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Theodore Roosevelt was elected in 1912, while Mussolini formed his government in 1922. The two had very similiar ideas in many areas. Does anyone else think that Mussolini's fascism was inspired by Theodore Roosevelt?

Haha! No.

Mussolini, an ex-Communist, was mostly inspired by, in no particular order:

Futurism, Fiume and D'Annunzio, corporatism, the Roman Empire, Italian nationalism, Garibaldi, Communism and the Soviet Union, and the post-war strife that siezed all of Europe.

Teddy Roosevelt has nothing at all to do with Musso and Fascism. :)

EDIT:

In addition, your dating is wrong. Mussolini's Fasci di Combattimento party was created on March 23, 1919, and is a continuation of an earlier party, the Fasci d'Azione Rivoluzionaria.

So perhaps you should reverse your question... or take the time to have a dabble on Wikipedia. ;)

Well, Mussolini was a socialist before WW1, and fascism developed out of a vague mix of his socialism (which got more and more abandoned) and what he had came to believe in during WW1.

So I'm not really sure what influence you think Roosevelt would have had...

Well, Mussolini was a socialist before WW1, and fascism developed out of a vague mix of his socialism (which got more and more abandoned) and what he had came to believe in during WW1.

So I'm not really sure what influence you think Roosevelt would have had...

Yes, he WAS a socialist, but then he turned anti-socialist. I will agree that his government was essentially a welfare-state, which the socialists liked, but that is just part of Italian culture. Italy has been that way from the beginning.

Theodore Roosevelt? Naw I think you meant Franklin Roosevelt.

And if you did indeed mean FDR then I think it' the other way around. FDR was inspired by Mussolini. Damed Facsists.

Theodore Roosevelt? Naw I think you meant Franklin Roosevelt.

And if you did indeed mean FDR then I think it' the other way around. FDR was inspired by Mussolini. Damed Facsists.

No, I meant Theodore. FDR did gain inspiration for his New Deal policies from Mussolini, but he also imitated the Soviet Union, so I hesitate to use FDR as a comparision. Although, his War Industries Board did resemble one of the Italian Corporate councils, Theodore was more closely aligned with Mussolini ideologically. Both were extreme nationalists who were always eager for war, while FDR was an internationalist who only wanted war with Germany. Both TR and Mussolini believed that the state needed to take a strong role in guiding the economy. So did FDR, but he went about it in a different way. Teddy was careful to make the distinction between good trusts and bad trusts. By doing so, he did not align himself with the socialists who represent the working class, nor the capitalists who represented those who control the capital. Instead he wielded power to guide industry in the best interests of the whole nation, much as Mussolini did.

Yes, he WAS a socialist, but then he turned anti-socialist.

Yes.

Hence "was a socialist before WW1, and fascism developed out of a vague mix of his socialism (which got more and more abandoned)"

It really wasn't that difficult of a post to understand.

Theodore Roosevelt was elected in 1912, while Mussolini formed his government in 1922. The two had very similiar ideas in many areas. Does anyone else think that Mussolini's fascism was inspired by Theodore Roosevelt?

Can I have whatever pills your taking? They sound extreme.

Not to mention the fact that TR wasn't even elected in 1912. Wilson won over a convention-rigged Republican Taft and TR's Bull Moose 3rd party. The split Republicans helped Wilson win.

TR took over from McKinley in 1901 and won in his own right in 1904. Taft, his hand-picked successor, served 08-12, when TR mounted a comeback when Taft failed to follow his ideals.

TR was Progressive, not Fascist.

The two had very similiar ideas in many areas.

name them

Well Mussolini was actually very much into theories of social statis collectivism and the like, it's actually speculated that without the rise of Nazism and the overbearing arm of Hilter over european politics, that Mussolini wouldn't have gone off the right-wing diving board, in the end he was pretty much forced to implement the race laws and deport jews, even though he didn't want to.