NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, considering the Congress just backed down over the deadlines for pulling us out of Iraq (I'm in favor of some sort of schedule as long as it has firm dates and is kept top secret)...

I wonder where they got the money for this show...

Aircraft Carriers Up The Ass ('http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070523/D8PA51600.html')

He invaded once... how many of you think he would do it again if he could get away with it?

And think of it this way - once we've invaded (which doesn't take long to finish), we're stuck there doing nationbuilding, etc...

I'm not particularly nervous about it, but I think an invasion would definitely be possible.

But what the heck did this have to do with anything?

"U.S. warships have frequently collided with merchant ships in the busy shipping lanes of the Gulf."

It's not like the article was discussing any conflicts with other shipping. And if they get in the way...Well, that's what HARPOONs are for.

But what the heck did this have to do with anything?

"U.S. warships have frequently collided with merchant ships in the busy shipping lanes of the Gulf."

It's not like the article was discussing any conflicts with other shipping. And if they get in the way...Well, that's what HARPOONs are for.

I'm not sure that a carrier would notice anything smaller than a supertanker.

IIRC, when the Belknap got thrashed, the people aboard the carrier hardly noticed.

does this me we will soon be able to draw lines on maps again?

*hopes to see smiley face countries and giant penises* :p

Bush coul try it again, but deep inside I hope he doesn't.

It would be pretty hard for him to do it. He would face massive opposition in the world AND the US. And I don't think the US Military with all it's might and technology can fight another war. There have been reports that the US Military is strecthed to almost a breaking point.

Mind you, if Iran is added to the last the US would have one big theatre of operations instead of two smaller ones :p

I'm not nervous. Whatever happens happens. No skin off my ass.

Well, considering the Congress just backed down over the deadlines for pulling us out of Iraq (I'm in favor of some sort of schedule as long as it has firm dates and is kept top secret)...

I wonder where they got the money for this show...

Aircraft Carriers Up The Ass ('http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070523/D8PA51600.html')

He invaded once... how many of you think he would do it again if he could get away with it?

And think of it this way - once we've invaded (which doesn't take long to finish), we're stuck there doing nationbuilding, etc...

I get nervous when I approach women, or take a midterm. Congress? Aircraft carriers near Iran? Who gives a fuck?

Not really. Iran can't do fuck all about it if they're invaded (well they can try, but they'll be getting nowhere fast), has zero force projection and despite the fact that people like myself will bitch and moan about civilian casualties, it's getting more and more difficult to care.

What's it to me if it's "100 people died in a multiple car bomb attack in Baghdad, oh by the way another fifty died in Iran, too"?

I mean I care and all, but when there's just so much of that crap going on, you kind of get desensitised to it. *sighs*

This is a show of military force, sort of the international political equivalent of swinging your dick around if I can be crass for a moment. I don't think Bush has the political capital left to go into yet another invasion and nation-building project, especially considering how Americans feel about it today. Military fatigue is also a factor; tours of duty for US soldiers have been extended several times already to keep numbers up in Iraq.

If Bush does decide to settle the situation through military means, I think he'll do it by using regional allies (well, there's really only one regional military ally, so you can guess what country that is.) The only alternative is instituting a draft again, which would pretty much mean death for the Republicans in the upcoming elections.

edit: I'm one of the people the government would send packing to Iran if a draft were reestablished, so I really hope I'm right on this.

The increased military presence is a show of force yes.

But it is also another thing, it is more feet on the dance floor to get stepped on.

The area of the world we are talking about is very small, and very dangerous for such large warships to be tooling around in.

Bush wont take the initiative perse' but what he can is put enough people in the way that an accident is almost unavoidable, and if that happens he will get all the support needs to invade.

It will be a fruitless invasion and of little effect for the long term, but more Americans will die needlessly, Iranians who have nothing to do with anything will die...certainly our British allies will feed the meat grinder...already angered by the taking of their sailors they would need little prodding to go slap Iran in the face.

I do also agree that Iran has no force projection, but this isnt about them fighting in some far off theater...its their yard. Last time I checked Al Sadr didnt have force projection either...he is still doing a mighty fine job of killing...and doesnt have a jet fighter or cruise missle or bomber or tank to speak of, and Iran is expecting us to attack...wouldnt you?

Patently,
I hope the Iranians know when not to call a Texas Bluff.

Because this dumb bastard is perfetly willing to send people to die with little regard for anything.

The increased military presence is a show of force yes.

But it is also another thing, it is more feet on the dance floor to get stepped on.

The area of the world we are talking about is very small, and very dangerous for such large warships to be tooling around in.

Bush wont take the initiative perse' but what he can is put enough people in the way that an accident is almost unavoidable, and if that happens he will get all the support needs to invade.

It will be a fruitless invasion and of little effect for the long term, but more Americans will die needlessly, Iranians who have nothing to do with anything will die...certainly our British allies will feed the meat grinder...already angered by the taking of their sailors they would need little prodding to go slap Iran in the face.

I do also agree that Iran has no force projection, but this isnt about them fighting in some far off theater...its their yard. Last time I checked Al Sadr didnt have force projection either...he is still doing a mighty fine job of killing...and doesnt have a jet fighter or cruise missle or bomber or tank to speak of, and Iran is expecting us to attack...wouldnt you?

Patently,
I hope the Iranians know when not to call a Texas Bluff.

Because this dumb bastard is perfetly willing to send people to die with little regard for anything.

At the very least, we know not to pay all that much attention to Ahmadinejad if he goes off about it, because Khamenei is the real one in charge. Hopefully he's more calculated than their own dumbass president is.

At the very least, we know not to pay all that much attention to Ahmadinejad if he goes off about it, because Khamenei is the real one in charge. Hopefully he's more calculated than their own dumbass president is.

The Revolutionary Guards naval patrols seem to be provocative and stupid enough to kidnap British sailors.

I guess we'll just have to wait until they do something at least as stupid as that, and two weeks later, we'll be sitting in Tehran, fighting more insurgents.

Nervous? No.

It's a stupid move though, if this is for the benefit of Iran.

*Wishes for a new and better administration before Bush and friends can fuck up anything more*

At the very least, we know not to pay all that much attention to Ahmadinejad if he goes off about it, because Khamenei is the real one in charge. Hopefully he's more calculated than their own dumbass president is.

I dont mean like that.
I mean some Iranian soldier with his dick in his hands who decides to take a pot shot at an American Jet who pushed a little to close to Iranian airspace...or a small minesweeper getting ramed by an Iranian merchant ship.

There are a lot of fingers on triggers right now, and i am certain the Iranians have the safeties off. This is the UNited States Navy sitting on their front porch...these men have been taught to believe they have a good chance of holding the line should the Great Satan attack...if you believed you could whoop the evil giants ass you wouldnt mind being about to say you poked it a couple times.

Not to mention just being scared you maight have to go war and accidentally fucking up.

Misreading a range and firing an AShM.

Anything could happen, and the more of us there are sitting in the bullseye the more likely something will happen. If I was looking to pick a fight this is exactly what I would do.
Let one Brit or one Yank get accidentally killed in some fecking mistake and we are going to attack Iran. Just hope nothing happens.

Looks like France has changed course on the whole Iranian issue.

Sarkozy sides with US ('http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708665310&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull')

Looks like France has changed course on the whole Iranian issue.

Sarkozy sides with US ('http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708665310&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull')
Sarkozy you fucking fool.

Sarkozy you fucking fool.

So, on a possible "next go-round" the US gets France as an ally...

So, on a possible "next go-round" the US gets France as an ally...
Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Sarkozy = pro US.

Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Sarkozy = pro US.

more like Sarkozy = Bush 2.0 from what I've seen

Not really. Iran can't do fuck all about it if they're invaded (well they can try, but they'll be getting nowhere fast), has zero force projection and despite the fact that people like myself will bitch and moan about civilian casualties, it's getting more and more difficult to care.

What's it to me if it's "100 people died in a multiple car bomb attack in Baghdad, oh by the way another fifty died in Iran, too"?

I mean I care and all, but when there's just so much of that crap going on, you kind of get desensitised to it. *sighs*

Iran only has to block, or pay somebody to block the Strait of Hormuz (which is the narrow gap into the Gulf. 25% of the world's oil goes through there... That screws the US six ways from Sunday. It also screws the western World, too, but if Iran was backed into a corner, I doubt they'd care a whole lot about that...

more like Sarkozy = Bush 2.0 from what I've seen

Will he last long if he does that, as far as the military is concerned?

Iran only has to block, or pay somebody to block the Strait of Hormuz (which is the narrow gap into the Gulf. 25% of the world's oil goes through there... That screws the US six ways from Sunday. It also screws the western World, too, but if Iran was backed into a corner, I doubt they'd care a whole lot about that...
A few years back, a few friends of mine shot up an Iranian frigate and some Boghammers. If we were provoked in a similar manner today, it's unfortunate, but I doubt our Navy would be allowed to retaliate.

Bush and this:http://www.rense.com/general13/tidal.htm

I'm out of here. Bye, America.

Well, I may as well join the Army just incase someone finds a way to get a Draft...-_- /sarcasm

Bush and this:http://www.rense.com/general13/tidal.htm

I'm out of here. Bye, America.
Sounds like a good way to corner the market on beachfront property.

Well, considering the Congress just backed down over the deadlines for pulling us out of Iraq (I'm in favor of some sort of schedule as long as it has firm dates and is kept top secret)...

I wonder where they got the money for this show...

Aircraft Carriers Up The Ass ('http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070523/D8PA51600.html')

He invaded once... how many of you think he would do it again if he could get away with it?

And think of it this way - once we've invaded (which doesn't take long to finish), we're stuck there doing nationbuilding, etc...

No...He must have learned from the Iraq debacle...right?...right?...please tell me he learned something from his mistakes...........:(

Iran only has to block, or pay somebody to block the Strait of Hormuz (which is the narrow gap into the Gulf. 25% of the world's oil goes through there... That screws the US six ways from Sunday. It also screws the western World, too, but if Iran was backed into a corner, I doubt they'd care a whole lot about that...

Iran couldn't block the Strait for 12 hours.

Their entire Navy could be sunk in less time. Including the complete destruction of any shore facilities.

We wouldn't have to occupy Iran after that.

...and in Iraq we would be greeted as liberators...



Oh, you weren't reading from a prepared speech? It sounded so similar!

...and in Iraq we would be greeted as liberators...



Oh, you weren't reading from a prepared speech? It sounded so similar!

No, we wouldn't have to occupy Iran because after we smoked their navy and port facilities, we could immediately leave.

Iran only has to block, or pay somebody to block the Strait of Hormuz (which is the narrow gap into the Gulf. 25% of the world's oil goes through there... That screws the US six ways from Sunday. It also screws the western World, too, but if Iran was backed into a corner, I doubt they'd care a whole lot about that...
If the western world really cared, we'd Exocet their ships back to the middle ages and move in our own tankers.

They really, really can't afford to take the piss at this moment in time, with the regime they have and the whole nuclear business.

Iran couldn't block the Strait for 12 hours.

Their entire Navy could be sunk in less time. Including the complete destruction of any shore facilities.

We wouldn't have to occupy Iran after that.

Like I said, it doesn't necessarily have to be them.

You could even do it by using fear tactics, simply blowing up a few tankers could effectively close the strait. Just take potshots every now and then and you'll get tanker operators saying it's too risky.

Even Iran simply taking its oil off the market would have a significant impact under current circumstances.

It wouldn't take much to block the strait, it's not very wide at all.

At any rate, it's not like the US is in a particularly good position to wage another war right now. Not that it'll stop Bush, of course...

Like I said, it doesn't necessarily have to be them.

You could even do it by using fear tactics, simply blowing up a few tankers could effectively close the strait. Just take potshots every now and then and you'll get tanker operators saying it's too risky.

Even Iran simply taking its oil off the market would have a significant impact under current circumstances.

It wouldn't take much to block the strait, it's not very wide at all.

At any rate, it's not like the US is in a particularly good position to wage another war right now. Not that it'll stop Bush, of course...

We can't wage a war of occupation.

We certainly can wage a war of destruction, especially naval and ground targets.

You couldn't stop the US from destroying the entire Iranian navy inside of a day, and destroying every missile firing position on the Iranian coast.

You can't close the Strait without those things.

It's not "too risky" if the threat is composed of men blown into carbonized chunks, alongside the wreckage of their anti-ship missile battery.

No, we wouldn't have to occupy Iran because after we smoked their navy and port facilities, we could immediately leave.

Sure, baby. Sure.

Good thing there would be no such things as fisherboats, rafts or dinghies to fill with explosives or use to fire RPG's from... Or even land from which to fire such weaponry. Gnarf.

Sure, baby. Sure.

Good thing there would be no such things as fisherboats, rafts or dinghies to fill with explosives or use to fire RPG's from... Or even land from which to fire such weaponry. Gnarf.

There wouldn't be any fishing boats after the port was destroyed.

Hard to keep up with a moving tanker in a dinghy, especially if the US Navy is patrolling the area.

Keep trying...

I don't discount the possibility, but really hope we don't invade Iran.

That would be an even stupider and more catastrophic blunder than the Iraq mess.

Hopefully the democrats have decided that keeping the army tied up in Iraq a while longer will prevent it from being misused in Iran.

There wouldn't be any fishing boats after the port was destroyed.

Hard to keep up with a moving tanker in a dinghy, especially if the US Navy is patrolling the area.

Keep trying...

:D

There wouldn't be any fishing boats after the port was destroyed? :D:D:D My god, you are silly.

Indeed, the fishing boats usually place themselves on a long line or in a huge muddle. No boat would ever be pulled ashore anywhere, that would just anchor at the port. Yes, yes, that is indeed how the world works. :)

And you're absolutely right, it is impossible to sail a dinghy near to a ship - it's not like it's happened to the USS Cole, so it can't possibly happen to a slow-moving tanker. No way. And also, good thing that the US would have the capability to stop and search every native raft or dinghy that the locals would send out on the sea to survive by fishing and such.

But you're right, I'll try again and you can live happily in those fantasy worlds of yours :)




You actually made me laugh! Cheers! :p

No, not really nervous...just bored

Sounds like a good way to corner the market on beachfront property.

The smart ones all have houseboats on their front lawn.

:D

There wouldn't be any fishing boats after the port was destroyed? :D:D:D My god, you are silly.

Indeed, the fishing boats usually place themselves on a long line or in a huge muddle. No boat would ever be pulled ashore anywhere, that would just anchor at the port. Yes, yes, that is indeed how the world works. :)

And you're absolutely right, it is impossible to sail a dinghy near to a ship - it's not like it's happened to the USS Cole, so it can't possibly happen to a slow-moving tanker. No way. And also, good thing that the US would have the capability to stop and search every native raft or dinghy that the locals would send out on the sea to survive by fishing and such.

But you're right, I'll try again and you can live happily in those fantasy worlds of yours :)




You actually made me laugh! Cheers! :p
Doesn't anyone remember how we eliminated the Iranian threat in 1988? Okay, none of you were alive, but you can look it up. It wasn't a big deal. We sank a frigate and some speedboats and it was over. The Iranian government is even a bigger paper tiger than we are.

The Revolutionary Guards naval patrols seem to be provocative and stupid enough to kidnap British sailors.

I guess we'll just have to wait until they do something at least as stupid as that, and two weeks later, we'll be sitting in Tehran, fighting more insurgents.

Considering that Iraq is considered to have far too few troops in it, where are these extra bods going to come from? Will each guy carry card-board cut outs each side of him, on a broom stick placed across his shoulders and try to shout in different 'voices' to the others?

Doesn't anyone remember how we eliminated the Iranian threat in 1988?

The Iranians were a naval threat? O wait, that was when the US decided to be Saddams sea-buddies, wasn't it? Them were the days....

I dont mean like that.
I mean some Iranian soldier with his dick in his hands who decides to take a pot shot at an American Jet who pushed a little to close to Iranian airspace...or a small minesweeper getting ramed by an Iranian merchant ship.

There are a lot of fingers on triggers right now, and i am certain the Iranians have the safeties off. This is the UNited States Navy sitting on their front porch...these men have been taught to believe they have a good chance of holding the line should the Great Satan attack...if you believed you could whoop the evil giants ass you wouldnt mind being about to say you poked it a couple times.

Not to mention just being scared you maight have to go war and accidentally fucking up.

Misreading a range and firing an AShM.

Anything could happen, and the more of us there are sitting in the bullseye the more likely something will happen. If I was looking to pick a fight this is exactly what I would do.
Let one Brit or one Yank get accidentally killed in some fecking mistake and we are going to attack Iran. Just hope nothing happens.

Reminds me of Thirteen Days (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146309/) heh, excellent Cuban Missile Crisis Movie.