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So, I've been meaning to start this thread for a while, but the Dante thread finally got me to. Is it better to serve in Heaven or reign in Hell, assuming they exist?

I'm going with reigning.

What makes you think you would reign?

After all, Hell is where all the cool people go.

Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company.

Boring people go to Heaven.

Heaven Or Hell

Let's Rock!

Oddly enough, despite my rather stringent sense of morality, I'd prefer to reign in Hell.
I don't know; Heaven in the traditional form has always sounded a bit boring to me, unless they have great philosophers, mathematicians and physicists there, in which case I'll happily volunteer for Heaven.

Also, Hell has all the good tunes.

The poll is obviously bias, and so I refuse to vote.

Reign in Hell. Hell can't torment the guy on top.

serve in heaven.

geez no matter how great it might be to be the boss, its still hell.

no matter how disappointing it might be to be an underling, its still heaven.

Reign in both, and on earth. I'm not one to set the bar low when it comes to dominating planes of existence.

I'd rather haunt the living and have fun with them. Say hello to Wilgrove the Poltergeist! :D

I'd rather haunt the living and have fun with them. Say hello to Wilgrove the Poltergeist! :D

You'd spend all your time in the girls changing room and you know it. :D

You'd spend all your time in the girls changing room and you know it. :D

Yes...yes I would, and I would also mess with little kids and scar them for life! :D

Yes...yes I would, and I would also mess with little kids and scar them for life! :D

I approve of and support this brand of supernatural terrorism.

Heaven and Hell are identical. Everyone is seated eight feet from a cauldron of soup and equipped with a ten-foot spoon. In Hell, everyone tries to feed themselves. In Heaven, everyone feeds each other.

I approve of and support this brand of supernatural terrorism.

I'll be sure to leave you pictures of what I've seen in the girl's changing room right where your partner (or future partner) will find them. :D

I'll be sure to leave you pictures of what I've seen in the girl's changing room right where your partner (or future partner) will find them. :D

Excellent, free pr0n!

What makes you think you would reign?

Er... A => A? If it's in the premises, it doesn't have to be deduced...

Er... A => A? If it's in the premises, it doesn't have to be deduced...

Fairly important question, though. If it's a 100% chance of serving in heaven, or a tiny chance of reigning in hell, and you've got to take your chances in one or the other, you're much more likely to be happy if you fail in heaven.

Fairly important question, though. If it's a 100% chance of serving in heaven, or a tiny chance of reigning in hell, and you've got to take your chances in one or the other, you're much more likely to be happy if you fail in heaven.

Well, you're asking a different question to the OP. He never posited that there was any element of chance.

That question is moot because if heaven and hell does exist you'd serve in either place. Overthrowing the devil in hell is probably just has impossible as the devil discovered overthrowing God in heaven is.

Besides, the popular idea of heaven is plain stupid. Floating around on clouds in blissful harmony while playing a music instrument... Whoever came up with that idea must have been high on something.

I bet the real heaven is a bit more fun and interesting then that if it exists, it is supposed to be a reward after all.


To answer the question I'd rather serve in a nice place then be responsible for a horrible place. For example a butler, gardener or chef in a castle seems to have a pretty good living standard despite being a servant.

Well, you're asking a different question to the OP. He never posited that there was any element of chance.

Then this will be a very short thread. Just click the poll.

That question is moot because if heaven and hell does exist you'd serve in either place. Overthrowing the devil in hell is probably just has impossible as the devil discovered overthrowing God in heaven is.

Besides, the popular idea of heaven is plain stupid. Floating around on clouds in blissful harmony while playing a music instrument... Whoever came up with that idea must have been high on something.

I bet the real heaven is a bit more fun and interesting then that if it exists, it is supposed to be a reward after all.


To answer the question I'd rather serve in a nice place then be responsible for a horrible place. For example a butler, gardener or chef in a castle seems to have a pretty good living standard despite being a servant.
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Then this will be a very short thread. Just click the poll.

Oh, I'm not arguing against other questions being asked; I'm just stating that it is a separate question, rather than an argument for a side on the original question.

... I often find myself debating the debate...

I'm ambivalent, as long as both mean I can retain freedom of thought. Whether or not that is the case, of course, is sheer speculation.

Fairly important question, though. If it's a 100% chance of serving in heaven, or a tiny chance of reigning in hell, and you've got to take your chances in one or the other, you're much more likely to be happy if you fail in heaven.

no not really. even if you are guaranteed reign in hell (its from a quote from dante isnt it?) you should choose heaven

its like asking "would you rather be mayor of detroit or a waiter in paris (or any other really great place)?"

give me paris any day. no matter how important the job, detroit is still a pit, im not living there.

Heaven and Hell are identical. Everyone is seated eight feet from a cauldron of soup and equipped with a ten-foot spoon. In Hell, everyone tries to feed themselves. In Heaven, everyone feeds each other.

And the engineers walk up to the cauldron and hold the spoon near the end ¬_¬

Who'd trust someone else to wave a ten-foot spoon loaded with hot soup near their face? Sounds like a recipe for scalding, blinding and all sorts of unpleasantness. Doesn't seem much like heaven to me...

Don't like people messing with your rules? STAY AWAY FROM ME, I'VE GOT A TEN FOOT SPOON AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!

And the engineers walk up to the cauldron and hold the spoon near the end ¬_¬

Who'd trust someone else to wave a ten-foot spoon loaded with hot soup near their face? Sounds like a recipe for scalding, blinding and all sorts of unpleasantness. Doesn't seem much like heaven to me...

Don't like people messing with your rules? STAY AWAY FROM ME, I'VE GOT A TEN FOOT SPOON AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!

LOL!
"It was a pun."
"A pun?"
"No, no, what's it called when it's the same forwards and backwards?"
"A palindrome?"
"Yes, that's it!"
Try this one:
A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked, "Is there really a paradise and a hell?" "Who are you?" inquired Hakuin. "I am a samurai," the warrior replied. "You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar." Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword. But Hakuin continued, "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head." As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked, "Here open the gates of hell!" At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed. "Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin.

"Serving" wouldn't be humiliating. Being heaven, not being able to change it wouldn't hurt at all, since there would be nothing you would want to change.

Hell is a bit trickier though. If the model we're using allows the "ruler" to change it (say to a continuation of earthly life) then being Ruler would be a big, challenging job, with the payoff of increasing the happiness of many souls for ever.

They're both attractive prospects. I think I'll go with "serve in heaven" from sheer laziness ...

Who'd trust someone else to wave a ten-foot spoon loaded with hot soup near their face? Sounds like a recipe for scalding, blinding and all sorts of unpleasantness. Doesn't seem much like heaven to me...
I think the circle feeding sounds like a fun game. Specially if I get the chance to stuff a spoonful of soup into the mouth of some preachers to shut them up.

Try this one:
A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked, "Is there really a paradise and a hell?" "Who are you?" inquired Hakuin. "I am a samurai," the warrior replied. "You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar." Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword. But Hakuin continued, "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head." As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked, "Here open the gates of hell!" At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed. "Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin.

Ooh, I like that one.

Anyway, I picked "Reign in Hell" because I probably won't be able to afford to go to a Stones gig otherwise.

I'm going with serve in heaven. Sorry, but I'd probably be a terrible leader, especially if my job were to torture the wicked for eternity...I become guilty when I step on a cat's tail, let alone harm a human! I couldn't do it.

So, serving in heaven it is. Besides, it's better to be on the good side of the big guy than the bad side, right?

Heaven has boring people.
Hell has overly friendly Succubi.
Case closed.

Heaven has boring people.
Hell has overly friendly Succubi.
Case closed.

Succubi have this tendency to suck your life out...your unlife out...whatever...while angels do not.

Therefore, angels win out over succubi.

Succubi have this tendency to suck your life out...your unlife out...whatever...while angels do not.

Therefore, angels win out over succubi.

Angels spend all of existence singing about how much they love god. Demons have some fun.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

Heaven and Hell are identical. Everyone is seated eight feet from a cauldron of soup and equipped with a ten-foot spoon. In Hell, everyone tries to feed themselves. In Heaven, everyone feeds each other.

What's that sound? Is it the boring monster venturing from his lair?

I'd reign in Hell. If Milton was correct, sounds like a fucking hoot living in a city of gold.

no not really. even if you are guaranteed reign in hell (its from a quote from dante isnt it?) you should choose heaven
No it's a quote from John Milton. More specifically, Satan says it after having been cast into Hell in the beginning of Paradise Lost.
Given the context that the line is given in (the Fallen Angels have recently arrived in a land made of fire. Yes, even the ground is made of fire) I'd choose Hell.
After all, Heaven is explored, static and rather dull (even Earth is preferable to the City of Heaven), but Hell is a completely new world to map, develop and explore.

No it's a quote from John Milton. More specifically, Satan says it after having been cast into Hell in the beginning of Paradise Lost.
Given the context that the line is given in (the Fallen Angels have recently arrived in a land made of fire. Yes, even the ground is made of fire) I'd choose Hell.
After all, Heaven is explored, static and rather dull (even Earth is preferable to the City of Heaven), but Hell is a completely new world to map, develop and explore.

Hell also has an awesome Causeway going direct to earth, through Chaos. A bit like internet delivery for your shopping, only for demons who want to torment humans....

Heaven Or Hell

Let's Rock!

I wonder who else got that reference.

That question is moot because if heaven and hell does exist you'd serve in either place. Overthrowing the devil in hell is probably just has impossible as the devil discovered overthrowing God in heaven is.

Besides, the popular idea of heaven is plain stupid. Floating around on clouds in blissful harmony while playing a music instrument... Whoever came up with that idea must have been high on something.

I bet the real heaven is a bit more fun and interesting then that if it exists, it is supposed to be a reward after all.


To answer the question I'd rather serve in a nice place then be responsible for a horrible place. For example a butler, gardener or chef in a castle seems to have a pretty good living standard despite being a servant.

This is Christianity. Fun and Interesting aren't allowed remember?

I'm going with heaven. I see nothing humiliating about serving someone deserving of service, and if God really exists and is absolutely good, well, then, I'd say he qualifies.

Besides, for all you people who suggest that heaven is boring, you should perhaps read the work this scenario is taken from, in which one passage suggests that heaven is kinda like the best orgy ever, all day, every day. :p

Angels spend all of existence singing about how much they love god. Demons have some fun.

actually they do not, some of them at least spend their time fighting wars.

I would serve in Heaven, mostly because of what Ashmoria said. Also, I wouldn't have a problem serving God, however actively working to torture people would be hard for me to do.

guys, first of all, i'm athiest. Thus,

IF their was a heaven and hell

one would go to hell for:
( just a few)
Being Good Looking
Pot Smoking
Cigarette Smoking
Alcohol Drinking
Guitar Playing
Having a Tattoo
Showing Cleavage
Showing Bellybuttons
Girls Showing Their Knees
Girls Showing Their Elbows
Girls Wearing Tight Pants
Girls Wearing Miniskirts
Being Blonde
Being Fat
Cursing
Kissing on the Mouth before Marriage
Holding Hands before Marriage
Having Premarital Sex
Masturbation
Having Anal Sex
Having Oral Sex
Being Homosexual
Judging People
Being Selfish
Playing Sports
Women Working
Watching BET
Watching MTV
Watching VH1
Watching TNT
Associating With Hollywood
Listening to “Gangsta Rap”, Techno, Christian Bands, and Rock and Roll
Believing in Evolution
Being Catholic
Being Jewish
Being Buddhist
Being Methodist
Being Protestant
Being Muslim
Being Hindu
Being Agnostic
Being Mormon
Being Atheist
Being Pagan
Being a Woman (they're still paying for Eve's sin)
Being In a Sorority or Fraternity
Owning a Pet
Sin, Have Sinned, or Plan on Sinning in the Future

of course all of these are very good reasons
so, when we all go to hell we will apparently see Jesus, Gahndi, Martin Luther King Jr

What's that sound? Is it the boring monster venturing from his lair?
He who fights with monsters might become one (http://i6.tinypic.com/14mcfpu.jpg)

Serve in Heaven.

Basing all things on the Christian concept of Hell.

That means it is rooted in Judaism.

Hence ruling in Hell makes you the manager, not the owner.

Making you a...servant.

So you can be an hourly slacker in the heaven...or Middle management in Hell.


Psssh, no question I am a member of the working class and always will be.

Because if the question is to serve in heaven or rule in hell...remember the Devil is work of God.

The boss's Chair is upstairs.

No it's a quote from John Milton. More specifically, Satan says it after having been cast into Hell in the beginning of Paradise Lost.
Given the context that the line is given in (the Fallen Angels have recently arrived in a land made of fire. Yes, even the ground is made of fire) I'd choose Hell.
After all, Heaven is explored, static and rather dull (even Earth is preferable to the City of Heaven), but Hell is a completely new world to map, develop and explore.

Those Brimstone shores...

We will make a Heaven of Hell, ...

That is in my opinion one of the greatest speeches in Literature. Milton captures the Devils most devious attribute...his charisma.

With his host laying prostrate in the sea of fire yet it is eaternally dark he Rallies them once again after being smashed and driven from heaven to eaternal tourment, Milton's words turn the Devil into an Anti-Hero that you find yourself cheering as he refuses to be defeated.

Greatest epic poem ever written.

Serve in heaven, I'm lazy so I'll be fine with not needing to do anything. Plus, I think everyone will have sex in heaven whenever they want with whomever because you can't commit a sin.

Serve in heaven, I'm lazy so I'll be fine with not needing to do anything. Plus, I think everyone will have sex in heaven whenever they want with whomever because you can't commit a sin.

Huh. I guess I figured you were simply UNABLE to sin once you got into heaven. As in, be physically (metaphysically?) incapable of doing it.

Heaven is better then here. We will not have any pains of live anymore. We finally can be in are fathers arms.:)

Huh. I guess I figured you were simply UNABLE to sin once you got into heaven. As in, be physically (metaphysically?) incapable of doing it.


I dunno......... if it's considered a sin or not there?

Satan is my hero.

i'll take the place in between them thanks

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than sing with the saints.

The sinners are much more fun.


Cookie to anyone who gets that reference.

Rule in Hell? What a short sighted plan that is. I'm more than happy to take an entry level position in heaven, and sleep my way to the top.

So, I've been meaning to start this thread for a while, but the Dante thread finally got me to. Is it better to serve in Heaven or reign in Hell, assuming they exist?

I'm going with reigning.

I'm going with Serving in Heaven... why? Can you imagine the bitching and moaning, and the greifing and complaints you will be getting?

"the tempurature is too hot!"
"The Brimstone stinks too much!"
"The pit of eternal torment isn't tormenting enough!"
"The temps too cold!"
"The Pilot light's out!"

man, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy...

I'm going with Serving in Heaven... why? Can you imagine the bitching and moaning, and the greifing and complaints you will be getting?

"the tempurature is too hot!"
"The Brimstone stinks too much!"
"The pit of eternal torment isn't tormenting enough!"
"The temps too cold!"
"The Pilot light's out!"

man, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy...

Too true. And undoubtedly, there would be plenty of paid holidays, company barbecue's and the like in heaven. You'd have to keep the company uniform clean, but I wouldn't imagine it's a very messy job.

So I'm really the only person who thought of Guilty Gear when I saw the title of the post?

And I'd serve in Heaven. Reigning over Hell would be like reigning over a cesspool. Who needs that?

So I'm really the only person who thought of Guilty Gear when I saw the title of the post?

And I'd serve in Heaven. Reigning over Hell would be like reigning over a cesspool. Who needs that?

Heaven or Hell....FIGHT!

So, I've been meaning to start this thread for a while, but the Dante thread finally got me to. Is it better to serve in Heaven or reign in Hell, assuming they exist?

I'm going with reigning.

If I have to serve, then I don't consider it Heaven. If I get to reign, then I don't consider it Hell.

That question is moot because if heaven and hell does exist you'd serve in either place. Overthrowing the devil in hell is probably just has impossible as the devil discovered overthrowing God in heaven is.


Rebuttal (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040228)

Still, I'd serve in heaven. I'd have to do no actual work that I did not enjoy. In Hell, I'd suffer as a leader.

Heaven Or Hell

Let's Rock!

I wonder who else got that reference.

You win the thread, as does anybody else who got it if I didn't notice them post.

better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

take that as you will

better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

take that as you will

What if you don't have feet?

What if you don't have feet?

then you have no need for shoes. Or socks, for that matter.

then you have no need for shoes. Or socks, for that matter.

I can think of other uses for socks..

I can think of other uses for socks..

thats it. No more porn for you.

thats it. No more porn for you.

I was talking about sock puppets!

Fidel Dies and goes to Heaven :

Fidel dies and goes to heaven. When he gets there, St. Peter tells him that he is not on the list and that no way in hell, does he belong in heaven, Fidel must go to hell.
So Fidel goes to hell where Satan gives him a hearty welcome and tells him to make himself at home.
Then Fidel notices that he left his luggage in heaven and tells Satan, who says, "No hay problema, I'll send a couple of little devils to get your stuff."
When the little devils get to heaven they find the gates are locked - St.Peter is having lunch - and they start debating what to do.
Finally, one comes up with the idea that they should go over the wall and get the luggage.
As they are climbing the wall, two little angels see them, and one angel says to the other, "My Godness!
Fidel has been in hell no more than ten minutes and we're already getting refugees!"

Heaven's higher then I was expecting.

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun" -Only The Good Die Young, Billy Joel

its seems to me that God doesnt send people to hell so much as they send themselves, headfirst.

its seems to me that God doesnt send people to hell so much as they send themselves, headfirst.

Let's see here, God chooses to send them to hell. For their sins.

But God sends them to hell.

Although that post was totally irrelevant to the thread.