low opinion of police notwithstanding.


We'll have to see won't we?


You're calling them yokels, I call them happy drunk kids


Drunkenness doesn't excuse crime.


Sure sure, I hope no member of your family ever commits a crime, you'll never have to have the mixed feelings, but then you're from such superior stock, they probably wouldn't.

Actually, they do. Mostly traffic offenses. I got tired of getting them to comply, so now I just sit back and laugh when they get summonses.

Quote: Originally Posted by Barringtonia
Sure sure, I hope no member of your family ever commits a crime, you'll never have to have the mixed feelings, but then you're from such superior stock, they probably wouldn't.

Actually, they do. Mostly traffic offenses. I got tired of getting them to comply, so now I just sit back and laugh when they get summonses.


How your family must love you.

Unless you are the victim, talking to the police never is in your best interests.

I don't think LG considers himself to be a victim and doesn't appear to have marital issues.

How your family must love you.

How you don't know me. Or my family.

Although it looks like the police aren't going to be involved other than the shuttle company dropping my wallet into them. Seems as if the girls parents have been talking to the shuttle company and arranged that if the money for the damage is paid (~$500) then that's where it'll end.

Well, so you didn't have to make the decision after all, and the parents did the responsible thing. Although I'm curious. Doesn't that mean she told them or somebody did?

Well, so you didn't have to make the decision after all, and the parents did the responsible thing. Although I'm curious. Doesn't that mean she told them or somebody did?

No.. It just means they want money and don't care who did it as long as cash is exchanged.

I was quite conscious about my use of the term. Your "friend" did the damage. Your friend is not paying. You've considered lying to authorities to keep your friend from facing up to the consequences. Others here have encouraged you with their boorish claims that the transport company somehow deserves a drunken tool destroying their property. The parents are now paying for the damage, and surely that too will be excused as being 'their responsibility', all because they wanted to treat a group of teens to a party.

What about this suggests taking responsibilty, and not taking advantage of persons who have been harmed? Why shouldn't the inherent selfishness, irresponsibility and amorality displayed here be pointed out for what it is? Why would you even bother defending such an act? -- you'd be furious if this same friend walked into your home and slashed your sofa.

Oh, it's just not called sueing as such. You could file for damages or something. The idea of 'sueing' someone just doesn't really exist here.

And how is filing for damages different from suing?

You go to small claims court, provide proof of what it will cost to repair, and let the judge sort who's responsible -- and if there is evidence enough of who's guilty, that person pays repair costs.

Is that not the way it's done in New Zealand? or do you think by suit I meant the transport company was going to own the parent's house after all was said and done?

Yes, let's live in 1984.

Shit happens.

Be human.

Let's think of it like this:

Let's say that the police find his wallet. They try to pin it on him, as it adequately places him at the scene of the crime. The driver can even vouch for it if he has a good enough memory to recognize him.

Now then, he doesn't have to snitch. But, if he doesn't, his friend is unlikely to step forward as few people do when it is clear that they cannot be blamed. He gets the blame for it. The person who didn't gets off scott free. A "loyal" friend would man-up at this point in time. A real person obviously wouldn't.

His friend will likely be playing for a bitch, in short. He gets the rap, the one who did it gets nothing. Where's the loyalty there, eh?

I say, tell your friend what happened, if they are trying to pin it on you. If he doesn't man-up, fuck him. He's playing you for a bitch.

Yes.
Had a change of mind since last night. Talked to my friend today and we pretty much decided that if they asked anything when I went to pick it up then I'll just be upfront.
Although it looks like the police aren't going to be involved other than the shuttle company dropping my wallet into them. Seems as if the girls parents have been talking to the shuttle company and arranged that if the money for the damage is paid (~$500) then that's where it'll end.

Well, this makes my previous statement useless. Good friend. Not afraid to take the rap.

Ok, so, like many other teenagers do on Saturday nights, I went out to a party last weekend. The party was in a suburb quite far away but yeah, got the bus out there.
Had a good time at the party. Got quite drunk in the process, but anyway. The parents of the girls whose party it was had organised shuttles for every one to get back into town, because of the distance away from town. Anyway, someone did some damage to the shuttle, and obviously, I know who it was. Now the shuttle company got the police involved. I figure they're hardly going to launch some investigation into this, but unfortunately they have my wallet as I left it on the shuttle haha. This places me at the scene of the 'crime'.
Anyway, the ol' problem arises. Do I tell the cops what happened when I go to pick up my wallet or just let it slide?
Hmmm.

Why is it a problem for you? You could say you just dropped your wallet. How would they know you were drunk? They can't, unless there were cameras...

Also, I chose deny knowledge because nobody likes a rat...