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France joins US protest over UN nuclear chief's comments.
Wed May 23, 7:34 AM ET

PARIS (AFP) - France will add its voice to protests by the United States over UN nuclear chief Mohamed ElBaradei's comments that
Iran should be allowed to keep some uranium enrichment, officials said Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070523/wl_mideast_afp/irannuclearpoliticsfranceus


I guess Zarko is no Chirac, he is more like a mini-Blair. :D

Well I can imagine American Right wing pundits will be changing thier tune about France considering Sarkozy is a pronounced "Pro-American", (Read Pro-Rich Conservative countries)

I mean even O Reilly has ended his boycott of France.

Anyway, why shouldn't Iran get to keep some Uranium enrichment programs? I don't see why the Iranian people shouldn't be able to produce Nuclear power for themselves. It's pretty much the only way they'll be able to survive the coming Energy crisis.

Scale back Iranian enrichment, but don't try to end it all together. Not only does that punish the Iranian people more than anyone else, it would clamour undue support for the Iranian government nationally and globally.

I say, let Iran enrich some Uranium, but let the UN monitor the Nuclear facilities.

Good to see France has returned to a more reasonable kind of leadership. :)

All things equal, I'd say let Iran keep some uranium enrichment for peaceful purposes, but given that they'd probably just break the agreement and deceive UN inspectors, I think barring them from enrichment is the best idea at this point. They could be allowed to enrich uranium in the future if they show that they are committed to peaceful purposes for their nuclear program, but they need to build that trust first.

It looks more like he is backing a sensible policy that America happens to have too, rather than following America's lead.

It has been French policy for several years to support the US in case of Iran's Nuclear programme. Nothing new.

I mean even O Reilly has ended his boycott of France.

Thank God! Now the French economy can get back on its feet. Just imagine all the trade jobs created!

Thank God! Now the French economy can get back on its feet. Just imagine all the trade jobs created!

After I heard of that idiotic boycott back in '04, I made an effort to purposely purchase French products...

Sarko le facho alright.

(Noticed how his meager 3% surplus got hailed as a massive majority?)

Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition. Or to having their kids scanned for aberrant behaviour in kindergarten. Among other nice and sensible and beneficial-to-all right wing measures.

It looks more like he is backing a sensible policy that America happens to have too, rather than following America's lead.

People are going to be in for a big surprise if they think that Sarko is going to replace Blair as Bush's best buddy.

Noticed how his meager 3% surplus got hailed as a massive majority?)

In most democracies that is almost a landslide, particularly with the high turnout.

Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition.

Or, "elect us lefties, or we'll have a car-becue"

The "good sense" of French leftoids led to Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, and more recently almost 10% unemployment (about twice that among the youth), the Rwandan genocide

Or, "elect us lefties, or we'll have a car-becue"

The French riot regardless of who wins. One of the great, unchanging truths is that the French are never happy about anything.

Sarko le facho alright.

(Noticed how his meager 3% surplus got hailed as a massive majority?)

Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition. Or to having their kids scanned for aberrant behaviour in kindergarten. Among other nice and sensible and beneficial-to-all right wing measures.

Lots of justification in this.... oh yes. If in doubt, throw rumour, stereotype
and tired cliches about like confetti.

It could simply be that Sarkozy happens to believe in the policy currently pursued by the US, whereas Chirac exploited every oppurtunity to irritate Bush....

The USA needs friends! With Blair leaving and John Howard looking shaky in Australia, Bush is running out of real friends (friends bought with $$$ like Pakistan don't count).

Well I can imagine American Right wing pundits will be changing thier tune about France considering Sarkozy is a pronounced "Pro-American", (Read Pro-Rich Conservative countries)

I mean even O Reilly has ended his boycott of France.

Anyway, why shouldn't Iran get to keep some Uranium enrichment programs? I don't see why the Iranian people shouldn't be able to produce Nuclear power for themselves. It's pretty much the only way they'll be able to survive the coming Energy crisis.

Scale back Iranian enrichment, but don't try to end it all together. Not only does that punish the Iranian people more than anyone else, it would clamour undue support for the Iranian government nationally and globally.

I say, let Iran enrich some Uranium, but let the UN monitor the Nuclear facilities.
Nah, lets just Nuke 'em! Makes great TV!

Thats good news.

France should know its place and get along better with the US.

I guess Zarko is no Chirac, he is more like a mini-Blair. :D

France cooperates to help make the world safe from the madmen of Iran and you complain?!?!


What color is the sky in your world?

France cooperates to help make the world safe from the madmen of Iran and you complain?!?!


What color is the sky in your world?

Knowing OD, red with the blood of the zionist pigs. :rolleyes:

Well I can imagine American Right wing pundits will be changing thier tune about France considering Sarkozy is a pronounced "Pro-American", (Read Pro-Rich Conservative countries)

I mean even O Reilly has ended his boycott of France.

Anyway, why shouldn't Iran get to keep some Uranium enrichment programs? I don't see why the Iranian people shouldn't be able to produce Nuclear power for themselves. It's pretty much the only way they'll be able to survive the coming Energy crisis.

Scale back Iranian enrichment, but don't try to end it all together. Not only does that punish the Iranian people more than anyone else, it would clamour undue support for the Iranian government nationally and globally.

I say, let Iran enrich some Uranium, but let the UN monitor the Nuclear facilities.


Crash course in Uranium enrichment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

Of course I support permitting Iran to enrich uranium to the point where it is effective for use in nuclear reactors, that is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to take. Unfortunately, Iran has developed the infrastructure, and the ability to enrich uranium beyond the levels that are require for reactor use. They are developing Highly Enriched Uranium, whose only legitimate use is in atomic weapons systems. Iran cannot be permitted to have these weapons, and the UN should move to prevent it from being able to reach that point.

Personally, I would never take the claims of a third world demagouge at face value, unlike what OD seems to be so very willing to do.

Sarko le facho alright.

(Noticed how his meager 3% surplus got hailed as a massive majority?)

Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition. Or to having their kids scanned for aberrant behaviour in kindergarten. Among other nice and sensible and beneficial-to-all right wing measures.

Social demolition is just a charge the left likes to level at the right in an attempt to hide the social decay that they are responsible for.

Social demolition is just a charge the left likes to level at the right in an attempt to hide the social decay that they are responsible for.

"Social demolition" is not a charge the left is making, it is a threat they are making. What is meant by "Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition." is that if the French public don't vote "correctly" (meaning for the candidate the left wants), the left will start rioting.

"Social demolition" is not a charge the left is making, it is a threat they are making. What is meant by "Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition." is that if the French public don't vote "correctly" (meaning for the candidate the left wants), the left will start rioting.

That sounds civilized :rolleyes:

Spectres of Iraq.

This seems so reminiscent of the claims that Iraq had WMDs. The Bush administration just keeps repeating the claim ad nauseam, but there is still no indication that Iran is capable of producing enriched uranium of the require quality for nuclear weapons.

Let me repeat that.

There is no proof that Iran can make weapons grade uranium.

Nor have they kicked inspectors out.

The only people who are protesting the actions of the IAEA inspectors are the Bush administration and other plutocratic governments. But to my mind, the people who have shown themselves to be either dishonest, or willing to jump to conclusions based on little or faulty knowledge seem to be the Bush administration and other plutocratic governments. Not some third world demagogue, or dictator.

Just like Iraq.

Fortunately, there seem to be enough sane people in the US government that war with Iran has still been avoided.

"Social demolition" is not a charge the left is making, it is a threat they are making. What is meant by "Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition." is that if the French public don't vote "correctly" (meaning for the candidate the left wants), the left will start rioting.

I assume that you are discussing Royal's comments just before the past election. Perhaps you could find us a quote that shows her exact comments, so that we can see for ourselves?

En anglais ou français, ca derange pas.

It's okay. I found one:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070504/CPMONDE/705040488/6283/CPMONDE

Seems she was clearly stating that if Sarkozy was elected, the banlieues that he has consistently marginalised shall erupt into violence against his giovernment due to Sarkozy's brutality and concentration of powers. Then again, your opinion may vary.

That sounds civilized :rolleyes:

Again, the French will riot regardless of who wins. It's what they do. The scale of the rioting might be different, but they will riot regardless.

Of course, let's not listen to the person who lives in France, as he doesn't know anything about it...

Of course, let's not listen to the person who lives in France, as he doesn't know anything about it...

I think I'll not listen to you because you're from that dirty, dirty state of Michigan :)

j/k, j/k

I think I'll not listen to you because you're from that dirty, dirty state of Michigan :)

j/k, j/kLOL.
hey toi, le Michiganais.. esq' ils ont encore les ramaseurs de merde de chien -en motorise- a Paris? :D

Peut etre ca serait une idee por ramener a Dedroit ?? :D:D

I think I'll not listen to you because you're from that dirty, dirty state of Michigan :)

j/k, j/k

Which I will soon be returning to, thankfully. The French simply can't make a beer to save their lives.

LOL.
hey toi, le Michiganais.. esq' ils ont encore les ramaseurs de merde de chien -en motorise- a Paris? :D

Peut etre ca serait une idee por ramener a Dedroit ?? :D:D

Je suis allé à Paris il y a 2 jours, mais je n'ai vu rien comme ça. Je prefere habiter en Province que habiter dans la capitale. Paris est trop grande, trop sale, et il y a trop de touristes.

Pour nettoyer Detroit je crois que nous avons besoin de plus de quelques ramasseurs comme ceux qui sont à Paris. Peut être nous pouvons le passe au bulldozer et commencer à nouveau.

Je suis allé à Paris il y a 2 jours, mais je n'ai vu rien comme ça. Je prefere habiter en Province que habiter dans la capitale. Paris est trop grande, trop sale, et il y a trop de touristes.

Pour nettoyer Detroit je crois que nous avons besoin de plus de quelques ramasseurs comme ceux qui sont à Paris. Peut être nous pouvons le passe au bulldozer et commencer à nouveau.BTW ton francais est not bad at all.

LOL @ bulldozers cleaning toda la enchilada.

Thats good news.

France should know its place and get along better with the US.

Yeah, the French should know their place...do they not know that they should always follow the US into whatever idiotic war their yokel of a president decides upon? The French must be kicking themselves right now after turning down the opportunity to go on the fantabulous Iraq adventure tour...look at all they've missed out on! Civil war, religious strife, daily attacks on Coalition troops - what is there not to like? And all because they did not know their place and instead wanted one of those boring independent foreign policies that sovereign nations seem so bent on having.

Silly France!

Thats good news.

France should know its place and get along better with the US.
Depends what you mean by 'know their place'. I think that Chirac was an idiot, he seemed to like antagonising America just for the hell of it and always threw a tantrum when he couldn't get his way, the guy had no dignity. But I don't think France should 'know their place' by being America's bitch on every international issue, that would be having even less dignity. They should look at where that's got Britain.

Anyway, this news isn't new, even under the previous government France was always keen to make sure that Iran didn't get close to nuclear weapons.

Every country should be free of nuclear weapons. Is that realistically going to happen? I doubt it. The technology is out there and everyone wants it meaning that it will propogate.

Anyoone shitting their britches over Iran is just succumbing to the fearmongering and cannot see the big picture. Why isn't everyone up in arms about all the countries we are told are 'evil' that actually have nuclear weapons? Are there any governments out there that we don't consider to be corrupt? I can't think of any that I trust. The US is the only country that has actually ever used nuclear weapons on an enemy, yet it's okay somehow? Give me a break.

Depends what you mean by 'know their place'. I think that Chirac was an idiot, he seemed to like antagonising America just for the hell of it and always threw a tantrum when he couldn't get his way, the guy had no dignity.

Chiraq was not opposing the war for the hell of it, the survival of the Saddam regime meant more profits for French oil companies (such as Total), which had secured large contracts from the Saddam regime. France was Saddam's closest Western ally, and had been for decades (apart from 1990-1).

Chiraq was not opposing the war for the hell of it..
Neither was Zapatero.. Spain s elected President

I'm sorry, but mixing theocracy and nuclear bomb materials makes me nervous.

I’m sorry, but mixing theocracy and nuclear bomb materials makes me nervous.
Doesn’t make me any more nervous than nuclear weaponry being controlled by born-again Presidents or Prime Ministers who “only know what [they] believe”.

Chirac was not friend of Bush, and he would have done the same.

Iran is a case for the CIA to work its magic not for open military force. Have them give the youth in the country a little help and a little push to get sick of its theocratic paranoid leaders and the problem will be solved for us.


As for the new French president I'm sure no one is too surprised? Though I thought it would have taken a little longer for the asskissing to start, the guy has enough internal problems in France to focus on without irritating his people by making supportive statments towards Bush.

Chirac was not friend of Bush, and he would have done the same.are you saying Sharko would NOT have supported the Bushite War on Iraq ?

I guess Zarko is no Chirac, he is more like a mini-Blair. :D

Good. Sarkozy is doing the right thing.

All things equal, I'd say let Iran keep some uranium enrichment for peaceful purposes, but given that they'd probably just break the agreement and deceive UN inspectors, I think barring them from enrichment is the best idea at this point. They could be allowed to enrich uranium in the future if they show that they are committed to peaceful purposes for their nuclear program, but they need to build that trust first.

*nods head in agreement*

That sounds civilized :rolleyes:

That's French politics! And I thought US politics were nuts.

I'm sorry, but mixing theocracy and nuclear bomb materials makes me nervous.

Amen.

As for the new French president I'm sure no one is too surprised? Though I thought it would have taken a little longer for the asskissing to start, the guy has enough internal problems in France to focus on without irritating his people by making supportive statments towards Bush.

Ummm Chirac would have backed the US up on this as well. :rolleyes:

Thank God! Now the French economy can get back on its feet. Just imagine all the trade jobs created!LOL.. :D

that is sarcasm.. rite?

France cooperates to help make the world safe from the madmen of Iran and you complain?!?! LOL..
I am not complaining.. I am barely amused.


What color is the sky in your world?I took the red pill, so the color is variable. (depends on the weather and time of the day)

Good. Sarkozy is doing the right thing.

By kissing Beloved Dear Leader's ass right Corny? And you keep claiming not to be a Bushevik.

:rolleyes:

Neither was Zapatero.. Spain s elected President

No, his was a knee jerk reaction, believing that submitting to Islamofascist threats would make Spain safer. By all accounts, he has failed. The Muslims still want their al-Andus back.

No, (Zapatero) was a... believing that... submitting to...Neither was Prodi, Italian elected PM.

No, his was a knee jerk reaction, believing that submitting to Islamofascist threats would make Spain safer. By all accounts, he has failed. The Muslims still want their al-Andus back.

Oh boy Islamofascists

Let the sh!tstorm begin!

By kissing Beloved Dear Leader's ass right? :rolleyes:

I see you do not know the history of what is being discussed. If you did, you would not have made that comment. :rolleyes:

OuroborosCobra is right. Chirac was the guy who threatened states that would engage in terrorism with nuclear weapons, if what they did was bad enough.

It's not a secret that Sarkozy is more trans-atlantic than Chirac, but at the moment that just means that he doesn't disagree with everything from the States on principle.

Thats good news.

France should know its place and get along better with the US./rolleyes

Spain should know its place and get along better with US.
Germany should know its place and get along better with US.
Venezuela should know its place and get along better with US.
Italy should know its place and get along better with US.

I guess Zarko is no Chirac, he is more like a mini-Blair. :D

You realize that in todays political climate outside the U.S a nation's leader is either a mini-Blair or a mini-Osama Bin Laden?

Chirac was practically considered a terrorist...

ok...so I'm being Hyperbolic...perhaps

You realize that in todays political climate outside the U.S a nation's leader is either a mini-Blair or a mini-Osama Bin Laden?

Chirac was practically considered a terrorist...I see, the good old sith philosophy.

I see, the good old sith philosophy.

No, no philosophy...I'm just being a stuck-up jackass

Social demolition is just a charge the left likes to level at the right in an attempt to hide the social decay that they are responsible for.

Funny that's exactly what's been happening since the right wing government got to power in Belgium.

No amount of ass kissing will stop me from refering to France as...<drumroll>...CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS. :gundge::sniper::mp5:

"Social demolition" is not a charge the left is making, it is a threat they are making. What is meant by "Let's hope the French have the good sense to elect a left wing parliament to avoid further social demolition." is that if the French public don't vote "correctly" (meaning for the candidate the left wants), the left will start rioting.

No need to shit your pants: the last poll indicates a right wing victory in parliament as well. Hands free for watered-down Lepen-ism, the society you'll love.

No amount of ass kissing will stop me from refering to France as...<drumroll>...CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS. :gundge::sniper::mp5:LOL..

How'bout

CHEESE EATING ASS-KISSING SURRENDER MONKEYS. :D

LOL..

How'bout

CHEESE EATING ASS-KISSING SURRENDER MONKEYS. :D

Read up on what Chirac has said about this and you can see that it is no different. Chirac was no fan of Bush either.

Can't anyone do one thing that Bush doesn't oppose without being called a Bushevick or a mini-Blair? Next thing you know, you hippies and weirdos will be telling me that the sky is green because Bush said it was blue. Think for yourselves.

Anyway, nutjob+terrorist supporting government+nuclear=mushroom clouds. Lots of them. Sure, the United States nuked Japan, but Japan was a country of imperialistic xenophobic nutjobs and we had little-to-no concept of radiation poisoning back then. People even thought that a single nuke would burn up the entire atmosphere. Anyone who knows world history knows that. Just watch the history channel. That's what being an isolated Island of people will do to you. Now we live in a time when so many nations have nukes. Would France and China and India and Pakistan destroy their nukes if the United States or Russia did? No.

Would France and China and India and Pakistan destroy their nukes if the United States or Russia did? No.Humanity cant turn back the clock..once the first nuke was tested.
-pandora box-

(some Scientists) even thought that a single nuke would burn up the entire atmosphere. Anyone who knows world history knows that. Just watch the history channel. Yet we tested the Nuke anyways.
The Generals could not resist, they wanted see how awesome the new toy was.

Generals/men of War.. many of them are wacko (and I am not talking only about US)