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An Egyptian lecturer who's specialty is the sayings of Muhammad has recently found a loophole that would allow women to remove their headscarves in the presence of men. It seems if a woman has breastfed a man there is no risk of sexual activity in the future, and they can be together while she takes off her headscarf.

Seems like an unusual solution to the problem of men and women working together, but what the hell?

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2236692820070522

That's great! :D

More breastfeeding=good
More freedom for women=good

Huzzah!

Eh?

would you really want to milk your co-workers?

would you really want to milk your co-workers?

Would you really not want to?

Would you really not want to?

It depends.

If the woman is hideous, and has hideous breasts, and is not wanting to be milked, it's not going to be any fun at all to go up to her and insist that I be breastfed.

It depends.

If the woman is hideous, and has hideous breasts, and is not wanting to be milked, it's not going to be any fun at all to go up to her and insist that I be breastfed.

But why would you want such a woman to take off her headscarf at all?

But why would you want such a woman to take off her headscarf at all?

Good point. I wouldn't even want to be alone with her.

But why would you want such a woman to take off her headscarf at all?

More to the point, how would you know whether they were hideous or not prior to the breastfeeding?

More to the point, how would you know whether they were hideous or not prior to the breastfeeding?

After all, there's a recent trend of some men wearing the burka, especially in the UK.

If you see someone in a burka in a hurry to board a flight out of the UK...

I have been told by a lot of Muslim women that he head scarf is already a choice as far as religion is concerned that it is cultural and not religious.
I have been told this by women in hte scarf and women who dont wear it.

Most of the Paki women around hear wear the head scarf, while a larger number of Lebanese women dont wear the head scarf...I might also add that the Lebanese women(amazingly high percentage of stunning beauties) tend to dress in what i would call rather sensual manner. I am not complaining, I am just saying is all.

The explanation I hear over and over is the Koran calls for modesty...and is interpreted from their. I am not saying its fact that it says that...but i will take muslim woman's word on the issue.

I have been told by a lot of Muslim women that he head scarf is already a choice as far as religion is concerned that it is cultural and not religious.


Seems to me to be a case were religion beats it's idea into a people to such an extent, they accept it as the norm.

I wonder if it would work if she bottle-fed him after getting the milk with a breast-pump?

okay, this is actually a religion we are talking about, women arn't looking for loopholes in it...

heh! excellent!

I have been told by a lot of Muslim women that he head scarf is already a choice as far as religion is concerned that it is cultural and not religious.
I have been told this by women in hte scarf and women who dont wear it.

Sounds pretty close to what I've heard. The exact meaning of "modest" is certainly different from culture to culture - and even from person to person. I have a friend who has chosen to wear hijab, but she doesn't seem to think of it as a burden or even as something she absolutely must do. She wears it most of the time but came to my wedding without one because her mother (who does not wear hijab at all) told her that it would be inappropriate to wear to the wedding (not sure why.

More breastfeeding=good
More freedom for women=good

Huzzah!

Huzzah indeed.

Sounds pretty close to what I've heard. The exact meaning of "modest" is certainly different from culture to culture - and even from person to person. I have a friend who has chosen to wear hijab, but she doesn't seem to think of it as a burden or even as something she absolutely must do. She wears it most of the time but came to my wedding without one because her mother (who does not wear hijab at all) told her that it would be inappropriate to wear to the wedding (not sure why.

Depends on the country. If you're in Saudi Arabia, and caught not wrapped up from head to toe, you'll be beaten by the religious police all the way to jail.

Depends on the country. If you're in Saudi Arabia, and caught not wrapped up from head to toe, you'll be beaten by the religious police all the way to jail.

And your point is? I'm fairly certain we can all agree that such rules are a problem.

And your point is? I'm fairly certain we can all agree that such rules are a problem.

Obviously, there are some people who don't think it's a problem at all forcing women to be treated like kept animals.

Obviously, there are some people who don't think it's a problem at all forcing women to be treated like kept animals.

What Kimchi meant to say was:

Obviously, all Muslims don't think it's a problem at all forcing women to be treated like kept animals.

What Kimchi meant to say was:

Obviously, all Muslims don't think it's a problem at all forcing women to be treated like kept animals.

No. That's what you wrote.

Projecting again?

No. That's what you wrote.

Projecting again?

First you called me a dhimmi, now you're saying I'm projecting Islamaphobia onto you, the genius who called for them all to be virally sterilized?

Well, can't expect much coherence and consistency from a Bushevik.

First you called me a dhimmi, now you're saying I'm projecting Islamaphobia onto you, the genius who called for them all to be virally sterilized?

Well, can't expect much coherence and consistency from a Bushevik.

You're the one being inconsistent.

After all, there's a recent trend of some men wearing the burka, especially in the UK.

If you see someone in a burka in a hurry to board a flight out of the UK...

yeah but how do you milk a guy in a burka?

Wait...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now you're saying I'm projecting Islamaphobia onto you

A friend of mine has a Llamaphobia...

A friend of mine has a Llamaphobia...

So do you torture him by taping his eyes open and playing The Emperor's New Groove?

So do you torture him by taping his eyes open and playing The Emperor's New Groove?

I don't know what The Emperor's New Groove is, but I think this would just about kill a llamaphobe.

http://www.webworksllc.com/Llamasong.cfm

The Quran is actually pretty vague, as holy books go. There are a lot of times where it is contradictory or just plain confusing, so interpretation can go in many different ways. You can selectively choose passages, and you can interpret broadly.

The Quran is also fixed, so it is like a firewall that doesn't get updated. Given enough time, you can do anything to it, which is how we get extreme Islamic terrorists, and also how we the most advanced civilization in the world during the Dark Ages.

So yeah, they can find said loopholes. And I'm not surprised that they do. It is one of the few ways to progress culturally anyways.

Also, I'm sure there is a scientific name for llamas that could make llamaphobe sound better. Let me check Wikipedia for that.

Okay, so the genus is Lama, and the species name itself is glama. Hell, glamaphobia sounds even stupider...never mind.

After all, there's a recent trend of some men wearing the burka, especially in the UK.

If you see someone in a burka in a hurry to board a flight out of the UK...

Well, if one person possibly doing it = a trend then, yeah, there's a recent trend of some men wearing the burka in the UK.

Then again, if you're sane, then there isn't.

Depends on the country. If you're in Saudi Arabia, and caught not wrapped up from head to toe, you'll be beaten by the religious police all the way to jail.

You don't have to cover your face in Saudi, it's optional. But yes, anything uncovered but the hands and face in Saudi is not allowed.

The Quran is actually pretty vague, as holy books go. There are a lot of times where it is contradictory or just plain confusing, so interpretation can go in many different ways. You can selectively choose passages, and you can interpret broadly.

The Quran is also fixed, so it is like a firewall that doesn't get updated. Given enough time, you can do anything to it, which is how we get extreme Islamic terrorists, and also how we the most advanced civilization in the world during the Dark Ages.

So yeah, they can find said loopholes. And I'm not surprised that they do. It is one of the few ways to progress culturally anyways.

Also, I'm sure there is a scientific name for llamas that could make llamaphobe sound better. Let me check Wikipedia for that.

Okay, so the genus is Lama, and the species name itself is glama. Hell, glamaphobia sounds even stupider...never mind.

There is actually nothing contradictory in the Qur'an. You have either
1. Not read it or
2. Not understood it's flowery language

The Qur'an has been accused of being several things, but being contradictory is not one of them.

The only things that can be ambiguous are the Hadith, because they are graded based all the way from Completely Genuine to Dubious and everything in between.

The Qur'an itself, however, doesn't mention everything, which is why some might assume it's contradictory because traditions that Muslims hold can often be interpreted in different ways because of different Hadith, and different rulings by different schools of thought.

An Egyptian lecturer who's specialty is the sayings of Muhammad has recently found a loophole that would allow women to remove their headscarves in the presence of men. It seems if a woman has breastfed a man there is no risk of sexual activity in the future, and they can be together while she takes off her headscarf.

Seems like an unusual solution to the problem of men and women working together, but what the hell?

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2236692820070522

I doubt they'll allow it. It's like, Indecent Exposure over there.