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One of these days I guess.

I`m currently at trade school (learning the theoretical part of the business, with is privatised security enforcement) and got myself in some serious trouble. Let me explain. One of the guys there whom I consider a friend went totally nuts today about a remark of mine and actually struck at me - a badly executed swinging blow against my jaw - which didn't do any serious damage (none of my teeth are loose, but I bit my own tongue a little resulting in a small, bleeding wound, which sealed itself by now).

You should know that "friend" of mine is actually a Pakistani muslim, raised in Germany though. I offended him by suggesting he "might go and fuck his own mum".

Exchanging little jibes with him (even jibs which other people might consider racist [e.g. me referring to him as "our sand ******" or Talibanjum [his name is Anjum], he calls me a "blond haired nazi", etc.] are quite common and generally in good spirit. Obviously my remark somehow crossed one of his barriers, he went totally mad, struck at me and threatened with more violence (that nice thing about cutting throats and sawing of heads) and actually attacked me again, but that time he didn't come through (fool thought he could stab my throat with his fingers, a attack easily evaded). He refused to accept my apology or to have a "talk like real men" and continued to insult me.

Unfortunately his outburst caused our class teacher and 2nd principal to show up and question what was going on.

Sucker thing is, I don't mind him for attacking me (I should have known that Islam folk is a little protective about their mothers), but now certain people want me to frame him for assault and battery. That teacher questioned me and demanded to know what happened and since his strike did leave some traces (red skin, bruises) he quiote didn't but my story of "nothing happened" and refused my statement of me taking full responsibility.

Sounds odd, me taking the blame, but that guy is barley twenty, mentally a child and a little hot-tempered. Not to mention his girl-friend is going pregnant with his child.

Should I testify he WILL loose his job and most likley will go to jail (he had a run in with the law already [possession of certain smokeables]). I wouldn't mind getting him out of the job (he can't control himself in a job which is a lot about self-control and discipline and keeping a cool head), but that would also have consequences for his wife to be and his child.

That's a responsibility I won't take, even if it means for me to take the blame. I got nothing to loose anyway...

What makes me angry and sad is that he doesn't accept my apology. Actually I don't regret saying what I did say, but I do regret being a insensitive about his feelings. Unlike him I'm grown up, mature and should have know which limits I can cross and which limits I shouldn't cross, thus provoking him (which still is no excuse for his behaviour, but a explanation).

Now the authorities at school want me to file a report truthfully (which I refused to do) and I might get trouble for not cooperating. Sounds odd, but I'd rather take that one for the team than to frame that guy - even if he deserves it.

Bad thing is there has been witness, some of them people whoi don't like that guy or don't like me. I doubt some of them will keep their noiseholes shut...

I feel like fuck right now. Thank god I got plenty of Jack D. at home.

Advice anyone, because for once in my life I really have no idea what to do.

Meh, he was probably just having a bad day and overreacted. Make sure you explain to him that it's not on, if he's friends with you he'll probably feel awful about it anyway (and not just for fear of getting reported). I'd leave it at that.

cant you truthfully fill out a report that glosses over the physical aspects of the fight? if it doesnt sound that bad maybe he wont get fired.

Two things spring to mind. I don't know where you are but do you not have the option of not reaporting it as a crime, and therefore not pressing charges?

Secondly, I suggest you wait for a few days, a week, whatever until he has calmed down then offer your appolgy again. Again I don't know what circles you move in or what behviour you expect from those you call friend, but in my world you can certianly engage in fisticuffs with your friends, and of course the good ones will forgive and forget.

What happens if you don't fill out the report? If you can deal with the effects, don't fill it out.

The witnesses obviously make it more difficult, but either way - doesn't the police need you to file a complaint (or whatever it's called in English, Anzeige erstatten in German) before they can actually do anything? Similarly for school. I mean, as long as you insist that nothing (bad) happened and refuse to press charges (aha! there's the expression! :p) can they really do anything?

Fuck him. He hit you for that comment? Far too touchy to be worth bothering with.

Incidentally, grow a spine.

If the guy has such a short fuse I'd hate to think what he might do to someone else if they insult him in the wrong way. He doesn't sound like someone who will be able to easily hold down the job anyway if he can react so violently to something like that.

I feel like fuck right now. Thank god I got plenty of Jack D. at home.

Advice anyone, because for once in my life I really have no idea what to do.don't visit Jack D. it impares your judgement.

Tell the truth. THE WHOLE TRUTH. say you offended him and while you did apologize for a rude remark, he still persisted in his attack

however, his inability to find a resolution other than violence could be desasterous, especially if he should encounter a real asshole or should he be armed.

and that is something the instructors should know about.

You are not responsible for his wife and child. it's harsh but he chose not to accept your apology and did choose to attack you physically.

However, no matter the reason, don't feed the rumor mill. keep it to the facts and squash anything you feel is wrong.

don't visit Jack D. it impares your judgement.

Tell the truth. THE WHOLE TRUTH. say you offended him and while you did apologize for a rude remark, he still persisted in his attack

however, his inability to find a resolution other than violence could be desasterous, especially if he should encounter a real asshole or should he be armed.

and that is something the instructors should know about.

You are not responsible for his wife and child. it's harsh but he chose not to accept your apology and did choose to attack you physically.

However, no matter the reason, don't feed the rumor mill. keep it to the facts and squash anything you feel is wrong.

Hey look, the voice of reason!:D

Umm apart from that Jack remark, it's his goddamned job!

Dude, you fucked it pretty badly. If you joke with someone, only talk about himself, never his family. I´m pretty sure I would feel insulted too.

Anyway, if you are friends, you should try apologizing. I dont think the justice should get involved in it, unless he keeps on threatening you. Anyway, if you feel in danger, you should report it and show how much damage he did to you.

Hey look, the voice of reason!:D

Umm apart from that Jack remark, it's his goddamned job!

Barbarian.

Vodka is so much better :D

One of these days I guess.

I`m currently at trade school (learning the theoretical part of the business, with is privatised security enforcement) and got myself in some serious trouble. Let me explain. One of the guys there whom I consider a friend went totally nuts today about a remark of mine and actually struck at me - a badly executed swinging blow against my jaw - which didn't do any serious damage (none of my teeth are loose, but I bit my own tongue a little resulting in a small, bleeding wound, which sealed itself by now).

You should know that "friend" of mine is actually a Pakistani muslim, raised in Germany though. I offended him by suggesting he "might go and fuck his own mum".

Exchanging little jibes with him (even jibs which other people might consider racist [e.g. me referring to him as "our sand ******" or Talibanjum [his name is Anjum], he calls me a "blond haired nazi", etc.] are quite common and generally in good spirit. Obviously my remark somehow crossed one of his barriers, he went totally mad, struck at me and threatened with more violence (that nice thing about cutting throats and sawing of heads) and actually attacked me again, but that time he didn't come through (fool thought he could stab my throat with his fingers, a attack easily evaded). He refused to accept my apology or to have a "talk like real men" and continued to insult me.

Unfortunately his outburst caused our class teacher and 2nd principal to show up and question what was going on.

Sucker thing is, I don't mind him for attacking me (I should have known that Islam folk is a little protective about their mothers), but now certain people want me to frame him for assault and battery. That teacher questioned me and demanded to know what happened and since his strike did leave some traces (red skin, bruises) he quiote didn't but my story of "nothing happened" and refused my statement of me taking full responsibility.

Sounds odd, me taking the blame, but that guy is barley twenty, mentally a child and a little hot-tempered. Not to mention his girl-friend is going pregnant with his child.

Should I testify he WILL loose his job and most likley will go to jail (he had a run in with the law already [possession of certain smokeables]). I wouldn't mind getting him out of the job (he can't control himself in a job which is a lot about self-control and discipline and keeping a cool head), but that would also have consequences for his wife to be and his child.

That's a responsibility I won't take, even if it means for me to take the blame. I got nothing to loose anyway...

What makes me angry and sad is that he doesn't accept my apology. Actually I don't regret saying what I did say, but I do regret being a insensitive about his feelings. Unlike him I'm grown up, mature and should have know which limits I can cross and which limits I shouldn't cross, thus provoking him (which still is no excuse for his behaviour, but a explanation).

Now the authorities at school want me to file a report truthfully (which I refused to do) and I might get trouble for not cooperating. Sounds odd, but I'd rather take that one for the team than to frame that guy - even if he deserves it.

Bad thing is there has been witness, some of them people whoi don't like that guy or don't like me. I doubt some of them will keep their noiseholes shut...

I feel like fuck right now. Thank god I got plenty of Jack D. at home.

Advice anyone, because for once in my life I really have no idea what to do.

I think you made the right decision. Putting aside your own personal feelings about him and giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially considering his wife and child, you're right to not do anything about it. Fuck the people who want you to file a report, if they have an agenda or a grudge, let them settle it with him on their own terms. Morally speaking, to forgive and forget is best, nothing else should come of this.

Barbarian.

Vodka is so much better :D

Bararian! Yeah I guess, I'm English so my ancesters could well have been. Umm unless they were Roman?

Vodka? Isn't that the drink of peasants? :p

Dude, you fucked it pretty badly. If you joke with someone, only talk about himself, never his family. I´m pretty sure I would feel insulted too.


I forgot to point out that he commonly referred to others as "freaks" (as in failed births) or "degenerates". I don't know, but as long as he suggest I might be a freak, thus putting a bad light on my mothers ability to give proper birth he should be able to take a joke on his mom in return...

Or am I mistaken?

The sort of thing which really made me feel angry about is is this: I considered him a friend. I admit I crossed the line with my remark, but from a friend I'd expect at least that he'd say "Hey, watch it, that comment was uncalled for. I don't like it, stop it!" instead of going physical. He should have known my comment wasn't meant as a serious "I hate you"-kind of insult. A rude comment perhaps, a very, very bad joke, but certainly nothing worth going physcial about.

As far as I'm concerned there is nothing I'd ever go physical about as far as insult are concerned. I learned not to listen if necessary.

But yeah, he's supposed to wear a uniform one day and BE calm and reasonable. He doubt he has what it takes to do so.

I think you made the right decision. Putting aside your own personal feelings about him and giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially considering his wife and child, you're right to not do anything about it. Fuck the people who want you to file a report, if they have an agenda or a grudge, let them settle it with him on their own terms. Morally speaking, to forgive and forget is best, nothing else should come of this.
Forgive and forget is one thing but to be physically attacked even after an apology?

and if he's in the same feild... can you imagine his reaction should a punk make the same comment while he's "on the job"?

But yeah, he's supposed to wear a uniform one day and BE calm and reasonable. He doubt he has what it takes to do so. with that in mind...

did you make your choice?

Meh, he was probably just having a bad day and overreacted. Make sure you explain to him that it's not on, if he's friends with you he'll probably feel awful about it anyway (and not just for fear of getting reported). I'd leave it at that.

I agree, he's got a lot on his mind no doubt. Not your problem of course. You say "friend" - how long have you known him exactly? Is he religious? Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi? Gotta be careful. The day in question may have been a special occasion.

You might end up filing a report anyway without pressing charges. Either way, it'll be a mark on his record. Keeping his record clean implies flak on your part. There's an old Chinese proverb that says (something along these lines): "A piece of paper blown into a courthouse takes 2 oxen to draw out"

"The lesser of two evils is still evil" - Jerry Garcia

You can either do nothing and hope it goes away/forgotten or do as JuNii says.

What happens if you don't fill out the report? If you can deal with the effects, don't fill it out.


I'll probably get disciplinaries and a written dissuasion.

Two things spring to mind. I don't know where you are but do you not have the option of not reaporting it as a crime, and therefore not pressing charges?

I have the option not to press charges. But company rules might get in the way, especially if the school reports the incident and they can get both him and me in trouble because we did pick a fight (I actually was defending myself) on school territory which is a 100% infraction of their domestic authority.

In addition they can do nasty stuff such as order us to stay away or ground us for a limited amount of time.


however, his inability to find a resolution other than violence could be desasterous, especially if he should encounter a real asshole or should he be armed.

and that is something the instructors should know about.


My thoughts exactly.

Today he attacks you, tomorrow he blows up a car..

Today he attacks you, tomorrow he blows up a car..

And on day 3? Tea Party!

And on day 3? Tea Party!

And we all know where Tea Parties lead. Before we know this guy will be leading a revolution.

And on day 3? Tea Party!

And we all know where Tea Parties lead. Before we know this guy will be leading a revolution.

*flees in fear*

Don't know how the legal system works where you're at, but here if you refuse to prosecute, there are no charges brought. This being school, that might be out of your hands. I would, however, refuse to cooperate in any disciplinary action they might initiate within school.

I would, however, apologize for the comment about his mother, explain your position vis a vis the potential charges and your total noninvolvement with them and hope he decides to move on from there. If he decides to continue being hostile, just keep your distance as much as is possible and tell him that as far as you are concerned, the issue is over. The rest is up to him. Just keep in mind that you do not put yourself in a position where you initiate any future confrontations with him. The next time you might not be so lucky.

Sorry about that.

I forgot to point out that he commonly referred to others as "freaks" (as in failed births) or "degenerates". I don't know, but as long as he suggest I might be a freak, thus putting a bad light on my mothers ability to give proper birth he should be able to take a joke on his mom in return...

Or am I mistaken?

The sort of thing which really made me feel angry about is is this: I considered him a friend. I admit I crossed the line with my remark, but from a friend I'd expect at least that he'd say "Hey, watch it, that comment was uncalled for. I don't like it, stop it!" instead of going physical. He should have known my comment wasn't meant as a serious "I hate you"-kind of insult. A rude comment perhaps, a very, very bad joke, but certainly nothing worth going physcial about.

As far as I'm concerned there is nothing I'd ever go physical about as far as insult are concerned. I learned not to listen if necessary.

But yeah, he's supposed to wear a uniform one day and BE calm and reasonable. He doubt he has what it takes to do so.

Yeah, his fuse is just a tad short. In the workplace, those comments are usually pretty common. You have to learn to roll with it or they will eat you alive. Most guys see being deferential as a sign of weakness. If you already apologized try not to sweat it. You have already done what you can to make it right.

One of these days I guess.

I`m currently at trade school (learning the theoretical part of the business, with is privatised security enforcement) and got myself in some serious trouble. Let me explain. One of the guys there whom I consider a friend went totally nuts today about a remark of mine and actually struck at me - a badly executed swinging blow against my jaw - which didn't do any serious damage (none of my teeth are loose, but I bit my own tongue a little resulting in a small, bleeding wound, which sealed itself by now).

You should know that "friend" of mine is actually a Pakistani muslim, raised in Germany though. I offended him by suggesting he "might go and fuck his own mum".

Exchanging little jibes with him (even jibs which other people might consider racist [e.g. me referring to him as "our sand ******" or Talibanjum [his name is Anjum], he calls me a "blond haired nazi", etc.] are quite common and generally in good spirit. Obviously my remark somehow crossed one of his barriers, he went totally mad, struck at me and threatened with more violence (that nice thing about cutting throats and sawing of heads) and actually attacked me again, but that time he didn't come through (fool thought he could stab my throat with his fingers, a attack easily evaded). He refused to accept my apology or to have a "talk like real men" and continued to insult me.

Unfortunately his outburst caused our class teacher and 2nd principal to show up and question what was going on.

Sucker thing is, I don't mind him for attacking me (I should have known that Islam folk is a little protective about their mothers), but now certain people want me to frame him for assault and battery. That teacher questioned me and demanded to know what happened and since his strike did leave some traces (red skin, bruises) he quiote didn't but my story of "nothing happened" and refused my statement of me taking full responsibility.

Sounds odd, me taking the blame, but that guy is barley twenty, mentally a child and a little hot-tempered. Not to mention his girl-friend is going pregnant with his child.

Should I testify he WILL loose his job and most likley will go to jail (he had a run in with the law already [possession of certain smokeables]). I wouldn't mind getting him out of the job (he can't control himself in a job which is a lot about self-control and discipline and keeping a cool head), but that would also have consequences for his wife to be and his child.

That's a responsibility I won't take, even if it means for me to take the blame. I got nothing to loose anyway...

What makes me angry and sad is that he doesn't accept my apology. Actually I don't regret saying what I did say, but I do regret being a insensitive about his feelings. Unlike him I'm grown up, mature and should have know which limits I can cross and which limits I shouldn't cross, thus provoking him (which still is no excuse for his behaviour, but a explanation).

Now the authorities at school want me to file a report truthfully (which I refused to do) and I might get trouble for not cooperating. Sounds odd, but I'd rather take that one for the team than to frame that guy - even if he deserves it.

Bad thing is there has been witness, some of them people whoi don't like that guy or don't like me. I doubt some of them will keep their noiseholes shut...

I feel like fuck right now. Thank god I got plenty of Jack D. at home.

Advice anyone, because for once in my life I really have no idea what to do.

Why can't we all just get along........I think you both should take a while to cool down and talk........I guess.............

A whiskey, the solution to most of problems. Offer him some:P

Yes, well, there is no proper answer. If it were myself, I would be pretty dam annoyed and would have sued he ass to court, but what would jesus do. :P

Well, I suppose, be the pacifist. Tell him you have nothing against him and do not mind what he did because you obviously crossed one of his boundaries. Then fill in your form with the physical aspects, while clearly stating you don't wish to press charges. Also, if you do not stand as a witness there is no case (at least in Britain) so then he won't suffer because of your actions.

I see it as kind of washing your hands of any blame.

If this is a one time incident, tell him up front that you resent being hit, and make it clear that you didn't mean for it to escalate but your friend could have shown some form of restraint. Then tell him you are going to keep your distance for a while if he's going to let anger take hold of him.

From your description, the character in question seems to be highly unstable and wholly unsavory. His uncontrollable rage at the slightest slight suggests that he is a fundamentally self-righteous and violent man. He is a potential terrorist. Not only should you endeavor to confine this man to cell for the longest amount of time you possibly can, but you should also report any previous suspicious behavior in which he has engaged. Perhaps the government will intervene and transport him to Guantánamo in order to prevent him from causing any further damage to America and its citizens. And remember: just because he is your friend does not preclude him from concocting a devilish scheme of slaughter behind your back. Many Islamic fiends put on a façade of normalcy while secretly plotting to inflict grievous damage upon this country; don't be fooled by his good-natured exterior, for it may belie a treacherous and foul interior. May God be with you in whatever course of action you choose to embark upon.

He is a potential terrorist

That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

I'd go further and say his own state is a bit extreme.

I'd go further and say his own state is a bit extreme.

I'm getting that feeling again... :(

That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

One can never be sufficiently cautious when dealing with such dangerous extremist elements.

One can never be sufficiently cautious when dealing with such dangerous extremist elements.

Even if it is paranoid and extreme in its own right?

Even if it is paranoid and extreme in its own right?

Read FAG's record of posts. I don't think he gets to call anyone "extreme".

Even if it is paranoid and extreme in its own right?

There was ample information to extrapolate a trend of propensity for violence, reckless disregard of moral and societal precepts, irrational rage and hatred, self-righteousness, devotion to flawed ideals, etc. These are the marks of the most diabolical men in the world, and this individual also possesses these defining characteristics. Wariness, at the very least, would be wise when faced with a seemingly implacable foe.

One of these days I guess.

I`m currently at trade school (learning the theoretical part of the business, with is privatised security enforcement) and got myself in some serious trouble. Let me explain. One of the guys there whom I consider a friend went totally nuts today about a remark of mine and actually struck at me - a badly executed swinging blow against my jaw - which didn't do any serious damage (none of my teeth are loose, but I bit my own tongue a little resulting in a small, bleeding wound, which sealed itself by now).

You should know that "friend" of mine is actually a Pakistani muslim, raised in Germany though. I offended him by suggesting he "might go and fuck his own mum".

Exchanging little jibes with him (even jibs which other people might consider racist [e.g. me referring to him as "our sand ******" or Talibanjum [his name is Anjum], he calls me a "blond haired nazi", etc.] are quite common and generally in good spirit. Obviously my remark somehow crossed one of his barriers, he went totally mad, struck at me and threatened with more violence (that nice thing about cutting throats and sawing of heads) and actually attacked me again, but that time he didn't come through (fool thought he could stab my throat with his fingers, a attack easily evaded). He refused to accept my apology or to have a "talk like real men" and continued to insult me.

Unfortunately his outburst caused our class teacher and 2nd principal to show up and question what was going on.

Sucker thing is, I don't mind him for attacking me (I should have known that Islam folk is a little protective about their mothers), but now certain people want me to frame him for assault and battery. That teacher questioned me and demanded to know what happened and since his strike did leave some traces (red skin, bruises) he quiote didn't but my story of "nothing happened" and refused my statement of me taking full responsibility.

Sounds odd, me taking the blame, but that guy is barley twenty, mentally a child and a little hot-tempered. Not to mention his girl-friend is going pregnant with his child.

Should I testify he WILL loose his job and most likley will go to jail (he had a run in with the law already [possession of certain smokeables]). I wouldn't mind getting him out of the job (he can't control himself in a job which is a lot about self-control and discipline and keeping a cool head), but that would also have consequences for his wife to be and his child.

That's a responsibility I won't take, even if it means for me to take the blame. I got nothing to loose anyway...

What makes me angry and sad is that he doesn't accept my apology. Actually I don't regret saying what I did say, but I do regret being a insensitive about his feelings. Unlike him I'm grown up, mature and should have know which limits I can cross and which limits I shouldn't cross, thus provoking him (which still is no excuse for his behaviour, but a explanation).

Now the authorities at school want me to file a report truthfully (which I refused to do) and I might get trouble for not cooperating. Sounds odd, but I'd rather take that one for the team than to frame that guy - even if he deserves it.

Bad thing is there has been witness, some of them people whoi don't like that guy or don't like me. I doubt some of them will keep their noiseholes shut...

I feel like fuck right now. Thank god I got plenty of Jack D. at home.

Advice anyone, because for once in my life I really have no idea what to do.

Bah, our nation is being wussified, mark my words. He's a MAN, give him a break. You gotta let out your anger some time. It's too-bad he won't forgive you, but really, unless you think he's capable of doing soemthing more violent, you should do everything possible on his behalf.