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Not A US News Source ('http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,484716,00.html')

New French President Nicolas Sarkozy made immigration a central issue of his campaign. Now, his new minister for immigration and national identity says its time to start paying immigrants to leave the country.

France’s new Immigration, Integration and National Identity Minister, Brice Hortefeux toured Charles de Gaulle airport on his first day on the job. He has said he intends to pay more immigrants to return home.

France is home to over 5 million immigrants — and the new conservative-led government doesn’t plan on making things any more comfortable for them. While the new regime in Paris is determined to curb illegal immigration, it is also looking to encourage legal migrants to reconsider their decision to stay in France — by paying them to go back home. ...

Under the scheme, Paris will provide each family with a nest egg of €6,000 ($8,000) for when they go back to their country of origin. A similar scheme, which was introduced in 2005 and 2006, was taken up by around 3,000 families.

Considering how few took the opportunity to "go home for money" the last time, what makes Sarkozy think that this will work this time around?

Or is he planning to make this an involuntary thing, and put a check in the hands of people he forcibly repatriates?

Interesting, I hadn't heard about this. I guess I'll have to go home and listen to the French pundits bitching about it on TV.

And you thought the US Immigration plan was crazy

Oh I never did, I just thought everyone around me was batshit insane...Now I'm sure...we're all Batshit insane

He'll probably give them a free ticket on the Eurostar.

I can see it now:

*French police round up immigrants*

"Ok, ok! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! Ok?"

Need I point out that this is basically the BNP policy in action...

What's wrong about that thing? The 3000 who took the last offer are probably or at least hopefully happy with that deal.

The money is peanuts for France compared to paying a integration failure family staying there via their social suport system.

And HTF is one suposed if one will like staying in a foreign country?

Good policy! It means more freedom. - BTW have you tried to imagine how hard it might be, to raise money to get home, once you 're stranded on a wrong continent?

why does this sound more like an opening shot rather than a final solution to me?

why does this sound more like an opening shot rather than a final solution to me?

Owww...

Here in Independent Alberta, we just ship our unwanted (poor) to BC...pay for their bus tickets and everything. I suppose France is just following in our glorious, independent, sovereign Western steps:p

*what? Alberta hasn't separated yet? Shit.*

What's so bad about offering people money to do what you want them to do?

What's so bad about offering people money to do what you want them to do?

Well, the last time they tried it, only 3000 people took them up on it.

Well, the last time they tried it, only 3000 people took them up on it.

Well, then they have to pay more. Let the market decide and all that.

thats what they get for electing a conservative leader....unforchanet.

Lets take in consideration tho, making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening

What's so bad about offering people money to do what you want them to do?

the nature of what they want them to do, mainly

the nature of what they want them to do, mainly

I don't see it that way. If someone offered me enough money to leave my current residence and live elsewhere I'd consider the offer. I wouldn't feel insulted or anything. If they wanted me to leave the US it would cost them a shitload of money though.

I don't see it that way. If someone offered me enough money to leave my current residence and live elsewhere I'd consider the offer. I wouldn't feel insulted or anything. If they wanted me to leave the US it would cost them a shitload of money though.

But can the government offer a whole shitload of money to every immigrant family?, it seems rather expensive...

And it does seem like a nice way of telling someone to get the hell out, because we don't like you or you don't look like us thus we cannot trust you.

I don't see it that way. If someone offered me enough money to leave my current residence and live elsewhere I'd consider the offer. I wouldn't feel insulted or anything. If they wanted me to leave the US it would cost them a shitload of money though.

and the question of why the are making such an offer wouldn't enter your head?

and the question of why the are making such an offer wouldn't enter your head?

Maybe, maybe not. As long as it's not preparation for a genocide or something similarly criminal I wouldn't care. If, for example, my neighbors didn't want a guy of Italian descent living in the neighborhood, and they offered me money to leave, I'd leave for the right amount of cash.

But can the government offer a whole shitload of money to every immigrant family?, it seems rather expensive...

And it does seem like a nice way of telling someone to get the hell out, because we don't like you or you don't look like us thus we cannot trust you.

Well, if they want them out badly enough they'll find the money. If they can't find the money, they have to live with the immigrants.

If, for example, my neighbors didn't want a guy of Italian descent living in the neighborhood, and they offered me money to leave, I'd leave for the right amount of cash.

right, so we've established that you have a price. so would most people, i assume. but the question is, is it right for the neighbors to hate italians? should we allow and encourage their hatred?

right, so we've established that you have a price. so would most people, i assume. but the question is, is it right for the neighbors to hate italians? should we allow and encourage their hatred?

It may be wrong, but it's their right. The right to one's own opinions and one's own preferences is a basic tennent of Western civilization, isn't it? And I'm not above profiting from their hatred so long as they don't violate the rights of others.

8 thousand USD? And people accepted that? Damn people are stupid.

I wouldn't settle for anything less than 50k.

8 thousand USD? And people accepted that? Damn people are stupid.

I wouldn't settle for anything less than 50k.

If it goes high enough, I'll make regular trips to France, just to get paid to leave.

It may be wrong, but it's their right. The right to one's own opinions and one's own preferences is a basic tennent of Western civilization, isn't it?

only if jim crow was the embodiment of a basic tenet of western civilization

only if jim crow was the embodiment of a basic tenet of western civilization

Jim Crow violated people's rights. People are entitled to believe that their racial or religious group is superior, they're just not allowed to infringe on the "inferior" group's rights.

Jim Crow violated people's rights. People are entitled to believe that their racial or religious group is superior, they're just not allowed to infringe on the "inferior" group's rights.

QFT.

I agree with him 100%. I don't see why everyone is all worked up about this. Who cares? We've all seen the people of France riot and bitch before. If the people of France don't like this idea I'm sure they will let their government, and the world, know it. If the people of France want and like this idea, who are any of you to judge what they want. I also see nothing wrong with paying someone to do something you want. I get paid for doing something someone wants me to do 5 nights a week.

QFT.

I agree with him 100%. I don't see why everyone is all worked up about this. Who cares? We've all seen the people of France riot and bitch before. If the people of France don't like this idea I'm sure they will let their government, and the world, know it. If the people of France want and like this idea, who are any of you to judge what they want. I also see nothing wrong with paying someone to do something you want. I get paid for doing something someone wants me to do 5 nights a week.

while wage labor has its own issues, the idea that a government-run 'darkies go home' campaign doesn't strike you as a bit disturbing is shocking to me. even if it was the case that this wouldn't encourage racist fucktards to act like racist fucktards are wont to do, it's fucking atrocious in its own right. of course, we know from decades of experience that official sanction like this just gets the racist fucktards even more fired up for violence. authoritarians generally, actually. (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/)

Actually, this is much better than "deport them all!"

At least here, while the motive is disgusting, the ultimate choice lies with the immigrant.

while wage labor has its own issues, the idea that a government-run 'darkies go home' campaign doesn't strike you as a bit disturbing is shocking to me. even if it was the case that this wouldn't encourage racist fucktards to act like racist fucktards are wont to do, it's fucking atrocious in its own right. of course, we know from decades of experience that official sanction like this just gets the racist fucktards even more fired up for violence. authoritarians generally, actually. (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/)

Everything encourages racist fucktards. That's why they're fucktards.

If the government of France, representing the people of France, wants to pay immigrants to leave it's really not all that big of a deal. Doesn't reflect well on the nation, but it's not like they're rounding them up and deporting them. They're offering an incentive and letting the individual immigrants choose.