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Does Firefox randomly decide to close like Microsoft Internet Explorer does? I mean when it says "Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" then gives you NO OPTION except to close whatever you were looking at/working on.

Install and see for yourself. Don't act indigent.

Install and see for yourself. Don't act indigent.

I can't. I only have access to public computers. I want to make sure I get the right thing when I can finally afford my own computer.

I can't. I only have access to public computers. I want to make sure I get the right thing when I can finally afford my own computer.

...so install both when you finally get a computer...

:confused:

I can't. I only have access to public computers. I want to make sure I get the right thing when I can finally afford my own computer.

You shall have to postpone seeing for yourself until then.

No. Firefox respects your wishes.

Use Opera. Screw everything else.*




*unless you use linux. Ice Weasel is pretty neat.

I can't. I only have access to public computers. I want to make sure I get the right thing when I can finally afford my own computer.You know it is possible to have both on your system at the same time... you can even run both programs at the same time. How's that for sophistication.

Bleh, when I can be bothered I'm going to look for another browser. Firefox has been really clunky as of late. Bad is defined as being slow to move between tabs when all you have open are 10 tabs and the most resource consuming tab is the one you're looking at right now.

Is beelzebub as bad as the devil?

You know it is possible to have both on your system at the same time... you can even run both programs at the same time. How's that for sophistication.

Bleh, when I can be bothered I'm going to look for another browser. Firefox has been really clunky as of late. Bad is defined as being slow to move between tabs when all you have open are 10 tabs and the most resource consuming tab is the one you're looking at right now.

are you on version 2.0.0.3?

Use Opera. Screw everything else.roflol

Does Firefox randomly decide to close like Microsoft Internet Explorer does? I mean when it says "Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" then gives you NO OPTION except to close whatever you were looking at/working on.

I've not had a problem with FIREFOX and prefer it to IE. However, don't delete IE as FIREFOX is not compatable with a few sites.

Is beelzebub as bad as the devil?
worse, since it takes longer to pronounce the name. i can't be bothered with all these extra syllables.

roflol

Yes, because slow, bloated, and easily exploited by spyware is preferable.


And heaven forbid you use all of the integrated features. Yes, much better to install your own chat and email clients.

What was I thinking?

Does Firefox randomly decide to close like Microsoft Internet Explorer does? I mean when it says "Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" then gives you NO OPTION except to close whatever you were looking at/working on.
It gives you no option except to close because there is no way that the browser could stay open. It tried to do something it couldn't like access a non-existent memory address or add something to null.

An Impossible thing happened to me once.

I somehow managed to surf with multiple tabs and download things and do some other tweaks with the installing of add ons at the same time. And suddenly....

....

Thats it. My Firefox managed to freeze. I had to end it with the Ctrl+Alt+Del.

BUT! When I restarted my Firefox browser, it had a nice little note saying that it unexpectedly encountered a problem and closed abruptly. And the Better part, It had the option of RESTORING the previous session. And presto! I got immediately back where I left off.

I hope I answered your question. Other than that, Firefox can be modified/made better with the countless add on Extensions.

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I've not had a problem with FIREFOX and prefer it to IE. However, don't delete IE as FIREFOX is not compatable with a few sites.

IE cannot be deleted from Windows - not since Win 98 - without major hacking and even after that it leaves Windows crippled.

Use Opera. Screw everything else.*




*unless you use linux. Ice Weasel is pretty neat.

Konqueror is even neater, except when viewing NSG; it uses sloppy IE code.

Konqueror is even neater

Only if one turns a blind eye to the monstrosity that is KDE, which it cannot be run without...

Yes, because slow, bloated, and easily exploited by spyware is preferable.


And heaven forbid you use all of the integrated features. Yes, much better to install your own chat and email clients.

What was I thinking?

I don't know what you're thinking. Firefox contains neither of these. Mozilla does.

Only if one turns a blind eye to the monstrosity that is KDE, which it cannot be run without...
Yes, yes but I use Amarok, so it is 90% there anyways.

Wait, I thought you used KDE.:confused:

And heaven forbid you use all of the integrated features. Yes, much better to install your own chat and email clients.

What was I thinking?
Yes it is. Opera sucks at chat, sucks as an email client, sucks at bittorrent. It tries to do tee much and dilutes its programmers talent.

Konqueror is even neater, except when viewing NSG; it uses sloppy IE code.
I haven't really used it to browse the internet. I usually use Ice Wesal when I'm running Knoppix. I wish Opera wasn't a gigantic pain in the ass to install on a linux OS. I don't even know how I'd do it on Knoppix. It took me two weeks to get it on Ubuntu.

Want to know something funny? There was a Knoppix flavor site that could only be viewed with IE. Goblinux. That made no sense.


Only if one turns a blind eye to the monstrosity that is KDE, which it cannot be run without...
Konqueror is to KDE what Exlporer is to Windows. Not my ideal OS, but it works for some.

I don't know what you're thinking. Firefox contains neither of these. Mozilla does.

Erm, I was speaking of Opera?

Yes it is. Opera sucks at chat, sucks as an email client, sucks at bittorrent. It tries to do tee much and dilutes its programmers talent.

Opera's chat isn't bad. I like the email client quite a bit. It took me awhile to figure out all the nifty extras. The only thing I can't make it do is permanently deat emails. I have to wait for the server to do the 90 day purge. Actually, that has some benefits. More than once I've had to go looking for an email I deleted, thinking I wouldn't have to use it.

Yes, yes but I use Amarok, so it is 90% there anyways.

Wait, I thought you used KDE.:confused:

Ugh, no. I'm in between *nixes at the moment, but I am a Gnome person nowadays. KDE is so 2001.

I haven't really used it to browse the internet. I usually use Ice Wesal when I'm running Knoppix. I wish Opera wasn't a gigantic pain in the ass to install on a linux OS. I don't even know how I'd do it on Knoppix. It took me two weeks to get it on Ubuntu.

Want to know something funny? There was a Knoppix flavor site that could only be viewed with IE. Goblinux. That made no sense.
You know what's funnier? My FF identifies itself as Netscape, so I have to view gmail in plain html mode.

Ugh, no. I'm in between *nixes at the moment, but I am a Gnome person nowadays. KDE is so 2001.

Gnome is made of win. I wish someone would create a version of Knoppix (or something similar) based on Gnome.

I've not had a problem with FIREFOX and prefer it to IE. However, don't delete IE as FIREFOX is not compatable with a few sites.
Which is where the IE tab extension comes in.

Erm, I was speaking of Opera?

So you consider the fact that Opera is bloated to be a good thing? Wow.

I can't. I only have access to public computers. I want to make sure I get the right thing when I can finally afford my own computer.Try portable firefox, you can e.g. start it from a USB stick.

So you consider the fact that Opera is bloated to be a good thing? Wow.

No. I think you misread my post. Opera is not bloated. Opera has integrated email and chat clients. Opera isn't nearly as vulnerable to spyware.

It was a sarcastic reply to an idiotic comment.

I haven't really used it to browse the internet. I usually use Ice Wesal when I'm running Knoppix. I wish Opera wasn't a gigantic pain in the ass to install on a linux OS. I don't even know how I'd do it on Knoppix. It took me two weeks to get it on Ubuntu.

Huh? "sudo dpkg -i opera_XXXX.deb" or "sudo aptitude install opera_XXX" is a "pain in the ass"?

Huh? "sudo dpkg -i opera_XXXX.deb" or "sudo aptitude install opera_XXX" is a "pain in the ass"?

It wasn't working for me. I'm figuring it all out as I go. Anything that doesn't fit into the norm with Linux can still cause confusion for me at this point.

I should get points for trying though!

Edit: Better to suck at linux than be a master of windows.

Firefox has "encountered an error" a few times, but appears to have stopped. I could still work the browser if I didn't click ok.

did it to me today.

It wasn't working for me. I'm figuring it all out as I go. Anything that doesn't fit into the norm with Linux can still cause confusion for me at this point.

I should get points for trying though!

Edit: Better to suck at linux than be a master of windows.

Are you using AMD64? Because then you'd have to setup an i386 libqt3-mt which would require a "dpkg -i --force-architecture libqt3-mt*" and due to lack of multi-arch support, that'd stop your 64bit KDE apps from working.

are you on version 2.0.0.3?Indeed I am. If I could really be bothered I would have searched the internet for 1.5 installer or some such.

Try portable firefox, you can e.g. start it from a USB stick.That confused me for a couple of seconds. Just because e.g. stands for some latin crap that means for example does not mean you can use the two interchangeable. :p

... anyway, I think 'i.e.' would be more appropriate for the situation.

I like internet explorer. I've never had a reason to try anything else.

That confused me for a couple of seconds. Just because e.g. stands for some latin crap that means for example does not mean you can use the two interchangeable. :p

... anyway, I think 'i.e.' would be more appropriate for the situation.

Is either necessary?

Is either necessary?How do you mean?

I, personally, would have phrased what you said as

'Try portable firefox, you can, for example, start it from a USB stick.'

or maybe just
'You should try portable firefox as you can start it from a USB stick.'

i have my many grievances with firefox, but it is better than anything microsoft can offer.

That confused me for a couple of seconds. Just because e.g. stands for some latin crap that means for example does not mean you can use the two interchangeable. :p

... anyway, I think 'i.e.' would be more appropriate for the situation.

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Use Opera.

damn right. firefox is just popular... its good, and the extentions often rock, but as a browser i vastly prefer Opera. i use FF for stumbleupon a lot, but Opera for everything else, and IE for testing website designs

That confused me for a couple of seconds. Just because e.g. stands for some latin crap that means for example does not mean you can use the two interchangeable. :pWhat it doesn't?! Ah damn.. I should check my thesis :p

... anyway, I think 'i.e.' would be more appropriate for the situation.It would need to be in another position then, though; before the "you can".

Is either necessary?Well, you could use other media to run it from; it's not just for USB sticks.
Actually, I have quite a few portable apps on my harddrive.

What it doesn't?! Ah damn.. I should check my thesis :pReally? I've never seen it used like that before. I've only ever seen it used at the end of a sentence to denote that an example(s) of what has been stated in the sentence is following eg. like this.

Really?Just to be clear, I did actually mean it the sense that it could be one of many grammar/punctuation mistakes in my thesis. (Although I'm not sure I used it in this way I might have.)

I've never seen it used like that before. I've only ever seen it used at the end of a sentence to denote that an example(s) of what has been stated in the sentence is following eg. like this.Googling "you can e.g." vs "you can for example" gives about a 10-90 split; so it occurs a fair bit. Admittedly, phrasing it either way wouldn't win a price for elegance; nor does 10% make it right, necessarily.

(...) don't delete IE as FIREFOX is not compatable with a few sites.

Firefox is "compatible" with any web page that is properly designed and coded (i.e. respects W3C standards).
And on Firefox 2.0, if it crashes you get a chance to restore your sessions (your open tabs).

Firefox is "compatible" with any web page that is properly designed and coded (i.e. respects W3C standards).The point is, not all sites are.
And proper design and coding unfortunately requires a bit more than just being w3c compliant (although it would certainly be a good start).

Firefox is "compatible" with any web page that is properly designed and coded (i.e. respects W3C standards).
And on Firefox 2.0, if it crashes you get a chance to restore your sessions (your open tabs).
FF1&2 don't acid2 very well... 3 does, but it has other problems.

Just to be clear, I did actually mean it the sense that it could be one of many grammar/punctuation mistakes in my thesis. (Although I'm not sure I used it in this way I might have.)Oh... I thought you meant you were an English student, and I was trying to back down without losing face. *ahem*

Googling "you can e.g." vs "you can for example" gives about a 10-90 split; so it occurs a fair bit. Admittedly, phrasing it either way wouldn't win a price for elegance; nor does 10% make it right, necessarily.I got complimented on my grammar the other day - by an admissions tutor no less. :eek:

I had to sketch a flow diagram for some spoilt brat who gets bored of his computer games and begs his parents for money to buy more.

Apparently 'bored of game' is correct, whereas most of the people who take that test write 'bored by game', which is wrong. So that was +1 for my ego, even I couldn't explain why the former was right, just that it was what I wrote.

Wikipedia has an article comparing the features of many different browsers, including IE and Firefox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers

The security/vulnerabilities comparison (using data from SecurityFocus and Secunia) is especially interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#Vulnerabilities

From http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=21774

FF 2.0.4 is looking coming out pretty soon

Does Firefox randomly decide to close like Microsoft Internet Explorer does? I mean when it says "Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" then gives you NO OPTION except to close whatever you were looking at/working on.

No Firefox is...you know...good.

It's good to have all possible browsers so you can test to make sure that the websites you're making will be able to be seen by all users.

You know, if that's what you do.

Use Opera. Screw everything else.*

*unless you use linux. Ice Weasel is pretty neat.

I use that. I thought it was just Debian's version of Firefox?

EDIT: Someone send something to my MSN. I have no idea if it's working yet.

Use Opera. Screw everything else.*




*unless you use linux. Ice Weasel is pretty neat.

Someone with sense! :)

Someone with sense! :)

But no dollars! :D

I use that. I thought it was just Debian's version of Firefox?

EDIT: Someone send something to my MSN. I have no idea if it's working yet.

There are forty-two Iceweasels.

Actually, Debian's Iceweasel is simply Firefox renamed due to licensing and such. The GNU has had it's own version for a while that adds a bunch of security stuff to Firefox, a few bug fixes, and cleans up the code somewhat.

It's good to have all possible browsers so you can test to make sure that the websites you're making will be able to be seen by all users.

You know, if that's what you do.

Yup, only reason why half my computers are still using IE 6.

There are forty-two Iceweasels.

Douglas Adams has a lot to answer for. :D

Thanks for clearing that up though. There is a plague of Iceweasels.

Actually, Debian's Iceweasel is simply Firefox renamed due to licensing and such. The GNU has had it's own version for a while that adds a bunch of security stuff to Firefox, a few bug fixes, and cleans up the code somewhat.

I'll check it out. Security stuff always makes things harder to use, and I like that so much! Life wasn't meant to be easy.

Use Opera. Screw everything else
QFT.

Oh... I thought you meant you were an English student, and I was trying to back down without losing face. *ahem*Yeah, after reading your reply I considered I might have put in a way to could be misinterpreted. And I wouldn't a misunderstanding to screw up your sense of grammar in a case where I may very well be wrong.

I had to sketch a flow diagram for some spoilt brat who gets bored of his computer games and begs his parents for money to buy more.

Apparently 'bored of game' is correct, whereas most of the people who take that test write 'bored by game', which is wrong. So that was +1 for my ego, even I couldn't explain why the former was right, just that it was what I wrote.Hmm, I'd say they were both correct, but mean slightly different things. Although I can't quite put my finger on the difference.
If you consider being "bored by a person" or "bored of a person". I would say that in the first case the problem lies with the person boring you, and in the second case it lies more with yourself. At least that's what my intuition tells me.
Both usages ("bored of"/"bored by") occur fairly evenly on the web (1.3M vs 0.8M hits).

I still use IE 6. It isn't the best but it still holds up.

However, when I get my new comp (1-2 years away) I'll probably just use firefox (or a better browser that comes out then).

I still use IE 6. It isn't the best but it still holds up.

However, when I get my new comp (1-2 years away) I'll probably just use firefox (or a better browser that comes out then).

You can install FF and IE6 in the same PC with no issues. FF isn't terribly demanding on systems.

You can install FF and IE6 in the same PC with no issues. FF isn't terribly demanding on systems.

The reason why I'm not now is just me being lazy.

I wouldn't expect firefox to be any more demanding than IE in default condition.

The reason why I'm not now is just me being lazy.

I wouldn't expect firefox to be any more demanding than IE in default condition.Firefox is slower (heavier on the system) on Windows platform, especially with the necessary plugins to make it different from IE experience.

Opera on the otherhand...

Firefox is slower (heavier on the system) on Windows platform, especially with the necessary plugins to make it different from IE experience.

Opera on the otherhand...

Tell me more.

Also; Why is firefox more system intensive?

Firefox is slower (heavier on the system) on Windows platform, especially with the necessary plugins to make it different from IE experience.

Opera on the otherhand...

It's hard to tell if your desktop and laptop have dual core processors and 1Gb of RAM. :p

Yup, only reason why half my computers are still using IE 6.
I don't think the code compatibility got a significant upgrade in IE7 or Firefox..

It's hard to tell if your desktop and laptop have dual core processors and 1Gb of RAM. :p
Exactly. Opera is "way faster" on computers that are 7 years old.

It's hard to tell if your desktop and laptop have dual core processors and 1Gb of RAM. :p

What about a person who has only a single core cpu and only 1/2 a gig of ram?

What about a person who has only a single core cpu and only 1/2 a gig of ram?

Works fine too! I have an old laptop like that. OK, compared to the others it's slow.
I wouldn't load IE7 in my old laptop though.

The old laptop is a Mobile 1.7Ghz P4 with 512Mb of RAM and horribly slow 4200 RPM HDD.

If you want a fast browser, use dillo :)

I have three browsers on my computer, each of which I use for different purposes. Mozilla (1.6 or something, I think) I use for personal email and web comics. Firefox I use for internet games and their forums (like right now) and IE I use only when I absolutely have to get some stupid site visible that won't work on FF or Mozilla.

As for IE, it's 5.x series or 6.x - not sure which - and I've stripped it of Outlook and other "virus targets", plus it's not allowed to save any cookies or open pop-up windows or anything of the sort.

So, shortly put, if you act paranoid about your computer and online safety but aren't handy enough with Windows environment (assuming Windows here) to beat it into submission, don't use IE.

And if you use anything requiring log-in on a public computer, make sure to delete the session history when you've logged out. And ask the administrator to make sure cookies aren't saved with passwords.

Use Opera. Screw everything else.*




*unless you use linux. Ice Weasel is pretty neat.

You are right Ice Weasel is neat but it differs minimaly from Firefox

Thats good in my opinion but if you prefer Opera to Firefox what about ice weasel changes your mind in a *nix platform?

Tell me more.

Also; Why is firefox more system intensive?

Some of the memory caching features are ram heavy to start with, Firefox keeps a history for each tab which allows a faster browsing experience if you go back a lot in the tabs but can be hard on the ram after keeping a few tabs open

Specially when you dont ever close that one browser window (like I do) where I just open and close tabs

not a big deal to me I still prefer firefox but it can make a difference on some machines

There are forty-two Iceweasels.

Actually, Debian's Iceweasel is simply Firefox renamed due to licensing and such. The GNU has had it's own version for a while that adds a bunch of security stuff to Firefox, a few bug fixes, and cleans up the code somewhat.

True, I guess my only experience with Iceweasel is on Debian I was not aware that there were significantly differing versions

I am just a Debian fan lol

Some of the memory caching features are ram heavy to start with, Firefox keeps a history for each tab which allows a faster browsing experience if you go back a lot in the tabs but can be hard on the ram after keeping a few tabs open

Specially when you dont ever close that one browser window (like I do) where I just open and close tabs

not a big deal to me I still prefer firefox but it can make a difference on some machines

Still, that's better than two copies of Firefox running. IE7 session caching is a little nicer on the system using a shared cache, but I really like the way FF recovers from a crash with a session back.

Still, that's better than two copies of Firefox running. IE7 session caching is a little nicer on the system using a shared cache, but I really like the way FF recovers from a crash with a session back.

I agree

Still, that's better than two copies of Firefox running. IE7 session caching is a little nicer on the system using a shared cache, but I really like the way FF recovers from a crash with a session back.

That was the best change they made. And why would you run two copies of Firefox?

That was the best change they made. And why would you run two copies of Firefox?

I think he meant ram usage is better with multi tabs then multi windows in Firefox's case even with the per tab memory allocation that it does for history.

I don't think the code compatibility got a significant upgrade in IE7 or Firefox..

It did. CSS specially got a big overhaul in IE7 so you have to check your site on both IE6 and IE7 since what works in one will often not work in the other.

And, of course, in Firefox and Opera as well, but that goes without saying. And a screen reader for the blind, that should go without saying, but it doesn't.

It did. CSS specially got a big overhaul in IE7 so you have to check your site on both IE6 and IE7 since what works in one will often not work in the other.

And, of course, in Firefox and Opera as well, but that goes without saying.
The problem with Opera is that it's so compatible that it breaks stuff because people make stuff to work on common browsers. Being correct only works if it doesn't go all the way around the scale so that it becomes incorrect.

Not to me, it doesn't work that well. I have both, but I find i.e explorer to be more reliable. With a few tweeks it's pretty much as safe as firefox anyway.

You are right Ice Weasel is neat but it differs minimaly from Firefox

Thats good in my opinion but if you prefer Opera to Firefox what about ice weasel changes your mind in a *nix platform?

It's a browser I didn't have to spend two weeks figuring out how to get it to install.

It's a browser I didn't have to spend two weeks figuring out how to get it to install.

Opera is not hard under any of the distros I use regularly ... I choose FF/IW because I enjoy those browsers but I know the two are mostly identical with some of the Copyright stuff pulled out

Opera is not hard under any of the distros I use regularly ... I choose FF/IW because I enjoy those browsers but I know the two are mostly identical with some of the Copyright stuff pulled out
It was a lot of operator error while installing it. I dunno. It really didn't want to install on a 64-bit system.

You need a package from the ubuntu website too. I never even thought to look.

Edit#2: I did learn the true value of the ubuntu forums though.

It was a lot of operator error while installing it. I dunno. It really didn't want to install on a 64-bit system.

You need a package from the ubuntu website too. I never even thought to look.

Edit#2: I did learn the true value of the ubuntu forums though.
Well there's your problem. 32-bit software can be a bitch on 64-bit debian systems.

Well there's your problem. 32-bit software can be a bitch on 64-bit debian systems.

Yes. Yes it can. But good old tenacity prevailed.

Works fine too! I have an old laptop like that. OK, compared to the others it's slow.
I wouldn't load IE7 in my old laptop though.

The old laptop is a Mobile 1.7Ghz P4 with 512Mb of RAM and horribly slow 4200 RPM HDD.

That's about the same as the desktop I'm typing this on! :(
I want a better computer!

It was a lot of operator error while installing it. I dunno. It really didn't want to install on a 64-bit system.

You need a package from the ubuntu website too. I never even thought to look.

Edit#2: I did learn the true value of the ubuntu forums though.

Debian both cases (just did it) apt-get install opera after adding the source for the release

Debian both cases (just did it) apt-get install opera after adding the source for the release
Hmm, it looks like Debian is becoming more multi-arch. On Ubuntu, the 32bit libqt-mt conflicts with the 64-bit libqt-mt

Hmm, it looks like Debian is becoming more multi-arch. On Ubuntu, the 32bit libqt-mt conflicts with the 64-bit libqt-mt

No problems here ... I can see it being a problem for sure I just have not encountered an issue with the apt-get packages just binaries

No problems here ... I can see it being a problem for sure I just have not encountered an issue with the apt-get packages just binaries
It was a problem for me as it made me have to choose between Opera and all the KDE stuff I use.

It was a problem for me as it made me have to choose between Opera and all the KDE stuff I use.

Interesting ... I don't use kde or opera normally lol

(xfce and FF/IW)

Interesting ... I don't use kde or opera normally lol

(xfce and FF/IW)
Well, I was going to try Opera again, because of this thread.

I still use gnome, but use Amarok, Konqueror, K3B, KTorrent, and Katapult allot. All but the last I'd have to give up to use Opera.

Well, I was going to try Opera again, because of this thread.

I still use gnome, but use Amarok, Konqueror, K3B, KTorrent, and Katapult allot. All but the last I'd have to give up to use Opera.

That sucks I would not do it I used to use it before FF for tabbed browsing and mouse gestures

But soon as FF came out and added those extensions there was no need for a browser I did not really care for.