NationStates Jolt Archive

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

Why ? Do things need to be real to enjoy them ?

While I guess with all of that I can not factually try to change your hypothesis since I don't exist, you don't exist, and this forum doesn't exist... hell not even the interent exists... WORDS DON'T EXIST!

I'll stick to my delusions.

The fact that reality is defined by the observer is a part of its definition.

I'm guessing you're a Kant and Hume lover ;)

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

I think therefore I am....

your argument is pwned by Descartes

EDIT: All Apologies to Rene Descartes

I think therefore I am....

your argument is pwned by Rousseau

Or do you?
Maybe youre just the dream of a butterfly pretending to be a man.

That the Universe is infinite in size

It isn't.[/thread]

I think therefore I am....

your argument is pwned by Rousseau

You mean Descartes -_-

I think therefore I am....

your argument is pwned by Rousseau

Descartes is spinning is his grave right now...

So if nothing exists you do not exist, therefore, your post does not exist, therefore, the thought of everything being a delusion doesn't exist, so how can we even come to the conclusion that everything doesn't exist?

It isn't.[/thread]

Or is it?

You mean Descartes -_-

Oh Yeah....oops....got my French thinkers mixed up....:p

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

But the universe isn't infinite, and there aren't an infinite number of worlds, and Adams was drunk whilst writing most of the Hitchhiker's Guide (and touring Europe) and the entire book was written with humourous intent.

:)

Or is it?

No. ;)

So if nothing exists you do not exist, therefore, your post does not exist, therefore, the thought of everything being a delusion doesn't exist, so how can we even come to the conclusion that everything doesn't exist?

But then, your post doesnt exist either. So therefore we ARENT having this arguement, because we dont exist.
So stop talking to me! Crazy non-existant forum thing.

Oh Yeah....oops....got my French thinkers mixed up....:p

Can't blame you :)

hmm, thats all a bit involved, I believe my philosophy teacher did his thesis on the basis of that theory basing it on the lottery, i.e if you buy 1 ticket you have a 1 in 6 to the power of 6 chance of winning. Which is a very small number which in most circumstances people would class as 0.
So why buy a lottery ticket?

A more interesting dilemma is:
If your sensory organs are sending signals to your brain with information about your surroundings, how do you know that say red things are red?

And please dont reply if you're gona say the, well it doesnt matter, it looks red arguement.

No. ;)

But you cant prove that. Because you dont exist. And neither does your arguement. :D

But then, your post doesnt exist either. So therefore we ARENT having this arguement, because we dont exist.
So stop talking to me! Crazy non-existant forum thing.

Yes that is right. but I am not talking to you nor posting because I don't exist.

Wait before I post, is this a serious thread or a jokey thread?

How about the Copernican Revolution and the involvement of the subject into reality and thinking, doesn't that count as some sort of proof that at least our conscience exists?

I think the real question is if you don't exist how can you possibly be so bored?

So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

But now my home doesn't exist, so where do I go now? Neither do I, so it's alright. But how am I making this post? DUNN DUNNN DUNNN

Wait before I post, is this a serious thread or a jokey thread?

It is based on philosophy from the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy ;)
Then again, one could of course make it serious. Or about fluffy kittens.

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

there is no such thing as no such thing.

We also do not know the size of the universe.

Yes that is right. but I am not talking to you nor posting because I don't exist.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHARLES.

Wait before I post, is this a serious thread or a jokey thread?

Neither.

Trilby63;12676174']I think the real question is if you don't exist how can you possibly be so bored?

I just had my wisdom teeth out. And they took away my vicadin.

But now my home doesn't exist, so where do I go now? Neither do I, so it's alright. But how am I making this post? DUNN DUNNN DUNNN

GB2/limbo/

Or do you?
Maybe youre just the dream of a butterfly pretending to be a man.

Nothing exists outside of myself and my perceptions. So you are all a product of my perception, and don't exist in and of yourselves. You only believe you have true existence because I have perceived a sense of reality in yourselves.

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

I love post-modernist exsistentialism...after my heart are you? :fluffle:

Nothing exists outside of myself and my perceptions. So you are all a product of my perception, and don't exist in and of yourselves. You only believe you have true existence because I have perceived a sense of reality in yourselves.

Or maybe youre just a dream of mine, created for my own amusement until I wake up. Or maybe we're all a part of the newest Max Barry novel and we dont know it.

I just had my wisdom teeth out. And they took away my vicadin.






You mean this vicadin? I'm sorry, it doesn't exist I'm afraid.

Trilby63;12676205']You mean this vicadin? I'm sorry, it doesn't exist I'm afraid.

...
FUCK.

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

Let my tell you about the proper mathsy way to say this, because lots of people get stuff wrong about infinity in similar ways. Or you could ignore my ramblings and look up Limits on wikipedia.

When you write that the universe is infinite, you should really be saying that, for any number N, the measurement of the universe is bigger than N. Of course, that's impossible, so we have to say the universe can't be measured.

Infinity isn't a number, so you can't divide something by it. However, sometimes things can get very close to something when you divide them by larger and larger numbers. For example, if you divide 5 by larger and larger numbers, you will get answers closer and closer to zero. The mathsy term for this is the limit of 5/k as k tends to infinity.

I love post-modernist exsistentialism...after my heart are you? :fluffle:

You don't have a heart because you don't exist.

Or maybe youre just a dream of mine, created for my own amusement until I wake up. Or maybe we're all a part of the newest Max Barry novel and we dont know it.

"I can safley say that I'am just a mere extra charecter in a novel about a south Florida boy who becomes president and eventually destroys the world...I swear it must be Vonnegut's work...if he really exists, or my charecter just made him up to cope with my insignifigant place in this novel."

Page 254 Chap. 12 par. 4

You don't have a heart because you don't exist.

oh right...*ponders reality, or is it fantasy...who the hell are you? Does it matter?*

hmm, thats all a bit involved, I believe my philosophy teacher did his thesis on the basis of that theory basing it on the lottery, i.e if you buy 1 ticket you have a 1 in 6 to the power of 6 chance of winning. Which is a very small number which in most circumstances people would class as 0.
So why buy a lottery ticket?

A more interesting dilemma is:
If your sensory organs are sending signals to your brain with information about your surroundings, how do you know that say red things are red?

And please dont reply if you're gona say the, well it doesnt matter, it looks red arguement.

This is a question of language and shared perceptions. A red object is not inherently red. It is red because we have, with a joint consciousness, decided that what we have perceived is red. We have jointly assigned a definition to this perception and rigorously induct new consciousnesses into the shared reality.

This is also the basis for translations from one language to another. We translate the words which equate to our defined perceptions. And it is, perhaps, why certain types of people (such as those with serious autism) can't function in our society...their perception is so out of balance with the jointly agreed perception and society's definition of these perceptions that they simply cannot translate our meanings into their meanings.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHARLES.
GB2/limbo/

YOu do not exist, thus you do not have a head. CHARLES implies a person, and people are fictional beings. So out of curisoity, is fiction fiction?

Its quite simple, really.

Following the Adams Theory of Averages (That the Universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of planets, of which only a finite number are inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter), and the idea that reality is defined by the observer, then reality cannot have a definition since there is no observer to define reality.
Therefore, reality has no definition and as such does not exist.
Therefore, nationstates does not exist.
So, everybody stop posting and go home. Forum is over.

Well, if nothing exists, then Adam's Theory of Averages does not exist. (and thus is not true) Therefore, the universe could be finite, and thus something exists within it.

Your arguement defeats itself, even if assumed true. As several people before me have already posted, there are several problems with your arguement in the first place. For example, what makes you think that "Any finite number divided by infinity is so close to zero that it doesnt matter"? An electron's mass is almost infinitesimally small, yet it produces electricity and magnetism, extremely powerful forces.