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This is what makes America great. We're still able to stand up for our first amendment rights.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAdkLNrjAx4

yes, but a lot of rights givin by our founding fathers have been taken away ( cough* bush, cough* reagen)

yes, but a lot of rights givin by our founding fathers have been taken away ( cough* bush, cough* reagen)

Yeah, I agree. Don't let the Democrats off the hook though. Clinton's "assault" weapons ban that made some hunting rifles illegal was a breach of our second amendment rights.

Yeah, I agree. Don't let the Democrats off the hook though. Clinton's "assault" weapons ban that made some hunting rifles illegal was a breach of our second amendment rights.

Honestly, has there been a single president in the past 50 years who didn't work to abridge citizen's rights?

Yeah, I agree. Don't let the Democrats off the hook though. Clinton's "assault" weapons ban that made some hunting rifles illegal was a breach of our second amendment rights.

Jeebus Kryst!! Can you Puh-leeze knock off the gun crap? Not only is it annoying, but it's stupid to whine about something that no longer exists. Get the fuck over it!

LOOK I CAN USE CAPS I MUST BE SEXY CLEVER!!!

well to be fair it is youtube

Jeebus Kryst!! Can you Puh-leeze knock off the gun crap? Not only is it annoying, but it's stupid to whine about something that no longer exists. Get the fuck over it!

Don't take the name of the Lord Jeebus Kryst in vain. That's a sin.

I'm not whining, just pointing out that presidents from both major parties have tried to whittle away at our rights.

"Hey, turn to page 127. It says Jebus."

This is what makes America great. We're still able to stand up for our first amendment rights.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAdkLNrjAx4

Hmmm, never took you for a RATM fan, or a fan of protest actually...

Hmmm, never took you for a RATM fan, or a fan of protest actually...

The only Rage CDs I own are Evil Empire and Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium. I'm not a huge fan, but I like their music ok. Protest is fine as long as it doesn't turn to rioting. Sometimes it can get a message across, but you have to do it right. Many protestors come off like assholes because they can't stay on message and they have troublemakers in their midst.

Fair enough:)

The only Rage CDs I own are Evil Empire and Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium. I'm not a huge fan, but I like their music ok. Protest is fine as long as it doesn't turn to rioting. Sometimes it can get a message across, but you have to do it right. Many protestors come off like assholes because they can't stay on message and they have troublemakers in their midst.

Sitting around in a circle chanting protest songs does fuck all. Protesting and rioting (a very long, deep seated and proud English tradition) however does send the strongest possible message.

Honestly, has there been a single president in the past 50 years who didn't work to abridge citizen's rights?

Not one I can think off the top of my head, but for the most part I'd have to say so.

Jeebus Kryst!! Can you Puh-leeze knock off the gun crap? Not only is it annoying, but it's stupid to whine about something that no longer exists. Get the fuck over it!

DAMN SON your just gonna sit around and watch these fucking wackos like Bush piss away all of our rights as citizens, if you are even an American.

yes, but a lot of rights givin by our founding fathers have been taken away ( cough* bush, cough* reagen)

Like what?

Sitting around in a circle chanting protest songs does fuck all. Protesting and rioting (a very long, deep seated and proud English tradition) however does send the strongest possible message.

What message is that? The protesters are criminal shitheads who need a beating?

Sitting around in a circle chanting protest songs does fuck all. Protesting and rioting (a very long, deep seated and proud English tradition) however does send the strongest possible message.

Is the message that your group is violent and dangerous really one you want to send to the people who have riot police on their side?

What message is that? The protesters are criminal shitheads who need a beating?

Interesting. So what are your thoughts on the so called Boston Tea Party?

Is the message that your group is violent and dangerous really one you want to send to the people who have riot police on their side?

Well I can't think of any significant change that occurred via peaceful means. Even the Suffragettes resorted to violent protest.

Like what?

4th amendment is illegal search and seizure, right? Bush's illegal wiretaps violated that. Ed Meese, Regan's attorney general, was found to have violated the first amendment by ordering convenience stores to pull Hustler and other, lesser men's magazines off the shelves.

Well I can't think of any significant change that occurred via peaceful means. Even the Suffragettes resorted to violent protest.

Well, getting tear-gassed and beaten senseless might garner public sympathy.

Interesting. So what are your thoughts on the so called Boston Tea Party?

It was one incident in the escalation of a tax dispute into a full blown war.

Well I can't think of any significant change that occurred via peaceful means. Even the Suffragettes resorted to violent protest.

How 'bout Dr. Martin Luther King? Or Gandhi? The fact is that you want to appeal to the majority to get things changed. One doesn't appeal to the middle class majority by turning their neighborhoods into war zones.

How 'bout Dr. Martin Luther King? Or Gandhi? The fact is that you want to appeal to the majority to get things changed. One doesn't appeal to the middle class majority by turning their neighborhoods into war zones.

What about them? Are you saying that there was no violence involved in those protests?

You can influence opinion in a number of ways....

What about them? Are you saying that there was no violence involved in those protests?

You can influence opinion in a number of ways....

Not on their part. Fringe groups that shared the same goals as them might have gotten violent, but not their followers. You don't want to scare the middle class majority. They tend to call in police and military to stomp you down then throw a parade. You want them to empathize with you so they'll throw their votes and their opinion your way.

Well, getting tear-gassed and beaten senseless might garner public sympathy.

Yes indeed. As would hurling yourself under the hooves of the Kings horse...

It was one incident in the escalation of a tax dispute into a full blown war.

Sorry mate...but that is avoiding my question entirely.

Not on their part. Fringe groups that shared the same goals as them might have gotten violent, but not their followers. You don't want to scare the middle class majority. They tend to call in police and military to stomp you down then throw a parade. You want them to empathize with you so they'll throw their votes and their opinion your way.

Yet oh so many protesters come from middle class backgrounds...

Yes indeed. As would hurling yourself under the hooves of the Kings horse...



Sorry mate...but that is avoiding my question entirely.

I approve of the Boston tea party because it led to a war that they won and from that came the birth of my nation. If the British had won the war and clamped down on the colonies with strict and draconian restrictions and the US never came to be I might be a British citizen who grew up being taught that the Boston tea party was a foolish act committed by treasonous rebels that led only to repression and suffering.

The lesson is don't pick fights unless you can win them. Look how far violent resistance got the Palestinians. Look what happened to the Black Panthers. On the other hand, look at the freedom riders. Their non violence in the face of beatings and murders galvanized the US to abolish segregation and Jim Crow laws.

Yet oh so many protesters come from middle class backgrounds...

Fine, but their ideas are minority ideas. To win over the majority they can't try to scare them. That simply doesn't work. Violence is worthless if you can't win.

I approve of the Boston tea party because it led to a war that they won and from that came the birth of my nation. If the British had won the war and clamped down on the colonies with strict and draconian restrictions and the US never came to be I might be a British citizen who grew up being taught that the Boston tea party was a foolish act committed by treasonous rebels that led only to repression and suffering.

Yet it was a protest. Or is your statement regarding violent protest restricted?

The lesson is don't pick fights unless you can win them. Look how far violent resistance got the Palestinians. Look what happened to the Black Panthers. On the other hand, look at the freedom riders. Their non violence in the face of beatings and murders galvanized the US to abolish segregation and Jim Crow laws.

Do you think the Suffragettes thought they could win?

My knowledge of the Black Panther movement is not insufficient for me to comment I'm afraid. Freedom Riders? Once again I am ignorant of that subject...sorry!

Palestinians...that is war and survival....not protest.

Fine, but their ideas are minority ideas. To win over the majority they can't try to scare them. That simply doesn't work. Violence is worthless if you can't win.

Isn't it amazing how minority ideas become mainstream?

Violence is worthless if you can't win

Quoted again for truth!

It's not merely the Bush administration that's eroding our rights...it's the entire damn American government...

I say we all report it as offensive, just because I think that censoring a video against censorship would be funny.

Who's with me?

This is what makes America great. We're still able to stand up for our first amendment rights.

I looked up this "first amendment" thingie (I am assuming you're making yet another one of those quaint references to their constitution people in the USA like to make and incorporate into everything, no matter how irrelevant) and it says nothing about private companies, but speaks of limiting the actions of something called a "congress".

I very much doubt that "congress" = "XM Satellite Radio Holdings", or that which "makes 'America' great" in being able to "stand up for" these rights is in any way unique or notable.