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I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

Google might turn up some covens in your area. After that it's legwork on your part to talk to the people there and find out what they're all about.

Other than that, all I can tell you about wicca is what wikipedia can tell me.

Wikipedia?:D

Incidentally, I went out with somebody who was Wikka. Crazy ho....

Google might turn up some covens in your area. After that it's legwork on your part to talk to the people there and find out what they're all about.

Other than that, all I can tell you about wicca is what wikipedia can tell me.

Shame loads of people can post a load of bollocks on wikipedia if the mood takes them.

Wikipedia?:D

Incidentally, I went out with somebody who was Wikka. Crazy ho....

Well, it's not spelled with Ks, but whatever. And some neo-pagan religions (Not sure if Wicca does this, and I'm too lazy to check.) worship the "Feminine Aspect", which is obviously going to attract some real nutters, more then other neo-pagan religions with a basically gender-neutral gods or basically balanced pantheons.

Well, it's not spelled with Ks, but whatever. And some neo-pagan religions (Not sure if Wicca does this, and I'm too lazy to check.) worship the "Feminine Aspect", which is obviously going to attract some real nutters, more then other neo-pagan religions with a basically gender-neutral gods or basically balanced pantheons.

I know I'm discordian because Eris is hot :p

Well, it's not spelled with Ks, but whatever. And some neo-pagan religions (Not sure if Wicca does this, and I'm too lazy to check.) worship the "Feminine Aspect", which is obviously going to attract some real nutters, more then other neo-pagan religions with a basically gender-neutral gods or basically balanced pantheons.

That might explain a few things.....:p

Never go out with religious people. Ever.

Wicca Covens (or, as the Europeans call them, "football clubs"), gather in open fields to dance naked every full moon. So that is probably your best bet about where/when to find one. If there are no fields nearby, then a cornfield or busy interstate work as second choices.
Just be sure that they're actually a Wicca Coven, and not just a bunch of perverts. You can tell the perverts from the Wiccans because the Wiccans will be teenage girls and the perverts will be old men.

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

how many religions are you going to cycle through before you figure out that you don't know what you want out of life?

Why not the flying spag bol?

Wicca....a 19th century 'religion' for the debauched.

Wicca Covens (or, as the Europeans call them, "football clubs"), gather in open fields to dance naked every full moon. So that is probably your best bet about where/when to find one. If there are no fields nearby, then a cornfield or busy interstate work as second choices.
Just be sure that they're actually a Wicca Coven, and not just a bunch of perverts. You can tell the perverts from the Wiccans because the Wiccans will be teenage girls and the perverts will be old men.

Quoted for glorious truth.

Well, it's not spelled with Ks, but whatever. And some neo-pagan religions (Not sure if Wicca does this, and I'm too lazy to check.) worship the "Feminine Aspect", which is obviously going to attract some real nutters, more then other neo-pagan religions with a basically gender-neutral gods or basically balanced pantheons.

There are various traditions of Wicca, and there is one that places over-empahasis on the Goddess (Dianic tradition), which is a shame in my opinion because it seems to be a kind of response to patriarchal religions, but isn't a matriarchal religion (or more accurately, tradition of a religion - like a denomination) just as bad? Most Wiccan traditions worship a Being with male and female aspects, or a variation of that such as a God and a Goddess.

Wicca Covens (or, as the Europeans call them, "football clubs"), gather in open fields to dance naked every full moon. So that is probably your best bet about where/when to find one. If there are no fields nearby, then a cornfield or busy interstate work as second choices.
Just be sure that they're actually a Wicca Coven, and not just a bunch of perverts. You can tell the perverts from the Wiccans because the Wiccans will be teenage girls and the perverts will be old men.

Let's hope everyone knows you're either joking or seriously misinformed (including about the latter).

how many religions are you going to cycle through before you figure out that you don't know what you want out of life?

I will remain a Wiccan. I will maybe provide a more full explanation of the being a Christian for only a short time and converting to Wicca, at a much later date, and maybe only if you remind me.

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

As others said. Google.

Once quick search of wicca and brooklyn turned up a huge list (http://www.witchvox.com/vn/gr/usny_gra.html). And that was just the first result.

Without knowing where you live I can't really give you anything more specific.

Why not the flying spag bol?

Wicca....a 19th century 'religion' for the debauched.

Hardly. Modern Wicca was invented in 1954.

Why not the flying spag bol?

Wicca....a 19th century 'religion' for the debauched.

Because it's so fashionable. Duh!

I will remain a Wiccan. I will maybe provide a more full explanation of the being a Christian for only a short time and converting to Wicca, at a much later date, and maybe only if you remind me.
I don't need an explanation, I know why.

Hardly. Modern Wicca was invented in 1954.

yeah...I was also thinking more along the lines of the Stonehenge thing....

You are right though about modern Wicca.

I don't need an explanation, I know why.

No you don't. You can't read my mind and you don't know enough about my life.

I just mentioned this thread to my wife, who is a Wiccan Priestess in the Gardnerian tradition. She said she might drop in later and give you some advice, Multiland. Me, I'm not much one for joining organizations of any sort, so I'll just say 'good luck' to you.

Good luck to you.

I know enought to know a lot of it, if not all of it, is convoluted shite. Its not as annoying as the Judeao-Christian-Muslim thing though, as a few beers and dancing widdershins round a fire sounds fair enough to me.

yeah...I was also thinking more along the lines of the Stonehenge thing....

Stonehenge is a little older than 19th century.

No you don't. You can't read my mind and you don't know enough about my life.

you post enough about it around here, besides I know your personality.

I know enought to know a lot of it, if not all of it, is convoluted shite. Its not as annoying as the Judeao-Christian-Muslim thing though, as a few beers and dancing widdershins round a fire sounds fair enough to me.

Well, it's just as convoluted as anything else going, but if it works for people and doesn't harm others, what's anybody's problem with it?

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

Didn't you just make a thread saying you liked fire? Now Wicca hmmm hmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, need a hug?

yeah...I was also thinking more along the lines of the Stonehenge thing....

You are right though about modern Wicca.

Wicca may have cam into a publicly-announced coherent/structured existence in/around 1950, but it is at least partly based on at least some old beliefs.

Well, it's just as convoluted as anything else going, but if it works for people and doesn't harm others, what's anybody's problem with it?

emmm....thats what I sort of said.....

Hopefully you manage to avoid the fluff-bunny dumbassery that affects so many recent converts to Wicca. No 'burning times' rants or 'my great-great-grandmother was a which and burned in Salem' or Wicca is x thousand years old posts or we stone you.

Stonehenge is a little older than 19th century.

No its not! It was a Victorian folly! ;)

Ok seriously...

I remember reading some book about Stonehenge and the circumstances of its ownership. The author proposed that it was a site of 'pagan' worship in the 19th century...

There are a number of organizations that provide information out there - COG is one (Covenant of the Goddess). They're probably one of the best sources. If you're in Southern California, you might try The Ecclasian Pagan Fellowship. Some Universalist Unitarian Churches have a group called CUUPs (Universalist Unitarian Pagans) associated with them. I don't know where you're located, but most good-sized towns have at least one occult shop where information can be found.

I, personally, don't care for Gardnerian Wicca. It's not fluid enough for me. Also, I tend to be a solitary by nature (I'm more of a Taoist agnostic anyway).

Didn't you just make a thread saying you liked fire? Now Wicca hmmm hmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, need a hug?

I like fire too, while I also venerate the archetypes of both Prometheus and Loki. Do you feel that the enjoyment of the one somehow invalidates belief in the other?

I, personally, don't care for Gardnerian Wicca. It's not fluid enough for me.
That's what I'd felt as well.

you post enough about it around here, besides I know your personality.

I post a lot, but my whole life isn't summed up in all the posts I've made on forums. And you don't know my personality, you just get brief glimpses of it on here. Again, you can't read my mind and you don't know enough about my life.

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

You've converted, yet you ask us? Here? On NSG? Hmm...

You've converted, yet you ask us? Here? On NSG? Hmm...

I'm slightly insulted that he didn't consult us before converting.

You've converted, yet you ask us? Here? On NSG? Hmm...

LOOK:
I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

I post a lot, but my whole life isn't summed up in all the posts I've made on forums. And you don't know my personality, you just get brief glimpses of it on here. Again, you can't read my mind and you don't know enough about my life.

I know from your posts here that you tend to jump into things without any real knowledge of them, and then get pissed off when people point out your ignorance.

I know from your posts here that you tend to jump into things without any real knowledge of them, and then get pissed off when people point out your ignorance.

No, I don't.

And my ignorance? Hmm. Coming from someone who (prior to my reactionary signature) had a massive signature related to Islam yet you seem to ignore the five pillars of Islam. Interesting.

In fact why am I even responding? I just remembered you were very ignorant and narrow-minded in most threads I've read on here.

LOOK:
I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

Most Wiccan covens require that you be over 18 to join. They also require a year and a day of training in the particular traditions of that coven before initiation. Some have organized classes, some don't, but have sort of an apprenticeship. As a solitary you can be self-initiated, but that won't count when joining a group.

I've found that religion is a growing process, a lot of people will progress through many types of religion before finding where they belong. I went through Latter-Day Saints, fundamentalism, Catholicism and Wicca before I finally decided that religion wasn't as important as being true to myself. That's the ultimate goal, being true to yourself, whether as a Christian, Wiccan, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, Jain or whatever.

No, I don't.

And my ignorance? Hmm. Coming from someone who (prior to my reactionary signature) had a massive signature related to Islam yet you seem to ignore the five pillars of Islam. Interesting.

In fact why am I even responding? I just remembered you were very ignorant and narrow-minded in most threads I've read on here.

Given what I know of Wicca, that's not an appropriate response. It ignores just about everything Wicca teaches. Grasshopper, you have a long way to go (for the record, I was initiated as a first-degree priestess in the Ecclasian Pagan Fellowship as well as being a corded teacher in that Fellowship).

I like fire too, while I also venerate the archetypes of both Prometheus and Loki. Do you feel that the enjoyment of the one somehow invalidates belief in the other?

I asked if he needed a hug. Do you need one to?

I asked if he needed a hug. Do you need one to?

Do I need one to what?

No, I don't.

And my ignorance? Hmm. Coming from someone who (prior to my reactionary signature) had a massive signature related to Islam yet you seem to ignore the five pillars of Islam. Interesting.

In fact why am I even responding? I just remembered you were very ignorant and narrow-minded in most threads I've read on here.

what the fuck are you talking about?:confused:

No its not! It was a Victorian folly! ;)

Ok seriously...

I remember reading some book about Stonehenge and the circumstances of its ownership. The author proposed that it was a site of 'pagan' worship in the 19th century...

Be that as it may, there is no evidence that any of modern Wicca's beliefs are derived from older pagan religions. Gerald Gardener, the guy who wrote down the rites claimed as such, but offered no proof that it wasn't all of his own creation. He did, however, admit to rewriting significant sections so there's no credit to the claim that Wicca is thousands or even hundreds of years old. Wicca is 70 years old and was invented by a retired British civil servant.

Sorry.

Given what I know of Wicca, that's not an appropriate response. It ignores just about everything Wicca teaches. Grasshopper, you have a long way to go (for the record, I was initiated as a first-degree priestess in the Ecclasian Pagan Fellowship as well as being a corded teacher in that Fellowship).

What isn't? The post I just made or what I was referring to. I know what I was referring to isn't (and my sig's been changed for a long time).

As for the post I just made on this thread, how does it ignore everything Wicca teaches? The central (but not only) statement of Wiccan ethics is in my signature, which is interpreted personally by each individual, and not everyone comes up with the same interpretation.

I do agree though that I have a long way to go. I was not led to Wicca until I was ready, and I will not join a coven until I'm ready.

what the fuck are you talking about?:confused:

How should I know?

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Except for when I know what I'm talking about.

Which may or may not be very often.

Bananas.

I'm slightly insulted that he didn't consult us before converting.
I know that's my SOP :)
LOOK:
*Snip*

Yeah, my post still stands.

How should I know?

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Except for when I know what I'm talking about.

Which may or may not be very often.

Bananas.

You are very typical of any new convert. You burst with enthusiasm with your new-found "knowledge" and want to display it for everyone to see and ooh and aah over. You'll get over it.

How should I know?

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Except for when I know what I'm talking about.

Which may or may not be very often.

Bananas.

I've heard of talking out of your ass, but posting out of your ass?



Yeah I'm familiar with that too.

Do I need one to what?

Exactly

You are very typical of any new convert. You burst with enthusiasm with your new-found "knowledge" and want to display it for everyone to see and ooh and aah over. You'll get over it.

he comes up with a "new thing" every few weeks........apparently the new "new thing" is he thinks I am Sovistan. :p

he comes up with a "new thing" every few weeks........apparently the new "new thing" is he thinks I am Sovistan. :p

Sounds like it would make an interesting drink. :D

I think it's some whacked-out experiment like Mormons and Scientologists, but I'm not sure. They claim to be pagan though.

Sounds like it would make an interesting drink. :D

Off-topic question: What's with the Up Yours smilie in your sig? It makes you seem very angry, and makes me think you flame people everytime I see your posts until I look closer...

Off-topic question: What's with the Up Yours smilie in your sig? It makes you seem very angry, and makes me think you flame people everytime I see your posts until I look closer...

Ditto. I keep thinking "Someone's using a noob smiley, power up the mocking engines!", until I realise it's in his sig. :(

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

Shouldn't you actually, like, know something about a religion before you commit to it and 'convert'?

I never liked people calling themselves "pagan" as their religion. On the one hand, it willingly adopts an essentially degrading term given by Christians centuries ago. On the other, calling yourself a pagan is literally calling yourself a Roman redneck. :p

I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short) an am already wondering about covens. I know plenty of Wiccans believe a person does not have to join a coven to be a Wiccan, but I want to. I had thought Gardnerian, but now I'm not sure. Does anyone know if it's usually possible to find out a lot about a particular coven before being initiated, or is that really difficult because of participatory requirements?

Some people spend their entire wiccan 'lives' as solataires. You certainly don't need a coven, any more than a Christian 'needs' a church. So - it really depends on you, and what you are looking for. If it's fellowship you want, you need a coven.

Gardnerian practise is usually pretty rigid - which is why it attracts a lot of people converting from organised religion. It is very much about the rules and the rituals, and is far more heavily dependent on masochistic elements than most other forms of wicca. If you want ritual flogging, ritual garments, and bizarre rules about 'levels', that's the way to go - but it doesn't lend itself too well to individualistic approaches.

My advice would be to read around the subject and find out what you want, and what wicca is to you. Then look for companions... even if you have to be long-distance conected to people in order to find like-minded individuals.

It's a bit of a cliche, popularised by characters on tv (like Willow, in Buffy), but this is a good time to be a 'techno-pagan' of whichever stripe. It has never been easier to find a coven (if you want one), because people can be united in real-time, across the globe.

I'd say ignore most of what you read on NSG. Most people commenting on wicca have little or no idea, or think they know something, but have no serious research to back it up. That's true here and elsewhere - even among those that practise wicca. Not everyone practises 'skyclad'. Not everyone uses the rituals or toys that some favour.

This is a useful book: http://www.amazon.com/Wicca-Handbook-Eileen-Holland/dp/1578631351/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-2723572-1401740?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179618161&sr=8-1

Be that as it may, there is no evidence that any of modern Wicca's beliefs are derived from older pagan religions. Gerald Gardener, the guy who wrote down the rites claimed as such, but offered no proof that it wasn't all of his own creation. He did, however, admit to rewriting significant sections so there's no credit to the claim that Wicca is thousands or even hundreds of years old. Wicca is 70 years old and was invented by a retired British civil servant.

Sorry.

I don't know what you are apologising for.

Please note I said paganism...not Wicca.

lol, wickerns

I think it's some whacked-out experiment like Mormons and Scientologists, but I'm not sure. They claim to be pagan though.

I'm no fan of Mormonism, or Wicca, but comparing them to Scientology? That just going to far. Scientology is the batshit insanest of the batshit insane. Scientology makes every crazy religion combined in a massive 'eclectic' jumble seem rational and reasonable.

I'm no fan of Mormonism, or Wicca, but comparing them to Scientology? That just going to far. Scientology is the batshit insanest of the batshit insane. Scientology makes every crazy religion combined in a massive 'eclectic' jumble seem rational and reasonable.

Mormonism- God used to be human, but he was really good, so he got our planet and us, he came down had sex with Mary and she birthed Satan's brother Jesus. If you are good when you die you can have your own planet.

Wicca- not as crazy sounding.....I agree.

wicca is batshit mystical primitivism with nothing to legitimize it. it's complete bolox.

wicca is batshit mystical primitivism with nothing to legitimize it. it's complete bolox.

Just...like...every...other...religion...

I've looked at Paganism myself, I've looked at Norse (Asatru and Odinism) as well as Wicca, I'm still searching, but that's ok because it allows time for my spiritual self to grow, and I'll grow along with it. :) Maybe one day I'll find a religion that I can feel comfortable in, and if I don't then at least I know that I am a good and decent person and treat my fellow man the same way that I'd want to be treated. :)

Mormonism- God used to be human, but he was really good, so he got our planet and us, he came down had sex with Mary and she birthed Satan's brother Jesus. If you are good when you die you can have your own planet.

Wicca- not as crazy sounding.....I agree.

You also forgot Mormons believe that angels who fought against Satan were White, and Satan's demons were casted into Hell, however the angels that didn't take either side and just waited on the sidelines were turned into black people.

I've looked at Paganism myself, I've looked at Norse (Asatru and Odinism) as well as Wicca, I'm still searching, but that's ok because it allows time for my spiritual self to grow, and I'll grow along with it. :) Maybe one day I'll find a religion that I can feel comfortable in, and if I don't then at least I know that I am a good and decent person and treat my fellow man the same way that I'd want to be treated. :)

I looked at Wicca myself, and Judaism, until I realized that organized religion was BS...

If you're going to have a religion, why should it be organized?

I looked at Wicca myself, and Judaism, until I realized that organized religion was BS...

If you're going to have a religion, why should it be organized?

You're talking to a defected Catholic. ;) We're all about organization and rituals, etc.

Just...like...every...other...religion...

yes, but, along with rastafarianism, scientology and mormanism it is one of the most obviously rediculous.

i.e. it has no tradition on which to draw on as a legitimizing factor.

Fight clubs are better.

Fight clubs are better.

Hey, you forgot Rule one! *drags Luporum into a dark room*

Hey, you forgot Rule one! *drags Luporum into a dark room*

There is no punishment for violating rule number one. :D

There is no punishment for violating rule number one. :D

There is in the NSG Fight Club. *nods*

There is in the NSG Fight Club. *nods*

we tear out organs you never even knew you had. *nod*

we tear out organs you never even knew you had. *nod*

I wanna nod, 'cause I feel left out. *nod*

I wanna nod, 'cause I feel left out. *nod*

did you do it in the secreet way? cuz otherwise you will be shunned.

I've looked at Paganism myself, I've looked at Norse (Asatru and Odinism) as well as Wicca, I'm still searching, but that's ok because it allows time for my spiritual self to grow, and I'll grow along with it. :) Maybe one day I'll find a religion that I can feel comfortable in, and if I don't then at least I know that I am a good and decent person and treat my fellow man the same way that I'd want to be treated. :)

Why do you think you need a religion to feel comfortable? It's fairly obvious that it's not the religion itself that provides you with security, it's the spiritual side of it that does, otherwise you wouldn't convert so readily between them (and still be open to new ones). You're seeking spirituality, not religion. I suggest Humanism. Much more rational.

Why do you think you need a religion to feel comfortable? It's fairly obvious that it's not the religion itself that provides you with security, it's the spiritual side of it that does, otherwise you wouldn't convert so readily between them (and still be open to new ones). You're seeking spirituality, not religion. I suggest Humanism. Much more rational.

I said I looked at them, I never converted.

I said I looked at them, I never converted.

You converted to Wicca. You self-admittedly spent little time as a Christian. You're open to converting again, should a more appropriate religion come along. The only thing linking this journey is that you're seeking spirituality. You're not seeking religion.

You converted to Wicca. You self-admittedly spent little time as a Christian. You're open to converting again, should a more appropriate religion come along. The only thing linking this journey is that you're seeking spirituality. You're not seeking religion.

Ok, I'm going to speak slowly so that you can understand ok?

I....did.....not....convert.....to....any.....other.....religion.....I.....only......studied
....Them.....I.....was.....Catholic.......for.....23......years......Am.....I....making....
....myself.......clear?

jeez....

Ok, I'm going to speak slowly so that you can understand ok?

I....did.....not....convert.....to....any.....other.....religion.....I.....only......studied
....Them.....I.....was.....Catholic.......for.....23......years......Am.....I....making....
....myself.......clear?

jeez....

*shrugs*

You're the one who opened this thread with:


I recently converted to Wicca (yes, I know, my time as a Christian was short)


How else can that be taken? It's not my reading comprehension that's at fault here.

How else can that be taken? It's not my reading comprehension that's at fault here.

Um yeah it is. That was Multiland.

What isn't? The post I just made or what I was referring to. I know what I was referring to isn't (and my sig's been changed for a long time).

As for the post I just made on this thread, how does it ignore everything Wicca teaches? The central (but not only) statement of Wiccan ethics is in my signature, which is interpreted personally by each individual, and not everyone comes up with the same interpretation.

I do agree though that I have a long way to go. I was not led to Wicca until I was ready, and I will not join a coven until I'm ready.

One of the major thrusts of Wicca, as I was taught, was to respect other people: another was to understand others.. You have demonstrated not only lack of respect for Smunkee, but lack of knowledge of her. You seem to be a "shoot from the hip" sort - the kind of person who would say "Kill them all, let God(s) sort them out." If you really believe, and understand, Wiccan Rede you will think long and carefully before you act or speak.

The complete Rede is as follows: "Love is the law, love under will, an you harm no one, do what you will." It means, and this is taught by every coven and priestess I have ever met (and is not subject to the personal interpretation of uneducated non-initiates or new-minted Wiccans), that the one law of Wicca is a love of all and, while sexual expression of love is part of it, this must be brought under the will of the individual - in other words you control yourself. An it harm no one, do as you will - means that by word or action you bring harm to no one - i.e. you cannot harm someone even by thoughtless actions - so think carefully before you act or speak; do as you will - will in this sense being those thoughts, words and actions that will help bring you to your highest self. Nothing of your responses in this thread indicate self-control, thought or understanding.

You seem to me to be like most very young people, who think that Wicca frees them from all restraint - all you have to do is not intend harm and you're fine. This is the farthest thing from the truth. Wicca, while not necessarily an organized religion, is a religion of self-discipline if followed with respect to what it actually means.

You might also remember the other tenet of Wicca, which is the three-fold law - everything you do will come back to you three times whether good or bad.

*shrugs*

You're the one who opened this thread with:



How else can that be taken? It's not my reading comprehension that's at fault here.

God.....

Ok, look at my name, and then look at the name of OP. I am Wilgrove, the OP is Multiland.

Yes.

:cool:

Um yeah it is. That was Multiland.

lmfao :D

God.....

Ok, look at my name, and then look at the name of OP. I am Wilgrove, the OP is Multiland.

Oh. Oops, my bad. No idea why I confused you.

...so you converted to wicca without really understanding it? And you think smunkee is wrong...

Oh. Oops, my bad. No idea why I confused you.

I now reserve the right to hit you on the head with a clipboard.

*hits you on the head with the clipboard*

Mormonism- God used to be human, but he was really good, so he got our planet and us, he came down had sex with Mary and she birthed Satan's brother Jesus. If you are good when you die you can have your own planet.

Wicca- not as crazy sounding.....I agree.

Alien Overlord Xenu vs 'Indians are the lost tribes of Israel'. Mormonism is pretty crazy, and racist to boot (although the LDS have renounced most of their openly racist beliefs) and yet, they've yet to mention alien overlords blowing up magic spirits in volcanoes with enough trillions of nukes. Scientology pwns any batshit crazy contest, ever.

...so you converted to wicca without really understanding it? And you think smunkee is wrong...

and apparently Muslim.

Isn't wicca that stuff hot air ballon baskets are made of?

Or am I confusing it with the travel journalist Allan Wicca?

That's wicker, not Wicca...

Oh. I should have know, watching 'Practical Magic' last night. Maybe I lost the flow of the story as all I wanted to do was bone Nicole Kidman. And that ginger daughter character.

ha who can blame you

I thought only annoying teenage girls were allowed to convert to Wicca. :confused:

You are very typical of any new convert. You burst with enthusiasm with your new-found "knowledge" and want to display it for everyone to see and ooh and aah over. You'll get over it.

Nah.

There was a reason I posted it that actually had nothing to do with Wicca, but I aint gonna tell you what that is so ner ner ner ner ner :-p

One of the major thrusts of Wicca, as I was taught, was to respect other people: another was to understand others.. You have demonstrated not only lack of respect for Smunkee, but lack of knowledge of her. You seem to be a "shoot from the hip" sort - the kind of person who would say "Kill them all, let God(s) sort them out." If you really believe, and understand, Wiccan Rede you will think long and carefully before you act or speak.

The complete Rede is as follows: "Love is the law, love under will, an you harm no one, do what you will." It means, and this is taught by every coven and priestess I have ever met (and is not subject to the personal interpretation of uneducated non-initiates or new-minted Wiccans), that the one law of Wicca is a love of all and, while sexual expression of love is part of it, this must be brought under the will of the individual - in other words you control yourself. An it harm no one, do as you will - means that by word or action you bring harm to no one - i.e. you cannot harm someone even by thoughtless actions - so think carefully before you act or speak; do as you will - will in this sense being those thoughts, words and actions that will help bring you to your highest self. Nothing of your responses in this thread indicate self-control, thought or understanding.

You seem to me to be like most very young people, who think that Wicca frees them from all restraint - all you have to do is not intend harm and you're fine. This is the farthest thing from the truth. Wicca, while not necessarily an organized religion, is a religion of self-discipline if followed with respect to what it actually means.

You might also remember the other tenet of Wicca, which is the three-fold law - everything you do will come back to you three times whether good or bad.

Partly wrong about me, but generally you make a good point. Cheers.

I know I'm discordian because Eris is hot :pAs good a reason to pick a religion as any ;)

Alien Overlord Xenu vs 'Indians are the lost tribes of Israel'. Mormonism is pretty crazy, and racist to boot (although the LDS have renounced most of their openly racist beliefs) and yet, they've yet to mention alien overlords blowing up magic spirits in volcanoes with enough trillions of nukes. Scientology pwns any batshit crazy contest, ever.The only real problem I have with scientology is that they actually believe it, rather than just pretend to. It could be great fun otherwise.
I'm all for crazy religions, but they shouldn't get serious about it. Although, maybe they are all just pulling our collective leg. That'd be awesome, really.

Hmm, that gives me an idea.