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Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.

There are three political candidates for the Republicans who have a slim chance of having a go at the presidency, and they are trying to kill each other politically, with pundits behind Giuliani. Romney is getting hosed for being a weirdo Mormon. Paul is getting hosed for not being a hardcore rightwing crackpot. And Giuliani is deflecting all bullets about his past and stances using the Shield of September 11th he borrowed from Bush.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.

HAHAH! If I ever start a political website I want you as one of my columnists. :cool:

The whole situation is just like playing roulette with a Desert Eagle.

Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.

There are three political candidates for the Republicans who have a slim chance of having a go at the presidency, and they are trying to kill each other politically, with pundits behind Giuliani. Romney is getting hosed for being a weirdo Mormon. Paul is getting hosed for not being a hardcore rightwing crackpot. And Giuliani is deflecting all bullets about his past and stances using the Shield of September 11th he borrowed from Bush.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.

American Roulette?..hmm could catch on

Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.

There are three political candidates for the Republicans who have a slim chance of having a go at the presidency, and they are trying to kill each other politically, with pundits behind Giuliani. Romney is getting hosed for being a weirdo Mormon. Paul is getting hosed for not being a hardcore rightwing crackpot. And Giuliani is deflecting all bullets about his past and stances using the Shield of September 11th he borrowed from Bush.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.

lolz...Captain America's shield powered by stupid....So you predict Giuliani to win??

lolz...Captain America's shield powered by stupid....So you predict Giuliani to win??
I predict him to get the nomination and to put up a fight. He wins if there is another semi-serious terrorist attack on American soil. Otherwise, we can only hope people in America are smart enough to not fall for the September 11th bullshit over and over again.

Ah who am I kidding, the majority of voting Americans are dumber the machines counting their votes.

... September 11th!

Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.

There are three political candidates for the Republicans who have a slim chance of having a go at the presidency, and they are trying to kill each other politically, with pundits behind Giuliani. Romney is getting hosed for being a weirdo Mormon. Paul is getting hosed for not being a hardcore rightwing crackpot. And Giuliani is deflecting all bullets about his past and stances using the Shield of September 11th he borrowed from Bush.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.
except you can expect the Dems to weld "Iraq War" like Thor's hammer, hoping to blind everyone to their stances on all other issues.

so it's stupidity vs stupidity. blunt tactics vs blunt tactics.

a.k.a. politics as usual. :headbang:

I predict him to get the nomination and to put up a fight. He wins if there is another semi-serious terrorist attack on American soil. Otherwise, we can only hope people in America are smart enough to not fall for the September 11th bullshit over and over again.

Ah who am I kidding, the majority of voting Americans are dumber the machines counting their votes.

... September 11th!

And you think the Democratic Party candidates won't be stomping on each other trying to win?

It's the American Way!

It pays to be a winner! Fuck everything you stand for, or whatever may be right, because in politics, there is no second place.

Ron Paul 08'! I loathe the other Republican candidates.

I'm still of the opinion that anyone who is a front runner right now is nothing more than a clay pigeon and that the person who will emerge is the person laying low right now or is so inoffensive that no one is paying attention to him right now.

except you can expect the Dems to weld "Iraq War" like Thor's hammer, hoping to blind everyone to their stances on all other issues.

so it's stupidity vs stupidity. blunt tactics vs blunt tactics.

a.k.a. politics as usual. :headbang:

Ah, the ol' "Ignore the issues at hand, were talking about the past, here!" strategy.
Sheer political brilliance!

And you think the Democratic Party candidates won't be stomping on each other trying to win?


Which is why I changed the topic title. However, I didn't address them in the post because they havn't been trying to gun down each other like the Republicans are.

I'm still of the opinion that anyone who is a front runner right now is nothing more than a clay pigeon and that the person who will emerge is the person laying low right now or is so inoffensive that no one is paying attention to him right now.

Thats right, I'm gonna win in a landslide, just watch!

Which is why I changed the topic title. However, I didn't address them in the post because they havn't been trying to gun down each other like the Republicans are.

They started (Hillary and Obama) then knocked it off for a bit.

Just wait a bit, and I'm sure they'll start again.

They started (Hillary and Obama) then knocked it off for a bit.

Just wait a bit, and I'm sure they'll start again.

Indeed. They've only stopped so far because they're letting the Republican candidates destroy each other first, so they know who they are up against. Once that is known, they'll feel free to destroy each other until one stands triumphant.

Which is why I changed the topic title. However, I didn't address them in the post because they havn't been trying to gun down each other like the Republicans are.

Which is odd. Usually it's the Republicans who lock arms and compete for their party's votes in good faith, whilst the Democrats squabble amongst themselves. It shows what awful shape the Republican party is currently in. Having suffered near total defeat in November 2006, and grim prospects on the horizon in 2008, they're squabbling over the remains of their party...kinda like the Dems in 2004.

This is why I like the idea of Bloomberg running as an independent. Probably be the first and only time, I vote for the independent candidate in a Presidential election.

This is why I like the idea of Bloomberg running as an independent. Probably be the first and only time, I vote for the independent candidate in a Presidential election.

Too bad independents don't get the same abilities as the major parties.

Too bad independents don't get the same abilities as the major parties.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he can field more money than the other candidates with only a portion of his wealth. But then he'll split the Republican Mayor of New York Vote...

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he can field more money than the other candidates with only a portion of his wealth. But then he'll split the Republican Mayor of New York Vote...

He could field more money than all of the other candidates put together.

Legally, and without borrowing or taking any contributions whatsoever.

Too bad independents don't get the same abilities as the major parties.

They typically don't have the money, this is true, however, Bloomberg is a billionaire with 5 billion is liquid assets. He has already promised 1 billion of his own money to run, which is more than all the Democrat and Republican candidates have collectively gathered at this point.

This could actually be the first time we have an independent President. Assuming Bloomberg actually spends the money well.

The obvious choice...

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/cthulhu-2006.gif

He could field more money than all of the other candidates put together.

Legally, and without borrowing or taking any contributions whatsoever.

I said the same thing, before I read your post. If only I were a billionairre, I'd have to run too.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he can field more money than the other candidates with only a portion of his wealth. But then he'll split the Republican Mayor of New York Vote...
But that still doesn't get him on every state's ballot or in any of the debates.

But that still doesn't get him on every state's ballot or in any of the debates.

If he paid people to gather names, I'm sure he could get enough signatures to get on the ballot.

The other parties have a vested interest in controlling the media enough to keep him out of the debates, but money talks.

If he paid a network enough money, they would put him in the debate.

If he paid people to gather names, I'm sure he could get enough signatures to get on the ballot.

I think that's illegal...

But that still doesn't get him on every state's ballot or in any of the debates.

As mentioned, he can hire out the signature work, and Perot had enough juice to get in on the debates, and Bloomberg has more with, presumably, less crazy.

I think that's illegal...

It's illegal to pay people to sign, not to pay people to gather the signatures.

As mentioned, he can hire out the signature work, and Perot had enough juice to get in on the debates, and Bloomberg has more with, presumably less crazy.

Perot had more name recognition I'd say.

Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.


What if the gun is defective?

Bloomberg lost the police vote when he called the FOP a "fringe group".

Perot had more name recognition I'd say.

Seriously? Bloomberg's name is on the biggest financial information network around-even I've heard of it and I don't do shit with finances. On top of that he's the Mayor of New York, probably the only city where people know who the mayor is. I'd argue that at any given time there are more people who know who the mayor of New York is than the mayor of the town they live in.

Perot was just some Texas rich guy until he started to run. The only reason he has name recognition now is because of his presidential bid. It would seem to me that Bloomberg has so much more name recognition than Perot did at this stage that the comparison almost becomes ridiculous.

Seriously? Bloomberg's name is on the biggest financial information network around-even I've heard of it and I don't do shit with finances. On top of that he's the Mayor of New York, probably the only city where people know who the mayor is. I'd argue that at any given time there are more people who know who the mayor of New York is than the mayor of the town they live in.


I'd say people know the Daley's, simply because that monarchy has been in existence forever.

I really hope Ron Paul gets the nod in '08. In all of the Republican Candidates he seems the most sane one.

Perot had more name recognition I'd say.

Bloomberg is the mayor of New York. Perot was just a businessman with weak political asperations. I think Bloomberg actually stands a chance.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.I don't know, I think you could slowly chip away at the shield by bringing up all of the rescue workers who now have respiratory illnesses and comparing that to how long the cleanup of the towers was actually supposed to take.
Perhaps by encouraging these workers to file a class action suit against the city?

The obvious choice...

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/cthulhu-2006.gif
That's just stupid, Cthulhu can't be elected to the Presidency: he was born in Canada.

I really hope Ron Paul gets the nod in '08. In all of the Republican Candidates he seems the most sane one.

I'm not in the US, but from what I've read, you're dead right on that.

Unfortunately, it seems they're censoring him out of the race.

If Bloomberg splits anything it'll be the Democratic vote. He might be in the Republican Party but his political style, from what I've seen, is hardcore Democrat.

They are trying to censor Ron Paul because they know that most Independant and Conservatives who have a brain love what this guy stands for. Even some of my moderate liberal friends said they are hoping he wins so they can vote for him. To me, Ron Paul is the cure for what ails America. It's to bad that our Political System is fixed and he won't win anything other than ridicule from both parties, brainwashed Americans and both the Liberal and Conservative media. It's a shame indeed ...

Haven't been following the inner political scene much yet (It's May 07 for Christsake! The first primary doesn't happen until January 08 at least)

But Ron Paul sounds like John McCain in 2000 and he didn't get near winning. Now McCain comes back and suddenly sounds like a crazy right winger, it's annoying I was getting so pumped to vote for him over the Democratic but whatever I'm from Illinios and so therefore I am obligated to say Obama 08!

If Bloomberg splits anything it'll be the Democratic vote. He might be in the Republican Party but his political style, from what I've seen, is hardcore Democrat.

The Democrats aren't having party loyalty issues right now. While Bloomberg isn't a hardcore right-wingers, Republican unity is fragmented, and with the meltdown of GOP unity continuing, a former Republican running against the war and against the culture of corruption will split the GOP down the middle. The Dems are currently well situated in the progressive movement, and they are not likely to break under pressure.

I do agree with most of Ron Paul's platform, however:
http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/ron-pauls.html

I'm hoping that what he said was merely taken out of context, however these comments do make me suspicious, and wary of Ron Paul, and cautious of his sincerity. As to wether that makes me seem paranoid or not :confused:.

I really haven't found any canidate I can fully support in either the Republican or the Democratic ticket.
I havent been looking at the third parties all that much, but I feel the Independent, Socialists, the green, the Reform, and the Libertarian Parties won't even gain popularity amongst any large amount of citizens to even matter.

Now if only I could legally vote.
Yes call the only person who is against the war a racist. This is just another BS hit piece on the only honest politician running for president. Its amazing how certain trigger words can totally override a person's common sense. Its like some one saying "I think I will continue to vote for the warmongering, genocidal maniac who has killed 650,000 people in a BS war and will probably kill millions of people if a war with Iran starts. I know Ron Paul would stop the war in Iraq and not start a war with Iran but I would rather have Genocidal maniac in power instead of Ron Paul because I heard on some bullshit Internet web site Ron Paul may have said something racist."

That's just stupid, Cthulhu can't be elected to the Presidency: he was born in Canada.

Cthulhu doesn't need elections. HE WILL BE PRESIDENT.

I don't know, I think you could slowly chip away at the shield by bringing up all of the rescue workers who now have respiratory illnesses and comparing that to how long the cleanup of the towers was actually supposed to take.
Perhaps by encouraging these workers to file a class action suit against the city?

But that's unpatriotic and no one was made sick or injured, that is anti-Bush conspiracy theory. And the terrorists win.

Take a revolver with only one bullet and try to shoot your opponent with it.... but don't tell anyone that every chamber is loaded. The result is your opponent is dead in the water.

There are three political candidates for the Republicans who have a slim chance of having a go at the presidency, and they are trying to kill each other politically, with pundits behind Giuliani. Romney is getting hosed for being a weirdo Mormon. Paul is getting hosed for not being a hardcore rightwing crackpot. And Giuliani is deflecting all bullets about his past and stances using the Shield of September 11th he borrowed from Bush.

Sadly, this puts Giuliani in the running for the Republicans and no ability for anyone to do any damage to him by using the Shield of September 11th. It's like Captain America's shield, except it is powered by stupid.

Mmm...so it's between Clinton and Obama. And I'll be damned if I ever have to salute that woman.

I don't know, I think you could slowly chip away at the shield by bringing up all of the rescue workers who now have respiratory illnesses and comparing that to how long the cleanup of the towers was actually supposed to take.
Perhaps by encouraging these workers to file a class action suit against the city?

The big guns against Giuliani haven't come out yet. Wait until November or December and then watch the attack ads come out in Iowa and New Hampshire. And it won't be another candidate either--it'll be a 527 that calls itself "Americans for Family Values" or some such nonsense and that has Rudy's ex and his son, both of whom hate his guts right now, coming out and airing all the dirty laundry on the shitty way Rudy treated his second wife. Every pundit will decry it and call it dirty politics and Rudy will tank.

I'm not in the US, but from what I've read, you're dead right on that.

Unfortunately, it seems they're censoring him out of the race.

I know, the media is barely giving him any coverage, instead they're focused on Rudy, and Roomey, and what's sad is that in an MSN poll, Ron Paul won the first two debates.

I'm not in the US, but from what I've read, you're dead right on that.

Unfortunately, it seems they're censoring him out of the race.

Disturbingly so. It disturbs me how the media has responded to his comments about September 11th during the May 15th Debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_presidential_campaign%2C_2008#May_15_GOP_Presidential_Debate). They're still perpetuating the ridiculous theory that we were attacked because they "hate our freedom".

I was considering the demographics, and no matter which way I look at them, it seems that if Paul wins the GOP nomination he will also win the presidency, because he can distance himself from the flaws of the current administration, and he'll collect the libertarian vote in full.

However, if he isn't nominated as the gop candidate, he has little chances, and because most of his base are not gop members, but libertarians, and in many states they cannot vote him in the primaries, winning the primary seems unlikely.

The person who is the person who can give short, simple answers.

People don't want to hear long winded speeches, they want to hear about how the terrorists are not winning, how America is great, how the economy will do, and how the president will take care of the awful overseas evils that plague America and her values.

The person who will will also have made themselves out to be as anti-Bush as possible but religious, as morals and family values seem to play a big part in the eyes of the voters still.

Whoever can come up with the quickest way to get out of Iraq without hurting troop morale will win.

Am I oversimplifying? Maybe, but if you look at how people voted last time, there will likely be no change because if the status quo is adequate, people will strive to keep it that way. People are comfort creatures.

Whoever can come up with the quickest way to get out of Iraq without hurting troop morale will win.


Ehhhh, wrong. Withdrawing from Iraq makes the terrorists win and abandons the troops.

Ehhhh, wrong. Withdrawing from Iraq makes the terrorists win and abandons the troops.

Note I said WITHOUT hurting troop morale. So I'm not saying "abandon" the troops. I'm simply saying the person who can do both will be the popular one. The person who can end the conflict and not abandon the troops.

Note I said WITHOUT hurting troop morale. So I'm not saying "abandon" the troops. I'm simply saying the person who can do both will be the popular one. The person who can end the conflict and not abandon the troops.
The joke was so far over your head it had to take an oxygen tank.

The joke was so far over your head it had to take an oxygen tank.

If it was a joke, my humour metre is crying acid.

If it was a joke, my humour metre is crying acid.

The joke was, the Democrats are trying to get the troops out of Iraq and because of that, the pundits are accusing them of abandoning the troops.

The joke was, the Democrats are trying to get the troops out of Iraq and because of that, the pundits are accusing them of abandoning the troops.

Wah! You broke the 'thanks captain obvious' metre! You monster! :)