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If you did not watch the latest Heroes episode, click here (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml).

OK, so, what did you think? Personally, I liked it. I had hoped for Claire to be the one to kill Sylar, but the ending was still great. I did NOT expect Nathan to show up at the end, and carry Peter into the upper atmosphere to explode safely away from New York.

Peter can fly, too, though. I just...it seemed lackluster. I wanted more of a show down between Peter and Sylar or, I don't know...something. It just seemed a little hodge podged.

I like the beginning of chapter 2, though. A friend thinks it implies that Hiro is that dude he admired, that he's been listening to stories of himself. That's kind of intriguing. I wanted something more, I guess. I didn't hate it, but I'm not reeling or anything.

That whole series should burn in the pit forever. There is not enough that can be said about how terrible it was.

I was expecting a bit more of a showdown, but the ending was good enough - I think they decided that a showdown was what everyone was expecting, which is good enough reason NOT to do that.

And Dosuun, I strongly disagree with you - though I imagine that our disagreement is based on our personal preferences.

I was thoroughly disappointed. I was hoping for so much more. Instead, what I got was 45 minutes of what was essentially epilogue followed by a 5 minute everybody-on-Sylar beatdown and ending with Hiro falling from the sky and landing in feudal Japan (I was waiting for someone to start talking about jewel shards...).

It all just seemed so very lackluster. The whole show recently has been leading up to a showdown between Peter and Sylar and what we got just didn't live up.

I remain faithful. *nodnod*

I was very disappointed, for several reasons (in white):

1) Hiro, a nerdish bookworm who worked in an office, after about...four hours of training, was good enough to stand up to his samuri master father

2) syler, who had reaction time fast enough to stop BULLETS, somehow froze like a deer in headlights when charged by a short japanese fellow from 100 feet away

3) speaking of syler. Here we have an incredibly powerful villian. You have heroes mingling, cops around, everyone on edge...nobody noticed the HUGE TRAIL OF BLOOD leading to the sewer? Nobody thought "hey, the big bad guy is lying on the ground, maybe I should shoot him a few times in the head, just in case", and instead, just decide to walk off without, you know...getting the body.

4) the nathan sacrifice, bothered for two big reasons:
- ok, flying off was a good idea, but...peter can fly...he could have done it himself, why didn't his brother just got "hey, you can fly too, get out of here?"
- why was the sacrifice even necessary. Claire was having difficulties killing peter, ok. but, of ALL people she should have known, he wouldn't have died. Shoot him in the head, drop him, get him somewhere safe, and pull the bullet out of him. He'll be fine.

It's like the writers totally forgot at the end that peter can fly and regenerate himself. He could have flown off, or been shot in the head and healed it later. Nathan sacrificing himself was completely unecessary, and totally silly

5) the shape shifter made reference to the fact that she was, in her true form, fat and ugly. It made her taking the form of a hot girl somewhat poinent. The one who was teased all her life, using her powers to make herself beautiful, hiding the one thing she can't change, what she REALLY looks like. Then nikki/jessica whack her, and she gets knocked unconcious. I'm expectng to get a glimpse of what she looks like, but instead she morphs back into...hot girl

Concerning 3: That ticked me off to no end as well. Especially if Hiro is now a master swordman, he would've known to take Sylar's head after withdrawing the stab. I am, however, happy that my favorite character apparently isn't dead yet.

4: I just assumed that Peter was having too much trouble concentrating to fly. But otherwise, yeah, it was campy and dumb. They went thru enough trouble to make Peter seem like Jesus, just make him sacrifice himself.

5. She implied that the old black woman "could be her true form." I think when Micah asked her, she said "How do you know this isn't my true form?" Never actually said that it was or wasn't.

Concerning 3: That ticked me off to no end as well. Especially if Hiro is now a master swordman, he would've known to take Sylar's head after withdrawing the stab

Or had someone with a gun just...shoot him, when he's down.

4: I just assumed that Peter was having too much trouble concentrating to fly. But otherwise, yeah, it was campy and dumb. They went thru enough trouble to make Peter seem like Jesus, just make him sacrifice himself.

OK I can give you that he prob couldn't fly himself, BUT, again, JUST SHOOT HIM. He will be ok.

5. She implied that the old black woman "could be her true form." I think when Micah asked her, she said "How do you know this isn't my true form?" Never actually said that it was or wasn't.

oh, sure, I can believe that. BUT, when she got knocked out, she went from looking like jessica, to looking like the hot girl.

Why when rendered unconcious would she change from ONE fake form into ANOTHER fake form? That makes no sense, which means that either the writers weren't thinking, or the hot girl is her true form, which makes the whole french fry eatting scene "I am huge" line superfluous.

If the hot girl was not her "true" form, then why would hse turn back IN TO IT when knocked out?

OK I can give you that he prob couldn't fly himself, BUT, again, JUST SHOOT HIM. He will be ok.

Remember what happened when Ted got shot? He went nuclear. I'm thinking shooting Peter would not of been wise. Though Hiro could very easily of frozen time and teleported Peter into the middle of nowhere to explode safely. Or Nathan could of flown Peter out into the ocean so he could blow up safely and minimize fallout.

As for Hiro's accelerated training the guy can manipulate time, I'm willing to treat the length of his training session as if it were much longer than implied.

I was very disappointed, for several reasons (in white):

1) Hiro, a nerdish bookworm who worked in an office, after about...four hours of training, was good enough to stand up to his samuri master father

I kind of figured Hiro must have taken swordfighting lessons and such as a child, which makes that a little more believable. Given how obsessed he is with stories of samurai, it certainly seems plausible that that might have been a hobby of his.

2) syler, who had reaction time fast enough to stop BULLETS, somehow froze like a deer in headlights when charged by a short japanese fellow from 100 feet away

Yeah, that was a bit lame. Especially the whole "can you stop time before I chop Ando's head off" scene, where Syler appeared to just wait and twiddle his thumbs while Hiro made his "concentrating" face.

3) speaking of syler. Here we have an incredibly powerful villian. You have heroes mingling, cops around, everyone on edge...nobody noticed the HUGE TRAIL OF BLOOD leading to the sewer? Nobody thought "hey, the big bad guy is lying on the ground, maybe I should shoot him a few times in the head, just in case", and instead, just decide to walk off without, you know...getting the body.

Oh, was that what was going on there? I was utterly confused by the whole trail-of-blood thing - I figured the cops had carted off the body and that the bloodstains with bugs crawling around in them were just some sort of dramatic shot. If we were supposed to be gathering that Syler escaped, then holy crap, the heroes are stupid for not plugging him several dozen extra times just to be on the safe side.

4) the nathan sacrifice, bothered for two big reasons:
- ok, flying off was a good idea, but...peter can fly...he could have done it himself, why didn't his brother just got "hey, you can fly too, get out of here?"
- why was the sacrifice even necessary. Claire was having difficulties killing peter, ok. but, of ALL people she should have known, he wouldn't have died. Shoot him in the head, drop him, get him somewhere safe, and pull the bullet out of him. He'll be fine.

It's like the writers totally forgot at the end that peter can fly and regenerate himself. He could have flown off, or been shot in the head and healed it later. Nathan sacrificing himself was completely unecessary, and totally silly

Agreed completely. That was completely bizarre and disappointing. I suspect the rationale for Peter not flying was that he couldn't use one ability and control another at the same time, but I never understood the rationale for not just shooting Peter and removing the bullet later.

5) the shape shifter made reference to the fact that she was, in her true form, fat and ugly. It made her taking the form of a hot girl somewhat poinent. The one who was teased all her life, using her powers to make herself beautiful, hiding the one thing she can't change, what she REALLY looks like. Then nikki/jessica whack her, and she gets knocked unconcious. I'm expectng to get a glimpse of what she looks like, but instead she morphs back into...hot girl

That was indeed highly annoying. It looked like the writers just forgot what they'd had their own characters say all of one episode ago. Very dumb.

Or had someone with a gun just...shoot him, when he's down.


My way's more cinematic :p

Wasn't part of the reason they didn't want Sylar to gain Claire's power because if he did he would survive blowing up? I'm half expecting the season premiere to be Peter falling out of the sky somewhere over NYC.

oh, another thing:

in the second to last episode, nathan notes he's losing by about 10 points in the exit polls, which means the vote is going maybe about 45/55 against him.

Then miccha does his thing, and he wins with 65% of the vote. Now, if he was averaging 45% in exit polls and wins with 51%, people would go "oh, that's odd...well, wide margin but polls are only polls", we saw this with the bush/kerry election where bush was losing in exit polls and won an election.

But he goes from 45% votes in the exit polls, to win with 65% of the vote? And nobody says ANYTHING? Nobody asks why a guy who was LOSING by about 10 points in exit polls ends up WINNING by about 30? And nobody even once seems to utter the words "voter fraud" but instead just takes it for granted?

I was very disappointed, for several reasons (in white):

[quote]1) Hiro, a nerdish bookworm who worked in an office, after about...four hours of training, was good enough to stand up to his samuri master father

I'm willing to believe 'four hours' wasn't quite 'four hours', if you know what I mean....

2) syler, who had reaction time fast enough to stop BULLETS, somehow froze like a deer in headlights when charged by a short japanese fellow from 100 feet away

Well, he is rather unstable...

3) speaking of syler. Here we have an incredibly powerful villian. You have heroes mingling, cops around, everyone on edge...nobody noticed the HUGE TRAIL OF BLOOD leading to the sewer? Nobody thought "hey, the big bad guy is lying on the ground, maybe I should shoot him a few times in the head, just in case", and instead, just decide to walk off without, you know...getting the body.

Well, yeah, but when has that not happened? Like,any show, ever? When?

4) the nathan sacrifice, bothered for two big reasons:
- ok, flying off was a good idea, but...peter can fly...he could have done it himself, why didn't his brother just got "hey, you can fly too, get out of here?"

Going nuclear would be most distracting...

- why was the sacrifice even necessary. Claire was having difficulties killing peter, ok. but, of ALL people she should have known, he wouldn't have died. Shoot him in the head, drop him, get him somewhere safe, and pull the bullet out of him. He'll be fine.

*shrug* tense moment. And like, the man with whom Claire has the deepest connection, it'd be tough for her to do in any situation...

5) the shape shifter made reference to the fact that she was, in her true form, fat and ugly. It made her taking the form of a hot girl somewhat poinent. The one who was teased all her life, using her powers to make herself beautiful, hiding the one thing she can't change, what she REALLY looks like. Then nikki/jessica whack her, and she gets knocked unconcious. I'm expectng to get a glimpse of what she looks like, but instead she morphs back into...hot girl

She's probably been "hot girl" more than her actual self. It's set to default by now.

My way's more cinematic :p

Wasn't part of the reason they didn't want Sylar to gain Claire's power because if he did he would survive blowing up? I'm half expecting the season premiere to be Peter falling out of the sky somewhere over NYC.

Agreed.

I also wouldn't be too surprised if Nathan let him go at a safe height and flew somewhere else.


Somewhere else as in somewhere not about to be nuked.

My way's more cinematic :p

Wasn't part of the reason they didn't want Sylar to gain Claire's power because if he did he would survive blowing up?

No. Everybody assumed syler was dead after "he" blew up. I think nobody expected him to regenerate THAT. Rather, Hiro didn't want him to gain claire's powers because in the alternative timeline, when hiro stabbed him, he regenerated.

Hiro didn't want syler to gain claire's powers so that when hiro stabbed syler, syler would stay down, thus averting it.

I'm half expecting the season premiere to be Peter falling out of the sky somewhere over NYC.

In the last moments of the show, when hiro fell into the field, before we realized it was a) hiro and b) in the past, that's EXACTLY what i thought happened.

No. Everybody assumed syler was dead after "he" blew up. I think nobody expected him to regenerate THAT. Rather, Hiro didn't want him to gain claire's powers because in the alternative timeline, when hiro stabbed him, he regenerated.

Hiro didn't want syler to gain claire's powers so that when hiro stabbed syler, syler would stay down, thus averting it.

In the last moments of the show, when hiro fell into the field, before we realized it was a) hiro and b) in the past, that's EXACTLY what i thought happened.

Kinda blows that whole "You needed to save the cheerleader, so we could save the world" crap out of the water.

And ditto.

Kinda blows that whole "You needed to save the cheerleader, so we could save the world" crap out of the water.

Whaddaya mean? In that timeline, that was what needed to happen...

Course, things diverged a while before then....

The great iron of the show being that "save the cheerleader, save the world" was, in fact, not true, since the whole reason to save the cheerleader was invalid.

Secondly, did ANYONE get what was with the time traveling peter? and who was that black old guy?

Another one of Linderman's old hero crew? And that was one plotline I liked, the notion that there were others, before, who were friends. Probably Linderman, that black guy, peter's father, Hiro's father, and a few others.

Whaddaya mean? In that timeline, that was what needed to happen...

Course, things diverged a while before then....

I meant the line in particular. Nathan says something to that effect before the love-fest, "look at me I'm like Jesus all dressed in white" sacrifice.

I, too, would've rather Claire just shot him.

The great iron of the show being that "save the cheerleader, save the world" was, in fact, not true, since the whole reason to save the cheerleader was invalid.

Secondly, did ANYONE get what was with the time traveling peter? and who was that black old guy?

Another one of Linderman's old hero crew? And that was one plotline I liked, the notion that there were others, before, who were friends. Probably Linderman, that black guy, peter's father, Hiro's father, and a few others.

The old guy was the man Peter was caring for in the very beginning of the show when he was still a nurse (or whatever he was).

I had a different hope for the ending battle. Here's what I wanted to see:

Peter and Sylar fight. Sylar wins, and is about to take Peter's powers, when Peter turns his powers INWARD, frying himself to a radioactive crisp. This (and the blast) sends SYLAR out of control. Hiro then has to make the REAL sacrifice - he gives his katana to Claire, who stabs Sylar. Alternatively, Claire just busts a cap on Sylar's skull.

Basically, I wanted Peter to die fighting Sylar, and Claire to kill Sylar.

Yeah, somewhat disappointing, but still very good writing. And my first action after the show ended kinda demonstrates how much I'm into the show.

A while ago, I created a few spreadsheets to help keep track of the characters and their activities. One key thing is this:
If a character's name is bolded, then they have super powers.
If a character's name is underlined, then they are one of the 'core' cast.
And if a character's name is italicized, then they are dead.

Well, I went onto my spreadsheet, and I changed four names:
Gabriel Sylar ---> Gabriel Sylar
Mr. Bennet ---> Noah Bennet
Nathan Petrelli ---> Nathan Petrelli
Peter Petrelli ---> Peter Petrelli

Oh, and we FINALLY learned Mr. Bennet's name! I should SO have seen that coming.

And that old black guy? That was Charles Devaux. He was Simone's father, and Peter was his nurse. We've seen him before, but always in bed with an oxygen mask.

As for the timeline, the 'save the cheerleader' part was valid. Had Peter not intervened on Future Hiro's urging, Sylar would probably have caught and killed Claire, taking her power. It might not have seemed like it at the time, but that little scrap between Peter and Sylar in the locker room was the turning point. Peter bought Claire about 30 seconds, and significantly distracted Sylar.

Whaddaya mean? In that timeline, that was what needed to happen...

No, it wasn't. That's the point. Hiro told peter "save the cheerleader save the world" because Hiro believed it was SYLER who blew up, and that Hiro COULD have stopped him before he blew up if syler didn't regenerate the wound.

However, it was not syler who, in that timeline, blew up, byt peter. Hiro tried to save claire so that he could kill syler, and stop the bomb, but the bom was never syler in that timeline

In the last moments of the show, when hiro fell into the field, before we realized it was a) hiro and b) in the past, that's EXACTLY what i thought happened.

Same here.

IWell, I went onto my spreadsheet, and I changed four names:
Gabriel Sylar ---> Gabriel Sylar
Mr. Bennet ---> Noah Bennet
Nathan Petrelli ---> Nathan Petrelli
Peter Petrelli ---> Peter Petrelli


Sylar's still alive.

No, it wasn't. That's the point. Hiro told peter "save the cheerleader save the world" because Hiro believed it was SYLER who blew up, and that Hiro COULD have stopped him before he blew up if syler didn't regenerate the wound.

However, it was not syler who, in that timeline, blew up, byt peter. Hiro tried to save claire so that he could kill syler, and stop the bomb, but the bom was never syler in that timeline

Wasn't Peter still alive in that timeline? I distinctly remember Hiro saying "You look different without the scar" and him appearing in the "5 years later" episode.

No, it wasn't. That's the point. Hiro told peter "save the cheerleader save the world" because Hiro believed it was SYLER who blew up, and that Hiro COULD have stopped him before he blew up if syler didn't regenerate the wound.

However, it was not syler who, in that timeline, blew up, byt peter. Hiro tried to save claire so that he could kill syler, and stop the bomb, but the bom was never syler in that timeline

Oy, perhaps I should clarify. I just didn't get why you called it crap...I mean, it's not like Future Hiro was bullshitting Peter. As far as Hiro knew, that's what had to happen.

Wasn't Peter still alive in that timeline? I distinctly remember Hiro saying "You look different without the scar" and him appearing in the "5 years later" episode.

Yep. Blowing up appears to be survivable if you have Claire's power.

Well, I went onto my spreadsheet, and I changed four names:
Gabriel Sylar ---> Gabriel Sylar
Mr. Bennet ---> Noah Bennet
Nathan Petrelli ---> Nathan Petrelli
Peter Petrelli ---> Peter Petrelli


Wait a minute. Blowing up is survivable. Peter was still there in Five Years Gone.

Beaten..

Also in comment on the 'Sylar: Deer in headlights' bit, Sylar saw the ninth wonders that depicts him getting stabbed, right?

Wait a minute. Blowing up is survivable. Peter was still there in Five Years Gone.

Beaten..

Nerdy justification:
As far as we know, when Peter blew up in the alternate timeline, he was on the ground. He left a pile of ashes, which regenerated.

This time, he blew up in the upper atmosphere. His ashes are being scattered far and wide.

Anyway, I want to know one other thing about Season 2 and beyond - are they going to bite the bullet and give the same powers to more than one person? I mean, so many minor characters had decent powers, only to be killed off (mainly by Sylar).
If not, then they're going to have to start inventing a lot of new powers. Stealing from X-Men and other comic books might last them through Season 2 (and I won't blame them if they do just that - I'd certainly do it).

Wasn't Peter still alive in that timeline? I distinctly remember Hiro saying "You look different without the scar" and him appearing in the "5 years later" episode.

Yes, however he distinctly told nikki that it was he who blew up, and that he survived.

However I want to make a point, everyone thinks it's CLAIRE's power that keeps him alive after being blown up, but not necessarily.

Radioactive man himself seems, as part of his power to be immun/absorb radiation, otherwise his own power would kill him. Part of him being radioactive is him being immune to radiation.

Peter surviving the blow up might not be because of REGENERATION, but because part of the radioactive man's powers means he can survive the explosion harmlessly.

However I want to make a point, everyone thinks it's CLAIRE's power that keeps him alive after being blown up

*raises hand* I just said blowing up was survivable in general, i.e. for anyone who can blow up.

Nerdy justification:
As far as we know, when Peter blew up in the alternate timeline, he was on the ground. He left a pile of ashes, which regenerated.

This time, he blew up in the upper atmosphere. His ashes are being scattered far and wide.

Nerdier problem:

There is something called a Rayleigh-Taylor instability. In this, various density materials interact, and higher density fluids/gases are forced upwards by less dense gasses. It rises, until the point it reaches equilibrium, at which point it disipates evenly at the equilibrium level, until it cools and settles. Air rising then disbursing looks like a three dimensional:

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Shape look vaguely familiar in terms of nuclear blasts? It's a mushroom cloud. That's exactly what a muschroom cloud is, a form of Rayleigh-Taylor instability.

If peter had been reduced to ash, even on the ground, the resultant air current inequilibrium would have blown those ashes into the air, then disbursed across the atmosphere, in the very same way.

Or had someone with a gun just...shoot him, when he's down.a point. ted was shot and nearly went nuclear himself. so how do we know that shooting Pete in the head won't cause the bomb to be released?

Remember in 5 years gone, he had a scar, perhaps that caused the explosion.

oh, sure, I can believe that. BUT, when she got knocked out, she went from looking like jessica, to looking like the hot girl.

Why when rendered unconcious would she change from ONE fake form into ANOTHER fake form? That makes no sense, which means that either the writers weren't thinking, or the hot girl is her true form, which makes the whole french fry eatting scene "I am huge" line superfluous.

If the hot girl was not her "true" form, then why would hse turn back IN TO IT when knocked out?or the hot girl is her true form. remember, Self Image isn't always good. she could've seen herself as ugly and fat. just like most supermodels beleive they have to be rail thin to be beautiful.

The great iron of the show being that "save the cheerleader, save the world" was, in fact, not true, since the whole reason to save the cheerleader was invalid.actually, if you follow Hiro's thinking that Claire's power given to sylar would make him even harder to kill... and when they did save Claire, the world did change. for all we know in Hiro's future, the bomb was first sylar, then it became Peter.

Remember in 5 yrs gone, Peter had Ted's power while Sylar had someone elses (blue glow)

Secondly, did ANYONE get what was with the time traveling peter? and who was that black old guy?

Another one of Linderman's old hero crew? And that was one plotline I liked, the notion that there were others, before, who were friends. Probably Linderman, that black guy, peter's father, Hiro's father, and a few others. Simone's father. and we don't know what his power was... ;) Pete's time hopping could be from him.

now here's what's not shown. Pete and Nate dead. for all we know, Nate probably released peter and went supersonic. after the bang, nate should be able to fly down.

now here's what's not shown. Pete and Nate dead. for all we know, Nate probably released peter and went supersonic. after the bang, nate should be able to fly down.

I would hope, so that WOULD be the smart thing to do. I don't like nathan dead it was too...hokey, he should have launched peter over the ocean and flown away.

But you make a point, it doesn't show for certain either one of them are dead, and it's possible they are both alive.

Nerdier problem:

There is something called a Rayleigh-Taylor instability. In this, various density materials interact, and higher density fluids/gases are forced upwards by less dense gasses. It rises, until the point it reaches equilibrium, at which point it disipates evenly at the equilibrium level, until it cools and settles. Air rising then disbursing looks like a three dimensional:

T

Shape look vaguely familiar in terms of nuclear blasts? It's a mushroom cloud. That's exactly what a muschroom cloud is, a form of Rayleigh-Taylor instability.

If peter had been reduced to ash, even on the ground, the resultant air current inequilibrium would have blown those ashes into the air, then disbursed across the atmosphere, in the very same way.

And in that case the only plausible way for him to regenerate after the blast would be for him to have started the regeneration process immediately after the blast, and mostly reconstituted before he could be dispersed.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HD-Rayleigh-Taylor.gif

a point. ted was shot and nearly went nuclear himself. so how do we know that shooting Pete in the head won't cause the bomb to be released?

It might, but the shot to Ted wasn't...Well, think about it, Sylar and Chandra Suresh will tell you "it's all in the brain". Whenever it went right to the brain or brain stem, regeneration didn't work. I can only imagine a direct hit there would stop other powers as well. I can't remember when ted was shot, but somewhere non-lethal i.e, not the CNS.

It might, but the shot to Ted wasn't...Well, think about it, Sylar and Chandra Suresh will tell you "it's all in the brain". Whenever it went right to the brain or brain stem, regeneration didn't work. I can only imagine a direct hit there would stop other powers as well. I can't remember when ted was shot, but somewhere non-lethal i.e, not the CNS.
ah, but which part of the brain. and since it was either clair or Noah doing the shooting... ;)

and remember, claires and petes brush with death included the object being stuck in the brain. so shooting pete may still cause the explosion but the remains would be a comatose pete with a bullet in the head.

ah, but which part of the brain. and since it was either clair or Noah doing the shooting... ;)

and remember, claires and petes brush with death included the object being stuck in the brain. so shooting pete may still cause the explosion but the remains would be a comatose pete with a bullet in the head.

I figure as long as he's subcritical when he's shot, the reaction will just die down, as he's not longer adding to it.

And in that case the only plausible way for him to regenerate after the blast would be for him to have started the regeneration process immediately after the blast, and mostly reconstituted before he could be dispersed.



Or, as I said, part of radiation man's powers is to be immune from the radiation, meaning peter would have survived the heat and radiation just fine.

The force of the explosion also would have radiated AWAY from him in all directions, leaving him sort of in the eye of a hurricane.

Or, as I said, part of radiation man's powers is to be immune from the radiation, meaning peter would have survived the heat and radiation just fine.

The force of the explosion also would have radiated AWAY from him in all directions, leaving him sort of in the eye of a hurricane.

And with what has to be the worst day of his life only just beginning...

Beaten up, almost go nuclear, beaten up again, find out you're the bomb after all, get dragged up into the upper stratosphere to avoid destroying a city, blowing up, and now you've got a multiple mile drop to the ground because the blast didn't kill you.

Or, as I said, part of radiation man's powers is to be immune from the radiation, meaning peter would have survived the heat and radiation just fine.

The force of the explosion also would have radiated AWAY from him in all directions, leaving him sort of in the eye of a hurricane.

Strong possibility of the second. Unless Ted's clothes had become immune as well.

I figure as long as he's subcritical when he's shot, the reaction will just die down, as he's not longer adding to it.

possible...

And with what has to be the worst day of his life only just beginning...

Beaten up, almost go nuclear, beaten up again, find out you're the bomb after all, get dragged up into the upper stratosphere to avoid destroying a city, blowing up, and now you've got a multiple mile drop to the ground because the blast didn't kill you.

except that he has Nate's flying ability, Claire's regeneration, Hiro's Time travelling ability, and Sylar's stolen Telekinetic ability.

I just hope they don't make Peter as a Deus Ex Machina...

I just hope they don't make Peter as a Deus Ex Machina...

Well, he still has the achillies heel...er...brainstem.

B'eh, let's hope not.

That's why I think they killed Peter - to stop him becoming too powerful.

That's why I think they killed Peter - to stop him becoming too powerful.

But why would he die? That's the problem. Clearly the power doesn't affect Ted.

But why would he die? That's the problem. Clearly the power doesn't affect Ted.

Don't think he is dead.

oh, another thing:

in the second to last episode, nathan notes he's losing by about 10 points in the exit polls, which means the vote is going maybe about 45/55 against him.

Then miccha does his thing, and he wins with 65% of the vote. Now, if he was averaging 45% in exit polls and wins with 51%, people would go "oh, that's odd...well, wide margin but polls are only polls", we saw this with the bush/kerry election where bush was losing in exit polls and won an election.

But he goes from 45% votes in the exit polls, to win with 65% of the vote? And nobody says ANYTHING? Nobody asks why a guy who was LOSING by about 10 points in exit polls ends up WINNING by about 30? And nobody even once seems to utter the words "voter fraud" but instead just takes it for granted?

Welcome to 2004.

Concerning 3: That ticked me off to no end as well. Especially if Hiro is now a master swordman, he would've known to take Sylar's head after withdrawing the stab. I am, however, happy that my favorite character apparently isn't dead yet.

I know, I was yelling at the TV "CUT OFF HIS HEAD OR SOMETHING!"

4: I just assumed that Peter was having too much trouble concentrating to fly. But otherwise, yeah, it was campy and dumb. They went thru enough trouble to make Peter seem like Jesus, just make him sacrifice himself.
I thought the Nathan thing was dumb too.....Peter may have been unable to concentrate but I think she should have just shot him anyway.....he can fix himself right?

Peter may have been unable to concentrate but I think she should have just shot him anyway.....he can fix himself right?

Yes, claire regenerated from a fatal gunshot wound from Parkman.

Plot holes aside ... Sylar is one incredibly tough SOB. He's been stabbed, shot, fell off a building, and he's still alive.

hit in the face wtih a parking meter....

and all without regeneration

Yes, claire regenerated from a fatal gunshot wound from Parkman.

I thought so.

Yes, claire regenerated from a fatal gunshot wound from Parkman.
and she recovered from having a branch shoved up her skull... of course she had to wait till the branch was removed...
hit in the face wtih a parking meter....

and all without regeneration how do you know? he might have regeneration...

after all, Parkman shot him at close range and he got up and "left". so he might have Regeneration.

and she recovered from having a branch shoved up her skull... of course she had to wait till the branch was removed...
how do you know? he might have regeneration...
didn't she get blown up at some point too?

after all, Parkman shot him at close range and he got up and "left". so he might have Regeneration.

Ya... or maybe some other sort of power that allows him to otherwise heal himself.
Bennet also shot him twice at close range, knocking him into a refrigerator or something. He just got up and stumbled/ran away.

didn't she get blown up at some point too?
thinks...
Microwaved...
cooked by open fire...
Car accident...
mangled in disposal (hand at least.)
had branch shoved into skull...
Opened up for autospy...
stapled...

nope, not blowed up...

Ya... or maybe some other sort of power that allows him to otherwise heal himself.
Bennet also shot him twice at close range, knocking him into a refrigerator or something. He just got up and stumbled/ran away.

At first I thought invulerability... but Nikki proved that wrong...

thinks...
Microwaved...
cooked by open fire...
Car accident...
mangled in disposal (hand at least.)
had branch shoved into skull...
Opened up for autospy...
stapled...

nope, not blowed up...

I think I was thinking of when she came out of the house all skeletal......or was that her? I have a flash of an explosion and her coming out all yucky and fixing herself.

I think I was thinking of when she came out of the house all skeletal......or was that her? I have a flash of an explosion and her coming out all yucky and fixing herself.

Microwaved. Ted was shot and was going critical. Noah Bennet was inside trying to get close enough to sedate him and Claire went back into the house to help her father. she ended up going in with the needle and yes... there was a boom after she stuck Ted.

she came out of that all crispy creamed... and healed while walking from door to family.

Microwaved. Ted was shot and was going critical. Noah Bennet was inside trying to get close enough to sedate him and Claire went back into the house to help her father. she ended up going in with the needle and yes... there was a boom after she stuck Ted.

she came out of that all crispy creamed... and healed while walking from door to family.

Yeah. thanks. I could only remember the part where she walked out after the "boom" and the flames.

I am so tired on Monday nights, I am surprised I follow the show at all. haha.

Yeah. thanks. I could only remember the part where she walked out after the "boom" and the flames.

I am so tired on Monday nights, I am surprised I follow the show at all. haha.

Haha... you need a vacation Smunkee.
do you want a set of season 1 on DVD?
;)

Haha... you need a vacation Smunkee.
do you want a set of season 1 on DVD?
;)

yeah I do. and yeah I do.

If a shot to the brain would trigger an explosion, then why didn't Sylar trigger an explosion when he removed Ted's brain?

and she recovered from having a branch shoved up her skull... of course she had to wait till the branch was removed...
how do you know? he might have regeneration...

after all, Parkman shot him at close range and he got up and "left". so he might have Regeneration.

If he had the ability to regenerate, then he wouldn't want Claire's brain so badly.

If a shot to the brain would trigger an explosion, then why didn't Sylar trigger an explosion when he removed Ted's brain?

I don't think that a shot to the brain was supposed to trigger the explosion, it was suppose to prevent it by killing Peter the only way possible since any other wound he'd heal from.

All Nathan did was save Claire the trouble of killing Peter by taking him out of atmosphere (I guess?) to explode safely there. But Peter can fly, I don't know why he didn't. Maybe he couldn't use two at once. But then Nathan could have dropped Peter once at a safe distance and then came back around to pick him up, couldn't he?

I don't know. The ending really did seem like a shrug.

If a shot to the brain would trigger an explosion, then why didn't Sylar trigger an explosion when he removed Ted's brain?because Ted wasn't... cranking out the ergs at the time Sylar got to him. not the way he was when he was shot, or the way Peter was at the time claire pointed the gun at him.

If he had the ability to regenerate, then he wouldn't want Claire's brain so badly. don't think it works that way. Sylar didn't know who had what power, only that someone had a power.

I think Sylar had the usual 'tougher than leather' that superheroes get that allow them to take blows from other superhero/villians and keep coming back time after time.

because Ted wasn't... cranking out the ergs at the time Sylar got to him. not the way he was when he was shot, or the way Peter was at the time claire pointed the gun at him.

don't think it works that way. Sylar didn't know who had what power, only that someone had a power.

Remember what he said in the future episode when he killed her? "I've been waiting for this for a long time"?

What I wonder is why after Peter goes nuclear-flash in the sky, with everyone looking directly at him, they weren't rather concerned about the state of their retinas.

Remember what he said in the future episode when he killed her? "I've been waiting for this for a long time"?
but he never said why he waited for this. was it because he wanted her power? or because she was (possibly) the only other one to escape him (the other being Peter.)

but he never said why he waited for this. was it because he wanted her power? or because she was (possibly) the only other one to escape him (the other being Peter.)

Could be ... bit of a stretch, though.

I posted this in the Heroes V. Lost thread, but it fits here too.


I just watched the Heroes finale over dinner tonight, and now my vote can be official:

Heroes is a terrible, terrible show. Beyond terrible. The levels of suck in that finale were unbelievable. I actually thought they had to be kidding in several places.

Hiro--THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL--supposedly faces yet another dilemma of save Ando or save the world. Remember, now, we're talking about a guy WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL. Of course, he appears to be rather dim, because earlier we watched Syler threaten to cut Ando's head off "before" Hiro could stop him. You know, Hiro, THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL.

Or how about the amazing number of Magical Bullet Wounds in the finale episode alone? One moment we've got a man down, shot through, barely alive...and the next minute he's standing and walking and hugging his friends! Ta-da!

Or how about the last-minute introduction of a Mystical Black Man, just in time to provide Peter with a pep talk? Whew, thank goodness Neo found the Oracle in time!

The final scene was the worst I have seen on television in years. I'm not even exagerating with that.

Peter and Syler face off, conveniently color-coded with white for good, black for bad. Syler opens with the Darth Vader inviso neck grab, followed with the Neo bullet block.

Ali Larter steps in to hit the bad guy with a parking meter (ooh, things are looking up!), but is quickly reminded that she belongs on the sidelines being useless at the side of her bullet-wounded lover (don't worry, he'll be perfectly fine in about four minutes).

Peter, who has just been getting his ass kicked due to his complete inability to use any of the awesome powers he's absorbed, confidently tells Ali that he can "handle it."

And procedes to punch Syler.

PUNCH SYLER.

HE @#$#ing well PUNCHES him.

Thankfully, Peter's own body recognizes the epic levels of stupid he is demonstrating, and tries to blow him up for the good of humanity.

At some point, Hiro--THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL--appears long enough to stab Syler, before being thrown aside and out of the fight. (Remember, this is THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL.)

Claire rushes in at the last moment, as Peter is overloading, and prepares to shoot him (Hooray! Things are looking up again!).

As she points the gun at Peter, she pleads, "Please tell me there is some other way!"

We then get a shot of the sky, where Nathan flies in out of nowhere. Based on the shot they use, he was at least several hundred yards away when Claire said her last line, but when he lands he immediately responds to the words he could not possibly have heard.

"There is another way," he bravely insists. He can bravely fly up into the sky with Peter, so the two brothers can bravely sacrifice themselves for the good of humanity!

Gee, if only Peter had watched the first couple of episodes. Then he might have known that HE CAN ALREADY FLY, all by himself.

Of course, Pete clearly hasn't been watching the show at all, because he doesn't know that he can 1) time travel, 2) read minds, 3) do anything other than stand around with his bangs in his face until somebody kills him.

I desperately wanted to like Heroes. I love comics. I love superpowers. I really, really wanted to like that show. But it's terrible. I kept watching because I was sure, just so sure, that they would pull out all the stops in the finale and it would turn out to be as cool as some of the tiny glimmers of wit were hinting at.

No such luck. Terrible, terrible show.

Oh, and Mohinder's little monologues are like having herpes of the ear.

I was very disappointed, for several reasons (in white):

I'm with you on all of those, and then some.

It really seems like the writers have never actually read any comic books, and also don't bother to remember their own scripts.

The powers in the show are mostly dull rehashes of better characters in better plots, and the writers almost never even begin to touch on ANY of the potential coolness that the powers could create. I know it might sound weird, but it really feels like the writers of Heroes have absolutely no imagination whatsoever.

I posted this in the Heroes V. Lost thread, but it fits here too.

Not to mention, Hiro has mastered the Zack Morris Timeout, meaning that he's pretty much the most powerful superhero, and can do anything to anyone whenever he wants. On numerous occasions he's failed to use this awesome ability to kill Sylar, because of increasingly weak plot devices.

I posted this in the Heroes V. Lost thread, but it fits here too. while you are intitled to your opinion of the show, I think you may have mis-interpreted some parts.

Hiro--THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL--supposedly faces yet another dilemma of save Ando or save the world. Remember, now, we're talking about a guy WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL. Of course, he appears to be rather dim, because earlier we watched Syler threaten to cut Ando's head off "before" Hiro could stop him. You know, Hiro, THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL.
Hiro, the guy who CANNOT CONTROL his time travelling ability. he said that in the eps 5 Years Gone he tried to go back one hour to save Charlie, but ended up going back months.

and the one thing you never see is Hiro (both current and future) constantly trying to correct his mistakes.

Or how about the amazing number of Magical Bullet Wounds in the finale episode alone? One moment we've got a man down, shot through, barely alive...and the next minute he's standing and walking and hugging his friends! Ta-da! Assuming you're talking about DL. Micha's father.

Did you see the scene where Mohinder, a Doctor, stopped to assist him? also, did you notice that 99% of the time after that, he's being half-carried by Nikki, his SUPER STRONG wife? and the rest of the time, he's barely standing or leaning/sitting by the wall?

Or how about the last-minute introduction of a Mystical Black Man, just in time to provide Peter with a pep talk? Whew, thank goodness Neo found the Oracle in time! the Mystical Black Man was introduced at the beginning of the series. He's Simone's father. now here's a question. what is his ability? remember, Peter's dream when he spoke to her father and that he (father) was afraid for the future of the world and that Peter told him that it would be ok because there are remarkable people out there? it's the episode where Peter quits being the hospice nurse. was it the Father using his ability to 'warn' Peter of the things to come? ;)

Peter and Syler face off, conveniently color-coded with white for good, black for bad. Syler opens with the Darth Vader inviso neck grab, followed with the Neo bullet block.

Ali Larter steps in to hit the bad guy with a parking meter (ooh, things are looking up!), but is quickly reminded that she belongs on the sidelines being useless at the side of her bullet-wounded lover (don't worry, he'll be perfectly fine in about four minutes).

Peter, who has just been getting his ass kicked due to his complete inability to use any of the awesome powers he's absorbed, confidently tells Ali that he can "handle it."

And procedes to punch Syler. with Nikki's strength. ;)

PUNCH SYLER.

HE @#$#ing well PUNCHES him.

Thankfully, Peter's own body recognizes the epic levels of stupid he is demonstrating, and tries to blow him up for the good of humanity.

At some point, Hiro--THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL--appears long enough to stab Syler, before being thrown aside and out of the fight. (Remember, this is THE GUY WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL.)remember, Hiro can't control when he appears... yet.

Claire rushes in at the last moment, as Peter is overloading, and prepares to shoot him (Hooray! Things are looking up again!).

As she points the gun at Peter, she pleads, "Please tell me there is some other way!"

We then get a shot of the sky, where Nathan flies in out of nowhere. Based on the shot they use, he was at least several hundred yards away when Claire said her last line, but when he lands he immediately responds to the words he could not possibly have heard. but remember, she also said the SAME LINE to both Nate and his mother in the apartment... before she took the swan dive out the window.

"There is another way," he bravely insists. He can bravely fly up into the sky with Peter, so the two brothers can bravely sacrifice themselves for the good of humanity!

Gee, if only Peter had watched the first couple of episodes. Then he might have known that HE CAN ALREADY FLY, all by himself. and as others pointed out, they never showed him using TWO DIFFERENT powers at the same time.

Of course, Pete clearly hasn't been watching the show at all, because he doesn't know that he can 1) time travel, 2) read minds, 3) do anything other than stand around with his bangs in his face until somebody kills him.yep... never mind that he's desperatly trying to control Ted's power and delay it from going critical...

I desperately wanted to like Heroes. I love comics. I love superpowers. I really, really wanted to like that show. But it's terrible. I kept watching because I was sure, just so sure, that they would pull out all the stops in the finale and it would turn out to be as cool as some of the tiny glimmers of wit were hinting at.

No such luck. Terrible, terrible show.

Oh, and Mohinder's little monologues are like having herpes of the ear. yep, unlike the comics were the superheroes automatically know HOW their powers work and exactly WHAT they can do.

I'm sure Rogue knew that she would absorb Carol Danver's abilities permamently. and little Ororo's first flash flood when she was a child was deliberate. or Firestar's little microwave burst in school, or... you get the idea. Sylar's original ability was to asses each person's ability, to see that they had something... special about them. but he didn't know what they were until that person showed him, then he could control it.

Pete didn't have that ability, his was to copy it. that's why he needed training from Dr Who himself (Christopher Eccleston). and even that little bit of training was interrupted.

Oh and note: Linderman noted that there was a GROUP of them. we know that Linderman had a power (healing/growth) we know that Mrs Petrelli is one of them, as is Mr. Nakamura (Hiro's Father.) Simone's Father has been revealed to be one of them as well as Peter and Nate's Father. so who else and what are their powers/abilities?

If he had the ability to regenerate, then he wouldn't want Claire's brain so badly.

Because evidently his ability to regenerate is inferior.

Because evidently his ability to regenerate is inferior.

O RLY? There are two different regenerative mutations?? I find it wearisome that we have to make so many assumptions about the characters' powers to keep the plot on track.

Hiro, the guy who CANNOT CONTROL his time travelling ability. he said that in the eps 5 Years Gone he tried to go back one hour to save Charlie, but ended up going back months.

and the one thing you never see is Hiro (both current and future) constantly trying to correct his mistakes.

Hiro's ability with his power seems to conveniently vary according to whether or not the writers want him to be able to solve a particular problem. Their use of his power is beyond boring. They take what could be a fascinating power and make it into a cheap Deus Ex Superhero whenever they can't think of a good way to address a plot point.



Assuming you're talking about DL. Micha's father.

Did you see the scene where Mohinder, a Doctor, stopped to assist him? also, did you notice that 99% of the time after that, he's being half-carried by Nikki, his SUPER STRONG wife? and the rest of the time, he's barely standing or leaning/sitting by the wall?

Did you notice him standing and hugging his wife and kids after Syler is vanquished? He doesn't even seem to have any trouble moving his arms.

I know "magic bullet wounds" are a common problem in lots of shows, but I don't let people off the hook with the old excuse of, "But everybody else does it wrong, too!"

The finale scene was a terrible example of Simultaneous Recovery Syndrome. As soon as the villain is put down, suddenly everybody is up and moving again. Ta-da! At least they leave Parkman somewhat injured, what with the half-dozen bullets in his gut.


the Mystical Black Man was introduced at the beginning of the series. He's Simone's father.
Oh, they included the Mystical Black Man in even more content? Gee, that makes it MUCH better!


now here's a question. what is his ability?

Here's a question: why care?

He's a cutout that's been recycled in so many comics and shows that there's no strength left to the character at all. I'm sure next season will have some kind of "vision quest" where he helps Peter come into his full power and learn the true meaning of Christmas. Yawn.


remember, Peter's dream when he spoke to her father and that he (father) was afraid for the future of the world and that Peter told him that it would be ok because there are remarkable people out there? it's the episode where Peter quits being the hospice nurse. was it the Father using his ability to 'warn' Peter of the things to come? ;)

Sure. Why not. Or it could just be more of the same turgid prose that every character on the show seems to resort to. Remember, Peter's not too bright as it is, so you can't really expect him to tell the difference between a sincere, helpful warning, and the cryptic, melodramatic BS that he's hearing from so many others.


with Nikki's strength. ;)

Wait, that's supposed to make it BETTER?

Peter chooses to use the worst possible power of his arsenal to do something that Nikki could have done (had she not been pulled to the sidelines to avoid blocking Peter's spotlight).

Seriously, they made Peter look like a greasy geek, so the least they could do is have him think like one. Any geek knows that punching the villain in such situations is a loser, rookie mistake. The only way he could have fucked it up more is if he were yelling/sobbing "THIS IS FOR MY FATHER!!!" or something.


remember, Hiro can't control when he appears... yet.

Sure he can. When the writers want him to.


but remember, she also said the SAME LINE to both Nate and his mother in the apartment... before she took the swan dive out the window.

Sorry, not buying it. Upon landing the middle of such a situation, nobody's impulse would be to calmly continue the conversation they were having 20 minutes ago before their kid threw herself out the window.

And, while we're on the subject, what's with the bullshit about letting Claire just run away? They go to huge amounts of trouble to get her and to try to take her to safety, but then she jumps out the window and Nathan doesn't even try to stop her. And Grandma says something like, "No no, let her go." Um...why? She's been wanting to run off this whole time and you've been saying no. Why have you decided that now, when she's show herself to be supremely rational by leaping out a window and running directly toward a bomb, now is when it's the right time for Claire to leave?

Oh, that's right...she's needed in the finale scene.


and as others pointed out, they never showed him using TWO DIFFERENT powers at the same time.

See, and this is why Peter is stupid to have fought Syler with PUNCHING.

How about, "Syler might blow up. I might blow up. There's lots of people around. Hmm, maybe I should open with a grab-him-and-fly-really-fast kind of thing, to get us out of range of all these innocent bystanders?"


yep... never mind that he's desperatly trying to control Ted's power and delay it from going critical...

What, his legs are broke? He's been having a grand old time playing around with various powers throughout recent episodes. But I guess this is like how Hiro conveniently becomes unable to use his powers when it would muck up the story.


yep, unlike the comics were the superheroes automatically know HOW their powers work and exactly WHAT they can do.

"Turn invisible."

Wow, hard, that.

"Fly."

"Heal."

I wouldn't expect Peter to know how to use all his powers correctly...except that they make a point of showing him doing exactly that whenever they want. Same as with Hiro. It would be fine if he consistently couldn't control his power, but instead they frequently show him controlling it with superb accuracy and then a few scenes later he is supposedly unable to do something far simpler.


I'm sure Rogue knew that she would absorb Carol Danver's abilities permamently. and little Ororo's first flash flood when she was a child was deliberate. or Firestar's little microwave burst in school, or... you get the idea. Sylar's original ability was to asses each person's ability, to see that they had something... special about them. but he didn't know what they were until that person showed him, then he could control it.

These are examples of people not knowing the full extent of their abilities, or being a child and thus generally clueless.

I'm not expecting genius from Peter. I'm just expecting the kind of intelligence that enables a person to walk upright.

Example: If you can turn invisible, TRY DOING THAT when confronting a villain. You did it before, remember? Of course, you waited until it was rather late, and then didn't move to take advantage of your invisibility, but one would hope that you'd learn something from the fact that you ended up with a giant shard of glass in your skull after those mistakes.


Pete didn't have that ability, his was to copy it. that's why he needed training from Dr Who himself (Christopher Eccleston). and even that little bit of training was interrupted.

If they stuck with that consistently, I would buy it. But they don't.


Oh and note: Linderman noted that there was a GROUP of them. we know that Linderman had a power (healing/growth) we know that Mrs Petrelli is one of them, as is Mr. Nakamura (Hiro's Father.) Simone's Father has been revealed to be one of them as well as Peter and Nate's Father. so who else and what are their powers/abilities?
Mr. Nakamura is Kensei. Pete and Nate's father was the Captain America figure. Other characters to be written in as needed can include:

The disaffected rebel who left the Group and is now ruggedly living in a wilderness region, where he/she can be reached and questioned at length about the group immediately before being killed by somebody who is trying to stop the Heroes from learning The Truth.

Mohinder's sister, who is not dead after all.

A quiet little old lady or little old man who seems just so durn cute and then it turns out they have awesome Yoda powers.

Syler's father/grandfather/male relative with whom he can have Daddy issues so as not to feel left out.

We also need Controls Weather Guy/Gal, Controls Animals Guy/Gal, and Aquawoman.

Some Morlock-type character who has powers but has been horribly mutated and isn't that so sad? Don't worry, Our Heroes will see his inner beauty!

If you did not watch the latest Heroes episode, click here (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml).

OK, so, what did you think? Personally, I liked it. I had hoped for Claire to be the one to kill Sylar, but the ending was still great. I did NOT expect Nathan to show up at the end, and carry Peter into the upper atmosphere to explode safely away from New York.

I'm not sure what the point of that was though. "No Claire. Don't harmlessly incapacitate Peter so that he calms down and doesn't blow up. Let me fly away with him so that he kills me and bathes the city in an irradiated nuclear cloud. That way I get to feel like I made a big sacrifice for about 5 seconds, and then don't have to put up with all of you telling me what an ass I was for not trying to stop the bomb."

Not to mention, Hiro has mastered the Zack Morris Timeout, meaning that he's pretty much the most powerful superhero, and can do anything to anyone whenever he wants. On numerous occasions he's failed to use this awesome ability to kill Sylar, because of increasingly weak plot devices.
The first time I saw Hiro use his power to blink away, I immediately thought of that scene at the beginning of Xmen 2(?) with Nightcrawler. Talk about AWESOME FIGHT SCENE POTENTIAL.

Think about it. A Samurai warrior who can blink through time. The Awesome!!! IT BLINDS ME!!!

I was also hoping that when they showed that scene in the Heroes finale where Hiro is training with his Dad that they would pan out at it would turn out they were in a kind of time-bubble, so Hiro could be studying for months or years and becoming a sword master. That would have rocked.

I'm not sure what the point of that was though. "No Claire. Don't harmlessly incapacitate Peter so that he calms down and doesn't blow up. Let me fly away with him so that he kills me and bathes the city in an irradiated nuclear cloud. That way I get to feel like I made a big sacrifice for about 5 seconds, and then don't have to put up with all of you telling me what an ass I was for not trying to stop the bomb."
Yeah, talk about stupid. He's just going to have to listen to Claire bitching about it when he comes back next season anyhow.

Yeah, talk about stupid. He's just going to have to listen to Claire bitching about it when he comes back next season anyhow.

Heroes seems to have a real lack of likable people. Claire is a whiny little bitch, so is Peter, Nathan is an ass. Parkman, wow his life sucks, I mean he can only read minds, god knows that'd never come in handy for a cop. Mohinder, can he get a little more angsty? I thought the bit where he tried to take charge of Bennet's old boss was cute for a guy plainly born without balls.

Heroes seems to have a real lack of likable people. Claire is a whiny little bitch, so is Peter, Nathan is an ass. Parkman, wow his life sucks, I mean he can only read minds, god knows that'd never come in handy for a cop. Mohinder, can he get a little more angsty? I thought the bit where he tried to take charge of Bennet's old boss was cute for a guy plainly born without balls.

I liked the invisible man. Too bad he doesn't have a bigger part.

The disaffected rebel who left the Group and is now ruggedly living in a wilderness region, where he/she can be reached and questioned at length about the group immediately before being killed by somebody who is trying to stop the Heroes from learning The Truth.

See Mystical Black Guy

Mohinder's sister, who is not dead after all.

You mean like Little Ms Find It?

A quiet little old lady or little old man who seems just so durn cute and then it turns out they have awesome Yoda powers.

See Mystical Black Guy

Syler's father/grandfather/male relative with whom he can have Daddy issues so as not to feel left out.

Come on! They already gave him mommy issues! Leave the man alone! Quit screwing with the most worthwhile character!

We also need Controls Weather Guy/Gal, Controls Animals Guy/Gal, and Aquawoman.

Welcome to Season 2

Some Morlock-type character who has powers but has been horribly mutated and isn't that so sad? Don't worry, Our Heroes will see his inner beauty!

Or they just make Sylar a good guy, fits the bill about the same way.

Or they just make Sylar a good guy, fits the bill about the same way.

Even if he recovers from being stabbed in the chest (and I do not doubt he will), Sylar is pretty screwed. It's tough to be a serial killer if the good guys know exactly where you are, all the time.

Heroes seems to have a real lack of likable people. Claire is a whiny little bitch, so is Peter, Nathan is an ass. Parkman, wow his life sucks, I mean he can only read minds, god knows that'd never come in handy for a cop. Mohinder, can he get a little more angsty? I thought the bit where he tried to take charge of Bennet's old boss was cute for a guy plainly born without balls.
Claire had potential, but lately it seems like she just walks around looking like she's ready to cry.

Nathan had potential, but his actions in recent episodes were so weird and inconsistent that I stopped caring.

Parkman should be a cool guy, but instead he's a moron who makes idiot mistakes that no actual cop would ever make. ("No no, I'm going to go fight Syler by myself! With...um...my gun! Yeah, that'll work! What do you mean, 'wait for backup?' Who does that?")

Mohinder is so annoying he makes me want to shove pencils in my ears. As a scientist, I find him to be particularly offensive.

But the Absolute Worstest Award goes to...

...drum roll...

Peter's hair. Oh. My. Gawd. Every time he peers out from under those oily bangs I see red. When Syler started doing that cut-open-your-head trick on Peter, I actually stood up and yelled "YES! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CUT THE BANGS OFF EVEN IF YOU TAKE HIS WHOLE HEAD WITH THEM!"

True story. My boyfriend will corroborate.

See Mystical Black Guy

No, I was talking about the Disaffected Rebel who has stubble and is all woodsy and living rough off the land. Kind of like when Wolverine is done by a really crappy writer.

This also allows for the Use Of Nature As Purity Themes.


You mean like Little Ms Find It?

No, his actual sister. I find it unlikely that any of the supposedly-dead characters that have been mentioned are actually dead.


See Mystical Black Guy

Different character.

The Mystical Black Person takes on the role of guide, via spiritualism and lots of metaphors.

The Cute Old Person With Badass Powers is a one-episode character who is basically a gimmick: Wow, isn't it jarring to see a cute old person throwing knives with their mind!? Who new the old could also be badass!

But then they die and leave us with some insightful parting wisdom that just happens to perfectly fit with the episode's theme.


Come on! They already gave him mommy issues! Leave the man alone! Quit screwing with the most worthwhile character!

I didn't say I wanted them to do it. I never would have written in the lame-ass Mommy issues in the first place.


Or they just make Sylar a good guy, fits the bill about the same way.
No, the Morlock character must be physically deformed. The whole point is that all the other characters get to be hot AND superpowered, but this poor bastard has been twisted and mutated and has to be ugly while superpowered.

This leads the morlock to be bitter and angry, but he/she will come around to the side of the Heroes during some critical moment, thereby redeeming themselves.

Also, it helps if a young child, preferably female, befriends the monstrous murlock character. Have fun, Molly!

whne Nathan arrives Peter says:
I took his power, Nathan. I can't control it. I can't do anything.


That's why he can't fly away.

Morlock, or Murloc (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/78/250px-Warcraft_Murlock.jpg)?

Morlock, or Murloc (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/78/250px-Warcraft_Murlock.jpg)?

http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=60&Set=64

http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=60&Set=64

Cute, why does the blue on only have three limbs?

and as others pointed out, they never showed him using TWO DIFFERENT powers at the same time.

In 5 years gone, he telekenetically moved a glass across the bar while invisible

In 5 years gone, he telekenetically moved a glass across the bar while invisible

You mean when every one of them seems to finally have a good grasp on their power, much like the "elders" do in the current time? Yeah, you have noticed a difference there, no?