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Another School shooting, this one is in Toronto...

This is bad, why are there a bunch of these shootings this year: Dawson College, V-Tech, this one and IIRC there were at least one or two more in the US this year :(

EDIT:yea so...according to wiki, there have been 6 school shootings in North America since September 2006

Dawson College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting)
Platte Canyon High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_Canyon_High_School_shooting)
Amish school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting)
Weston High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_High_School_shooting)
Henry Foss High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Foss_High_School)
and
Virginia Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre)

WTF? why so many this year? :( :(

Because the media glorifies this shit. They'll put the guy's picture up, air his manifesto any tapes he's made and give him his posthumous fifteen minutes of fame.

What's going on on your side of the Atlantic?? :(

You know how they stopped school shootings in Israel, don't you?

What's going on on your side of the Atlantic?? :(

Its only a matter of time before this fad jumps the pond.

What's going on on your side of the Atlantic?? :(

Clearly Canada needs better gun control laws.

Clearly Canada needs better gun control laws.

I think we'll be okay

Gun crime is relatively rare in Canada, which has strict controls on gun sales. One student was killed and 17 injured last September in a shooting at a college in Montreal.

I think we'll be okay

Here ya go (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/3825~National-Sarcasm-Society-Posters.jpg)

Here ya go (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/3825~National-Sarcasm-Society-Posters.jpg)

Damn...I am really dropping the ball at recognizing sarcasm today :(

You know how they stopped school shootings in Israel, don't you?
They shoot the Palestinian children before they get to school and then bulldoze it for good measure?


You asked for that.

If people do this for publicity then I really do pity them , Being famous isn't exactly a good thing most of the time.

There was a shooting at my high school when I was there, and it hardly made the news (this was 1990). The media are just glorifying these things right now. There's no reason to believe they're any more common.

How'd they stop them in Israel, praytell?

If people do this for publicity then I really do pity them , Being famous isn't exactly a good thing most of the time.
And it doesn't work. While people may well remember what you did if you go and shoot up a school, it's unlikely they'll remember it was you who did it. Unless you are somehow integral to the crime (it had to have been you for some reason, or it was especially bad because it was you), then it's just another school shooting by just another school shooting, and the shooter's quest for immortality will have been thwarted.

How'd they stop them in Israel, praytell?

I'd assume the same way Israel solves many problems, with liberal use of explosives, ammunition, and napalm.

How'd they stop them in Israel, praytell?
The faculty is armed. Simple, huh?

Because the media glorifies this shit. They'll put the guy's picture up, air his manifesto any tapes he's made and give him his posthumous fifteen minutes of fame.

Its high time the goverment prohibit the media from doing such things since its detrimental to a minority of school kids who think its cool to get on the news for killing students.

And it doesn't work. While people may well remember what you did if you go and shoot up a school, it's unlikely they'll remember it was you who did it. Unless you are somehow integral to the crime (it had to have been you for some reason, or it was especially bad because it was you), then it's just another school shooting by just another school shooting, and the shooter's quest for immortality will have been thwarted.

If only they realise that they'll be well known for a few weeks before people just stop talking about them.

Simple solution: close all schools.

Good luck trying to do a school shooting then.

How'd they stop them in Israel, praytell?
Knowing Myrmi, it'll be more guns. But then, if I were a policymaker looking out to reduce gun crime, America would not be on top of my list of examples to take from.

Simple solution: close all schools.

Good luck trying to do a school shooting then.

brilliant!!

The faculty is armed. Simple, huh?
And that's a great solution.

At the shooting at my school, it ended when an ex-con bus driver charged the kid sand wrestled him to the ground. Shooters stop shooting when someone makes them stop.

Its high time the goverment prohibit the media from doing such things since its detrimental to a minority of school kids who think its cool to get on the news for killing students.

No, that would be dumb.

Knowing Myrmi, it'll be more guns. But then, if I were a policymaker looking out to reduce gun crime, America would not be on top of my list of examples to take from.

America has a problem of fucking up everything. We have some freakish gun culture that causes loads of gun murders (And other places don't have this culture, and in many of these places it's not excessively difficult to get a gun.), some fucked up alcohol culture that makes the drinking age 21, causing it to be viewed as taboo and we have loads of alcoholics and binge-drinking kids because of it. America has difficulty doing things in moderation, apparently.

Its high time the goverment prohibit the media from doing such things since its detrimental to a minority of school kids who think its cool to get on the news for killing students.

yea good luck :rolleyes:

The faculty is armed. Simple, huh?

Goodt thing that Israel doesn't have any problem with violence anymore.

BTW: Did they do the same in Europe to stop school shootings?

You know how they stopped school shootings in Israel, don't you?


Bomb their neighbouring countries?

*thinks for a moment*

Canada invades the US! :eek:

Good. I hope he dies.

I hope the kid pulls through.

Good. I hope he dies.

Just out of curiosity, do you like ANYBODY other than yourself?

Good. I hope he dies.

:eek::eek:...wow....

Just out of curiosity, do you like ANYBODY other than yourself?

:eek::eek:...wow....

Nobody is innocent. Everybody pays. This is karma.

Nobody is innocent. Everybody pays. This is karma.

Yeah, but it doesn't make wishing death upon someone any less harsh.

Good. I hope he dies.

You should consider putting your ideas into practice and starting with yourself :rolleyes:

Yeah, but it doesn't make wishing death upon someone any less harsh.

Fine. I don't hope he dies.

I hope the powers CHOOSE that he dies.

Israel is sovereign to everybody. Well, except Osama ibn Laden (the ibn is intentional), Hamas, and all the fractured radical resistance groups in North Israel / Southern Lebanon, and probably all the imams who want people to keep coming to their mosque every Friday, and maybe all the countries with governments that radically interpret the Quran. So please do not insult Israel or its policies; they would just like to continue their existence.

Arming teachers is accepted policy in many countries in the Middle East and Southeast Asia, and it works. Generally, this is done not because of shootings, but because of suicide bombings that take place in schools. Cruel world. But hey, if you can shoot the guy before he blows himself up, it is better than dying.

Someone who walks in a bank with a gun is there for money; the police let him do it because they can catch him after the fact and it is easier to do so.
Someone who walks in a school with a gun is there to kill people -- the police need fast action plans and need to implement them as quickly as possible. It helps if the lunatic is slowed down; this can be accomplished easily by a skilled marksman armed inside the school.

Crazy people do not care about gun laws. Their presence is just a minor inconvenience; generally, other people can supply them with guns. The person who gave the Columbine killers guns is serving a few life sentences right now, but that will not deter others from arming them.

Therefore, I came to the conclusion when I was about 12 that the best gun control is no gun control. Allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons will probably diminish the length and ferocity of school shootings, because nothing can decrease the rate -- there will always be crazy people with some kind of access to arms and the will to kill innocent civilians and students.

That is just my opinion.

Crazy people do not care about gun laws. Their presence is just a minor inconvenience; generally, other people can supply them with guns. The person who gave the Columbine killers guns is serving a few life sentences right now, but that will not deter others from arming them.
4,5 years (http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0624dura1.shtml) and 6 years (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/518610.stm). No life sentences ;)

Therefore, I came to the conclusion when I was about 12 that the best gun control is no gun control.
So convicted felons and the insane should be allowed to buy firearms?

A little up to date:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/05/23/shooting-school.html

We are living in sad times when we have to worry if our kids are going to live through a day of school or not. :(

Fine. I don't hope he dies.

I hope the powers CHOOSE that he dies.

again

:eek::eek:...wow....

A little up to date:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/05/23/shooting-school.html

We are living in sad times when we have to worry if our kids are going to live through a day of school or not. :(

so the the victim died....:( sad.....

looks like the shooter didn't commit suicide...

Blair would not say if police have any suspects. He said there have been no arrests.

I hope he gets caught...

so the the victim died....:( sad.....

looks like the shooter didn't commit suicide...



I hope he gets caught...

I don't want to start making assumptions, but this might not be a school shooting of the 'rampage' type that's hitting the headlines all too often lately. It might be far more personal. (Not that it makes this situation any better.)

I am persuaded to say that this should underscore the need for far stricter controls on guns in general, and far more punitive sentencing where guns and gun crime are concerned in particular. I could even be persuaded to being agreeable to seeing an amendment made to the Young Offender's Act with respects to guns and gun crime.

I am further still very much of the opinion that those trafficking in illicit firearms, especially those who smuggle them into Canada over international borders, must be slapped down extraordinarily hard. This black market for American guns that threatens to pervade our culture must be excised.

Fine. I don't hope he dies.

I hope the powers CHOOSE that he dies.

Umm...


Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Just out of curiosity, do you like ANYBODY other than yourself?

he loves me;)

Because the media glorifies this shit. They'll put the guy's picture up, air his manifesto any tapes he's made and give him his posthumous fifteen minutes of fame.

Burn the media! :sniper::D

I am persuaded to say that this should underscore the need for far stricter controls on guns in general, and far more punitive sentencing where guns and gun crime are concerned in particular. I could even be persuaded to being agreeable to seeing an amendment made to the Young Offender's Act with respects to guns and gun crime.

I am further still very much of the opinion that those trafficking in illicit firearms, especially those who smuggle them into Canada over international borders, must be slapped down extraordinarily hard. This black market for American guns that threatens to pervade our culture must be excised.

Yup.

Yup.

I'm sure some here might be surprised by what I wrote, as I am actually thoroughly in favour of rehabilitation in prison, and not just shutting people away in tight little boxes for years on end. However, this ongoing situation with illicit firearms and young people cannot be allowed to continue unabated. Unfortunately, I think we all know that in this instance, like so many others, we can rely on our current Prime Minister and his band of dull, prairie yes-men to squarely take aim at all the wrong things and make a hash of it all in the end.

I'm sure some here might be surprised by what I wrote, as I am actually thoroughly in favour of rehabilitation in prison, and not just shutting people away in tight little boxes for years on end. However, this ongoing situation with illicit firearms and young people cannot be allowed to continue unabated. Unfortunately, I think we all know that in this instance, like so many others, we can rely on our current Prime Minister and his band of dull, prairie yes-men to squarely take aim at all the wrong things and make a hash of it all in the end.

Keep the current, (albeit expensive) system of gun registry in place, increase sentencing for use of guns in execution of a crime, attack the drug-related crime that fuels the increase of guns on our streets by liberalizing softer drugs and tackling hard drug use more aggressively, and concentrate on social spending to alleviate poverty.

It really should be simple, but undoubtedly we will hear more rhetoric, or worse, more rhetoric with cuts to social spending.

(I was very tempted to just say 'yup'.)

Keep the current, (albeit expensive) system of gun registry in place, increase sentencing for use of guns in execution of a crime, attack the drug-related crime that fuels the increase of guns on our streets by liberalizing softer drugs and tackling hard drug use more aggressively, and concentrate on social spending to alleviate poverty.

It really should be simple, but undoubtedly we will hear more rhetoric, or worse, more rhetoric with cuts to social spending.

(I was very tempted to just say 'yup'.)

Also, the government should fund more distinctively Canadian television/film/media projects to promulgate Canadian social values (in the increasingly vain hopes of offsetting the imported, foreign mass-media gun-culture crapola that appeals to children).

And they ought to stop currying favour with the lunatic-fringe militarists that seem to gravitate to the western prairies - unless they actually really prefer being a regional, political rump end comprised of jeering, tinfoil hat-wearing gun nuts living in or around Red Deer.

Also, the government should fund more distinctively Canadian television/film/media projects to promulgate Canadian social values (in the increasingly vain hopes of offsetting the imported, foreign mass-media gun-culture crapola that appeals to children).

That one's a little harder for me to buy. I would definitely like to see Canadian media become more competitive, although I don't think subsidized media is creating the type of entertainment that people want to watch. That, and the gun-crime thing up here seems to be primarily an urban feature, and more related to street gangs, etc. I don't think a new version of the Beachcombers or the Littlest Hobo would really solve it. (As much fun as that might be.)

And they ought to stop currying favour with the lunatic-fringe militarists that seem to gravitate to the western prairies - unless they actually really prefer being a regional, political rump end comprised of jeering, tinfoil hat-wearing gun nuts living in or around Red Deer.

Oh, there's plenty in Ontario too. It might just be a matter of relaxing restrictions on hunting rifles, and stepping up on other firearms. Hunting rifles are somewhat defensible... I really can't fathom a reason for anything else. If you appease the rednecks on the issue that's nearest and dearest to their hearts (next to fishing), then you should be able to hold on to the 'Red Deer' vote.

Clearly the gun either forced him to do it or sprouted legs when no one was looking and went around shooting all by itself.

Seriously, when was the last gunshow massacre or NRA convention massacre? You couldn't get off second shot if you tried it, there'd be more lead and pulp than carcass.

Clearly the gun either forced him to do it or sprouted legs when no one was looking and went around shooting all by itself.

Seriously, when was the last gunshow massacre or NRA convention massacre? You couldn't get off second shot if you tried it, there'd be more lead and pulp than carcass.

This was a kid who had access to guns who took offense to taking a firecracker in the head. This is clearly a situation of illegal gun ownership, and how to take guns off the streets of Toronto, out of the hands of children in particular. I'm not attacking gun ownership, I'm attacking irresponsible government that doesn't want to increase punishment for use of firearms in crime, or for combating the social problems that cause kids in urban cores from getting access to guns.

The NRA really has nothing to do with this.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/217313

This is directly from the Toronto Star.

Unlike the US shootings recently and the one in Montreal, this one doesn't fit the pattern for a typical school shooting.

It seems that student, Jordan Manners (who was shot) was involved in an altercation with the shooter before hand and that this was a counter attack and nothing more. No one else was shot.

The shooting also happened in an area of the city which is known for its rampant gangs. Shootings between youths are common in that area as well.