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Rockhalla the legendary place from mythology where the loud and proud live on in eternal jam-session glory! Lorded over by Theodore Logan and Bill S. Preston (Esquire) the denizens of this immortal concert hall live forever in a rock filled drug induced haze; but alas, who is worthy of such a privilege?

This is the place where you can nominate, discuss, and argue the greatest rock and roll bands of all time!

Da Rules
1. You must post the band and why you beleive they deserve to go to Rockhalla
2. No Flaming
3. Because 2 just doesn't seem like enough rules

My first nomination is for the band Gwar. Rock N Roll is a revolution, it pushes the bounderies of acceptable society and sensorship, few bands have done it as well as Gwar. Big ugly men dressed as monsters being depicted eating people during thier monsterous jam sessions equal win when it comes to pushing the limits of sensorship. Sure they may not have been very good at playing music, sure they may not have bathed as much as polite people would like... but when it comes down to the marrow, they rocked!

The Jimi Hendrix Experience - they have the greatest guitarist of all time and revolutionised music.

Cream - they have the second greatest guitarist of all time

The Velvet Underground - because they are the best thing ever to come out of New York and possibly the greatest rock band of all time.

I have more nominees but I'll see who else is nominated first.

Cream - they have the second greatest guitarist of all time


and one of the best drummers ever


i shall nominate Alice Cooper and Metallica for advancing the frontiers of rock and metal

and one of the best drummers ever


Second greatest drummer. I'll nominate The Who aswell for their influence on creating modern rock music and having the greatest drummer of all time and greatest bass guitarist of all time aswell.

I have to disagree on a couple things.

1. Jimi Hendrix is the best guitarist of all time, followed by Eddie Van Halen, and Slash in that order.

2. Def Leppard had the best drummer ever... one arm and he could play like that!

I second all nominations however and have a few more

The Rolling Stones - They kicked the crap out of the Beetles, as proof I submit the fact that tehy are still on tour while the beetles had broken up decades ago.

Korn - Without a doubt in my mind the absolute best modern rock band out there, no exceptions.

The Rolling Stones - They kicked the crap out of the Beetles, as proof I submit the fact that tehy are still on tour while the beetles had broken up decades ago.
That's because none of the Stones were stupid enough to take in their own Yoko Ono. ;)

Excellent band too. ^_^ Ruby Tuesday FTW.

I have to disagree on a couple things.

The Rolling Stones - They kicked the crap out of the Beetles, as proof I submit the fact that tehy are still on tour while the beetles had broken up decades ago.



Plus being the greatest Rock band in the world. Gimme Shelter has to be one of the best rock songs ever.

Korn - Without a doubt in my mind the absolute best modern rock band out there, no exceptions.

Not too sure about Korn....I wouldn't say they were the greatest modern rock band out there. In fact I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top. I would say the best modern rock band is The White Stripes, who I put forward for induction into Rockhalla on the basis of being the greatest modern rock band.

Not too sure about Korn....I wouldn't say they were the greatest modern rock band out there. In fact I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top. I would say the best modern rock band is The White Stripes, who I put forward for induction into Rockhalla on the basis of being the greatest modern rock band.

While Indeed the White Stripes are very good, their style of music is very pleasing from a rockers perspective. But they have yet to prove they have the same staying power as Korn. I still stick with Korn, but I am biased there because they are my favorite band next to the Stones.

Also, just a general point - what types of rock music are involved here? Are we aiming just for Rock and Hard Rock or can genres such as Alternative Rock and Folk Rock be included aswell?

Rock N' Roll of all stripes. I was considering mentioning Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band and Buddy Holly.

*nominates Queen for general awesomeness*

Radiohead - the most inventive and influential band of the last 15 years.

Bob Dylan - created modern rock music and created the greatest rock song of all time, Like A Rolling Stone.

Television - Best US Punk Band ever

The Clash - Best Punk band ever.

Thats too hard a question.

Wow, whole lot of interest... I go home and poof, its a ghost thread.

Thus far these bands have made it into Rockhalla
The Rolling Stones
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Velvet Underground

Up for debate
Korn
White Stripes
Metallica
Def Leppard
Alice Cooper
Radiohead
The Clash
Bob Dylan
Television
Queen
Gwar

I nominate myself. I don't play any instruments and can't sing, but I can get drunk.

That's because none of the Stones were stupid enough to take in their own Yoko Ono.

Paul dying didn't exactly help matters either.

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Rainbow - For general awesomeness, and the first night with my current girlfriend to songs like Ariel and Hall of the Mountain King. Ariel especially is one of the greatest songs ever written.

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Bodies, you don't have to post in here, you don't have to read here, and you don't have to like it, I'm not making you. But please, rather than post that you don't like it just avoid it like the plague.


I never heard of Rainbow before but that means I have something to to sample.

Inducties in that i would have voted for in the order I would have voted:
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Rolling Stones



Up for debate in my book:
Korn: I like them, but putting them up with Jimi and the Stones...and Cream...Cream!!! I dont know. I suppose they can open some show for the boys.

White Stripes: Not proven. And i am a Michigan Boy.

Metallica: Hmmm If they had bowed out with ...and Justice for All I would agree but with the dribble they released after word...Nothing else Matters-->But the cash.

Def Leppard: I vote No. Strictly on the Cheese Factor.

Alice Cooper: Coop!!! I vote Yes. The Coop is preemminent shock rocker.

Radiohead: Abstain.

The Clash: Abstain.

Bob Dylan: I would dare say the greatest Rock and Roll writter of all time.

Television: Abstain.

Queen: Making Gay men cool everywhere for 30 years. I vote yes.

Gwar: ouch. I love Gwar. But I guess they can share the stage with Korn.


I nominate,
Pink Floyd: I think they speak for themselves. A pretty pretty bike.

Jerry Lee Lewis: Follow that.

Misfits(The original line up with Danzig and the whole lot): The godfathers of Horrorpunk deserve a place in the fun room.

Stevie Ray Vaughn: Expect more blues nominations from me.
But SRV could put is on you like nobodies business...The Alley is roughest place I know.

Black Sabbath, for being a great band and basically being the progenitor of Heavy Metal music.

It should be known that you don't have to be great to go to Rockhalla, you just have to prove that your band contributed to rock and roll.

I second: Cooper, Sabbath, Queen, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Misfits, Floyd, Stevie Raye, and Dylan.

I don't even have to mention Metallica

That will put Alice Cooper and Queen as the 5th and 6th bands to reach Rockhalla.

Metallica holds on to thier nomintation tenuously
Korn, The White Stripes and Def Leppard are still in but could fade if enough people press the matter
Radiohead, The Clash, Bob Dylan, Television, and Gwar are all well on thier way there
New members in the running are Stevie Ray Vaghn, Pink Floyd, The Misfits, Black Sabbath, and Jerry Lee Lewis.

Pink Floyd and Rush.

Also, are offspring genres of rock, like metal and punk, allowed?

I nominated the Misfits, and the Clash is up there. Metallica is metal and so is Sabbath.

So metal and punk would be cool I imagine.

I nominated the Misfits, and the Clash is up there. Metallica is metal and so is Sabbath.

So metal and punk would be cool I imagine.

In that case I nominate Slayer and the Dead Kennedys, along with Husker Du.

oooh, DKs and Husker Du. Nice.

You ever heard of Negative Approach?

oooh, DKs and Husker Du. Nice.

You ever heard of Negative Approach?

I have now. But no, not before now.

I'm suprised no-one has mentioned Led Zepelin or The Beatles yet. I'll put both forwards.

Also, I say no to Def Leppard, they just aren't good enough compared to other enteries.

I'm suprised no-one has mentioned Led Zepelin or The Beatles yet. I'll put both forwards.

Also, I say no to Def Leppard, they just aren't good enough compared to other enteries.

No Zeppelin. Just no.

No Zeppelin. Just no.

Why not? They did practically invent hard rock and heavy metal along with a handful of other bands.

Why not? They did practically invent hard rock and heavy metal along with a handful of other bands.

Yeah, but I thought this was for good bands.

Yeah, but I thought this was for good bands.

1) Zeppelin are a good band

2) Def Leppard are on the list. Are you really saying you would rather them be on the list then Led Zeppelin? I hope not.

1) Zeppelin are a good band

I disagree.


2) Def Leppard are on the list. Are you really saying you would rather them be on the list then Led Zeppelin? I hope not.

I've never really listened to Def Leppard. I'll go do that.

I think I'd like neither to be on there.

I disagree.


Well just have to agree to disagree then.

Well just have to agree to disagree then.

Indeed.

Neil Young (for being one of the best singer/songwriter/guitarists of all times)

Deep Purple
Scorpions


and for Led Zeppelin --> yes , should be on the list

Neil Young (for being one of the best singer/songwriter/guitarists of all times)


Seconded. Neil Young is brilliant.

and for Led Zeppelin --> yes , should be on the list

:D Zeppelin for Rockhalla!!!

I nominate Tool. Excellent musicians, excellent lyrics (mostly...not sure about Rosetta Stoned, but mostly...:p). As far as I see it, there are very few bands around at the moment that can touch them.

And I second Metallica and Led Zep. Yeah, Metallica have been wank since the early 90s, but they fully deserve to be in there for pretty much everything they did before then.

And for playing Master of Puppets in its entirety when I saw them at Download last year. :D

I nominate Tool. Excellent musicians, excellent lyrics (mostly...not sure about Rosetta Stoned, but mostly...:p). As far as I see it, there are very few bands around at the moment that can touch them.


I'll second that. I don't listen to them much but from what I have heard of them they are one of the most inventive bands around at the moment.

And for playing Master of Puppets in its entirety when I saw them at Download last year. :D

What's so amazing about that?

*Checks*

I guess it's sort of longish.

What's so amazing about that?

*Checks*

I guess it's sort of longish.
That wasn't their whole set. They played for about two and a half hours.

But I love Master of Puppets. One of the best albums of the 1980s.

That wasn't their whole set. They played for about two and a half hours.

But I love Master of Puppets. One of the best albums of the 1980s.

Ah. I prefer Slayer to Metallica, thrash metal wise.

Ah. I prefer Slayer to Metallica, thrash metal wise.
I'd say I probably do as well, but Slayer weren't playing at Download. I'd say Reign In Blood is a better album than Master of Puppets...but only just!

I'd like to nominate also :

Peter Gabriel: for his deeds in Genesis, and especially for what he has done the decade after he left Genesis.

Eric Clapton: for whatever he did (Cream, Yardbirds, Derek and the Dominos, ..., solo...)

And I'd like to stop the discussion yes/no Metallica/Slayer.

Bathory.

One of the founding fathers of black metal, and THE founding father of viking metal.

Nirvana, of course.
The Smashing Pumpkins, also of course.
Then there's Big Star, the 13th Floor Elevators, the Ramones
Ooh, and Napalm Death, the most influential band in the past 20 years.

Korn - Without a doubt in my mind the absolute best modern rock band out there, no exceptions.By best you mean worst of all time, right?

Radiohead - the most inventive and influential band of the last 15 years.Sure, maybe in England...

I never heard of Rainbow before but that means I have something to to sample.You've never heard of Rainbow? You should check them out.

Joe Strummer.

Rockhalla the legendary place from mythology where the loud and proud live on in eternal jam-session glory! Lorded over by Theodore Logan and Bill S. Preston (Esquire) the denizens of this immortal concert hall live forever in a rock filled drug induced haze; but alas, who is worthy of such a privilege?

This is the place where you can nominate, discuss, and argue the greatest rock and roll bands of all time!

Da Rules
1. You must post the band and why you beleive they deserve to go to Rockhalla
2. No Flaming
3. Because 2 just doesn't seem like enough rules

My first nomination is for the band Gwar. Rock N Roll is a revolution, it pushes the bounderies of acceptable society and sensorship, few bands have done it as well as Gwar. Big ugly men dressed as monsters being depicted eating people during thier monsterous jam sessions equal win when it comes to pushing the limits of sensorship. Sure they may not have been very good at playing music, sure they may not have bathed as much as polite people would like... but when it comes down to the marrow, they rocked!

Black Sabbath. They deliver a sound like no other. Stomping drums, heavy guitars, cool bass, and eerie vocals. Plus, they refuse to die.

Nirvana, of course.

Definately. I'll second them.

The Smashing Pumpkins, also of course.

Worthy as well. I can't wait to see them at the Leeds Festival this year!!!

Then there's Big Star, the 13th Floor Elevators, the Ramones

All worthy entrants.

Ooh, and Napalm Death, the most influential band in the past 20 years.

I wouldn't call them the most influential band of the last 20 years. In fact who are they and what sort of music do they play?

Sure, maybe in England...

Yeah in England. I can't really speak for anywhere else but I would definately say they are a more influential band then anyone else in the last 15 years.

Muse: Most kickass live shows ever. All four of their albums are relatively unique from each other. They could have been much bigger earlier if they had of changed their sound, but they held fast. All incredibly talented musicians.

Also, the D. Purely for the awesome. If you don't know who I'm talking about then shame on you.

Muse: Most kickass live shows ever. All four of their albums are relatively unique from each other. They could have been much bigger earlier if they had of changed their sound, but they held fast. All incredibly talented musicians.



If Muse get in, Radiohead should definately get in.

I nominate myself. I don't play any instruments and can't sing, but I can get drunk.
You can be the drummer.

Sure, maybe in England...
I know "maybe in England" is meant to be disparaging, but considering the English music market is the second largest in the world it's really quite an achievement.

Muse: Most kickass live shows ever. All four of their albums are relatively unique from each other. They could have been much bigger earlier if they had of changed their sound, but they held fast. All incredibly talented musicians.
They could've been bigger earlier if they hadn't released a (comparatively) crap first album.

Oh, and your second and third sentences inherently contradict each other - "all four of their albums are relatively unique" (which doesn't even make sense anyway) logically means that they did change their sound...

Also, the D. Purely for the awesome. If you don't know who I'm talking about then shame on you.
Shame on me, clearly. Although if you mean Tenacious D...

:sniper:

I wouldn't call them the most influential band of the last 20 years. In fact who are they and what sort of music do they play?

They're deathgrind. They basically started the genre of grindcore.

Worthy as well. I can't wait to see them at the Leeds Festival this year!!!That's awesome. Lucky you. ;)

Yeah in England. I can't really speak for anywhere else but I would definately say they are a more influential band then anyone else in the last 15 years.That's interesting, but not surprising.

I know "maybe in England" is meant to be disparaging, but considering the English music market is the second largest in the world it's really quite an achievement.No, it's simply to say that they haven't particularly influenced bands worldwide, or at least not really any over here.

Oh, and your second and third sentences inherently contradict each other - "all four of their albums are relatively unique" (which doesn't even make sense anyway) logically means that they did change their sound...


Not as drastically as the record label would have liked. They would have had to change the singers vocals if the record label had their way. The point was that they didn't sell themselves out in order to make it big.

Well, England is very influential in mainstream music.

But, given what I listen to, other European countries, such as Finland, are more influential.

By the way, I nominate Finntroll for Rockhalla. Not because they are paticularly influential, but because the sheer awesomeness of them easily qualifies them. Anyone disagree?

Also, is Rush in? Rush should definitely be in.

In fact who are they and what sort of music do they play?

What!!??!!

...of course an argument could be made that Siege were more influential than Napalm Death, being their direct inspiration.


Click Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRonZbYL3Yk) for a stunningly prescient leap into the future of music from way back in '84.

What!!??!!

...of course an argument could be made that Siege were more influential than Napalm Death, being their direct inspiration.It could be, but I said Napalm Death was more inspirational for being the band that people heard and wanted to emulate. This is the reason I didn't mention Repulsion there, either.

That's awesome. Lucky you. ;)

That's interesting, but not surprising.

No, it's simply to say that they haven't particularly influenced bands worldwide, or at least not really any over here.

As far as I know this thread isn't what is influential in America rather what is influential around the world. Therefore Radiohead should be in.

They're deathgrind. They basically started the genre of grindcore.

Oh ok.

As far as I know this thread isn't what is influential in America rather what is influential around the world. Therefore Radiohead should be in.If Radiohead is only influential in the UK, then it can't be said that they are influential around the world, in the same way that if I listed a band who was only influential in the U.S.

If Radiohead is only influential in the UK, then it can't be said that they are influential around the world, in the same way that if I listed a band who was only influential in the U.S.

Arguably Nirvana and Pearl Jam are only influential in the USA and Canada. Whereas the likes of Radiohead are influential in Europe. Maybe we should look at the fact that all three bands have had huge record sales in both Europe and the USA and therefore have obviously been listened to alot of people in the popular music market.

I have some work to do in this one.. hold off on suggestions for a bit while I categorize this stuff again?

The Smiths. Morrissey is a god, hence he needs to go to Rockhalla.

I also nominate Dragonforce; just so everybody else can beat them for all eternity.

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Keith Moon fucked up way too many times during live sets to even be considered the best. Neil Peart is far more skilled than he ever was, and has so much more variety in his percussion techniques.

John Bonham is far better than Moon as well, though I kind of dislike both, as they were booze/drug slaves...

New bands...

Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dragonforce, Deathgrind, Napalm Death, Finntroll, Rush, Muse, Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, Slayer, Tool, Led Zepplin (about damn time),Niel Young, Deep Purple (ditto)

Running
Metallica, Korn, Def Leppard, Radiohead, The Clash, Bob Dylan, Television, Stevie Ray Vaghn, Pink Floyd, The Misfits, Black Sabbath, and Jerry Lee Lewis.


Rockhalla
The Rolling Stones
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Velvet Underground
Alice Cooper
Queen
Gwar
White Stripes

Ok.. so lets try and get some people off the waiting list before we start adding more hmm? I'm going to go ahead an take the White Stripes and Gwar and let them in since nobody is arguing for/against them really.

I throw my support in for Dragonforce, Nirvana, Muse, Zepplin, Slayer, and Deep Purple. Those bands are all on my common listening list.

I don't know too much about Peter Gabriel... he was pretty cool but I am not in my mind sure that he has done enough.

I still support Korn.

Gwar? You're shitting me, right?

Gwar? You're shitting me, right?

My first nomination is for the band Gwar. Rock N Roll is a revolution, it pushes the bounderies of acceptable society and sensorship, few bands have done it as well as Gwar. Big ugly men dressed as monsters being depicted eating people during thier monsterous jam sessions equal win when it comes to pushing the limits of sensorship. Sure they may not have been very good at playing music, sure they may not have bathed as much as polite people would like... but when it comes down to the marrow, they rocked!

I shit you not!

Arguably Nirvana and Pearl Jam are only influential in the USA and Canada. Whereas the likes of Radiohead are influential in Europe. Maybe we should look at the fact that all three bands have had huge record sales in both Europe and the USA and therefore have obviously been listened to alot of people in the popular music market.Oh, I don't mean to imply that Radiohead isn't good, or undeserving of being in Rockhalla. I merely took issue with your comment about their influence.
I offer no objections to Radiohead being in Rockhalla.

New bands...

Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dragonforce, Deathgrind, Napalm Death, Finntroll, Rush, Muse, Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, Slayer, Tool, Led Zepplin (about damn time),Niel Young, Deep Purple (ditto)

Deathgrind is a genre, and not, I believe, a band.



I throw my support in for Dragonforce, Nirvana, Muse, Zepplin, Slayer, and Deep Purple. Those bands are all on my common listening list.


Although DragonForce is a good band, I'd say entering them into this is somewhat of a stretch. Maybe if they had lyrics that didn't make you want to steal their lunch money...

I toss my support for Rush, Pink Floyd, Slayer, and Nirvana.

Oh, I don't mean to imply that Radiohead isn't good, or undeserving of being in Rockhalla. I merely took issue with your comment about their influence.
I offer no objections to Radiohead being in Rockhalla.

Oh ok then. I thought you were objecting to them being in :p.

New bands...

Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dragonforce, Deathgrind, Napalm Death, Finntroll, Rush, Muse, Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, Slayer, Tool, Led Zepplin (about damn time),Niel Young, Deep Purple (ditto)

Running
Metallica, Korn, Def Leppard, Radiohead, The Clash, Bob Dylan, Television, Stevie Ray Vaghn, Pink Floyd, The Misfits, Black Sabbath, and Jerry Lee Lewis.


Rockhalla
The Rolling Stones
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Cream
The Velvet Underground
Alice Cooper
Queen
Gwar
White Stripes
First things first - let's not make a mockery of this - let's take out Gwar and the White Stripes, and just stop Dragonforce and Korn from being in it. Those bands aren't particularly influential, and nor are any of them even very good.

First things first - let's not make a mockery of this - let's take out Gwar and the White Stripes, and just stop Dragonforce and Korn from being in it. Those bands aren't particularly influential, and nor are any of them even very good.

Well, I like DragonForce, and I still don't think they should be in. Bands can be good without being influential. For example, it would be insane to leave out some of the NWOBHM bands, such as Iron Maiden and Judas Priest who were very influential, but I'd say it's safe to leave it, say, Samson.

First things first - let's not make a mockery of this - let's take out Gwar and the White Stripes, and just stop Dragonforce and Korn from being in it. Those bands aren't particularly influential, and nor are any of them even very good.

I think its impossible to put any bands that haver come about in the last 5 years or so in. How can they be influential when they have only just arrived on the music scene?

Also, whilst I do like the White Stripes, it would make more sense to put a more experienced band in, maybe Eric Clapton if he isn't in already. But I won't argue with them being there :p.

Korn I don't think are influential (or good) enough. Even if you do like them, can you really argue that they are influential enough?

Korn I don't think are influential (or good) enough. Even if you do like them, can you really argue that they are influential enough?Well, you could argue that they started nu metal, but then the argument would be was their influence positive influence? ;)

Well, I like DragonForce, and I still don't think they should be in. Bands can be good without being influential. For example, it would be insane to leave out some of the NWOBHM bands, such as Iron Maiden and Judas Priest who were very influential, but I'd say it's safe to leave it, say, Samson.
My point was...I think...that I would rank the influence a band has on other acts as more important than how good they are. Out of the four bands I mentioned in my previous post, possibly only Korn have been particularly influential (and, as Mr. Biafra pointed out, not necessarily in a good way). I think Dragonforce are ok, the White Stripes not so much, and Korn have produced some good music, but certainly on the strength of their music alone none of them are good enough to get into a hall of fame.

Is there a list of all the bands thus far?

Is there a list of all the bands thus far?
Yep.