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I've recently visited the Log Cabin Republican website, the things I do when I am bored out of my mind, and I went to their "About Log Cabin" page, and there I found this.

What We Believe

We are loyal Republicans. We believe in limited government, strong national defense, free markets, low taxes, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family—taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness. We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty and equality. We believe equality for gay and lesbian people is in the finest tradition of the Republican Party.

Now I am not the first person to argue that you shouldn't be fore a limited government, strong national defense, free markets, low taxes and personal responsibility, hell I argue for those things when I'm on here. However, I have to wonder why this organization, who want nothing more than to share their political ideals with other people like them are Republicans, espically when Bush tried to ban gay marriage. I mean wouldn't it make more sense for them to be Log Cabin Libertarians? They can be Republicans if they want, I have no problem with that, but why would you want to be part of a group that tried to prevent you from getting married to your love ones? Maybe the gay/lesbian community can explain it to me, because I am lost.

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that's probably all there is to it.
That and delusion.

Why aren't they libertarians? Because they're Republicans. :p There are more differences between Libertarianism and Republicanism than gay marriage.

Why aren't they libertarians? Because they're Republicans. :p There are more differences between Libertarianism and Republicanism than gay marriage.

I hear ya.
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libertarians also have no chance of winning...and are often just as homophobic as republicans, or even moreso, but refrain from bashing them on principle.

but refrain from bashing them on principle.

And THAT is important.

They can be Republicans if they want, I have no problem with that, but why would you want to be part of a group that tried to prevent you from getting married to your love ones? Maybe the gay/lesbian community can explain it to me, because I am lost.I think it's got something to do with changing the Repubs from the inside or some other such nonsense.

I've recently visited the Log Cabin Republican website, the things I do when I am bored out of my mind, and I went to their "About Log Cabin" page, and there I found this.


Now I am not the first person to argue that you shouldn't be fore a limited government, strong national defense, free markets, low taxes and personal responsibility, hell I argue for those things when I'm on here. However, I have to wonder why this organization, who want nothing more than to share their political ideals with other people like them are Republicans, espically when Bush tried to ban gay marriage. I mean wouldn't it make more sense for them to be Log Cabin Libertarians? They can be Republicans if they want, I have no problem with that, but why would you want to be part of a group that tried to prevent you from getting married to your love ones? Maybe the gay/lesbian community can explain it to me, because I am lost.

There part of a fine tradition of people who work to reform institutions from the inside. Like Jewish Nazi's, Black Klansmen, or Parents for NAMBLA. By giving credibility and power to a group of people that wants nothing more than to wipe them out they will gain that power for themselves.

As Mister Macky told Pip, "be overly nice. No matter how much they pick on you don't get mad at them. And see how well he's doing now?"

I think it's got something to do with changing the Repubs from the inside or some other such nonsense.

It's got more to do with them being angry, greedy, hateful, immature, cowardly people who happen to be in one of the categories that the republican party likes to direct it's fear, hate, and anger towards.

You see, it is possible to change a group from the inside. The Democrats were once the most racist party in the country, but they were the only party available to Blacks in the South. Now the Democrats are the party of civil rights, and the Republicans are the party of racism.

But that was because blacks had no choice. The South was basically a one party system at the time blacks got the vote. Gays do have a choice. But they hate others more than they love their own. So they are Republicans.

Now the Democrats are the party of civil rights, and the Republicans are the party of racism.

that's more than a little simplistic.

But that was because blacks had no choice. The South was basically a one party system at the time blacks got the vote. Gays do have a choice. But they hate others more than they love their own. So they are Republicans.

correction: so an extremely small minority of them are republicans. and I seriously doubt that hate is a stronger motivator than tax cuts.

The Log Cabin Republicans are primarily white, middle- to upper-class, and male. That's three great reasons why they personally benefit from Republicans in power.

And THAT is important.

I suppose. I'm gay and I don't remotely care if the government legitimizes my relationships or not. frankly its almost a point of honor to be discriminated against when those doing it are such idiots. and I'd prefer some plain old-fashioned republican hicks to creepy plutocratic libertarians. their goals aren't remotely for less control, they just object to government control because it impinges on their ability to be rich jackasses. I went to a libertarian organization's dinner once (they had caviar and wine and such outside at the reception, which was held in an extremely expensive house) and they advocated completely eliminating public education - not because the government was overstepping its powers, but because the government was protecting students in their schools from blatant religious indoctrination. they wanted the only schools in the country to be private christian institutions. I'm sorry, but the majority of the libertarians I've met are quite mad.

that's more than a little simplistic.

But not inaccurate. I'm not trying to write a thesis here.

correction: so an extremely small minority of them are a minority. and I seriously doubt that hate is a stronger motivator than tax cuts.

If Reagan, Bush, and Shrub leave you thinking that Republicans get you tax cuts then you're an idiot.

Hatred and fear are the only promises that the Republican party has delivered on. Any Log Cabin Republican who signed on for the Fiscal Responsibility and Individual Liberty has gone back to the Democrats. Only the ones who stick around for intolerance and Stockholm Syndrome remain.

I mean wouldn't it make more sense for them to be Log Cabin Libertarians?

Hey theres that word again!

Can anybody explain to me why we don't use the word liberals any more? I mean it has less letters, is actual proper english, and is far easyer to type!:p

Can anybody explain to me why we don't use the word liberals any more? I mean it has less letters, is actual proper english, and is far easyer to type!:p

in the USA liberals are for welfare and public schools etc, libertarians are against that and are for a small government and laissez-faire capitalism.

can anyone explain me what log cabin means? does it have some other meaning than gay?

in the USA liberals are for welfare and public schools etc, libertarians are against that and are for a small government and laissez-faire capitalism.

can anyone explain me what log cabin means? does it have some other meaning than gay?


Log cabin means gay?

I though that was iron?

Log cabin means gay?

I though that was iron?

wait? isn't this thread about gay republicans :confused:

wait? isn't this thread about gay republicans :confused:

Yes it is. The Log Cabin Republicans are a group of homosexual members of the Republican party. The term "log cabin" only means "homosexual" in this one particular context. According to the Wiki it comes from the theory that Abraham Lincoln was gay. The term "log cabin" comes from the story that Lincoln was born in a log cabin.

Yes it is. The Log Cabin Republicans are a group of homosexual members of the Republican party. The term "log cabin" only means "homosexual" in this one particular context. According to the Wiki it comes from the theory that Abraham Lincoln was gay. The term "log cabin" comes from the story that Lincoln was born in a log cabin.

Ahhhh so those born in log cabins are gay! Okay I think I'm getting the hang of this.

So if sterotypes are to be belived all Canadians are gay?

Hey theres that word again!

Can anybody explain to me why we don't use the word liberals any more? I mean it has less letters, is actual proper english, and is far easyer to type!:p

Because libertarians are kooky.

Ahhhh so those born in log cabins are gay! Okay I think I'm getting the hang of this.

So if sterotypes are to be belived all Canadians are gay?

No, since Canadians are all born in igloos, not log cabins.

Anyway, for anyone who wants to read what the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans#History) says about the name....

i don't get it, do they wan't everyone to live in log cabins or something?

I mean wouldn't it make more sense for them to be Log Cabin Libertarians?
Only of by "make sense" you mean "lose whatever small grip on power they currently have." Look, I'm the first to say that the Log Cabin Republicans are a misguided bunch as long as the Republican party is attached at the neck with the religious right. It's difficult to influence a group who thinks you're an abomination and would rather see you in jail than as a fellow citizen with full rights and privileges. But at least they have some small say in the Republican party. They'd become invisible if they joined the Libertarians.

No, since Canadians are all born in igloos, not log cabins.

Anyway, for anyone who wants to read what the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans#History) says about the name....

wow, wikipedia never ceases to amaze me, they even have a page on the sexuality of abe lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln)

EDIT: there is also a republicans for environmental protection group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_for_Environmental_Protection) isn't that equaly weird as gay republicans or not?

EDIT: there is also a republicans for environmental protection group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_for_Environmental_Protection) isn't that equaly weird as gay republicans or not?

Actually, no. Far be it from me to be a Republican apologist, but there is a long tradition of environmentalism inside the Republican party, dating back to Teddy Roosevelt, and currently finding its voice among Republican sport hunters and fishers.

wow, wikipedia never ceases to amaze me, they even have a page on the sexuality of abe lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln)

EDIT: there is also a republicans for environmental protection group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_for_Environmental_Protection) isn't that equaly weird as gay republicans or not?

Why do people waste their time speculating about other's sexuality? It's futile in people who are alive, let alone those over a century dead.

can anyone explain me what log cabin means? does it have some other meaning than gay?
I figured it was a reference to going into the mountains away from society for super-secret gay sex, brokeback mountain style, and then returning to your regular, Republican lifestyle.
Now that I think about it, that actually sounds pretty derogatory, and is likely not at all what they meant.

Actually, no. Far be it from me to be a Republican apologist, but there is a long tradition of environmentalism inside the Republican party, dating back to Teddy Roosevelt, and currently finding its voice among Republican sport hunters and fishers.

hmm, i thought that it were republicans who wanted to drill in nature reserves for oil, or who didn't ratifie the kyoto protocol and who refused to 'believe in' global warming etc. But the republican party is probably big enough for a lot of different influences.

Why do people waste their time speculating about other's sexuality? It's futile in people who are alive, let alone those over a century dead.

because it's fun? or because it gives them something to bash that person or look up to that person ...

I figured it was a reference to going into the mountains away from society for super-secret gay sex, brokeback mountain style, and then returning to your regular, Republican lifestyle.
Now that I think about it, that actually sounds pretty derogatory, and is likely not at all what they meant.

no, the actual meaning comes from a guy who was gay and born in a log cabin, maybe even more farfetched when you thing about it. Why didn't they just call themselfs 'homosexual republicans' or something, everybody would know who they are and what they do.

there are gay republicans for the same reason there are black republicans and hispanic republicans. they feel that the republican party will give them the best overall deal with the things that are the most important to them. and probably that they cant really do much harm no matter how little the republicans like having them in their party.

so maybe they are upper middle class and like tax cuts. maybe they are gun nuts. maybe they are virulently anti-abortion rights. the only thing they miss out on that the blacks and hispanics get is the being a token thing. the republicans love showing their token blacks now and then but they never bring out the token gays.

maybe they are from strong republican families and their parents can deal with them being gay but cant take the idea of them being democrats.

maybe they just like going to the convention and freaking out the religious fundamentalists.

there are lots of valid reasons why anyone might choose to be a republican.

hmm, i thought that it were republicans who wanted to drill in nature reserves for oil, or who didn't ratifie the kyoto protocol and who refused to 'believe in' global warming etc. But the republican party is probably big enough for a lot of different influences.


That's exactly it--the party does have different factions, and in recent years the environmentalist faction has been largely silenced within the party by big business and big energy, but there is a tradition nonetheless. But it's also true that the most activist environmental groups tend to be left-leaning.

However, I have to wonder why this organization, who want nothing more than to share their political ideals with other people like them are Republicans, espically when Bush tried to ban gay marriage. I mean wouldn't it make more sense for them to be Log Cabin Libertarians? They can be Republicans if they want, I have no problem with that, but why would you want to be part of a group that tried to prevent you from getting married to your love ones? Maybe the gay/lesbian community can explain it to me, because I am lost.

Because those are old school GOP ideals - the ideals of Mr. Barry Goldwater for example, and not of the real RINOs like GWBush and the Christofascist wing who've tried to coup the GOP.

Because those are old school GOP ideals - the ideals of Mr. Barry Goldwater for example, and not of the real RINOs like GWBush and the Christofascist wing who've tried to coup the GOP.

Tried?

Log Cabin? I do believe they should just go ahead and change their name to what they're really all about and call themselves The Gay Republican Quislings (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=quisling).

As we say in Swedish: "slicka uppåt, sparka nedåt" ("lick upwards, kick downwards"). Uncle Toms, or in this case Reverend Teds, are nothing new.

Log Cabin? I do believe they should just go ahead and change their name to what they're really all about and call themselves The Gay Republican Quislings (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=quisling).
They're hardly to Quisling's level.

And maybe they're simply afraid of commitment and support the Republicans in order to have a ready excuse in case ye olde questione becomes popped.

Tried?

The counter-coup is coming...

They're hardly to Quisling's level.

And maybe they're simply afraid of commitment and support the Republicans in order to have a ready excuse in case ye olde questione becomes popped.

Something like "I would love to marry you, but it's against the law. What kind of life could we have, on the run all the time?"

And THAT is important.

Indeed. What goes on in your head is your business. What goes out of your lips is more of a problem.

Indeed. What goes on in your head is your business. What goes out of your lips is more of a problem.

And that's why Republicans are stupid. :D

The Democratic Party isn't too keen on granting gay marriage rights, either, though. Republicans just demonize gays moreso.

The Democratic Party isn't too keen on granting gay marriage rights, either, though. Republicans just demonize gays moreso.

Yeah, what's Hillary's stand on all-this?

Yeah, what's Hillary's stand on all-this?

Depends who asks her. Get some gay rights lobbyists and some of the christian right to ask her at the same time and watch as she asplodes from the confusion.

Depends who asks her. Get some gay rights lobbyists and some of the christian right to ask her at the same time and watch as she asplodes from the confusion.

:p

"I'm in this to win!"

Honestly, she's trying to please everyone and she's pleasing no-one. Her husband could show her a thing-or-two. Even though I don't like him, he was a HELL-of-a-politician. If he lied about much, I'll never know. He puts Bush to shame :(

Depends who asks her. Get some gay rights lobbyists and some of the christian right to ask her at the same time and watch as she asplodes from the confusion.

Nah--she's been pretty solid on the crappy civil unions compromise for a while now, as are most of the Democratic Presidential candidates. That's a far cry from the dumbasses in the Republican party, who are often along the lines of "why aren't faggots in jail?"

Nah--she's been pretty solid on the crappy civil unions compromise for a while now, as are most of the Democratic Presidential candidates. That's a far cry from the dumbasses in the Republican party, who are often along the lines of "why aren't faggots in jail?"

Or Bush's "destroying the foundation of civilization"