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Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)

JAKARTA, Indonesia - An Indonesian fisherman hooked a rare coelacanth, a species once thought as extinct as dinosaurs, and briefly kept the "living fossil" alive in a quarantined pool.

Justinus Lahama caught the four-foot, 110-pound fish early Saturday off Sulawesi island near Bunaken National Marine Park, which has some of the highest marine biodiversity in the world.

The fish died 17 hours later, an extraordinary survival time, marine biologist Lucky Lumingas said Sunday.

"The fish should have died within two hours because this species only lives in deep, cold-sea environment," he said. Lumingas works at the local Sam Ratulangi University, which plans to study the carcass.

The coelacanth (pronounced SEE-la-kanth) was believed to be extinct for 65 million years until one was found in 1938 off Africa's coast, igniting worldwide interest. Several other specimens have since been discovered, including another off Sulawesi island in 1998.

The powerful predator is highly mobile with limb-like fins, and it gives birth to live young rather than laying eggs.

If there's one then there's another. And if you're serious then we should kill you instead. Besides the thing was going to die anyway, it's not exactly like you can just drop it back in and hope it survives to make the long trip to the bottom.

At least this guy didn't kill it and sell it as an aphrodisiac like Chinese poachers do with Indian tigers. He at least tried to keep the thing alive rather than recklessly kill for profit.

I think we should kill you (TLA) and the fisherman and use the carcasses to feed baby coelacanthes.

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)

Although a foolish move, he was unaware of the rarity and signifigance of the fish, and really such a punishment is extreme.

A tragedy for science indeed, but men have made worse mistakes.

I hope he mounted it when it died. Those things are fucking awesome. I want to catch a coelacanth.

Mmm... armored fishsticks! :)

I hope he mounted it when it died. Those things are fucking awesome. I want to catch a coelacanth.

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

I think we should kill you (TLA) and the fisherman and use the carcasses to feed baby coelacanthes.
Good luck finding any babies Soviet! :P You'll have to search that ocean for a long time! Maybe some Giant squid (which are supposedly not extinct either) will eat you while you're searching.

But I wouldn't be suprised if we find more now, kind of like how we thought the horseshoe crab was extinct.

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)
As usual of late, Sel Appa, you overreact. He had no idea how rare this fish was and we shouldn't kill him for killing it. Fuck, we should never kill him, because that--THAT--would be savage.
At least this guy didn't kill it and sell it as an aphrodisiac like Chinese poachers do with Indian tigers. He at least tried to keep the thing alive rather than recklessly kill for profit.
And as usual, Vetalia sounds quite reasonable.

Odds are he probably never knew what it really was, just thought it a neat fish, and because of that he tried to keep it alive. I do hope the species continues to thrive though...they are absolutely remarkable in how they show that evolution need not occur if they are as well adapted to their environment as they are, even over 65,000,000 years.

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

YAY! :D

Some savage fisherman...

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)

Ouch. Was that necessary? It could have been possible he didn't understand the fish's living environment.

Maybe not, but hey.

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

*Thinks*

Ewwwwww

Hey, its fins actually do look a bit like limbs. Looks like an oversize tadpole or something.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/coelacanth/CoelArnaz66.jpg

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

You never know...the fish might get off.

You never know...the fish might get off.
Wait, these coelacanthis are capable of postmortem orgasms?
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That is some goddamn fish.

I'm not really sure what else there is to say about this.

I'd have to agree with Vetalia. The guy is a poor fisherman, who stumbled onto a rather remarkable fish. I'd certainly keep one. But before seeing this thread, i had no idea that they even existed. So it's real easy to see how a fisherman could not recognize the fish and therefor not keep it in the right environment. Frankly I'm surprised the press even got hold of this story...

Wait, these coelacanthis are capable of postmortem orgasms?
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That is some goddamn fish.

I'm not really sure what else there is to say about this.

It was meant as an obscure joke in regards to the mounting bit. You know, the fish might get off...as in getting off the mount.

...sorry, was it too obscure?

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

I believe the term "mounted", at least in the context that UNITIHU meant, is in reference to taxidermy, not having sex with a dead fish.

I believe the term "mounted", at least in the context that UNITIHU meant, is in reference to taxidermy, not having sex with a dead fish.

um...I think Soviet was being ironic, there, Gun...

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Given that the Coelocanth is most famous for having successfully pretended to be dead for 4 million years I think we should poke this particular specimen repeatedly with a stick just to make sure it ain't playing possum.

I'm not sure how necrozoophilia would help the situation.

:eek: ugh....

Given that the Coelocanth is most famous for having successfully pretended to be dead for 4 million years I think we should poke this particular specimen repeatedly with a stick just to make sure it ain't playing possum.

Lets Play Hide and Seek with it!! :p

Lets Play Hide and Seek with it!! :p

Hide and Seek, Shag or Die, Soggy Biscuit, Put Some Sellotape On The Fridge, whatever - who am I to say? - knock yourself out, but I still think Sardines would be more thematically in spirit with the whole affair.

Neat. I'd pay $50 for one of those.

This whole thread is nothing but Sel Appa's excuse to call a dark-skinned foreigner "savage" and "uncivilized." A piss-poor excuse, at that.

This whole thread is nothing but Sel Appa's excuse to call a dark-skinned foreigner "savage" and "uncivilized." A piss-poor excuse, at that.

Instead of slapping him with the standard trout, we could slap him with a coelocanth. Armored fish ftw! :)

This whole thread is nothing but Sel Appa's excuse to call a dark-skinned foreigner "savage" and "uncivilized." A piss-poor excuse, at that.

Do we have any evidence that Justinus Lahama was in fact 'dark-skinned'?

More entertainingly: it is the mental disjunct between 'good' fishing and 'bad' fishing that I find funny here.

I believe the term "mounted", at least in the context that UNITIHU meant, is in reference to taxidermy, not having sex with a dead fish.

Thats what you think.

Do we have any evidence that Justinus Lahama was in fact 'dark-skinned'?


Well, besides being Indonesian, he was a fisherman, and they almost always have darker skin than urban land-lubbers. It's an assumption on my part, but I bet I'm not the only one.

Neat. I'd pay $50 for one of those.

Or you can pay a dollar for 50 goldfish

Or you can pay a dollar for 50 goldfish

What to do? What to do?

This whole thread is nothing but Sel Appa's excuse to call a dark-skinned foreigner "savage" and "uncivilized." A piss-poor excuse, at that.

Really? Where the hell are you getting this from? I don't recall Sel Appa as ever expressing any sort of racist tendencies. I say you are overreacting, much like he was.

But I wouldn't be suprised if we find more now, kind of like how we thought the horseshoe crab was extinct.

Despite it's name as a "living fossil" Horseshoe crabs where never thought to be extinct; the frequently surface on the shores of manhatten. They're named such because of little change over millions of years.

Thats what you think.

EW! :eek:

Given that the Coelocanth is most famous for having successfully pretended to be dead for 4 million years I think we should poke this particular specimen repeatedly with a stick just to make sure it ain't playing possum.

65 million, my friend. 65 million.

http://www.dinofish.com/

Coelocanth was the poster child for Cryptozoology for ages. Along with the Okapi, nobody seems to recognize how long the large Mountain Guerilla existed as an undiscovered species these days heh.

There have been various other species we thought to be extinct and later found living examples of.
Chacoan Peccary
Gallotia gomerana
Cuscomys ashaninka
Chinese crested tern
Central Rock Rat of Australia


It took sixty-seven years from the time westerners discovered the Giant Panda until we actually tracked down and caught a living example of the species. Theres plenty of animal species out there we have yet to find.

I'd love to see a tasmanian tiger found among the still living creatures of the world, but I don't see that one happening.

http://lorencoleman.com/top_cryptids.html

What's with all the blood thirsty tree huggers in this thread?

http://www.dinofish.com/

Coelocanth was the poster child for Cryptozoology for ages. Along with the Okapi, nobody seems to recognize how long the large Mountain Guerilla existed as an undiscovered species these days heh.

There have been various other species we thought to be extinct and later found living examples of.
Chacoan Peccary
Gallotia gomerana
Cuscomys ashaninka
Chinese crested tern
Central Rock Rat of Australia


It took sixty-seven years from the time westerners discovered the Giant Panda until we actually tracked down and caught a living example of the species. Theres plenty of animal species out there we have yet to find.

I'd love to see a tasmanian tiger found among the still living creatures of the world, but I don't see that one happening.

http://lorencoleman.com/top_cryptids.html

Eh, some crypto-animals really don't exist.

Like Bigfoot. North America is a literal freaking wasteland for large primates, and quite frankly the environment is just not suited for them.

Same holds true for the "Loch Ness Monster", which "lives" in a lake that is incredibly underpopulated with fish and other food sources.

However, the Tasmanian Tiger *could* still live, as a small population may have survived the 70-ish years since it's *official* declaration of extinction. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

What's with all the blood thirsty tree huggers in this thread?

Eh, the Coelocanth is an important, and rare, animal.

Not saying the guy should be shot, but it really needs protecting.

65 million, my friend. 65 million.

You're right. Wonder where I got the figure of 4 million from? Mea culpa.

Instead of slapping him with the standard trout, we could slap him with a coelocanth. Armored fish ftw! :)

We do have a dead coelocanth and nothing to do with it.

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)

That bastard.
Clearly he wasnt trying to show people the fascinating thing he had found...and as we all know the Indonesian Fisherman are about as well educated a group of Marine Biologists as one can find.
Certainly he was well aware of the situation.
He should be hung by his thumbs and have his family beaten to death before his eyes...or you could just get over it.

And for those who dont read the article ..."The coelacanth (pronounced SEE-la-kanth) was believed to be extinct for 65 million years until one was found in 1938 off Africa's coast, igniting worldwide interest. Several other specimens have since been discovered, including another off Sulawesi island in 1998."
TO add clearity to the OPs post which makes it sound like we still still thought this things were extinct, we dont...because they are not.

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to.

No, wrong, the end. You fail at knowing anything about anything sea related. It died because it lives in water so deep it would crush your puny skeleton likely. It was probably killed by the bends.

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_au_an/indonesia_living_fossil)

I don't know about killing him. However, he should be severly punished. Fined, maybe even some kind of jail time. But come on killed?

However, he should be severly punished. Fined, maybe even some kind of jail time. But come on killed?
For what? Accidentally catching a fish and keeping it alive longer than anyone could be expected to?

What's with all the blood thirsty tree huggers in this thread?

All one of them?




Maybe he was trying to get the Golden Rod to make fishing easier...

Some savage fisherman decided to keep an extremely rare fish and killed by putting it in warmer water than it is used to. I think we should kill this moron for destroying the fish.

I think I don't care.


Maybe he was trying to get the Golden Rod to make fishing easier...

I don't remember the reference but *catfish cookie*

If this piece of news had come out in 1940, I'd be surprised. However, said fish, though rare to see for humans, is still well alive as a species and its population size is unknown.

Since human actions on a grander scale are what they are, I think said fisherman was anything but savage (he did put it in water), but that if the population of coelocanthus is small, it's doomed anyway. Human species is raping the oceans faster than anyone can conceive rationally.

Same holds true for the "Loch Ness Monster", which "lives" in a lake that is incredibly underpopulated with fish and other food sources.

It's underpopulated 'cos Nessie's eating all the food :D

Maybe he was trying to get the Golden Rod to make fishing easier...

Animal Crossing?

I don't remember the reference but *catfish cookie*

I cheated because I didn't really know it. Just having to spend WAY too much time watching people play Animal Crossing made me go look it up to make that reference.
Animal Crossing?
What she said.

It's underpopulated 'cos Nessie's eating all the food :D

lol

But I wouldn't be suprised if we find more now, kind of like how we thought the horseshoe crab was extinct.
No one ever thought the horseshoe crab was extinct.