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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,484958,00.html
"If this year you repeat the same mistake of the last year," the Iranian president intoned, "the ocean of nations of the region will get angry and will cut the root of the Zionist regime from its stem."

Nevermind that the Lebanese seem utterly incapable of dealing with this situation themselves, Ahmadinejad seems hellbent on scoring more anti-Israel points. What a dickhead.

Ahmadinejad's such an attention whore.

im american(not arabic or muslim), i dont like terrorists, but he can rant all he wants to isreal and i dont blame him, isreal says the same stuff back at them(really not kidding you), and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters, if you were invaded and resisted(im sure you would) people would lable you as a terrorist.

If Israel were to go to war against Lebanon again this summer, it would be destroyed.
I'm not convinced.

He's a douche, but I hear the Iranians love it. They eat it up, any pairing of 'satan' and 'Israel' in close proximity. :p

Amadinijad is a douce, and isreal would crush lebanon( but end up leaveing again be cause of hezoballah.)

and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters...
I have a feeling you would disagree if their missiles landed on your house.

listen im not praising them, but they are guys defending there country(FE: we did in the revolutionary war, and we would use gurilla tactics) I dont believe they are to do good either, im just pointing out that thats what you see through your eyes.

He's a douche, but I hear the Iranians love it. They eat it up, any pairing of 'satan' and 'Israel' in close proximity. :p

I hear Iranians are pretty "Meh" about it actually.

An undercover spy should poison him so his beard falls out, then we'd get peace in the ME.

ive even created a Gurilla force known as the sons of Hezbollah from some of the muslim population to use against my eneimes, it helps.

im american(not arabic or muslim), i dont like terrorists, but he can rant all he wants to isreal and i dont blame him, isreal says the same stuff back at them(really not kidding you), and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters, if you were invaded and resisted(im sure you would) people would lable you as a terrorist.

ALERT! Either you are A: stupid, B: uneducated, or C: very young. Come now, I didn't get this from your opinion, I got this from how you write it!

listen im not praising them, but they are guys defending there country(FE: we did in the revolutionary war, and we would use gurilla tactics) I dont believe they are to do good either, im just pointing out that thats what you see through your eyes.
I don't have a problem with them fighting the IDF when it comes into Lebanon. I do have a problem with them firing unguided missiles into towns and cities.

The latter isn't freedom fighting. I don't care about their cause in that situation, only about the fact that they apparently think the end justifies the means (though in Nasrallah's case one has to wonder whether he doesn't see the death of Jews as an end in itself) when clearly they don't.

He has a vague point, if Israel did keep attacking other nations, justified or not, eventually they would attack back.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,484958,00.html


Nevermind that the Lebanese seem utterly incapable of dealing with this situation themselves, Ahmadinejad seems hellbent on scoring more anti-Israel points. What a dickhead.

Do not worry about him. He will hopefully be gone soon and then he can die and burn in the lake of fire.

and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters

Unless you're gay, or female.

ive even created a Gurilla force known as the sons of Hezbollah from some of the muslim population to use against my eneimes, it helps.
somehow that brought to mind images of our primate relatives thundering down slopes, raising rifles, and shouting with their gorilla voices.

im american(not arabic or muslim), i dont like terrorists, but he can rant all he wants to isreal and i dont blame him, isreal says the same stuff back at them(really not kidding you), and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters, if you were invaded and resisted(im sure you would) people would lable you as a terrorist.

Um I am going to have to see proof that they have. I know Iran has but Israel? Linky.

My god, he says this constantly. It shouldn't even be news.

I have a feeling you would disagree if their missiles landed on your house.

lets not forget Home made missiles

Um I am going to have to see proof that they have. I know Iran has but Israel? Linky.

I remember Israel replied to the 'wipe Israel off the map' quote with 'Iran can also be wiped off the map'.

jesus you guys think i like these guys, i dont im just proving a point.

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I'm not convinced.neither am I.

im american(not arabic or muslim), i dont like terrorists, but he can rant all he wants to isreal and i dont blame him, isreal says the same stuff back at them(really not kidding you), and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters, if you were invaded and resisted(im sure you would) people would lable you as a terrorist.

Were they fighting for the freedom of Argentina when they bombed a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires? No, Hezbollah are antisemitic terrorists.

Israel never threatens genocide or the destruction of other nations.

I hear Iranians are pretty "Meh" about it actually.

Yeah, Opie and Anthony did an interview with Henry Rollins, who had just returned from Tehran. He said the people he talked to thought that Ahmedinejad was as big of an idiot as Bush.

Yeah, Opie and Anthony did an interview with Henry Rollins, who had just returned from Tehran. He said the people he talked to thought that Ahmedinejad was as big of an idiot as Bush.
But either Bush or the American people have to be bigger idiots still because Ahmedinejad is being sold as a dangerous criminal mastermind.

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YAY!!!

Unless you're gay, or female.

Good thing you included female because if they just didn't like gay people they would still qualify for freedom fighter status in America, well if they wern't fighting Israel.

(Hezbolla) bombed a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires says you.

When will this blight on the name of Iran finall be removed?

When will this blight on the name of Iran finall be removed?

When the guardian council decide they've had enough of him and let a decent candidate stand for election

Alternatively...........

:mp5::sniper::mp5::gundge:

Ahmadinejad's such an attention whore.

Sounds like US politics.

neither am I.

Yeah and you're an anti-semite so we don't give a flying fuck what you think.

OK, OcceanDrive, you have done what nobody else has ever done - declared your support for an attack on my person.

I was in northern Israel when Hezbollah started shooting. I had visited Tiberias the day before the fighting started, and Safed the day before that. I could actually hear the rockets in the distance. My tour group had to quickly pack and run south.

acts of terrorism are wrong, whether commited by Hezbollah or Israel.

I don't have a problem with them fighting the IDF when it comes into Lebanon. I do have a problem with them firing unguided missiles into towns and cities.

The latter isn't freedom fighting. I don't care about their cause in that situation, only about the fact that they apparently think the end justifies the means (though in Nasrallah's case one has to wonder whether he doesn't see the death of Jews as an end in itself) when clearly they don't.

Though to sum it up, Hezbollah doesn't have any reason to 'resist the occuipers" since Israel no longer has anyone in Lebanon. (The Shebaa farms belong to Syria almost everyone accepts that. And Israel isn't giving it to Syria of course.)

So no they aren't Freedom fighters. They are already free.
They just like having someone to blame.

Edit:

But Hezbollah does make interesting Computer games!

Yeah and you're an anti-semite so we don't give a flying fuck what you think.You and what army? ;)

OK, OcceanDrive, you have done what nobody else has ever done - declared your support for an attack on my person.you know what? you are not doing enough to help.. would you kindly post your exact coordinates.. or wear a GPS device.. ;)

acts of terrorism are wrong, whether commited by Hezbollah or Israel.I agree 100%

When will this blight on the name of Iran finall be removed?

Once their economy collapses...you can't sustain 30-40% inflation, 12% unemployment and fuel rationing for long.

Israel never threatens genocide or the destruction of other nations.


And neither did Iran, nor Ahmadinejad. That's what I hate about Americans, always misreading what people say. He said that he advocated wiping out the Israeli regime. Not the Jewish or Israeli people, but the damned government, which is an oppressive, racist state. Let Israel try to fight against the defenseless people of Lebanon again, and I will be over defending my brothers and sisters.

Oh and one other thing, Israel did destroy at least two nations. It destroyed lebanon last summer, and Palestine when it was wrongly created. But Allah knows best.

And neither did Iran, nor Ahmadinejad. That's what I hate about Americans, always misreading what people say. He said that he advocated wiping out the Israeli regime. Not the Jewish or Israeli people, but the damned government, which is an oppressive, racist state. .
Collapse of Israel government=Internal unrest and rioting=Many dead Palstineans and Israelis=Arab world intevening=Massive Invasion=Nuclear Launches=EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ****ING DEAD!

Got that? You happy. ALL THE MIDDLE EAST DEAD. From Tehran to Cairo, from Beruit to Mecca. ALL DUST. Radioactive Dust!

Now can someone tell AmerJarhead that?

How:headbang:many:headbang:times:headbang:do:headbang:I:headbang:have:headbang:to:headbang:explain:h eadbang:that...
You and what army? ;)
Well there's me... And...

Hold on I'll have to make a list on how many people here want your keyboard to break.

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Kill Government= Government collapse= People Die= Collapse of Israel government=Arab world taking advantage=Massive Invasion=Nuclear Launches=EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ****ING DEAD!

Got that?

Now can someone tell AmerJarhead that?

Wow. You make about as much sense as the war in Iraq.

Wiping out a goverment does not automatically assume that people die. I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control. Don't believe me? Look at the last 1500 yrs. Islam says that people of the book are not to be harmed, and since the middle east is mainly muslim, then you can see that the mainly muslim arabs would take care of any Jew or Christian in Palestine.

I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control. Don't believe me? Look at the last 1500 yrs. Islam says that people of the book are not to be harmed, and since the middle east is mainly muslim, then you can see that the mainly muslim arabs would take care of any Jew or Christian in Palestine.

The Middle East is friendly and accomodating to Jews? Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some.

The Lone Alliance's correct point is that the Israeli government would be rather pissed if someone tried to destroy it. The Israeli government has nuclear weapons. Two plus two make large mushroom clouds over all the major cities in the Middle East.

Wow. You make about as much sense as the war in Iraq.

Wiping out a goverment does not automatically assume that people die. I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control. Don't believe me? Look at the last 1500 yrs. Islam says that people of the book are not to be harmed, and since the middle east is mainly muslim, then you can see that the mainly muslim arabs would take care of any Jew or Christian in Palestine.
http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/default.htm
:rolleyes:

says you.

... well, the Argentine government (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/25/iran-argentina.html), too, but we all know how silly they are. Silly Argentines.

Oh and I suppose that Iran having the second most ammount of Jews in the middle east is because they are being held in naziesque detention camps, right? You right wing flag huggers need to get out in the REAL world.

Oh and I suppose that Iran having the second most ammount of Jews in the middle east is because they are being held in naziesque detention camps, right? You right wing flag huggers need to get out in the REAL world.
A grand total of 0.03% of the population.

Sorry to godwin, everyone, but Nazi Germany had about ten times as many Jewish people as Iran had. I guess, since there were lots of Jewish people there, there was no discrimination at all, huh? :rolleyes:

By the way, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Allegations_of_Discrimination

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/default.htm
:rolleyes:

I love how people are still ignorant enough to believe that anti-semetism only refers to being anti jew...


lets see what the dictionary says:

Sem·ite (sĕm'īt') n.

1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Again, just showing how zionism is polluting the air waves in America.

Wow. You make about as much sense as the war in Iraq. You're stretching it there. Iraq make MUCH less sense.


Wiping out a goverment does not automatically assume that people die. Every time a government collapses there is a massive outbreak of Chaos. Which is why the US was idiots in doing the Iraq war.

I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? I think everyone agrees that there is a difference between an Israeli and a Jew They would be well looked after under arab control.They don't want to be looked after by anyone but themselves.

Islam says that people of the book are not to be harmed, and since the middle east is mainly muslim, then you can see that the mainly muslim arabs would take care of any Jew or Christian in Palestine. But to many this isn't about Islam anymore. This is about looking for a scapegoat. It's sad that in the past and throughout time they helped each other, even in the Crusades they both frought off the Christian invaders, but then the 'blame the jew' option became popular in the 20s and 30s.
The only reason the Middle East hates Israel is because their leaders tell them to.

But if Israel gets taken over by another nation they WILL launch a nuclear strike on every nation of the middle east. It's a "If we can't have it None one will" Selfish, Sadistic? Yes, then again it was thought up by the Generation that survived a massive attempt to wipe them off the planet.

Heck IDF? I'm borrowing that post you made a few months ago.

I am writing this to give people a brief rundown of the history of the conflict. I know this isn't really taught in American schools.

Jews have continually been living in Israel. Most people have been misled to believe that they all came around the 1930s and 1940s. That is incorrect. While most Jews were dispersed across the Roman Empire in 70 CE, a number did stay in Israel. It is an agreed upon fact among historians that thousands of Jews were in Jerusalem during the Crusades. Many of them were murdered by the Crusaders. The Jews and Muslims got along during these times. They actually fought side by side against the Crusaders.

There is a well documented that Jews lived in Israel during Ottoman rule. British reports state 15,000 lived in the Safed region alone in the 16th century. Population figures gathered by the British consul in Jerusalem in the 19th century showed that Jews were the majority population in Jerusalem at this time.

The Jews and Arabs got along for the most part. The exception would be in the 1830s when Egypt occupied the region. The Egyptians passed discriminating laws and encouraged anti-Jewish riots that were quite similar to pogroms.

The first great Aliyah (immigration) to Israel occured in the 1880s. Most of these Jews were from the Pale of Settlement. They fled to Israel as the Czars had been instigating pogroms against the Jews. Thousands were killed and beaten during this time. The Jews who came to Israel at the time mainly settled up north in the Jezreel Valley near the Sea of Galilee.

Zionism at the time was unorganized. THere was no universal zionist organisation. There was only a small group of Jews who decided Europe was no longer safe for the Jews. In 1897, Theodore Hertzl launched the modern Zionist movement. He predicted it would take 50 years to have an Israeli state. The partition vote came nearly 50 years to the day of his statement.

This area was unoccupied by Arabs or anyone else. The Jews bought the land from absentee Arab land owners who legally controlled the land. No one was displaced by the Jews in these cases. The land was mainly swampland. The Arab landowners throught they were ripping the Jews off. The Jews were able to deal with the malaria and mosquitos by draining the swams. They then farmed this land turning the wild swamps into what is by far the best farmland in the Middle East. Mark Twain had this to say after his 1867 visit to the area: (note, Twain wrote this in "The Innocents abroad

"Stirring scenes...occur in the valley [Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent--not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Dedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings."

This objective observation by Twain over a decade before the first Aliyah demonstrate that the land the Jews settled on was not occupied.

The persecution in Russia continued. The Second Aliyah began in 1904. It was sparked by a sharp increase in Pogroms. (This is the period that "Fiddler on the Roof" took place during. While Tevye was going to America, many of the peole leaving Anatevka would've likely made an Aliyah to Israel.)

These Jews of the 2nd Aliyah were more determined to redeem the land. They were the Jews who built up Kibbutzim all over the Jezreel Valley. They helped tame the swamps filled with malaria carrying mosquitoes. They also founded a town in the desert. That town founded in 1909 became the metropolis that is now Tel Aviv. The Arabs by contrast were living in squallor as they didn't work to reclaim the swamps of the Jezreel or the eroded Planes of Sharon in central Israel. The Jews eventually worked to plant trees to stop erosion of the soil. Central Israel eventually blossomed with mroe Kibbutzim. The Jews worked hard for the land. Many died from diseases as a result.

The Arabs benefited from the Jews. The Jews introduced new farming methods. They brought books, science, music, art, and of course jobs. The average Arab in the early 20th century probably would've welcomed the Jews. For the most part, both sides got along.

World War I broke out. The Ottoman Empire was allied with the Central Powers. The Jews risked a lot when they sided with the British during the war. Had the British failed to take the land, the Jews would've faced harsh reprocussions from the Ottomans. The British were so grateful for the Jewish support that a letter was written by British Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour. The 1917 letter would later become known as the "Balfour Declaration." The Balfour Declaration called for the Establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This declaration became legally binding when the League of Nations made it part of the British Mandate in Palestine.

The Arabs on the other hand didn't initially side with the Allies. They waited until defeat of the Ottoman Empire was imminent before declaring their support for the Allies. Even after declaring support, they did little to help win the war.

The Jews and Arabs had gotten along well to this point. That all changed in the 1920s. Mohammed Amin Al-Husseini became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The Mufti was a powerful religious figure and could easily sway the hearts and minds of the Muslim population. Al-Husseini was strongly against the Balfour Declaration. He instigated some riots in 1920 and 1921. The Jews were forced to protect themselves. As a result, the Jews founded The Haganah. In 1928, Husseini began intensifying his anti-Jewish rhetoric. When the summer of 1929 rolled around, he ordered a pogrom against the Jews. The same Jews who were in the land to escape the Czar's pogroms now found themselves being terrorised by religious fanatics. The same Muslims who lived peacefully with the Jews for centuries were easily led by a charismatic cleric. The Palestinians were indoctrinated to hate the Jews at this point. The Muslims who partook in the riots shouted "Itbah al-Yahud" (kill the Jews) and "Nashrab dam al-Yahud" (we will drink the blood of the Jews.) The riots were started with no true instigation on the part of the Jews.

There was more immigration in the 1930s as Hitler took power in Germany. Unfortunately too few Jews saw the writing on the wall before it was too late. The Mufti was angered by the ever increasing flow of Jews into Palestine. In 1936, he started even more riots. The riots ended for some months as the Peel Commission investigated the matter. Full blame was put on Al-Husseini and the Arabs.

In 1937, the Peel Commission recommended a partition into a Jewish and Arab state. The partition would give the Jews Tel Aviv, a small portion of the Mediterranean coast, and the Jezreel Valley. These areas were nearly 100% Jewish. The Jews accepted this tiny slot of land. The Arabs responded with more riots instigated by the Mufti. The Mufti was going to be arrested by the British, but he was hiding in the Mosque of Omar (Dome of the Rock). The Mufti snuck out one day and fled to Berlin, Germany.

In Berlin, the anti-semitic Mufti found many friends. He quickly became friends with Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Eichmann. Al-Husseini joined the Waffen-SS and helped recruit more people to join the SS. He made addresses on Nazi radio spreading lies about the Jews and further indroctrinating the German population with the idea that harming Jews was a noble cause. While Hitler was still debating how to deal with "the Jewish question," the Mufti was working with Himmler to push Hitler to authorizing the final solution. Many historians question whether the death camps like Aushwitz would've been used had Al-Husseini not tried to convince Hitler to kill all of the Jews. There was even a case where the Mufti intervened to stop Himmler from trading 5,000 Jewish children in exchange for German soldiers who were held as POWs. Most of the children were put to death.

The Mufti also continued to encourage violence against the Jews in Palestine. The riots continued into 1939. The result of the increased violence was the White Paper. Neville Chamberlain's government once again decided to do what they do best, appease. The riots ended, but the White Paper stopped Jewish immigration. The result was that the British Navy turned refugee ships around and sent them back to Germany. Six million Jews were condemned to the gas chambers and ovens as a result of the actions of the Palestinians and their leader.

As WWII began, the Hanagah was merged with the British Army and was instumental in defeating Viche French forces in Lebanon. The Arabs on the other hand treated Germans as liberators. They awaited for the time that the Germans would win and the Mufti would return. The Mufti had drawn up plans to open up death camps in Haifa so he could apply Hitler's methods to the Jews in Palestine.

When WWII ended, there were 3,000,000 European Jews left out of 9,000,000. Most went to the US or were in Displaced Person camps. The Aliyah Bet tried desperately to get Jews into Palestine and get the British to live up to their 1917 promise to give the Jews a state. In 1947, the UN Special Committe on Palestine (UNSCOP) looked at both sides of the issue and recommended partition into 2 states. The partition came to a vote in November 1947. In what became known as the Miracle at Flushing Meadows, the Israelis won an overwhelming vote. There were only 13 votes against Israel. 11 of the nations were Islamic and Greece was coerced to vote by Egypt under the threat that some of their citizens in Egypt would be harmed if the vote went the other way. The only nation swayed by the Arab argument was Cuba. The rest of the UN voted for partition. The final vote was 33-13.

The Jews quickly accepted the decision. The Arabs on the other hand threatened war. Many Palestinians started attacking Israeli settlements in late 1947. The War for Independence had begun. Israel fought back with nothing more than 10,000 trained Palmach and 50,000 untrained Haganah troops armed with handmade sten guns. They fought off the Palestinians and defended their villages and Kibbutzim.

On May 15, 1948, the British left Palestine and the Jews established the state of Israel. On that day, 7 Arab nations with modern armies equipped with fighter aircraft, bombers, tanks, and artillery attacked the newborn nation of Israel. It was 50,000,000 Arabs vs. 500,000 poorly armed Jews with nothing but willpower and the desire to survive. The Arabs were planning the death of all of the Jews. Al-Husseini returned to take command. Many Nazi war criminals who fled capture were harbored in Arab nations. They were officers in the Arab ranks during the war.

The Arabs asked many Palestinians to leave their homes in preparation for the war. The plan was that they would return in 2 months after the Jews were driven into the sea. Many did leave. Many decided to stay though. Those who stayed are now known as the "Israeli Arabs." The rest of the Arab population conveniently forgets to say that they are no different from the Palestinians except for the fact that they decided to not fight the Israelies and stayed neutral. Many of thse Israeli Arabs enjoy living in Israel. They serve on the Supreme Court and in the Knesset.

Israel won the 1947-1948 War of Independence despite all of the odds stacked against her.

The sad aftermath of the war was the 400,000 Palestinian refugees. I do not blame the people who were made refugees. They were brainwashed by Al-Husseini and filled with hate. They continue to be filled with hate by their leaders.

Former Syrian PM Khalid al-Azm wrote the following in his 1972 memoirs:

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave ... We brought disaster upon Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave. ... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level. ... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes."

It should also be noted that there were more Jews displaced after the conflict. There were almost 1,000,000 Sephardic Jews in Arab nations who were forced to leave following the 1948 war. Israel gladly took them in with operations such as Operation Magic Carpet. Israel took them in on a land that is 20% the size of Indiana. The Arabs on the other hand say they can't take in the Palestinians when they control land that is over 100 times the size of Israel.

The violence continued. In the 1950s, Fedayeen launched raids on some settlements being set up in the Negev (which is Israeli territory). Israel had to put a stop to this. The result was the 1956 Suez War. In 1967, the Arabs blockaded Israel and massed troops on the border for attack. The Mossad had a high level source who informed Israel war was imminent. Israel launched a preemptive strike which saved the tiny nation.

Israel took some land in this defensive war. Most of the land was given back to Egypt in exchange for peace. The lands currently held by Israel are the Gaza Strip and West Bank. The Golan Heights can be legally annexed according to UN Resolution 242 as holding them is necessary to give Israel an ability to defend itself from a Syrian attack. As for the wall, Israel can take the high lands in the West Bank that are needed to ensure Israel can defend herself. Most of the land will be given back to the Palestinians when the borders are drawn in 2009. They would've gotten more had they accepted the 2000 Camp David and Taba offers.

The Yom Kippur War was a great travesty. The Jews were attacked without warning on their holiest day of the year. It was meant to be a war of annihilation. I shudder to think what would've happened had Moshe Dayan not been an Israeli General.

The Israelis do not want to wipe out the Palestinian population. They have the abiltiy to do so at any time, but they don't. When they strike terrorists, they try to avoid civilian casualties. Unfortunately they still occur. That is the reality of war. The Palestinians on the other hand don't recognize Israel. Hamas, which got 74% of the Palestinian vote, doesn't recognize Israel in its charter. It in fact calls for the destruction of the Jews.

I love how people are still ignorant enough to believe that anti-semetism only refers to being anti jew...


lets see what the dictionary says:

Sem·ite (sĕm'īt') n.

1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Again, just showing how zionism is polluting the air waves in America.
You're so intelligent:rolleyes:.

Sure the Arabs are semites, but anti-semitism is word invented in Germany to specifically describe discrimination against Jews and only Jews.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antisemitism


an·ti-Sem·i·tism /ˌæntiˈsɛmɪˌtɪzəm, ˌæntaɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-tee-sem-i-tiz-uhm, an-tahy-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.
[Origin: 1880–85]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
WordNet - Cite This Source
antisemitism

noun
the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people [syn: anti-Semitism]

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.


Show me where any dictionary says that anti-semitism is anything other than being anti-Jew. You can't because you are just talking out of your ass.

Oh and your post seems to be running full of strawmen and the anti-semitic rant that Jews control the American media.

Oh and I suppose that Iran having the second most ammount of Jews in the middle east is because they are being held in naziesque detention camps, right? You right wing flag huggers need to get out in the REAL world.
Come to think of it, this is even more nonsensical than I thought at first.

"The Middle East is mostly intolerant of Jews."

"Nuh-uh, Iran has the second largest population of Jews in the Middle East!"

Disregarding that population has not much to do with discrimination, obviously Israel has the most. But funnily enough, one Middle Eastern country, if there is more than one, has to have the second most amount of Jews. Hell, if there were no Jews in the whole Middle East except for in Israel and one lone guy in Iran, your statement would still be true. And Iran just happens to have the second largest population in the Middle East, funnily enough once more. So a large Jewish population (of 20,000 people...) in Iran is pretty much meaningless.

IDF You didn't mind me quoting that post of your's, right?

IDF You didn't mind me quoting that post of your's, right?

not at all

...they apparently think the end justifies the means when clearly they don't.

I'm pro-Israel, but honestly, why do you think this? The "ends" ALWAYS directly deicde whether the "means" are justified or not.
"It is not a violence itself which is to be critized, but violence which is used for selfish motives." -Niccolo Machiavelli, Discourses.

I don't have a problem with them fighting the IDF when it comes into Lebanon. I do have a problem with them firing unguided missiles into towns and cities.

That depends. Is this at relative, for the ME, peace, or while IDF troops are occupying Lebanon?

If only the central powers had won WWI...

I have a feeling you would disagree if their missiles landed on your house.

I have a feeling he would, but thats not the point. Think how many peoples houses were destroyed by advancing allied troops in WW2.

He has a vague point, if Israel did keep attacking other nations, justified or not, eventually they would attack back.

What, and risk the wrath of those who underwrite the economy of Israel, i.e. the US? Fat chance, Charlie Brown.

I'm pro-Israel, but honestly, why do you think this?
Because I see it as a basic necessity for peaceful human interaction.

That depends. Is this at relative, for the ME, peace, or while IDF troops are occupying Lebanon?
It's pretty simple. In my opinion, civilians need to stay out of military conflict. Any party which involves civilians in the fighting is comitting a crime (notwithstanding, I suppose, the necessity of having civilians make your weapons - which didn't apply though in the recent invasion of Lebanon).

So if Hezbollah was to be justified, it would be okay to attack soldiers which invade their homeland but not okay to fire Katyusha rockets at towns and settlements. Hezbollah basically makes no difference between "the Jews" and the IDF and sees them all as equivalent targets. That's not on, in my opinion.

I have a feeling he would, but thats not the point. Think how many peoples houses were destroyed by advancing allied troops in WW2.
And despite that, the outcome can on balance be called positive. That doesn't mean that it was justified or shouldn't be condemned.

Because I see it as a basic necessity for peaceful human interaction.


*Raises Eyebrows* What if America thought this way during WWII? No, no, don't you see? Peace IS an "end".

and as for hezoballah, they are freedom fighters, if you were invaded and resisted(im sure you would) people would lable you as a terrorist.

The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that a freedom fighter (suprisingly) fights for his freedom. The only people who can legitimately be said to be actively threatening his people are the government and its offical arms (the police, army etc). Freedom fighters do not attack civilians intentionally. Tell me, how does the avarage Israelie in Janin threaten the Lebanese's freedom. They don't, so there is no need to fire rockets at them. Hezoballah were not resisting invasion. They did not spend most of their time attacking the Israeli army. Most of their time was spent attacking Israeli civilians, which is inexcusable. You do not intentionally kill civilians.

*Raises Eyebrows* What if America thought this way during WWII? No, no, don't you see? Peace IS an "end".
Well, the US had war declared upon it, so the decision wasn't theirs.

But that's probably beside the point. But if I were to accept and say "well, it's right to make war so we can have peace", is it then okay to say "well, it's right to commit genocide so that we can have peace"?

Saying that the end justifies the means basically leads to the means in question becoming irrelevant and only the end mattering. That obviously isn't the way to go. It has to be about weighing up the means and the ends and coming to a conclusion. Then yes, sometimes the end can justify the means. But it cannot do so as a general rule.

Though to sum it up, Hezbollah doesn't have any reason to 'resist the occuipers" since Israel no longer has anyone in Lebanon. (The Shebaa farms belong to Syria almost everyone accepts that. And Israel isn't giving it to Syria of course.)

So no they aren't Freedom fighters. They are already free.
They just like having someone to blame.

You are 100% correct. Hezbollah is no longer needed to fight Israel. I wish they just disappear.

And neither did Iran, nor Ahmadinejad.

Wrong. Ahmadinejad has threatened to destroy Israel on numerous occassions.

That's what I hate about Americans, always misreading what people say. He said that he advocated wiping out the Israeli regime.

Very difficult to misread someone when they threatened it every other day.

Oh and one other thing, Israel did destroy at least two nations. It destroyed lebanon last summer, and Palestine when it was wrongly created. But Allah knows best.

Boy do you have your facts wrong. Lebanon was not destroyed and Palestine was never a state to be destroyed. :rolleyes:

Wow. You make about as much sense as the war in Iraq.

Not his fault you can not understand simple English. That is if English is your first language. If not, then I can make allowences.

Wiping out a goverment does not automatically assume that people die.

In this case it does.

I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control.

I hate to use Goodwin's law here but like they were under Hitler?

Don't believe me? Look at the last 1500 yrs. Islam says that people of the book are not to be harmed, and since the middle east is mainly muslim, then you can see that the mainly muslim arabs would take care of any Jew or Christian in Palestine.

Then tell that to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and others. BTW: do Jews have the right to vote in the Middle East? What about owning property? Voting? Any civil rights at all in the Middle East? Not really. You really need to look closely at the Middle East today and not 1500 years ago.

I love how people are still ignorant enough to believe that anti-semetism only refers to being anti jew...


lets see what the dictionary says:

Sem·ite (sĕm'īt') n.

1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Again, just showing how zionism is polluting the air waves in America.

We all know what anti-semitism is Bosco stix. And if I were you, I look up the word Zionism in that same dictionary you are using.

I love how people are still ignorant enough to believe that anti-semetism only refers to being anti jew...


lets see what the dictionary says:

Sem·ite (sĕm'īt') n.

1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Again, just showing how zionism is polluting the air waves in America.

Because obviously the meaning of words doesn't change over time... :rolleyes:

We use the words 'thug', 'zealot', and 'assassin' indiscriminately, despite the fact that they originally referred to specific Hindu, Jewish, and Islamic sects.

... well, the Argentine government (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/25/iran-argentina.html), too, but we all know how silly they are. Silly Argentines.too bad you cant read spanish..

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGknERbl1GomQBORdXNyoA?p=Nisman+comite+congreso+americano

Remind me never to read ridiculous reaction threads like this again.

A grand total of 0.03% of the population.

Sorry to godwin, everyone, but Nazi Germanymeh..

dont worry this Thread will be Godwined sooner or later.
IDF (or another like him) will scream: NAZI / ANTISEMITE / HOLOCAUST / etc

sooner or later someone will not agree with IDF on Israel/Palestine issues.. and he will just type his favorite words.. poor him, I think he cant help it.

meh..

dont worry this Thread will be Godwined sooner or later.
IDF (or another like him) will scream: NAZI / ANTISEMITE / HOLOCAUST / etc

sooner or later someone will not agree with IDF on Israel/Palestine issues.. and he will just type his favorite words.. poor him, I think he cant help it.

I hate to break this to you but I see you need to learn to actually read the thread.

I guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control.

I hate to use Goodwin's law here but like they were under Hitler?

As you can see...Goodwin has already been invoked, by me.

It's pretty simple. In my opinion, civilians need to stay out of military conflict. Any party which involves civilians in the fighting is comitting a crime (notwithstanding, I suppose, the necessity of having civilians make your weapons - which didn't apply though in the recent invasion of Lebanon).Well, If a foreign military invades my Country, -You can bet your pussy- I am going to get Involved. Damn straight.
I am going to kill as many son-of-bitches as I can.

You dont agree with me? see if I care.

As you can see...Goodwin has already been invoked, by me.Why I am not surprised? :rolleyes:

Well, If a foreign military invades my Country, -You can bet your pussy- I am going to get Involved. Damn straight.
I am going to kill as many son-of-bitches as I can.

You dont agree with me? see if I care.

That including civilians?

Why I am not surprised? :rolleyes:

meaning?

ALERT! Either you are A: stupid, B: uneducated, or C: very young. Come now, I didn't get this from your opinion, I got this from how you write it!

Or D: English as a second language?

That including civilians?I will try to kill Military.
They invaded first.. they attacked my people in my town.. they started a War on me.
War is hell.

meaning?Try to guess if you want.
My post is self explanatory.
here I will post it again:

As you can see...Goodwin has already been invoked, by me.Why I am not surprised? :rolleyes:
.

Try to guess if you want.
My post is self explanatory.
here I will post it again:

Heh, heh. He made a typo. It's not surprising because I think he's stupid. Stupid people make typos. Heh.

I will try to kill Military.
They invaded first.. they attacked my people in my town.. they started a War on me.
War is hell.

War is indeed hell. However, that is not justification to lob katushya rockets into civilian populated areas or blowing up civilians via suicide bombers.

Why I am not surprised? :rolleyes:
.

That Godwin was invoked by me?

I will say it again guess you are talking about the Jewish people? They would be well looked after under arab control.
I hate to use Goodwin's law here but like they were under Hitler?

Now tell me if that is not true.

When will this blight on the name of Iran finall be removed?

The Shah's not dead, he's frozen,
and as soon as we find a cure for cancer
We're gonna thaw out the Shah
and he's gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why,
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well multiply that by 15 million times
That's how pissed off the Shah's gonna be!

(Thx to Dennis Leary)

meh..

dont worry this Thread will be Godwined sooner or later.
IDF (or another like him) will scream: NAZI / ANTISEMITE / HOLOCAUST / etc

sooner or later someone will not agree with IDF on Israel/Palestine issues.. and he will just type his favorite words.. poor him, I think he cant help it.

Maybe I call you an anti-semite because you fucking are. You have posted time and time again about anti-semitic conspiracy theories you buy into. You deny the Holocaust. I think everyone on this board agrees you are a fucking bigot.

Maybe I call you an anti-semite because you fucking are. You have posted time and time again about anti-semitic conspiracy theories you buy into. You deny the Holocaust. I think everyone on this board agrees you are a fucking bigot.

OcceanDrive is a bit trollsome, but surely you see that he likes the kind of rough treatment you offer?

"Fucking bigot" really isn't justified, I think you are looking too deeply into his rather inane posts and seeing the enemy you are looking for.

The OP layed out a minefield. I really wonder what I am doing here ... but to OcceanDrive: have you tried NationStates? It's a great game I hear, and being InCharacter is appreciated rather than vilified.

..........................................:)
...........I really should just let them fight, shouldn't I?
..........................................:confused:

OcceanDrive is a bit trollsome, but surely you see that he likes the kind of rough treatment you offer?

"Fucking bigot" really isn't justified, I think you are looking too deeply into his rather inane posts and seeing the enemy you are looking for.

The OP layed out a minefield. I really wonder what I am doing here ... but to OcceanDrive: have you tried NationStates? It's a great game I hear, and being InCharacter is appreciated rather than vilified.

..........................................:)
...........I really should just let them fight, shouldn't I?
..........................................:confused:
OD is a bigot. He has posted stuff about "Jewish media conspiracies" and Jewish control of the US. He also has denied the Holocaust. My description of him is 100% dead on and is agreed upon by most of the people who read his posts.

Wrong. Ahmadinejad has threatened to destroy Israel on numerous occassions.

The Israeli government, carl. Not the civilian populace, but the government.


Very difficult to misread someone when they threatened it every other day.

Can you show me a link where he threatens to destroy people every other day?


Boy do you have your facts wrong. Lebanon was not destroyed

What do you call the obliteration of a countries infrastructure, plus numerous civilian casualties? Oh yes, you'd blindy call it justified, without looking at the lives impacted on the other side. Christians need to learn that you don't have to support Israel blindly.


and Palestine was never a state to be destroyed. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the Israelite said the same thing when they invaded the first time, you know killing all the Caananites and robbing them of their lands and resources.

I think everyone on this board agrees you are a fucking bigot.

I don't.

I don't.

Yeah and you are too stupid to know the definition of what an anti-semite is as evidenced by an earlier post of yours.

Yeah and you are too stupid to know the definition of what an anti-semite is as evidenced by an earlier post of yours.

Semite is not limited to Jews, so why should anti semitism, the act of being against semites, be limited to jews?

The Zionist already have their own country, unlimited wealth, and the sympathy of idiots such as yourself, why should they be given their own word?

I love how people are still ignorant enough to believe that anti-semetism only refers to being anti jew...well, it in fact does.

well, it in fact does.

okay, if i say i am anti american, does that limit me to being anti white american? Or does it cover all of americans?

okay, if i say i am anti american, does that limit me to being anti white american? Or does it cover all of americans?that is irrelevant to the meaning of the word "anti-semite (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anti-semite)".

that is irrelevant to the meaning of the word "anti-semite (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anti-semite)".

LISTEN: Semite refers to both Jews and Arabs.... So if you are anti semite, or against semitic people, doesn't that mean you are both against jews and arabs?

LISTEN: Semite refers to both Jews and Arabs.... So if you are anti semite, or against semitic people, doesn't that mean you are both against jews and arabs?the word has lost its literal meaning. live with it.

the word has lost its literal meaning. live with it.

Lost its meaning by whose standards? by NSG's? oh noes! the populace of NSG are so correct about everything!

And I will not live with it, because it once against demonstrates how the zionists stay in power.

Semite is not limited to Jews, so why should anti semitism, the act of being against semites, be limited to jews?

The Zionist already have their own country, unlimited wealth, and the sympathy of idiots such as yourself, why should they be given their own word?

You're a fool. Semite definitely refers to both Jews and Arabs, but anti-semite is an invented word to specifically describe hate towards Jews.

This isn't propoganda. This is from the fucking dictionary, which you are too dumb to read.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semite
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anti-semitism

The dictionary is the definitive source on the definition of a word. Nothing you pull out of your ass can say anything different.

LISTEN: Semite refers to both Jews and Arabs.... So if you are anti semite, or against semitic people, doesn't that mean you are both against jews and arabs?

That logic doesn't apply to language. The word was invented in 1860 and has a specific definition.

It only means prejudiced against Jews.

Show me a dictionary that says otherwise.

Yeah and you are too stupid to know the definition of what an anti-semite is as evidenced by an earlier post of yours.:rolleyes:IDF thinks he knows everything, and he thinks all the pester who ever disagree with him are all Idiot.

but IDF is the idiot, he doesn't even know the definition for "Semite".

LISTEN: Semite refers to both Jews and Arabs.... So if you are anti semite, or against semitic people, doesn't that mean you are both against jews and arabs?

No, while the word Semite refers to all people that speak a Semetic language, the word anti-semite specifically refers to hostility or discrimination directed towards Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.

You're a fool. Semite definitely refers to both Jews and Arabs, but anti-semite is an invented word to specifically describe hate towards Jews.What? You invented the word?

What? You invented the word?

Obviously, you ignored the links IDF included, he created nothing. That is actually the definition. Discrimination or prejudice toward Jews and only Jews is anti-semitism. Plain and simple.

What? You invented the word?Obviously, you ignored the links IDF included, he created nothing. That is actually the definition. Discrimination or prejudice toward Jews and only Jews is anti-semitism. Plain and simple.Obviously?

No wonder he whines when someone else uses his sacred words.

No wonder he wants to keep his word for his semites while excluding other semites.

What? You invented the word?Obviously, you ignored the links IDF included, he created nothing. That is actually the definition. Discrimination or prejudice toward Jews and only Jews is anti-semitism. Plain and simple.

No wonder he wants to keep his word for his semites while excluding other semites.


And you continue to twist other people’s words to suit your needs. Proves exactly what type of person you are, since you can’t support your own arguments.

:rolleyes:IDF thinks he knows everything, and he thinks all the pester who ever disagree with him are all Idiot.

but IDF is the idiot, he doesn't even know the definition for "Semite".

I know the definition of Semite and I know the definition of anti-Semite.

A Semite would be any person who is of a race or ethnic group that uses one of the semetic rooted languages. That would include both Jews, Arabs, and some other ethnic groups of the region.

An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Jews.

The word was invented in the 19th century to describe prejudice against Jews and only Jews.

Pick up a dictionary and look it up. You might actually educate yourself.

Oh and don't call me an idiot when you are too stupid to read a fucking dictionary.

I have come up with a set of easy steps so even OcceanDrive can understand how to learn what I'm trying to teach him.

Click This (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anti-semitism)

Step 1: Look for an underlined link that says "Click This"

Step 2: Click on the link. If you need help with the instructions thus far, consult a kindergarten teacher.

Step 3: Read whatever pops up after you click on the link

Step 4: Try to comprehend what is on the page. Once again, if you need help consult a kindergarten teacher.

I hope this has been helpful.

No wonder he whines when someone else uses his sacred words.

No wonder he wants to keep his word for his semites while excluding other semites.
And you have changed the post of the person above you to suit your needs. I believe you got a former account of your banned for this. You obviously don't learn from past experiences.

Heck IDF? I'm borrowing that post you made a few months ago.

Despite the fact its inaccurate in a number of instances, as I remember going through it in detail.

Do you think throwing the same crap up again and again will make it stick eventually?

The first 5 paragraphs are fine. Alas it doesnt stay fine after that

This area was unoccupied by Arabs or anyone else. The Jews bought the land from absentee Arab land owners who legally controlled the land. No one was displaced by the Jews in these cases. The land was mainly swampland.

Doesn't that contradict the various stories about the problems that arose over the custom of owning the land, but not the crops on it?

How many dunums were "zionist"/Jewish/settler/whatever you prefer owned by 1947?

Mark Twain had this to say after his 1867 visit to the area: (note, Twain wrote this in "The Innocents abroad"Stirring scenes...occur in the valley [Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent--not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Dedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings."


He arrived in Summer in a country where even today less than 20% of the land is arable.

He says much the same about Greece.

"From Athens all through the islands of the Grecian Archipelago, we saw little but forbidden sea-walls and barren hills, sometimes surmounted by three or four graceful columns of some ancient temples, lonely and deserted---a fitting symbol of desolation that has come upon all Greece in these latter ages. We saw no plowed fields, very few villages, no trees or grass or vegetation of any kind, scarcely, and hardly ever an isolated house. Greece is a bleak, unsmiling desert, without agriculture, manufactures, or commerce, apparently." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 203)

I suppose the Greeks did nothing and werent there until somebody invaded them either.


The Arabs by contrast were living in squallor as they didn't work to reclaim the swamps of the Jezreel or the eroded Planes of Sharon in central Israel.

Arabs/Palestinians owned the majority of the land, and produced the majority of agricultural output - 71-72% (1946). Jewish farmers tended to specialise in Grain, Fodder and particularily citrus. 93/4% of livestock was Arab owned.

The Arabs on the other hand didn't initially side with the Allies. They waited until defeat of the Ottoman Empire was imminent before declaring their support for the Allies. Even after declaring support, they did little to help win the war.


I remember this being particularily offensive. The Arabs went for the British in 1915. They tied down large numbers of Turkish soldiers and disrupted supply lines. Or was that whole "lawerence of Arabia" thing made up to make Israel look bad?

The same Muslims who lived peacefully with the Jews for centuries were easily led by a charismatic cleric.

Nothing to do with unemployment, the reneging on the promise of independence by the british, fear of the increased Jewish immigration?

Many historians question whether the death camps like Aushwitz would've been used had Al-Husseini not tried to convince Hitler to kill all of the Jews

Saying that Husseini was a nazi sympathiser is ok. Sayin he would have gladly killed all the jews is ok. However there is no basis for that statement of yours whatsoever. None. The last book, and thus relativelu fresh in my mind, I read on the holocaust was "Hitlers willing Executioners" by DJ Goldhagen. Mufty wasnt mentioned as far as I recall.

The Arabs asked many Palestinians to leave their homes in preparation for the war

As has been proven in detail here a number of times, thats just bollocks. Haifa saw 50,000 alone forcefully expelled.

The lands currently held by Israel are the Gaza Strip and West Bank. The Golan Heights can be legally annexed according to UN Resolution 242 as holding them is necessary to give Israel an ability to defend itself from a Syrian attack. As for the wall, Israel can take the high lands in the West Bank that are needed to ensure Israel can defend herself.

What part of 242 allows annexation by any party?

The Israeli government, carl. Not the civilian populace, but the government.

And how pray tell can you destroy the government without killing its people?

Can you show me a link where he threatens to destroy people every other day?

Do you understand figure of speech?

What do you call the obliteration of a countries infrastructure, plus numerous civilian casualties?

It is called war. Not to mention, it is a known fact that alot of numbers were fudged and that Hezbollah had their people among civilians firing from civilian buildings. I could go into the rules of war about that but I doubt it highly that you will understand them.

Oh yes, you'd blindy call it justified, without looking at the lives impacted on the other side. Christians need to learn that you don't have to support Israel blindly.

As opposed to intentionally ordering attacks on civilians that muslims seem to enjoy doing in Israel? Muslims do need to read their own book. Apparently, they do not know that they are not supposed to kill civilians indiscriminately nor attack Jews.

I'm sure the Israelite said the same thing when they invaded the first time, you know killing all the Caananites and robbing them of their lands and resources.

On orders from the Lord. You forget. You are related to them.

:rolleyes:IDF thinks he knows everything, and he thinks all the pester who ever disagree with him are all Idiot.

but IDF is the idiot, he doesn't even know the definition for "Semite".

Actually, you can be called an idiot because you cannot learn how to actually read.

No wonder he whines when someone else uses his sacred words.

No wonder he wants to keep his word for his semites while excluding other semites.

Or yet...perhaps you can quote the entire post? Is that to much to ask from you?

Cheap shot Oceandrive. Intentionally editings someone's post to support your opinion and to try and start a false conflict.

You're losing it.

Cheap shot Oceandrive. Intentionally editings someone's post to support your opinion and to try and start a false conflict.

You're losing it.

That is assumed he had it to begin with. I mean, you cannot lose something if you did not have it in the first place.

That is assumed he had it to begin with. I mean, you cannot lose something if you did not have it in the first place.
Yeah he is illiterate afterall.

Yeah he is illiterate afterall.

You two deserve each other.

An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Jews.An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Semites.

The word was invented in the 19th century to describe prejudice against Jews and only Jews. I say the original meaning was to describe racism against Semites..
so it can be correctly used to describe racism against Jews.

But if someone want an exclusive word.. they should use the word anti-Jew.

Yeah he is illiterate afterall.what?
You are downgrading me from Nazi to Illiterate? :rolleyes:

thats so weak. ;)

Or yet...perhaps you can quote the entire post? Is that to much to ask from you?fine I quoted the full post.. happy now? ;)

An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Semites.

You made your point little man. Now go prove it with a dictionary.

I say the original meaning was to describe racism against Semites..
so it can be correctly used to describe racism against Jews.

But if someone want an exclusive word.. they should use the word anti-Jew.
I call bullshit. The original meaning and only correct meaning of the word is well documented in historical texts and in dictionaries. I have facts on my side.

All you have is your diminutive little mind and bogus claims.

I call bullshit. The original meaning and only correct meaning of the word is well documented in historical texts and in dictionaries. I have facts on my side.
the only correct meaning? I dont think so.

the Original Meaning.. You claim to know what was the meaning of the word when it was first used??

Wow, You must have a time travel machine.

the only correct meaning? I dont think so.

the Original Meaning.. You claim to know what was the meaning of the word when it was first used??

Wow, You must have a time travel machine.
It is the only correct meaning.

I am giving you one hour to come back with a dictionary source proving the word has another meaning. I don't want the definition of Semite. I want the definition of anti-Semite, anti-semitism, or anti-semetic

I do know the meaning of the word when it was first used because it was first used in 1860.

The term Semite refers broadly to speakers of a language group which includes both Arabs and Jews. However, the term antisemitism is specifically used in reference to attitudes held towards Jews. The word antisemitic (antisemitisch in German) was probably first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "antisemitic prejudices" (German: "antisemitische Vorurteile"). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races." These pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century, especially as Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. In Treitschke's writings Semitic was synonymous with Jewish, in contrast to its usage by Renan and others.

German political agitator Wilhelm Marr coined the related German word Antisemitismus in his book "The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism" in 1879. Marr used the phrase to mean hatred of Jews or Judenhass, and he used the new word antisemitism to make hatred of the Jews seem rational and sanctioned by scientific knowledge. Marr's book became very popular, and in the same year he founded the "League of Antisemites" ("Antisemiten-Liga"), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews, and advocating their forced removal from the country.

Give me facts and learn how to read a dictionary. I am giving you until 12:45 am eastern time to come back to me or else you concede the debate.

I don't want the definition of Semite.I dont care what you want or not.

"Anti" means "against/opposed"
and "Semitic" means "Jews and Arabs".

I dont care what you want or not.

"Anti" means "against"
and "Semitic" means "Jews and Arabs".
Flawed logic.

Read a dictionary

In that same block that your feeble mind guided your fingers to type those two separate words, type "anti-semite." Tell me what you get

I would gloat about kicking your ass in a debate once more, but that would be like celebrating winning a foot race against a kid with cerebral palsy.

I am giving you until 12:45 am eastern time to come back to me .and I am giving you until 12:44 to stop masturbating. :D

Flawed logic.says you.

and I am giving you until 12:44 to stop masturbating. :D
So you concede defeat with your childish posts devoid of any value.

Oh and please stop sticking pencils up your nose. It hurts what ever brain tissue you may have.

says you.

says dictionary.com

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anti-semitism

Read it

Oh, cork it the both of you. Just reading this drivel feels like the onset of a migraine...

Oh and please stop sticking pencils up your nose. It hurts what ever brain tissue you may have.your pencils have some of your rectum's tissue.. and smell like shit.. I wonder why? :D
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So you concede defeat..I concede nothing.

I dont have to use your definition of "Anti-semite".
I dont have to use your definition of "Terrorism".
I dont have to use your definition of "Democracy".

Deal with it.

says dictionary.com

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anti-semitism

Read itI already did.. years ago and.. I did read
the definition of "Anti"
and
the definition of "Semite"

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I dont have to use your definition of "Anti-semite".


Fine I'll let you keep your right to be an ignorant, illiterate, and bigoted fool.

I already did.. years ago and.. I did read
the definition of "Anti"
and
the definition of "Semite"
But you do realise that anti-semite has a meaning that goes beyond the parts of the word, right? It's like that with many words.

While it should mean "hating Semitic people", the term "anti-Semite" was coined as a more respectable term for "Jew-hater". It was coined by anti-Semites.

Perhaps "Amalekite" would be a better term, at least for the more extreme anti-Semites.

An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Semites.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semite

You have been served.

the only correct meaning? I dont think so.

the Original Meaning.. You claim to know what was the meaning of the word when it was first used??

Wow, You must have a time travel machine.

Oh brother. Ignore OcceanDrive people. He is just a little troll who does not know history.

Oh, cork it the both of you. Just reading this drivel feels like the onset of a migraine...

LOL!!!

I concede nothing.

I dont have to use your definition of "Anti-semite".
I dont have to use your definition of "Terrorism".
I dont have to use your definition of "Democracy".

Deal with it.

Ah, OcceanDrive concedes! After all, my definition for 'nothing' is the same as 'wholeheartedly'. You concede wholeheartedly to the correct definition. Thank you.

What? I don't have to use your definitions! :rolleyes:

This reminds me of UnHoly Smite when he said that 'fascism' = 'killing lots of people' and called everyone who followed the correct definitions of words sheep.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semite

You have been served.

Read thread kthxplzbai.

I already did.. years ago and.. I did read
the definition of "Anti"
and
the definition of "Semite"

Which are two different definitions. Now when you put Anti and semite together, you get a new word called anti-semite which is also in the dictionary.

This reminds me of UnHoly Smite when he said that 'fascism' = 'killing lots of people' and called everyone who followed the correct definitions of words sheep...I dont know about UnholySmite, I have not studied UnholySmite logic for such an unlikely definition, I dont know the range of Credibility UnholySmite has, I just dont know him enough, I have not read that thread.. so I cannot comment on the Definitions of "Fascism" at this time.

I can only tell you this: many expressions may have more than one definition.. On my book, claiming to be the sole owner of the "correct" definition is childish.

Over the years.. NSG minds have generated several threads about the Definition of

Palestine.
Anti-semite.
Terrorism.
freedom-Fighter.
Democracy.
Communism.
Fascism.
Socialism.
Capitalism.
Libertarian.
etc.
etc.
etc.

At the end.. NSG minds have agreed to disagree.

You and IDF can claim to have the sole "Correct" definition a million times(repeat ad nauseum).. but repeating something a million times does not make it true.
In any event.. do NOT expect me to use YOUR definition.. Ill use mine, thanks.. My definition includes both Jews and Arabs.
.

Ah, OcceanDrive concedes! After all, my definition for 'nothing' is the same as 'wholeheartedly'. You concede wholeheartedly to the correct definition....you are so sweet :cool:
.

Thank you.meh.. You are... very welcome?
.

What? I don't have to use your definitions!Like I said a million times: You do not have to use my definitions..

Let me give you an example:
My definition of Terrorism is "The use of terror to impose your will"
You probably have a different definition.. ... I dont care.. I just dont.

Which are two different definitions. Now when you put Anti and semite together, you get a new word called anti-semite which is also in the dictionary.of course it is in the dictionary.
The dictionary definitions are in line with IDF (the exclusion of most Semites.) and.. the Dictionary definitions for "semite" and "anti-semite" are contradictory.. the first includes Arabs and Jews.. the second excludes them.

read the thread.

While it should mean "hating Semitic people", the term "anti-Semite" was coined as a more respectable term for "Jew-hater". It was coined by anti-Semites.

Perhaps "Amalekite" would be a better term, at least for the more extreme anti-Semites.Interesting and very informative.

I dont know about UnholySmite, I have not studied UnholySmite logic for such an unlikely definition, I dont know the range of Credibility UnholySmite has, I just dont know him enough, I have not read that thread.. so I cannot comment on the Definitions of "Fascism" at this time.

I can only tell you this: many expressions may have more than one definition.. On my book, claiming to be the sole owner of the "correct" definition is childish.

Over the years.. NSG minds have generated several threads about the Definition of

Palestine.
Anti-semite.
Terrorism.
freedom-Fighter.
Democracy.
Communism.
Fascism.
Socialism.
Capitalism.
Libertarian.
etc.
etc.
etc.

At the end.. NSG minds have agreed to disagree.

You and IDF can claim to have the sole "Correct" definition a million times(repeat ad nauseum).. but repeating something a million times does not make it true.
In any event.. do NOT expect me to use YOUR definition.. Ill use mine, thanks.. My definition includes both Jews and Arabs.
.

...you are so sweet :cool:
.

meh.. You are... very welcome?
.

You do not have to use my definitions..

Let me give you an example:
My definition of Terrorism is "The use of terror to impose your will"
You probably have a different definition.. ... I dont care.. I just dont.

It's not a question of personal opinion. It's a question of using the damn dictionary. Both of mine, as well as IDF's dictionary.com links agree that it's 'hostility towards Jewish people'. Unlike definitions for communism and capitalism etcetera, it is very clear-cut. It is not an entire political ideology. It is simply hostility towards the Jews. That is all. There is no mention of the possibility that it may be discrimination against Semites. It is discrimination against the Jews.

Okay, as seen above you have acknowledged this. Now, where I come from, the dictionary tends to be a reasonably good indicator of the correct meaning of a simple word.

By the way, do you think the peanut is not what it is agreed to be? It's not a pea or a nut. How about pineapples? Chinese gooseberries? The English language is a silly thing. Just because two words are strung together does not mean the new word automatically takes the meaning of those two words. Deal with it.

Even UB disagrees with you. United Beleriand is disagreeing with you and agreeing with IDF. :eek:

*world implodes*

Now, where I come from, the dictionary tends to be a reasonably good indicator of the correct meaning of a simple word."reasonably good indicator" Fair enough
where I come from :D dictionaries only Contradict itself 1% of the time.

Even UB disagrees with you. United Beleriand is disagreeing with you and agreeing with IDF. :eek:

*world implodes*
W-w-w-w-what is this nonsense?

of course it is in the dictionary.
The dictionary definitions are in line with IDF (the exclusion of most Semites.) and.. the Dictionary definitions for "semite" and "anti-semite" are contradictory.. the first includes Arabs and Jews.. the second excludes them.

read the thread.

I have. Several times. Guess what? They are right and you are most definitely, 100% WRONG!!!!

Perhaps "Amalekite" would be a better term, at least for the more extreme anti-Semites.What the fuck??

What the fuck??

This thread is a serious clusterfuck.

W-w-w-w-what is this nonsense?Hamilay had a bad childhood...

Yeah it's pretty messed up but I'm enjoying watching OcceanDrive dig another Grave for himself.

By its nature, Zionism concentrates ultra-nationalism, chauvinism and racial intolerance, excuse for territorial occupation and annexation, military opportunism, cult of political promiscuousness and irresponsibility, demagogy and ideological diversion, dirty tactics and perfidy... Absurd are attempts of Zionist ideologists to present criticizing them, or condemning the aggressive politics of the Israel's ruling circles, as antisemitic.

By its nature, Zionism concentrates ultra-nationalism, chauvinism and [b]racial intolerance[b], excuse for territorial occupation and annexation, military opportunism, cult of political promiscuousness and irresponsibility, demagogy and ideological diversion, dirty tactics and perfidy... Absurd are attempts of Zionist ideologists to present criticizing them, or condemning the aggressive politics of the Israel's ruling circles, as antisemitic.

Oh brother. This is wrong on many levels. Where to begin!!! Oh yes, my bolded part. WRONG!! Zionism is wanting a state of Israel in the promise land. Has nothing to do with race in reality.

What the fuck??

Historically, the Amalekites were a tribe in the Near East that attempted to wipe out the Israelites with no provocation. In retaliation, the Jews were commanded to wipe the Amalekites off the face of the earth.

Nearly all the Amalekites perished when King David fulfilled the above commandment, but a handful survived as refugees - Haman, of the Purim story, was an Amalekite.

Today, some Jews say that anyone who wishes to exterminate the Jewish people is akin to an Amalekite. This is not just any anti-Semite - we're talking Nazi or Muslim extremist.

Oh brother. This is wrong on many levels. Where to begin!!! Oh yes, my bolded part. WRONG!! Zionism is wanting a state of Israel in the promised land. Promised by whom?
Promised by God?

No doubt IDF will quote some obscure Talmud or OT versus to 'prove' that 100 million Jews or something ridiculous were genocided by the Romans and Arabs etc etc

No doubt IDF will quote some obscure Talmud or OT versus to 'prove' that 100 million Jews or something ridiculous were genocided by the Romans and Arabs etc etc

And no doubt you will continue to be an antisemetic racist asshole and say all Jews should die because they support Israel's right to exist.

I also expect you to then say they control the media, US government, and will knock down a mosque to build a bank.

Oh wait, you've already done all of that at some point.

I on the otherhand have never quoted any holy text on this board in my nearly 10,000 posts.

Promised by whom?
Promised by God?

Actually the British when they took the land over following WWI.

Actually the British when they took the land over following WWI.I bolded in blue to make it clear I am talking about Lancaster's expression "promised Land"

Not all Jews support Israel's right to exist, though. Just thought I'd point that out.
The vast majority do.

The ones who don't tend to be extremists who expect G-d to do everything for them from giving them food to wiping their own ass.

(I don't like fundies regardless of what religion they are from)

And no doubt you will continue to be an antisemetic racist asshole and say all Jews should die because they support Israel's right to exist.

Not all Jews support Israel's right to exist, though. Just thought I'd point that out.

Actually the British when they took the land over following WWI.

Justification of the state of Israel on the grounds of imperialism/colonialism is just as reprehensible as justifying it on the grounds of military annexation by the Jews.

This thread is a serious clusterfuck.

Clusterfuck 2007, to be precise.
Clusterfuck 2008 is the presidential election, 2009 will be Phelps vs Harry Potter fans, 2010 will be the Y2K virus (apparently the editor accidentally put the 1 in the wrong slot, thus 2010 rather than 2001, thus his point about how there was no 0 AD failed)...

and 2011 will be the infamous Oil rebellion. After that my Mayan calendar cuts off and I cannot do any more numerological predictions... :(

Promised by whom?
Promised by God?

Yes.

wow..i just read this whole thread,stupid me.
it is amazing,i had to go back to remind myself what the op was,something to do with ahmanutjob and iran.i should have ran away from this clusterfuck.
point to the op....iran is going to be crippled within a few years due to economic reasons,if it isnt allready,that explains ahmanutjobs rants to distract the 30-40% unemployment amongst men under 30.it also explains why they are playing around in iraq,to win concessions from the west.
i wish nothing but good will to the iranins,i know many and they are decent and intelligent folk,but i fear they are falling for a despot,or at the least buying his bullshit so he can stay in power.it is after all the driving force behind most powerfull people.
this is exactly why they (the rulers of iran) will not give up on atomic weapons,it is the chip they have in the big game.
it is sad to think that the country will be reduced to rubble cause they are to backed up against a wall politically,to give it up..and trust me..they will not back down,they would lose power if they do,and will be destroyed if they dont.there is no way the west will allow iran to have weapons of mass destruction...givin the rhetoric they have used with regards to isreal.
this is not to say the west wants to bash persia,we are actually very close in many ways,but iran is sliding down the tubes economically and the rulers know this,this is their out...kinda like lil kim in north korea.
lets just hope and pray that they extend the hand of friendship rather then the sword...they may have just recently i hope.