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PETERSBURG, Ky (Reuters) - Like many modern museums, the newest U.S. tourist attraction includes some awesome exhibits -- roaring dinosaurs and a life-sized ship.

But only at the Creation Museum in Kentucky do the dinosaurs sail on the ship -- Noah's Ark, to be precise.

The Christian creators of the sprawling museum, unveiled on Saturday, hope to draw as many as half a million people each year to their state-of-the-art project, which depicts the Bible's first book, Genesis, as literal truth.

While the $27 million museum near Cincinnati has drawn snickers from media and condemnation from U.S. scientists, those who believe God created the heavens and the Earth in six days about 6,000 years ago say their views are finally being represented.

"What we've done here is to give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available ... to challenge them that really you can believe the Bible's history," said Ken Ham, president of the group Answers in Genesis that founded the museum.

Here exhibits show the Grand Canyon took just days to form during Noah's flood, dinosaurs coexisted with humans and had a place on Noah's Ark, and Cain married his sister to people the earth, among other Biblical wonders.

Scientists, secularists and moderate Christians have pledged to protest the museum's public opening on Monday. An airplane trailing a "Thou Shalt Not Lie" banner buzzed overhead during the museum's opening news conference.

Opponents argue that children who see the exhibits will be confused when they learn in school that the universe is 14 billion years old rather than 6,000.

"Teachers don't deserve a student coming into class saying 'Gee Mrs. Brown, I went to this fancy museum and it said you're teaching me a lie,"' Dr. Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, told reporters before the museum opened.

A Gallup poll last year showed almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

Three of 10 Republican presidential candidates said in a recent debate that they did not believe in evolution.

I...I just don't know what to say, except...wow...

Already a thread about this somewhere.

I think I can see where this thread is going....

EDIT: then again there haven't been that many serious anti-evolutionists (funny idea) around for a while...

Dinosaurs riding noahs ark ..?

Dinosaurs riding noahs ark ..?

I will go if there's a movie in which Vikings riding dinosaurs clash with ninjas riding wooly mammoths.

I will go if there's a movie in which Vikings riding dinosaurs clash with ninjas riding wooly mammoths.

If dinosaurs ride noahs ark than you'll definately get to see a film like that..

Anyone else notice the irony of the title?

'... never been more infinite'.
It makes no sense.

Yeah that is stupid. Everyone knows the dinosaurs where too big to fit into the ark and that is why they became extinct in the flood!

On a serious note I think it is good if kids are thought conflicting messages so they have to figure out which one is correct. It forces them to learn how to think for themselves and question what they are told instead of passively accepting everything. On the other hand that museum makes us Christians look ignorant.

Sheesh the idea of Dinosaurs doesn't really contradict anything in the Bible. The time frames of Adam and Eve in the Garden are unknown in the concept of Mortality Time. For all we know dinosaurs could have gone extinct before Adam even left the Garden. I don't find that stupid just really silly and funny

On a serious note I think it is good if kids are thought conflicting messages so they have to figure out which one is correct.

Then you support lying to children? Because that's all creationism is. A lie.

Then you support lying to children? Because that's all creationism is. A lie.

Hmmm. . . what's your position on Santa Claus?

Anyone else notice the irony of the title?

'... never been more infinite'.
It makes no sense.

Actually, there are diffenrent sizes of infinity, but I agree with you, in that I doubt that's what the OP meant.

Fine, fine, whatever. Museum of Creationism, it was bound to happen eventually.

Y'know the biggest problem I have with this? It's this:

those who believe God created the heavens and the Earth in six days about 6,000 years ago say their views are finally being represented.

Fuck. Right. Off.

Your views have been represented for a long time. Just because you've finally made a museum about it doesn't mean your views are only now being represented. Creationism has been taught in fucking schools in America before now; it's not now that your views are being represented. They should stop being so up themselves - then maybe other people might take them seriously.

Fine, fine, whatever. Museum of Creationism, it was bound to happen eventually.

Y'know the biggest problem I have with this? It's this:



Fuck. Right. Off.

Your views have been represented for a long time. Just because you've finally made a museum about it doesn't mean your views are only now being represented. Creationism has been taught in fucking schools in America before now; it's not now that your views are being represented. They should stop being so up themselves - then maybe other people might take them seriously.

But that would ruin their persecution complex.

There's two of them...but which is the real one?

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I...I just don't know what to say, except...wow...

I certainly am not creationalist...obviously you'd have to be ignorant. But it still seems fun to visit. I wouldn't pass-up a Star Wars museum, and I enjoy the Star Trek stuff in Vegas, so why should I pass this fantasy museum-up? :D

Posted for what, the third time? :p

"What we've done here is to give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available ... to challenge them that really you can believe the Bible's history," said Ken Ham, president of the group Answers in Genesis that founded the museum.

lols

Yes, and that's what's frightening...

Then you support lying to children? Because that's all creationism is. A lie.

That's your opinion. Obviously, you made a choice early on in your life about which path to choose. Giving children a right to choose their own is called liberty. Do you support suspending the right of freedom and liberty to children?

That's your opinion. Obviously, you made a choice early on in your life about which path to choose. Giving children a right to choose their own is called liberty. Do you support suspending the right of freedom and liberty to children?

Well, should it be a child's liberty to try heroin?

Its a museum about something thats completely un-scientific and about something that has no proof whatsoever. Damned if this thing got any government funding.

Well, should it be a child's liberty to try heroin?

It would be interesting to find out:cool:

Well, should it be a child's liberty to try heroin?

I meant path of religion. Religion is something that is untouched by government or politics (at least in the U.S.). Drug control is a constant debate that is heavily affected by government.

I meant path of religion. Religion is something that is untouched by government or politics (at least in the U.S.). Drug control is a constant debate that is heavily affected by government.

The american indians use piote for religous purposes.

The Creationists have a right to say what they want, as long as they dont foist it vie force on anyone or any government.

But seriously, I don't believe in textbook evolution because evolution has fallacies built into the theory.

And I support lying to children: Tooth fairy, Santa Claus
Plus its better if they're told both sides. The teacher should tell the kid who comes upto her in class that Creationist history and Darwinian evolution are two mutually incompatible theories about what the world was like before humans learned to read and write. Listen to both, decide which one you want to believe in, but realize that's what happens when you dont know how to read or write....you lose track of history and thousands of years later, crackpots can claim that the entire world was built 6,000 years ago.

The Creationists have a right to say what they want, as long as they dont foist it vie force on anyone or any government.

Indeed.

But seriously, I don't believe in textbook evolution because evolution has fallacies built into the theory.

Really? What fallacies exist in the scientific method? Do tell.

And I support lying to children: Tooth fairy, Santa Claus

Interesting.

Plus its better if they're told both sides. The teacher should tell the kid who comes upto her in class that Creationist history and Darwinian evolution are two mutually incompatible theories about what the world was like before humans learned to read and write. Listen to both, decide which one you want to believe in, but realize that's what happens when you dont know how to read or write....you lose track of history and thousands of years later, crackpots can claim that the entire world was built 6,000 years ago.

The teacher should not be teaching religion - period (at least not in a public school). If the class is one of comparative religion or something like that, the creation stories of all - or at least many - religions should be discussed. The options are hardly "Christian Creationism" and Evolutionary theory. Most religions have their own creation stories which bear equal weight with Christian Creationism.

In a science class, however, Creationism could only be introduced in order to demonstrate bad science, or to point out that some people don't care to listen to science.

That's your opinion.

That creationism is untrue is no less an "opinion" than roses are red, the sky is blue, and fire is hot.

Which is to say, none of those are opinions in the slightest, but all are facts that have been demonstrably proven.

The Creationists have a right to say what they want, as long as they dont foist it vie force on anyone or any government.

But seriously, I don't believe in textbook evolution because evolution has fallacies built into the theory.

And I support lying to children: Tooth fairy, Santa Claus
Plus its better if they're told both sides. The teacher should tell the kid who comes upto her in class that Creationist history and Darwinian evolution are two mutually incompatible theories about what the world was like before humans learned to read and write. Listen to both, decide which one you want to believe in, but realize that's what happens when you dont know how to read or write....you lose track of history and thousands of years later, crackpots can claim that the entire world was built 6,000 years ago.

I already made a thread on this topic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=527964), so I kind of hate to add to the discussion here, but I had to address one line in your last paragraph. Evolution and creationism are NOT "two mutually incompatible theories." Evolution is a theory. Creationism is not; it's not even a hypothesis. It is intrinsically non-falsifiable and thus entirely non-scientific, and has no more place being taught in a science class than the "theory" that the Earth is really donut-shaped, made of cheese, and filled with millions of magical purple unicorns named Bob.

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I...I just don't know what to say, except...wow...
I am so sorry, those of you US citizens who are not total morons. If this kind of crap was going on in Canada, I'd want to hide under a rock somewhere.