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Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

Stoip buying your polluting vehicles and grow wings like the rest of us. *flies off*

Maybe it's time to downsize. :)

If only it weren't a Volkswagen. ;)

If only it weren't a Volkswagen. ;)
There's nothing wrong with a Volkswagen.

I just can't see fitting 2 car seats, a stroller, diaper bag, and a load of groceries in that little thing. I'll keep my Envoy, thanks.

There's nothing wrong with a Volkswagen.

a Volkswagen better then a Volvo

You know, not all Americans even LIKE big cars. My fiance has commented on my pathological hatred of bigass cars you can't &#%#&*^$* see around, and which park halfway out into the traffic lane.

You know, not all Americans even LIKE big cars. My fiance has commented on my pathological hatred of bigass cars you can't &#%#&*^$* see around, and which park halfway out into the traffic lane.

I like small cars. big cars are just big, they're not that good.

quit telling us what to buy. it's none of your business.

quit telling us what to buy. it's none of your business.

Once you do the same ;)

Honestly, advertisement is everywhere.

At 6'4" I have always found most VW models don't have the leg space and the pedals are too close for my feet; but I've always liked the way a beetle looks. I dont own a vehicle myself (unless you count a bike) so I'm not 'part of the problem'.

instead of telling people what to buy, why not tell the manufacturers to not market their offroaders to suburbanites. people buy what is marketed to them. the golf won't replace the SUVs because it is marketed at young singles and couples.

Once you do the same ;)

Honestly, advertisement is everywhere.

I don't advertise cars.....I don't go out telling people to quit buying them either. Buy what you want, live with your choice, quit trying to control other people's lives.

I just can't see fitting 2 car seats, a stroller, diaper bag, and a load of groceries in that little thing. I'll keep my Envoy, thanks.

shh.....they don't understand that. They can't understand the need for something that will hold 3 kids, their friends, groceries, soccer gear, and etc. In their country everyone walks everywhere and cars only need to hold one or two people at a time.

quit telling us what to buy. it's none of your business.
In any case, I bet South-East UK is going to overtake the USA for big cars sometime soon anyway. I can't step outside my house without seeing some gas guzzling monstrosity.

But then, what do you expect from Basildonian yuppies...

Once you do the same ;)

Honestly, advertisement is everywhere.

B-b-but... that's different! [/Sarcastic-esque somethingorother]



I personally don't like small cars. They remind me of tuna cans... no room.

If they made a medium-sized Honda-esque car then we'd have a deal. But until then, I'll stick with the goliaths, thank you.

Even that thing will hold 3 kids and has a spacious boot. My Fiat Uno 999cc vehicle could hold 5 adults comfortably. And in the boot we got 2 suitcases, a 4man tent, windbreaker, camping stove, collapseable kitchen unit, waterproofs and everyone's boots.

All for around 60 miles to the gallon (my girlfreinds Dad also once got it upto 90mph)

shh, space economising is an alien concept to these people, they don't get it.

although to be fair smunkee probably does need all that space considering all the stuff she gets up to. the majority of SUV owners don't i should imagine.

Even that thing will hold 3 kids and has a spacious boot. My Fiat Uno 999cc vehicle could hold 5 adults comfortably. And in the boot we got 2 suitcases, a 4man tent, windbreaker, camping stove, collapseable kitchen unit, waterproofs and everyone's boots.

All for around 60 miles to the gallon (my girlfreinds Dad also once got it upto 90mph)

can it hold 4 kids in carseats? remember they can't sit in the front and they have to have shoulder straps. Also, is the trunk or hatch or whatever big enough for $800 worth of groceries?

Hey now, I'm a Swede, living in Sweden, and I positively love my Yukon Denali -05. :fluffle:

Though, I only use it in the wintertime, as I have a convertible for the summer.
And then a bunch of other motor vehicles, such as snowmobile, boat, quad, MC, and other pollutants.

Eat that, eco-terrorists.

Jeremy Clarkson is 6'5". He fits in it fine.

Well, I don't. It's lack of leg space, my knees want to dig into my chin... and as I said the petals were too close together... I'd hit the brake and the gas or the clutch at the same time with one foot.

Instad of an SUV then get an MPV. The Citreon Picasso has 7 seats and a large boot.

Also $800 of groceries. I know you are a big girl and that but how do you eat that much?

Psst. It's the kids. They eat mountains of food.

Instad of an SUV then get an MPV. The Citreon Picasso has 7 seats and a large boot.
you going to ship me one?

Also $800 of groceries. I know you are a big girl and that but how do you eat that much?
family of four plus two dinners a week with people who can't afford to eat right now.

buy a fuking hybrid!!!:upyours:

Maybe get a car with pedals instead of flowers in the driver's footwell. There is video evidence of someone larger than you driving the thing. As you don't have a car then you have no say really.

Its the internet, I'm free to put in my own half cent now and again. I might not own a car but I do drive sometimes. Perhaps there is just something strange about my physiology.

although to be fair smunkee probably does need all that space considering all the stuff she gets up to. the majority of SUV owners don't i should imagine.

You're actually absolutely right. Most SUV owners just buy the because SUVs are cool. Half the time they only drive them to work and back, and they drive their kids to school and to practices, all of which can be done with a smaller car.

You're actually absolutely right. Most SUV owners just buy the because SUVs are cool. Half the time they only drive them to work and back, and they drive their kids to school and to practices, all of which can be done with a smaller car.
It is important to remember 'most' though - there are people with large families that need large cars, and tradesmen who need them for their job, why I don't like the idea of 'taxing 4x4s off the road' as some people think should be done. Unfortunately, though, in most cases thay are completely unnecessary. We've survived without them for years in the UK (except for tradesmen needing vans and trucks) and suddenly they are exploding - especially in urban and suburban areas where they aren't needed and frankly don't fit in our old, small, town and city streets.

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

I would need 2 of those, so I could strap 1 to each foot. No thanks, I'll just stick with my 2003 Chevy Silverado 4x4. :D

I don't advertise cars.....I don't go out telling people to quit buying them either. Buy what you want, live with your choice, quit trying to control other people's lives.

You were being general, I was being general.

shh.....they don't understand that. They can't understand the need for something that will hold 3 kids, their friends, groceries, soccer gear, and etc. In their country everyone walks everywhere and cars only need to hold one or two people at a time.

You know, we have cars like that that arn't 4x4's. They are called people carriers and they are far safer and far less poluting.

you going to ship me one?


No, you're going to

Seriously though, SUV's (as you Americans call them) are dangerous to pedestrians and other road users, use up masses of fuel and in many cases the newer ones can't even go off road. You really need to think about those around you.

In any case, I bet South-East UK is going to overtake the USA for big cars sometime soon anyway. I can't step outside my house without seeing some gas guzzling monstrosity.

But then, what do you expect from Basildonian yuppies...I dont know about da South East.

but.. when I was in London.. we rented a Focus, it was the biggest Car available.. and It was pretty much the biggest on the streets too.

I choose not comment/criticize the appetite for big engines on this side of the pond

But I do give the thumbs up to most EU & Japan car makers/buyers

Dude no offense but it looks like a egg


Look mom it's the Eggmobile

Buy one of these instead

What a great piece of propaganda. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of this.

But if people stopped buying SUVs, how would we be able to tell who is a yuppie, soccer mom, suburbanite type? :(

What a great piece of propaganda. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of this.

So because something doesnt agree with you, its automatically propoganda. Or would you like to flesh out your accusation.

For the record, i drive a very fuel efficient Toyota, and i drive it about twice a month, otherwise i use public transortation.

So because something doesnt agree with you, its automatically propoganda. Or would you like to flesh out your accusation.

Seriously, I thought it was an excellent bit of propaganda. Al Gore and the rest of the Global Warming folks would be very proud of it. I'm sure VW paid a lot of money to have that made.

Seriously, I thought it was an excellent bit of propaganda. Al Gore and the rest of the Global Warming folks would be very proud of it. I'm sure VW paid a lot of money to have that made.

Top Gear made that. Its a British motering journalism show. You're not impressing me by repeating yourself. Explain why you think it was propoganda and justify yourself so that you can at least have a discussion, rather than just stating your opinion.

Could we make large vehicles like SUV's to serve a practical purpose of the busy American, but only make them more environmentally safe, or perhaps find a more effecient fuel?

can it hold 4 kids in carseats? remember they can't sit in the front and they have to have shoulder straps. Also, is the trunk or hatch or whatever big enough for $800 worth of groceries?

Top Gear made that. Its a British motering journalism show. You're not impressing me by repeating yourself. Explain why you think it was propoganda and justify yourself so that you can at least have a discussion, rather than just stating your opinion.

ok, observe the source here - I'm a vegan tree-hugging hippie, and I closed that video because it seemed like a marketing ploy. (I drive a 35mpg honda when I have to get to work, and only because my city has absolutely no public transportation whatsoever...as soon as I'm out of college I'm moving to one with subways and buses) - the part where he started rambling "these could fix the whole in the ozone layer, the brazilian rainforests, our tender young children!" just seemed a bit much. I HATE SUVs...they piss me off...(hummers in particular make me want to slash their tires, unless you're attempting to off road in the everglades or in the f*cking military, you do NOT need one), but I still thought the video seemed a bit preachy. I'd imagine there was some exchange of funds between volkswagon and whatever show you said did that...the very fact that it's a show oriented towards the automobile industry means it has significant stock in boosting car sales however it can.

personally I think the answer isn't just to get rid of big cars but to reduce urban sprawl (its ridiculous, my city won't build a new building unless it's directly west of the last building built...) americans need to change their lifestyle, not whine about it needing to be accommodated. my family has lived in the US for 11 generations, fought in every war from the revolution to WWII...none of which I approve of I might add...and has been here longer than the damn US government has, so anybody who tells me I'm unamerican for saying the american lifestyle is morally wrong can come down off their star spangled pedestal and kiss my more than tri-centennially american ass. this country needs SERIOUS change.

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

I need a 4x4 to help me find mud. :)

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

Funny thing about those massive "SUVS"(I use the term loosely-modern "SUVS" are terrible pieces of shite that are shit-poor for the actual purposes of actual SUVS), they are really quite dangerous. For the driver as well. Yet people think that Bigger=safer. Somehow. Haven't figured it out.

Ho-well.

But that thing looks sweet.

*buys an SUV just to spite this thread*

Could we make large vehicles like SUV's to serve a practical purpose of the busy American, but only make them more environmentally safe, or perhaps find a more effecient fuel?

I dont think so.

Most cars nowadays are pretty gas economic, since they use a lot of lighter materials like rubber, plastic and aluminium. But SUV´s are usually made tougher and much bigger, which means it needs a bigger engine and a bigger gas tank. And since they use plenty of iron and steel, they are much more heavy too.

can it hold 4 kids in carseats? remember they can't sit in the front and they have to have shoulder straps. Also, is the trunk or hatch or whatever big enough for $800 worth of groceries?

Wouldn't your groceries be unusually expensive? I mean, with the whole gluten-free thing, and whatever else it is y'all have..

Wouldn't your groceries be unusually expensive? I mean, with the whole gluten-free thing, and whatever else it is y'all have..


family of four plus two dinners a week with people who can't afford to eat right now.

that's why...

Wouldn't your groceries be unusually expensive? I mean, with the whole gluten-free thing, and whatever else it is y'all have..

yeah, it's about twice what normal people pay on the whole, certain items are marked up as much as 8x what I would pay for the "regular" version.

one of the things though is I have to haul a 25lb bag of rice flour every month....that takes up a lot of room.

one of the things though is I have to haul a 25lb bag of rice flour every month....that takes up a lot of room.

It does?

Not patronizing you or anything here, but I can't imagine it be that terribly large.

I handle 100 bags of produce at work daily, and although a bit cumbersome, they are terribly large.

Bags of flour are the same.

What are the dimensions on a bag of flour like that?(Curiousity will kill me one day)

but I still thought the video seemed a bit preachy. I'd imagine there was some exchange of funds between volkswagon and whatever show you said did that...the very fact that it's a show oriented towards the automobile industry means it has significant stock in boosting car sales however it can.

Erm...have you ever watched Top Gear

Its a motoring jornelism program. What this basicly means is they review cars. They tell us what they think of them, and why they think that etc. They arn't affraid to tell you when a car is rubbish. And if you're seriously accusing VW of bribing Top Gear I think you need to know more about Top gear. And as for "oriented towards the automotive industry" does that mean then that Cosmopolitian is a magazine oriented towards the cosmetics industruy and it tells you all Cosmetics are good? No! It tells you what they think of the various products etc.

Here are some samples of Top Gear to show you just what you are attempting to slander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaiMA0OsXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNEk6z9Oig8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MopDQYVW2JI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qzZoT6zDBs&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMguX_SpmwI&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLAWe22KRpw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s49KWpnSTao&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4dwGKI6VGQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KagONE1l5Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M9j4rvxL8o

Could we make large vehicles like SUV's to serve a practical purpose of the busy American, but only make them more environmentally safe, or perhaps find a more effecient fuel?

We have them in the UK, they are called "People carriers"

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/currentpromotions/-/glx_rpromo_t2/?campaignid=Retail_07&advertiserid=Google&bannerid=Galaxy

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/galaxy/-/-/-/-/-/-

http://www.renault.co.uk/Productpage_home.aspx?m=espace&mi=1094

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-video.aspx?RT=252

We have them in the UK, they are called "People carriers"

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/currentpromotions/-/glx_rpromo_t2/?campaignid=Retail_07&advertiserid=Google&bannerid=Galaxy

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/galaxy/-/-/-/-/-/-

http://www.renault.co.uk/Productpage_home.aspx?m=espace&mi=1094

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-video.aspx?RT=252

...a mini-van :(...what have we done?

Camera zooms out, soft classical music plays conveying the sense of distance and lonliness as a tear runs down the cheek of the protagonist's face, fade to black and role credits

Well I must say that many of the large vehicles I see in America are terribly misused. True that a good number of us do need "some" of the capabilities of SUVs. But overall I have seen a vast majority of ANY car the freeway with:

*1 Person
*and a seemingly empty car (meaning there wasn't enough things "stuffed" into the the car for me to notice that there was something else other than the driver)

Everybody comments about this "gallon per mile" but I would really rather find out what the "gallon per mile for Each person!"
If 5 people were riding in a Ford Expedition, with a mileage of lets say 15 miles per gallon, and our trip about 15 miles. The amount of Gas to transport these 5 people would be: 1 Gallon.
But if you have 5 people EACH driving a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a mileage of 20 miles per gallon on the SAME trip of 15 miles: Its about .75 Gallon to transport 1 person.
Multiply that by 5 and you have the total Gas consumed of: 3.75 Gallons!

So as you see, the problem isn't totally the ONE Hummer packed with a Family of 12, but more the 12 Drivers of Audis, Toyotas, Hondas, et cetera, that are driving ALONE!

As an afterthought, we somehow managed perfectly after all these thousands of years without our 3-ton 4x4s. Even many in Europe manage to keep going. Our Grandparents too. Somehow... it would seem logical that we could today.

We have them in the UK, they are called "People carriers"

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/currentpromotions/-/glx_rpromo_t2/?campaignid=Retail_07&advertiserid=Google&bannerid=Galaxy

http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/galaxy/-/-/-/-/-/-

http://www.renault.co.uk/Productpage_home.aspx?m=espace&mi=1094

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-video.aspx?RT=252

We call them minivans. :D

It does?

Not patronizing you or anything here, but I can't imagine it be that terribly large.

I handle 100 bags of produce at work daily, and although a bit cumbersome, they are terribly large.

Bags of flour are the same.

What are the dimensions on a bag of flour like that?(Curiousity will kill me one day)


it's in a cloth bag, it's about the size of a 25lb bag of dog food. I can't fit it into the car I replaced my SUV with, so I have to borrow someone else's SUV now when I go shopping.

I thought since I quit my job I might be able to live with a small car, but if I want to carpool, or grocery shop, or go on a trip, or go to the zoo, or go to the lake, or go to a conference, I have to either borrow someone else's SUV or rent one.

it's in a cloth bag, it's about the size of a 25lb bag of dog food. I can't fit it into the car I replaced my SUV with, so I have to borrow someone else's SUV now when I go shopping.

I thought since I quit my job I might be able to live with a small car, but if I want to carpool, or grocery shop, or go on a trip, or go to the zoo, or go to the lake, or go to a conference, I have to either borrow someone else's SUV or rent one.

Meh! All cars are for losers. A real woman would carry a 200 lb bag of rice flour 100 miles, uphill, in the snow, barefoot.

And she'd have the bread made by the time she got home!

We have a 4x4 because we have yet to find a non 4x4 that can haul a camper and two quads up a muddy hill. If you know of something else that can do that, I'd love to know.

Meh! All cars are for losers. A real woman would carry a 200 lb bag of rice flour 100 miles, uphill, in the snow, barefoot.

And she'd have the bread made by the time she got home!

I don't know why but that just made me laugh.

To:The rest of the world.
From:USA
Subject:RE: To Americans: Stop buying 4x4s

Dear world, we've read your complaints about our big cars, and then we threw it in the trash, if you don't believe us, then see attached picture. What the rest of the world need to realize that America is not a small country like the UK, or Germany. It's a vast big country stretching 3,000 miles from the east coast to the west coast. That doesn't include Alaska and Hawaii. Some of us need big cars because we have a big family. Some of us need big cars because our job requires it, Some of us have 4x4 cars because we live in an area where it snows half of the time and need to drive through it. So to the rest of the world, bugger off and mind your own business.

To:The rest of the world.
From:USA
Subject:RE: To Americans: Stop buying 4x4s

Dear world, we've read your complaints about our big cars, and then we threw it in the trash, if you don't believe us, then see attached picture. What the rest of the world need to realize that America is not a small country like the UK, or Germany. It's a vast big country stretching 3,000 miles from the east coast to the west coast. That doesn't include Alaska and Hawaii. Some of us need big cars because we have a big family. Some of us need big cars because our job requires it, Some of us have 4x4 cars because we live in an area where it snows half of the time and need to drive through it. So to the rest of the world, bugger off and mind your own business.
OK, out of all those arguments, the only one that is any good is the job one. If that is the case, your employer should be responsible for providing you with the vehicle.

OK, out of all those arguments, the only one that is any good is the job one. If that is the case, your employer should be responsible for providing you with the vehicle.

But what if you're the employer?

But surely the right answer here is to trade up? Instead of getting a Prius, get a GMC 6X6, or an army-surplus JNA eight-wheel URAL truck, or maybe an M3 White half-track, or a BMP-series AIFV...

You know, think bigger.

But surely the right answer here is to trade up? Instead of getting a Prius, get a GMC 6X6, or an army-surplus JNA eight-wheel URAL truck, or maybe an M3 White half-track, or a BMP-series AIFV...

You know, think bigger.

OK! :D

*runs out to buy bigger*

But what if you're the employer?
Then I better buy a bunch of trucks, or risk losing all my employees.

*runs out to buy bigger*

Whatever you've bought, it's not big enough.

Try a T 282 B mining truck (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/21.html).

OK, out of all those arguments, the only one that is any good is the job one. If that is the case, your employer should be responsible for providing you with the vehicle.

first, I shouldn't have to "make arguements" about my purchasing choices, if I have money to buy it and it's legal it's none of your business.

second, having a large family is a good argument, if you have 5 kids you can't fit them in a car.

third, I am self employed so I provide my own vehicle.

fourth, mind your own business.

But surely the right answer here is to trade up? Instead of getting a Prius, get a GMC 6X6, or an army-surplus JNA eight-wheel URAL truck, or maybe an M3 White half-track, or a BMP-series AIFV...

You know, think bigger.

OK.

*Begins to shop for a tank* :D

EDIT: and a train.

second, having a large family is a good argument, if you have 5 kids you can't fit them in a car.

third, I am self employed so I provide my own vehicle.

I think you should get a truck. Maybe a GMC 6x6. Not only is it big enough for your family and your shopping AND whatever else you want to take, it's easily located and probably not that expensive as far as vehicles go. :p

I just brought an Airbus 380! :D

Whatever you've bought, it's not big enough.

Try a T 282 B mining truck (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/21.html).

:eek: Holy shit! That's as big as a house!

first, I shouldn't have to "make arguements" about my purchasing choices, if I have money to buy it and it's legal it's none of your business.

second, having a large family is a good argument, if you have 5 kids you can't fit them in a car.

third, I am self employed so I provide my own vehicle.

fourth, mind your own business.
Fair enough.

If you have five kids, how the hell do you afford a car? Force them into slave labour?

So you are technically the employer, ergo it is your responsibility to provide your employee (you) with the vehicle she needs to do her job.

But my business is boring. Yours is much more interesting. ;)

:eek: Holy shit! That's as big as a house!

Holy Shit is right, and I'd never have to worry about traffic again! :D

I think you should get a truck. Maybe a GMC 6x6. Not only is it big enough for your family and your shopping AND whatever else you want to take, it's easily located and probably not that expensive as far as vehicles go. :p

I could totally live in that thing......pop a tent on the back and travel the country pissing off environmentalists!

*Begins to shop for a tank* :D

A tank, eh? I like your style. Personally I recommend the Merkava for its cargo space and handling, although for armour protection the Challenger 2 can't be beaten (although M1A2 SEP advocates would argue the point).

I just brought an Airbus 380!

Now that's just extracting the urine. :mad:

Holy shit! That's as big as a house!

Handles like one too, apparently. :p

I could totally live in that thing......pop a tent on the back and travel the country pissing off environmentalists!

Thank you for the idea Smunkee. Here's your royalty fee of $1,000. :D

A tank, eh? I like your style. Personally I recommend the Merkava for its cargo space and handling, although for armour protection the Challenger 2 can't be beaten (although M1A2 SEP advocates would argue the point).

Hell, I'll get both. The diesel train I also plan to get should carry both of 'em anyway.

Hell, I'll get both. The diesel train I also plan to get should carry both of 'em anyway.

Eh with trains you're limited to the rails, and I actually thought environmentalist like trains, so you're not doing it right!

If you have five kids, how the hell do you afford a car? Force them into slave labour?
I don't have five kids, I could only afford two, so I quit popping them out after that. My friend has 5 kids, all under 6, all in carseats, and has a GMC Yukon, it's the only vehicle she could find that had the proper restraints for all of them to be safe. She and I have been yelled at by "environmentalists" when we were on our way to the zoo before, because "you don't need an SUV"

guess what? she does. Some people do. I guess some people would like her to never take her kids anywhere, or to give some of them up for adoption, or something......

I don't have five kids, I could only afford two, so I quit popping them out after that. My friend has 5 kids, all under 6, all in carseats, and has a GMC Yukon, it's the only vehicle she could find that had the proper restraints for all of them to be safe. She and I have been yelled at by "environmentalists" when we were on our way to the zoo before, because "you don't need an SUV"

guess what? she does. Some people do. I guess some people would like her to never take her kids anywhere, or to give some of them up for adoption, or something......

HOW?!?!?! She'd need to make like $200,000 a year just to afford the kids...

Eh with trains you're limited to the rails, and I actually thought environmentalist like trains, so you're not doing it right!

1) The train gets about 40 gallons to the mile, thanks to the innovative "No Back Wheels" design. Besides, I'm only using it to take the tanks 1 mile to the road. Though the return trip is 39 miles because of all the oil refineries and trash incinerators I own that the train has to go around.

Regarding trains, just get a land train. Stick tracks on the engines and cars, and you're away! Remember to armour it and put guns on, the state police will probably not approve.

Children - mmm, I dunno, personally I reckon the Chinese One Child Policy is probably the most admirable thing that their government's done. Population pressure is a Bad Thing... I suspect that alone will get some of the more rabid eco-loonies shouting at you and your chums, Smunkee.

On the other hand, most people don't need SUVs. Perhaps - to become serious for a moment - the answer is to have to fill in a form to get an SUV. Increases beauraucracy and lowers the unemployment figures, too! :D

HOW?!?!?! She'd need to make like $200,000 a year just to afford the kids...

she stays home, I know how much her husband makes and it's not near that. Not everyone spends money like you think they do, some of us live on a budget to provide for our children and save for the future.

Regarding trains, just get a land train

That one rides alongside the rail train in case of emergency.

Though I noticed it only spills out half the expected CFCs... gonna have to fix that.

That one rides alongside the rail train in case of emergency.

Though I noticed it only spills out half the expected CFCs... gonna have to fix that.

But with two or three Land Trains instead of one and a rail train, all equipped with old fridges (a good source of CFCs), all your problems of mobility and pollution are solved!

But with two or three Land Trains instead of one and a rail train, all equipped with old fridges (a good source of CFCs), all your problems of mobility and pollution are solved!

I gotta save the other land trains for my squads of gaseous ninja who beat seals with bats so we can raise the world's most gaseous cattle.

You're not thinking big enough. If you burn the clubbed baby seals, you can power at least four other land trains for the personal transport of you, your significant other, and two children!

she stays home, I know how much her husband makes and it's not near that. Not everyone spends money like you think they do, some of us live on a budget to provide for our children and save for the future.
How do you know that? Going through their garbage are we? http://209.85.48.10/html/emoticons/ninja.gif Or, more plausibly, doing their taxes?

guess what? she does. Some people do. I guess some people would like her to never take her kids anywhere, or to give some of them up for adoption, or something......

Some people do, but there numbers are very very few and you could just as easily drive people carriers, or what you call "mini vans" which would be more economical for her, and with a family of 7 I would be thinking about that a lot.

You're not thinking big enough. If you burn the clubbed baby seals, you can power at least four other land trains for the personal transport of you, your significant other, and two children!
That's not funny. Clubbing baby seals is serious business.

You're not thinking big enough. If you burn the clubbed baby seals, you can power at least four other land trains for the personal transport of you, your significant other, and two children!

Well, we will soon get that power from burning hazardous waste. Besides, those methane bogs don't make themselves! Which is why we club and then bury the seals. The CH4 can be used for another land train so that makes nine: One near the rails, three for clubbing, four to burn hazmat, and the CH4

You're not thinking big enough. If you burn the clubbed baby seals, you can power at least four other land trains for the personal transport of you, your significant other, and two children!

Why stop at seals we could also use the hearts of Pandas, and baby sea-otters as well

Why stop at seals we could also use the hearts of Pandas, and baby sea-otters as well

Well, I suppose I could divert one of my unused hazmat burners for it. Sure, why not? That means more bog for everyone!!

That's not funny. Clubbing baby seals is serious business.

LULZ! INTERNET AM SEEREEUS BIZNESS!!!!!1!!

Everything is funny, looked at in the right light.

Yes, everything. Now pass me a ninja, I want to club a baby rhino with him.

Well, we will soon get that power from burning hazardous waste. Besides, those methane bogs don't make themselves! Which is why we club and then bury the seals. The CH4 can be used for another land train so that makes nine: One near the rails, three for clubbing, four to burn hazmat, and the CH4

You're onto something there... maybe if you add in some old-fashioned coal-fired burners to power your mobile phones?

Why stop at seals we could also use the hearts of Pandas, and baby sea-otters as well

We could, we could, but just using the hearts is such a dreadful wa... ste... oh! :D

To:The rest of the world.
From:USA
Subject:RE: To Americans: Stop buying 4x4s

Dear world, we've read your complaints about our big cars, and then we threw it in the trash, if you don't believe us, then see attached picture. What the rest of the world need to realize that America is not a small country like the UK, or Germany. It's a vast big country stretching 3,000 miles from the east coast to the west coast. That doesn't include Alaska and Hawaii.

Big country =/= nessecitate big car. Surely the counter is true, you need a lighter faster car because you need to get across vast distances faster. Certianly.


Some of us need big cars because we have a big family.

People in the UK who have big familys will often drive what we call people carriers, and what you call minivans. They use less fuel than a 4x4 and thats good for a large family as it means you have to pay less money. Also on avarage they are faster too.


Some of us need big cars because our job requires it.

Then you're company needs to pay for it, not you.


Some of us have 4x4 cars because we live in an area where it snows half of the time and need to drive through it.

In other countries we use what are called "snow ploughs" to clear the snow away. If you think that isnt good enough because the government doesnt have enough forces to clear the roads, maybe your government should stop subsidising petrol and make you pay its real price and tax it and you shouldnt cry "communist" every time taxes go up to be payed on public services


So to the rest of the world, bugger off and mind your own business.

Its our business too, we're all part of this world that you are poluting.

LULZ! INTERNET AM SEEREEUS BIZNESS!!!!!1!!

Everything is funny, looked at in the right light.

Yes, everything. Now pass me a ninja, I want to club a baby rhino with him.

*HAnds over a 300 pound ninja*

You're onto something there... maybe if you add in some old-fashioned coal-fired burners to power your mobile phones?

I use sludge and radioactive ooze for that.

We could, we could, but just using the hearts is such a dreadful wa... ste... oh! :D

And now you understand.

I've got a great idea!

Lets start using other people as alternative fuels!

I wish to be the first volunteer test subject on the human flesh powered suv!

I wish to be the first volunteer test subject on the human flesh powered suv!

Excellent!

*shoots Hynation*
*throws in burner*
*drives SUV over a baby seal*

Handles fine! :D

As an American, I can tell you with full knowledge that I do not own a 4x4, in fact, I don't even own a car, so stop preaching to us like all Americans drive around in Escalades.

I've got a great idea!

Lets start using other people as alternative fuels!

I wish to be the first volunteer test subject on the human flesh powered suv!

Meh, cows are better.

As an American, I can tell you with full knowledge that I do not own a 4x4, in fact, I don't even own a car, so stop preaching to us like all Americans drive around in Escalades.

:eek: You lying liar, you! We all know that Americans, at birth, are given the keys to a Hummer!

Except in California, where the Gubernator gives them a friendly wrestle and then mocks their lack of musculature as proving their girly-man status, before throwing them into an electric Hummer.

As an American, I can tell you with full knowledge that I do not own a 4x4, in fact, I don't even own a car, so stop preaching to us like all Americans drive around in Escalades.
Don't worry, others are making up for you, with their two-Escalade garage.

And this thread really should be directed at NORTH Americans. The amount of $65,000 3500 pickups being driven around the CITY is unreal here.

...Not so fast, chicken marengo. Not all of us in North America drive cars or have garages, either...

Excellent!

*shoots Hynation*
*throws in burner*
*drives SUV over a baby seal*

Handles fine! :D

Yay! I've become useful!

The amount of $65,000 3500 pickups being driven around the CITY is unreal here.

Are they armed?
Are they gun-truck technicals?
Are they in the pay of Blackwater?
Are they Private Military Contractors, or just filthy terrrorororororists?
Most importantly...

...why haven't they kept their free-at-birth Hummer? :confused:

Yay! I've become useful!

Want to test out my new Jeep (powered by methane formed from the finest clubbed seal carcasses) as a reward?

Or maybe my CFC-emitting hazmat-powered Hummer is more your style.

...Not so fast, chicken marengo. Not all of us in North America drive cars or have garages, either...

Doesn't matter, chicken adobo...just like I said to the yank, just because you and many others in North America don't have a car, or even a garage, doesn't mean that other gas-guzzlers aren't making up for it in spades. North Americans are the number one global consumer of leisure automobiles. All that means is that some families think they need an SUV for each member.

By the by, I'm still waiting for wedding pics:)

Is the Hummer made from uranium?

Is the Hummer made from uranium?

More of a uranium-plutonium alloy. But don't worry, the radiation won't hurt you while you wear this suit.

*Hands suit over*

Want to test out my new Jeep (powered by methane formed from the finest clubbed seal carcasses) as a reward?

Or maybe my CFC-emitting hazmat-powered Hummer is more your style.

I was used for fuel remember, I'm dead...
I'm not a renewable resource :(...wait...thats a good thing :)

Why, Menaris, thank you!

I was used for fuel remember, I'm dead...
I'm not a renewable resource :(...wait...thats a good thing :)

We've been cloning you in secret vats, whose by-product is lead and mercury. It's pumped into freshwater reservoirs and the like. :)

It is important to remember 'most' though - there are people with large families that need large cars, and tradesmen who need them for their job, why I don't like the idea of 'taxing 4x4s off the road' as some people think should be done. Unfortunately, though, in most cases thay are completely unnecessary. We've survived without them for years in the UK (except for tradesmen needing vans and trucks) and suddenly they are exploding - especially in urban and suburban areas where they aren't needed and frankly don't fit in our old, small, town and city streets.
It's probably why traffic is so horrible in some areas. Not only are people beign idiots, but they have these humongous SUVs that are hard to maneuver and move. Not to mention that at least 90% of all SUVs are completely unneeded...

As for the trade thing, feh. They can still use vans and trucks.

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

I've been avoiding this thread, thinking it would say 'buy a hybrid' if I opened it up. So I'm pleasantly surprised to see that you have actually recommended a fantastic car. :p

the part where he started rambling "these could fix the whole in the ozone layer, the brazilian rainforests, our tender young children!" just seemed a bit much. I HATE SUVs...they piss me off...(hummers in particular make me want to slash their tires, unless you're attempting to off road in the everglades or in the f*cking military, you do NOT need one), but I still thought the video seemed a bit preachy.

I'd never really understood the stereotype that American's don't get irony. Now I do.

We've been cloning you in secret vats, whose by-product is lead and mercury. It's pumped into freshwater reservoirs and the like. :)

Aw, that sucks I wanted to be a wasteful product :( ...at least I produce lead and mercury...

Aw, that sucks I wanted to be a wasteful product

There there, not everything's wasteful straight away. Besides, lead and mercury are extremely harmful byproducts, you should be proud!

There there, not everything's wasteful straight away. Besides, lead and mercury are extremely harmful byproducts, you should be proud!

can you nourish and feed my clones by feeding them unborn babies rather than the traditional saline solution?

can you nourish and feed my clones by feeding them unborn babies rather than the traditional saline solution?

Hmm. That might be difficult, but I'm sure we can find enough crack-whores to donate their fetuses... if not we'll just use siberian tiger cubs instead.

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

Wont do what I want it to

But I would not mind soccer moms finding a different status symbol then an SUV as well

Wont do what I want it to

What do you want it to do? Fly? Hop? Dance the Jitterbug?

Screw cars, we should be driving these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D2yl6B3Kyg) things.

What do you want it to do? Fly? Hop? Dance the Jitterbug?
Well to replace one of my 2 current 4x4's I need it to either

A) Be able to haul a 16 thousand pound cattle trailer off road from the far pasture, or plow snow.

B) Be able to recreational rock climb


The first one is the most important.

A) Be able to haul a 16 thousand pound cattle trailer off road from the far pasture, or plow snow.


So, apart from the fact that you need a TRUCK (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/21.html), not an SUV, and the fact that you are clearly not the city-dwelling urban parasite *spits* that drives SUVs to irritate the champagne socialist middle classes (and thus not applicable to this thread)... why are you even bothering posting? :p

So, apart from the fact that you need a TRUCK (http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/21.html), not an SUV, and the fact that you are clearly not the city-dwelling urban parasite *spits* that drives SUVs to irritate the champagne socialist middle classes (and thus not applicable to this thread)... why are you even bothering posting? :p

Correct truck is best ... before we got the truck we used a suburban 2500 for a few years it did the job but the max trailer weight is closer to 12000 pounds without the 5th wheel

Why does anyone bother posting in any thread ... why the existence of a thread targeted at an audience that is doing this to irritate or impress rather then out of need ...

There seems to be remarkably rather little point in it either way

Edit: oh and we see similar rigs up north where my moms side is from ... up on the iron range actually just got back.

America is diverse.
I live in the suburbs. If I drive 15 minutes in one direction, I can be in the middle of rush hour city traffic. If I drive 15 minutes in another direction, I can be going up a 40 degree slope on a country back road, with nothing but farmland and trees as far as the eye can see. You dont want a truck in the city, and you don't want a car in the country, so you pick an SUV, if you want the best of both worlds.
It is ridiculous to assume this country could ever adopt one single type of automobile, even just for people in the same county.

Also most SUVs are not good for or designed for off-roading. When road is covered in snow however, you'll wish you had a 4WD SUV for the road, albeit snow covered. They are also more comfortable for carrying more than 2 adults, and most cars can barely seat 2 comfortably. Combine that with towing ability and decent cargo space in models, I think its easy to see why they are so popular.

I know, really. Last time I went to test-drive cars, I tried out a Nissan Sentra. One of the better models as well. Okay, so I get behind the wheel and take it out. First off, the ride was uncomfortable, I could feel every bump...Second off, the car had -16 horsepower. It sucked. Just trying to get into traffic was harrowing. The car was so slow, that it can't get out of it's own way. I'm suprised I didn't crash into myself. Plus, the gas mileage isn't that great for a 4 cylinder. Only around 32 MPG. Next car I took out was a Mitsubishi Eclipse 4 cylinder. Not too fast, not too slow, but I'm not even a tall guy, and my head was about an inch from the cieling. It was uncomfortable and I felt sooo small on the road. Again, the gas mileage isn't too good for a small 4 cylinder. I got back into my 1996 Buick with it's big 3.8 v6, and pushed it hard going out of the lot, and remembered why I'm not getting rid of the Buick and moving to something small anytime in the near future. Not to mention the car cost me $450 dollars, and gets around 27 MPG when I'm commuting to work...

There's no way I'd consider buying either of those cars, especially if I had a family, though, I wouldn't buy an SUV or a van unless I had more than 2 kids. Until then I'll stick to Buicks.

America is diverse.
I live in the suburbs. If I drive 15 minutes in one direction, I can be in the middle of rush hour city traffic. If I drive 15 minutes in another direction, I can be going up a 40 degree slope on a country back road, with nothing but farmland and trees as far as the eye can see.
It is ridiculous to assume this country could ever adopt one single type of automobile, even just for people in the same county.

Also most SUVs are not good for or designed for off-roading. When road is covered in snow however, you'll wish you had a 4WD SUV for the road, albeit snow covered. They are also more comfortable for carrying more than 2 adults, and most cars can barely seat 2 comfortably. Combine that with towing ability and decent cargo space in models, I think its easy to see why they are so popular.

I own a 2500 heavy duty and have owned a 2500 suburban in the past for farm work

And yet my 05 impala, a CAR seats 4 way more comfortably then my suburban ever did

but your 05 impala is not a volkswagen golf

but your 05 impala is not a volkswagen golf

Correct but you said "most cars" I have been in plenty of American cars that seat 4 just fine

Even me and I am 6' 3"

Correct but you said "most cars" I have been in plenty of American cars that seat 4 just fine

Even me and I am 6' 3"

But the op is advocating we buy these little foreign cars, which as much as I hate to admit, represent most cars on the road today
you could fit 5 of me in a 93 caprice, but if you are lucky you will fit 2 in an 03 toyota crapola

You dont want a truck in the city,


You're lying. I want a truck. Preferably camouflaged, with a big black star on each door, and a flag, and maybe a squad of hardened anarchist shock troops inside it.

But thie op is advocating we buy these little foreign cars, which as much as I hate to admit, represent most cars on the road today

Not around here ... but again I am from farm country Minnesota lol

Correct but you said "most cars" I have been in plenty of American cars that seat 4 just fine

Even me and I am 6' 3"
The trick with American cars is not to get into them (with the exception of the Cobalt), but to drive the off the lot without them breaking down.


Except for Dodge, the trick there is to get them to honour their warranty. They print it on toilet paper for a reason.

The trick with American cars is not to get into them (with the exception of the Cobalt), but to drive the off the lot without them breaking down.


Except for Dodge, the trick there is to get them to honour their warranty. They print it on toilet paper for a reason.

My parents broke the 200 thousand mark with their alero and prism in the last few years

And before that broke the 280 thousand mark on a chevy 1500 and an oldsmobile

I dont know the only vehicle my family has ever really had a problem with was a doge caravan (97) that one had a lot of warenty work the rest went just fine

I can't imagine owning a house where I do, and not having a truck. Heck, it's bad enough trying to drive in the snow without a 4x4. Sure would be nice to able to plow too.

Maybe I should go out and buy a Chevy Blazer and put a plow on it, so I can plow...

I don't think a Toyota Prius is going to do that.

Ok.

SERIOUS QUESTION FOLLOWS:

Where is the best place to rent cheap cars for long-distance cross-US travel? Is there a chain of car hire places, or does each state have a different one?

The reason I ask is that Skgorria and I are going to drive across the US in 2008 (down the east coast from Boston to Florida, then across the Deep South - yeeha! - to California and then either back across in a diagonal to Boston or get the train if there is one... depending), and we need to plan more. No, we need to plan... so. Any ideas? Car hire in Boston? :)

Ok.

SERIOUS QUESTION FOLLOWS:

Where is the best place to rent cheap cars for long-distance cross-US travel? Is there a chain of car hire places, or does each state have a different one?

The reason I ask is that Skgorria and I are going to drive across the US in 2008 (down the east coast from Boston to Florida, then across the Deep South - yeeha! - to California and then either back across in a diagonal to Boston or get the train if there is one... depending), and we need to plan more. No, we need to plan... so. Any ideas? Car hire in Boston? :)

There are a lot of bigger named ones out there I guess I have never had to rent really

But if you are starting and ending in boston it should not be a big deal

You got one hell of a long drive on your hands though it aint going to be cheep and that will be a lot of frigging driving lol

Aha, we're hoping that the pound remains strong and that a two-man tag-team will be able to notch up the thousands of miles with ease. Ish. :p

Reassuring to know that it should be easy enough to rent in Boston, thanks, UpwardThrust.

I will now return you to your scheduled thread, i.e. Slagging Off The SUV. You may begin!

Ok.

SERIOUS QUESTION FOLLOWS:

Where is the best place to rent cheap cars for long-distance cross-US travel? Is there a chain of car hire places, or does each state have a different one?

The reason I ask is that Skgorria and I are going to drive across the US in 2008 (down the east coast from Boston to Florida, then across the Deep South - yeeha! - to California and then either back across in a diagonal to Boston or get the train if there is one... depending), and we need to plan more. No, we need to plan... so. Any ideas? Car hire in Boston? :)

I've rented from Enterprise Rent-a-Car many times before, and haven't had a problem with them. They even gave me a great deal (they didn't have to), when I couldn't afford to rent a car for the length of time I needed (my '93 S-10 Blazer was in the shop for a gas tank and fuel pump replacement, and they didn't have the parts in stock at the stealership).

My parents broke the 200 thousand mark with their alero and prism in the last few years

And before that broke the 280 thousand mark on a chevy 1500 and an oldsmobile

I dont know the only vehicle my family has ever really had a problem with was a doge caravan (97) that one had a lot of warenty work the rest went just fine
Every American car we've had have been major problems. All of them have needed major engine work, and all of them needed their heaters fixed (several times).

I've rented from Enterprise Rent-a-Car many times before, and haven't had a problem with them.

Cracking. :D That's just the kind of thing I was after, thanks. :)

Every American car we've had have been major problems. All of them have needed major engine work, and all of them needed their heaters fixed (several times).

Hmm, I've only owned GM vehicles (1978 Olds Cutlass Supreme, 1977 Olds Omega, 1987 Chevrolet Celebrity, 1993 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer 4x4, and a 2003 Cevrolet Silverado 4x4), and I've had to have major engine work done twice. The first time is when my Cutlass went over 160k miles. See, my dad was the person that worked on the car then (except for brakes and trannies), and felt it would be easier to swap the engine for one with less miles, instead of rebuild it. Also my Blazer needed the engine replaced, because there was a bolt missing on one of the connecting rods, which led to an eventual rod failure, crankshaft damage, and cylinder scoring. I believe the problem was the place I bought it used from had a shitty mechanic that made a lot of errors, including not replacing one of the valve pushrods during the engine replacement, which caused my engine to bog down since one of the exhaust valves wasn't opening (he's probably the one that forgot to replace that bolt in the connecting rod in the first place, on a previous service).

How do you know that? Going through their garbage are we? http://209.85.48.10/html/emoticons/ninja.gif Or, more plausibly, doing their taxes?
financial planner.
Some people do, but there numbers are very very few and you could just as easily drive people carriers, or what you call "mini vans" which would be more economical for her, and with a family of 7 I would be thinking about that a lot.
except she would have to leave two of her kids at home, or duct tape them to the luggage rack, either way it's going to cost more in legal fees than to just drive a car that accommodates her needs.

I don't have five kids, I could only afford two, so I quit popping them out after that. My friend has 5 kids, all under 6, all in carseats, and has a GMC Yukon, it's the only vehicle she could find that had the proper restraints for all of them to be safe. She and I have been yelled at by "environmentalists" when we were on our way to the zoo before, because "you don't need an SUV"

guess what? she does. Some people do. I guess some people would like her to never take her kids anywhere, or to give some of them up for adoption, or something......

Well, she is fucking the enviroment already by having six kids. Imagine how much they fart and poop.

So getting an SUV is just the chery in the ice cream of future apocalipse.

Well, she is fucking the enviroment already by having six kids. Imagine how much they fart and poop.

So getting an SUV is just the chery in the ice cream.

wow, you pro-choicers sure are rough on people who don't make the exact choice you would have aren't ya?

wow, you pro-choicers sure are rough on people who don't make the exact choice you would have aren't ya?

Yeah.

I would´ve stoped at 5.

I thought the idea of having more than 2 kids had stoped in first world countries.

Yeah.

I would´ve stoped at 5.

I thought the idea of having more than 2 kids had stoped in first world countries.

she only has 5.

We could just go back to using horses and wagons.

There's nothing wrong with a Volkswagen.

ZOMG, GM IS TEH 3B1L NAZI!!!111.......but seriously, those cars are much too small for my taste....I feel so cramped in small cars

Are these Kosher enough for you? (http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/Urara322/?action=view&current=.my_first_widget.pbw)

...Not so fast, chicken marengo. Not all of us in North America drive cars or have garages, either...

I always knew you were a cool Cat.

...Not so fast, chicken marengo. Not all of us in North America drive cars or have garages, either...
I thought that was were you kept your hydroponic gear.

Ok.

SERIOUS QUESTION FOLLOWS:

Where is the best place to rent cheap cars for long-distance cross-US travel? Is there a chain of car hire places, or does each state have a different one?

The reason I ask is that Skgorria and I are going to drive across the US in 2008 (down the east coast from Boston to Florida, then across the Deep South - yeeha! - to California and then either back across in a diagonal to Boston or get the train if there is one... depending), and we need to plan more. No, we need to plan... so. Any ideas? Car hire in Boston? :)

Try Rent-a-wreck -- I've had nice cars from them for $25 a day.

Was it a smart car? (or something along those lines) The problem with those is that, though they were supposed to be released in the U.S, they never advertised, no one knows where to but them (if they were ever released into this country at all), and they jacked the price up to something like $25,000! For a car that's only good for urban/ suburban driving, that's quite frankly rediculous. They're exploiting American envirnmentalism.

Keep in mind, the center of world envirnmentalism is not Japan or Scandinavia. It is America. The only problem with this is that America is also the first-world center of anti-environmentalism. As a little note, historically America has almost always been the one of the first to ignite major international causes, but, due to the disunity of the American populace, is also generally one of the last to convince itself to follow through.

Think of any historical reforms after the reintroduction of the republic- right down to slavery which Jefferson originally banned in the pre-ratification drafts of the Declaration of Independance (the Southern congressman refused to sign the document and free the country unless those passages were removed)- and you'll find this is the case.

When it comes to envirnmentalism, gay marriage, pacifism, etc. the international center is the cities surroiunding the San Francisco and Monterrey Bays.

Where is the best place to rent cheap cars for long-distance cross-US travel? Is there a chain of car hire places, or does each state have a different one?

All the major rental agencies are nationwide. Renting a car for that kind of journey will be horrendously expensive - in addition to the daily rate you generally have to pay for that excessive mileage.

Buying a car and then selling it when you leave is probably the best option - the difference in your purchase price and quick sale price would likely be lower than the rental fees.

Just 'cos no-one has posted it yet...

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQv16CMgxOY

Just 'cos no-one has posted it yet...

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQv16CMgxOY

You only need http:// once!!!!!

You only need http:// once!!!!!

Whoops!!!!111one :p

(Yes, I did know that; Jolt's URL dialog changed recently on my machine for some reason, and it's caught me out a couple times)

Katganistan - cheers. :D That's another car hire place name on The List. :)

Buying a car and then selling it when you leave is probably the best option - the difference in your purchase price and quick sale price would likely be lower than the rental fees.

Ooh, now there's an idea. It gets a thumbs-up 'cause it improves customisability of said car, too. :D

I HATE SUVs...they piss me off...(hummers in particular make me want to slash their tires, unless you're attempting to off road in the everglades or in the f*cking military, you do NOT need one

Have you seen stretch hummers? Horrible things they are.

For the record, i drive a very fuel efficient Toyota, and i drive it about twice a month, otherwise i use public transortation.

Good idea!

Have you seen stretch hummers? Horrible things they are.
*Shudders*

historically America has almost always been the one of the first to ignite major international causes

Riiiight....
Like the renaissance, maybe ?

When it comes to envirnmentalism, gay marriage, pacifism, etc. the international center is the cities surroiunding the San Francisco and Monterrey Bays.


Riiiight....
The first forms of Pacifism appeared around 600 BCE.
Gay marriage was legalized in the netherlands before anywhere else in the world.
Abolition of slavery was first instituted in Great Britain.

Revise your facts.

Riiiight....
Like the renaissance, maybe ?




Riiiight....
The first forms of Pacifism appeared around 600 BCE.
Gay marriage was legalized in the netherlands before anywhere else in the world.
Abolition of slavery was first instituted in Great Britain.

Revise your facts.

This is ungoodthinkful verging crimethink. USA rules the world and is doubleplusgood. Britain doubleplusungood oldthinkers

Yay sarcastic Newspeak sentences! And yay withe text! Ph33r the wh1t3 t3xt 0f d00m!!

This is ungoodthinkful verging crimethink. USA rules the world and is doubleplusgood. Britain doubleplusungood oldthinkers

Yay sarcastic Newspeak sentences! And yay withe text! Ph33r the wh1t3 t3xt 0f d00m!!

The ministry of truth agrees with this, we recommend the use of white text outside Room 101 as well.

I don't care. I don't live in the People's Republic of America.

Everytime you buy an SUV, The Stig will run someone over.

A tank, eh? I like your style. Personally I recommend the Merkava for its cargo space and handling, although for armour protection the Challenger 2 can't be beaten (although M1A2 SEP advocates would argue the point).

*Points to Leopard 2A6*

Now that's just extracting the urine. :mad:

Extractin the Urine?

If you want to be really extavagant with fuel use then you would travel using only a fleet of B52s + building crews and vehicles to make runways wherever you want.

Every American car we've had have been major problems. All of them have needed major engine work, and all of them needed their heaters fixed (several times).

Interesting I never had any heaters fixed, being in Minnesota it is rather important feature as well.

I have had a thermostat go out but that is a 10 to 15 dollar fix with maybe 20 minuits in labor

the center of world envirnmentalism is not Japan or Scandinavia. It is America. War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Regarding 'extracting the urine' - it's 'taking the piss', as rendered by a Corporal of Horse in the Lifeguards that I once knew.

And the Leopard 2A6? Fair enough. I'll say that the C2, the 2A6 and the M1A2 SEP are the top three tanks in the world. :p

This is ungoodthinkful verging crimethink. USA rules the world and is doubleplusgood. Britain doubleplusungood oldthinkers

Cit doublebad - oldthink pastdiction. Newthink nowdiction v10 minitru.

Regarding 'extracting the urine' - it's 'taking the piss', as rendered by a Corporal of Horse in the Lifeguards that I once knew.

Ahhh, I see.

I now need some piss beer...

And the Leopard 2A6? Fair enough. I'll say that the C2, the 2A6 and the M1A2 SEP are the top three tanks in the world. :p

Cit doublebad - oldthink pastdiction. Newthink nowdiction v10 minitru.

I never actually read 1984 *notices the sudden quiet in the cowboy bar scene* so I cannot deceipher what the newspeak means in oldspeak.

Also, what do you think of the model 95 by the chinese? What is SEP version of the M1A2?

They didn't show how it performs off road though, so i'm not sure if it can be as useful as a 4 by 4 if you want to do off road driving.

I never actually read 1984 *notices the sudden quiet in the cowboy bar scene* so I cannot deceipher what the newspeak means in oldspeak.

Basically, in 1984, the Newthink/Newspeak is always evolving, the aim being to break the language down into as few words as possible. One of the characters - who is disappeared - talks excitedly to Winston about this very subject in the mess at their work. As a result, I was using a more updated version to condemn you to the camps for being reactionary. :p

Also, what do you think of the model 95 by the chinese? What is SEP version of the M1A2?

It's Chinese, I've not got a high opinion of their tanks. However, the Type 99 - their most advanced tank - looks pretty good; second tier maybe, along with the top of the line Russian stuff and the Merkava.

The M1A2 SEP is the ultra-up-armoured package which makes the M1A2 really well protected to the front and on the top, but slows it down. Massive add on armour pack basically.

Its just not the same as my '76 Volkswagon van.

Riiiight....
Like the renaissance, maybe ?




Riiiight....
The first forms of Pacifism appeared around 600 BCE.
Gay marriage was legalized in the netherlands before anywhere else in the world.
Abolition of slavery was first instituted in Great Britain.

Revise your facts.

Actually, slavery was first abolished in one of the Scandanavian states some time in the 14th century. Cant remember which one though.

Its just not the same as my '76 Volkswagon van.

Cool, I have a '67. (and an '85 Vanagon, but that's no where near as cool...)

Cool, I have a '67. (and an '85 Vanagon, but that's no where near as cool...)

Indeed. The 80's just wasnt as good as the 70's.

Indeed. The 80's just wasnt as good as the 70's.

Obviously my preference leans a bit towards the 60s...(my baby is a spit window camper)

(my baby is a spit window camper)How unfortunate. :p

How unfortunate. :p

It's like a camel, temperamental and willing to let you know about it...

i should be getting one of these soon (with a bit of luck), so fuck what the rest of you drive :p

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2200/307cc20alexoi8.jpg


i did sit in one of those mitsubishi animal (http://www.grosvenorgarage.co.uk/images/animal_002.jpg) cars the other day at the showroom, and it was pretty horrible. for starters i didn't like being that high up... it was like being in a van.

Buy one of these instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYRdYHCXAE

Since it meets all the practical requirements of a car in suburbia, unless you really need a 4x4 for off-roading, this would be much better for everyone. And as it says at the end its not just this one, theres plenty of others. 4x4's are too dangerous for other road users and pedestrians and very very expensive to run and expensive enviromentally as well.

Man that link had an 8 minute video. That's 8 minutes to long. I'm an American!! We have low attention spans remember???