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http://www.zeropaid.com/news/8776/The+Pirate+Bay+to+set+up+video+streaming+site

"The Pirate Bay has confirmed that is working on a streaming video site with user-generated content. A spokesman said the site will be modeled after YouTube but there will be 'no censorship': The Pirate Bay 'will not be the moral police' and determine what content stays or goes as is oftentimes the case with YouTube. He added that 'the community will have to do that.'"

I, for one, cannot wait. If they can get this off the ground, while not getting their asses prosecuted off, it should be good stuff.

They're not getting their asses sued. They're getting their asses prosecuted.

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This looks interesting; I hope all goes as planned.

Better?

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This looks interesting; I hope all goes as planned.
Caturday was yesterday.

I hope so too. I was quite mad when Youtube go rid of allot of my favourite videos. I wonder what format they will use...

Caturday was yesterday.

I hope so too. I was quite mad when Youtube go rid of allot of my favourite videos. I wonder what format they will use...

Ah shit, that's right. I feel a day behind. :(

Better?

Not really... "while not getting their asses prosecuted off"?

Would a better knife help you with your butchering of the language?

Not really... "while not getting their asses prosecuted off"?

Would a better knife help you with your butchering of the language?
i spek teh ppls wordz, word

Huzzah! Freely flowing information! :D I'm all for this.

Huzzah! Freely flowing information! :D I'm all for this.seconded :D

i spek teh ppls wordz, word

Izzit blud.

I hope so too. I was quite mad when Youtube go rid of allot of my favourite videos. I wonder what format they will use...
Yeah Ph33r the Copyright police that's running the place.

Personally until you get a Cease and Desist from the owner of the company, they shouldn't remove ANY videos.

And user made videos shouldn't be bothered with at all.

There is one thing they DO need to do...

Ban those chain letter idiots!

Can I search for teh pr0n??? :D :p

Yeah Ph33r the Copyright police that's running the place.

Personally until you get a Cease and Desist from the owner of the company, they shouldn't remove ANY videos.

And user made videos shouldn't be bothered with at all.

There is one thing they DO need to do...

Ban those chain letter idiots!
Actually, allot of them were dropped because they were to long. So now I have to watch Lewis Black do stand up in 10 minute segments, and have to figure out the order they should be in.

so it will be like youtube only with criticism of Thailand's king?

I don't care to all too great an extent about video sites, but I wish them well; may their sinister plans succeed.;)

so it will be like youtube only with criticism of Thailand's king?
Suck it, Adulyadej! Soon, I shall be able to distribute my utterly devestating critique of your regime, and reveal you as the poseur to Rhama-dom that you are. King Jessadabodindra could take you with one arm and both his testes tied behind his back.

Youtube was like that in the start. But then they started making money and realized they could become bilionairies if they played their cards right and sold it.

When it goes down to money, people lose their morality. Power corrupts anyone.

Youtube was like that in the start. But then they started making money and realized they could become bilionairies if they played their cards right and sold it.

When it goes down to money, people lose their morality. Power corrupts anyone.

Breach of copyright is a morally good thing? Really?

Breach of copyright is a morally good thing? Really?

I guess that depends on how you see ideas and whether you consider the idea of intellectual property to be valid. If you don't see it as valid, then obviously copyright infringement is morally obligated.

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/8776/The+Pirate+Bay+to+set+up+video+streaming+site



I, for one, cannot wait. If they can get this off the ground, while not getting their asses prosecuted off, it should be good stuff.

When can we start using it?....

I guess that depends on how you see ideas and whether you consider the idea of intellectual property to be valid. If you don't see it as valid, then obviously copyright infringement is morally obligated.
IP = crap *nod*

IP = crap *nod*
Why? Honest question. I'm confused as to why some people think that intellectual property is nonsense.

Pirate Bay: The Future Depository of Child Porn and Drug Gang Trash Talk Vids!

Why? Honest question. I'm confused as to why some people think that intellectual property is nonsense.
Well, there are a few approaches. Most commonly, people argue about that being able to own an idea is simply nonsense. It not like an apple, which when you give away is gone. You give the idea to someone else and you both have it, who owns it? Both know the idea, and both could use it to create new ideas. Which leads to the second argument: it slows development. The more people that are allowed to use the idea, instead of either knowing it and pretending that they do not, or just not knowing it, the more people you have to use that idea to create new ideas, or replace old ideas with more accurate ones. An good scenario is Newton's Laws: what if he patented his Laws, under a system of perpetual patents (ie patents that never expire, allot of people argue for this as they think that a patent expiring is basically the same as the government robbing them)? Well, quite simply, we'd be fucked. His laws are the basis of our entire understanding of mechanics. What if he had to get permission, possibly paying to get it, from Isaac, or his heir, to right F=dp/dt on a piece of paper,etc, etc. Then you ask what other advances we are missing out on because the foundation was someone elses property, yadda yadda, yadda. Then there is development, again. IP allows companies to be inefficient and stagnant because it eliminates their competition. If your competition isn't allowed to implement feature X in their product, you don't have to make feature X any better in your product, because it will only be in your product (unless your IP lawyers really suck, which happens). The idea behind capitalism is that competition will force companies to better their products and increase their efficiency. IP is said to kill or reduce that competition which catalyzes that betterment.
Wow, that was a long post. Now watch someone kill it with a slick one liner.

I guess that depends on how you see ideas and whether you consider the idea of intellectual property to be valid. If you don't see it as valid, then obviously copyright infringement is morally obligated. intellectual property is valid? I am not so sure.
Anyhow I voted "Awesome"

TPB FTW and many other delightful acronyms.

Well, there are a few approaches. Most commonly, people argue about that being able to own an idea is simply nonsense. It not like an apple, which when you give away is gone. You give the idea to someone else and you both have it, who owns it? Both know the idea, and both could use it to create new ideas. Which leads to the second argument: it slows development. The more people that are allowed to use the idea, instead of either knowing it and pretending that they do not, or just not knowing it, the more people you have to use that idea to create new ideas, or replace old ideas with more accurate ones. An good scenario is Newton's Laws: what if he patented his Laws, under a system of perpetual patents (ie patents that never expire, allot of people argue for this as they think that a patent expiring is basically the same as the government robbing them)? Well, quite simply, we'd be fucked. His laws are the basis of our entire understanding of mechanics. What if he had to get permission, possibly paying to get it, from Isaac, or his heir, to right F=dp/dt on a piece of paper,etc, etc. Then you ask what other advances we are missing out on because the foundation was someone elses property, yadda yadda, yadda. Then there is development, again. IP allows companies to be inefficient and stagnant because it eliminates their competition. If your competition isn't allowed to implement feature X in their product, you don't have to make feature X any better in your product, because it will only be in your product (unless your IP lawyers really suck, which happens). The idea behind capitalism is that competition will force companies to better their products and increase their efficiency. IP is said to kill or reduce that competition which catalyzes that betterment.
Wow, that was a long post. Now watch someone kill it with a slick one liner.

The problem with that is that without IP, a person who makes a good book or song or whatever can't know that he'll be compensated, so it no longer becomes a viable life plan for anyone but the rich to concentrate on any kind of art. I should know that, if I write a book, the first guy who gets a hold of it can't just make photocopies and start selling them on the streetcorner. It's a necessary part of the system.

Though to be honest, it's not individuals we have to worry about when it comes to Intellectual property: It's corporations.

Though to be honest, it’s not individuals we have to worry about when it comes to Intellectual property: It’s corporations.
Those buggers will patent anything.

Those buggers will patent anything.
It's true. Some have a team of lawyers who will look at competitors patents and try to patent anything that the could derive from the patent, or parts that were forgotten. ie if the competitor patented seatbelts, they would patent the buckle.

The problem with that is that without IP, a person who makes a good book or song or whatever can't know that he'll be compensated, so it no longer becomes a viable life plan for anyone but the rich to concentrate on any kind of art. I should know that, if I write a book, the first guy who gets a hold of it can't just make photocopies and start selling them on the streetcorner. It's a necessary part of the system.

Though to be honest, it's not individuals we have to worry about when it comes to Intellectual property: It's corporations.
Who is going to stand at a photocopier and scan every page in a book? How many hundreds of copies would they have to make to damage book sales noticeably and how long would that take? Who would buy a bunch of copier papers when they can buy a nice real book?

I don't think authors of paperbooks would starve without copyright. Musicians who do concerts would still make money but techno music would be out of business. Online games would still prosper but single player games would die. Computer programs are already moving to the "software as a service" and "sell support for free open source software" business models so no problem for them. The big problem would be that I don't think there is any way for TV and movies to make a profit if people are watching videos on sites like the one discussed here instead of on TV or cinema.

So culture would survive without copyright, it was around for thousands of years before copyright was invented. But it would change and some parts of modern culture would dissapear.

As for patents. They don't protect the little inventor anymore. It's far too expensive to patent an invention, sue the first megacorp that starts producing the invention and defend against whatever counter claims their army of lawyers can dig up. Patents have turned into the nukes of the legal battlefield. The more patents you have when someone sues you, the bigger the chance you can sue them over one of their products violating one of your patents. Big corps get thousands of patents per year and everyone are accidentally violating eachothers patents because there are far too many patents to avoid it. The only thing that keeps the peace is the threat of mutually assured destruction. And this was not how patents where originally meant to be used.

Can I search for teh pr0n??? :D :p

There's already a porno youtube clone.

There's already a porno youtube clone.

Several. And they all suck... so I hear.

Several. And they all suck... so I hear.

Is that not the point of a porn site? ;)

Several. And they all suck... so I hear.

Alas, the average person that submits their home made porn is not always as hot as a professional porn star.

Alas, the average person that submits their home made porn is not always as hot as a professional porn star.

Only if your definition of 'hot' is the fantasy of sleeping with a life sized Barbie.

While I don't use PB for my torrents (no good anime! :() I will probably use their answer to YouTube since YouTube sucks donkey balls these days.

Only if your definition of 'hot' is the fantasy of sleeping with a life sized Barbie.

Mmmmmmm, barbie

This should be good provided it doesn't fill up with child pornography. If it has CP on it I'll avoid it like the fucking plague. And you all should too, for god's sake. But if I can stream episodes of things that get deleted elsewhere I'll be a very happy bunny. The normal argument that the creator and vendor of the video loses nothing if someone streams it for free when the chance of them paying for it is negligible is far from airtight, but for certain it's no skin off my nose and it would happen eventually, even if it wasn't Pirate Bay that did it.

I could go on complaining that the system and its minutiae are unfair (eg. I don't see why cable channels should monopolise all the programmes I want to watch, stuff gets deleted that no-one's ever going to make money off ANYWAY, the people who really suffer are the small producers who can't afford to sue), but at the end of the day downloading is inevitably going to go on, and grow, unless the internet as we know it is shut down. Legal downloading COULD make up a large part of downloading, given the great wealth and resources of corporations like say, Sony (compared to, say, two blokes in Sweden with an axe to grind) if anyone was willing to make a stand and charge something like a reasonable price for what you're getting.

Several. several Utube alternatives?
that s not true.
Prove it !! :-)

There's already a porno youtube clone.Really?
No way..
Prove it !! :-)

Alas, the average person that submits their home made porn is not always as hot as a professional porn star.

But the sex remains contrived and boring.

But the sex remains contrived and boring.no one forces you to watch it.

just like all those YouTube/My space teens/adults.. dying to show you their "goods".. no one forces you to click the link.

no one forces you to watch it.

just like all those YouTube/My space teens/adults.. dying to show you their "goods".. no one forces you to click the link.

I take it by your defensive nature towards the mundane reptative sex found in all porn you have gotten bad reveiws on your own submission.

I take it by your defensive nature towards the mundane reptative sex found in all porn you have gotten bad reveiws on your own submission.I also defend the freedom of Gay people to have anal sex.

Skibereen, dont you defend that freedom too?

Alas, the average person that submits their home made porn is not always as hot as a professional porn star.
I meant the websites themselves...

Breach of copyright is a morally good thing? Really?

I dont know about breach of copyright, but I´m against censorship.

I also defend the freedom of Gay people to have anal sex.

Skibereen, dont you defend that freedom too?

You didnt answer my question about your porn submission.
I cant say if I have seen it, but I can assume it is as boring and contrived as the rest.

As for anal sex, I defend everyones right to anal sex...I dont see your point.
I encourage anal sex. Again, not seeing your point.

I defend everyones right to anal sex...and do you take it up the ass?
the fact that I defend their sexual freedoms.. does not mean I take it up the ass.