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First it was melamine in the pet food (which we decided was okay to stick in pigs regardless), and now it's poisoned toothpaste (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/19/world/americas/19panama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) in Panama.
Diethylene glycol, a poisonous ingredient in some antifreeze, has been found in 6,000 tubes of toothpaste in Panama, and customs officials there said yesterday that the product appeared to have originated in China.

“Our preliminary information is that it came from China, but we don’t know that with certainty yet,” said Daniel Delgado Diamante, Panama’s director of customs. “We are still checking all the possible imports to see if there could be other shipments.”...

Diethylene glycol is the same poison that the Panamanian government inadvertently mixed into cold medicine last year, killing at least 100 people. Records show that in that episode the poison, falsely labeled as glycerin, a harmless syrup, also originated in China.

My thread title is hyperbolic, no question, but still, is this a trend consumers should be worried about?

YES!! We must stop the Chinese NOW...or later, whenever is good for you guys :D

Yes it's a trend consumers should worry about. In fact, it extends beyone melamine tainted feed and poisonous toothpaste. Catfish imported from Chinese catfish farms have been found to contain banned antibiotics. Until China cleans up it's act with regard to food safety, pollution, and the way it treats it's workers and citizens I think it's "most favored nation" trading status in the US should be suspended. Too bad our government cares more about Wal Mart's profits than the health and safety of Chinese and American people.

http://deltafarmpress.com/news/070510-chinese-catfish/

We must Invade Communist China Now in order to protect our Precious Bodily Fluids...

That is all.

Yes it's a trend consumers should worry about. In fact, it extends beyone melamine tainted feed and poisonous toothpaste. Catfish imported from Chinese catfish farms have been found to contain banned antibiotics. Until China cleans up it's act with regard to food safety, pollution, and the way it treats it's workers and citizens I think it's "most favored nation" trading status in the US should be suspended. Too bad our government cares more about Wal Mart's profits than the health and safety of Chinese and American people.

http://deltafarmpress.com/news/070510-chinese-catfish/

Hey, if you can find a better trading partner than China, then please be more than happy to tell us about it.

Hey, if you can find a better trading partner than China, then please be more than happy to tell us about it.

India?

Hey, if you can find a better trading partner than China, then please be more than happy to tell us about it.

What's so great about China? They produce shit cheap, right? Well it's not that cheap. Sure it's nice for a poor family to go into Wal Mart and buy a big pack of tube socks for less than three dollars, but if there was a factory making those tube socks in the US that employed the breadwinner of that poor family they could afford more than three dollar tube socks. What about the long term global impact of China's coal fired power plants? Not just global warming, but more mercury in my tuna. Yum. More acid rain damaging forests and farmland. That's going to increase health care costs and lower quality of life everywhere. Also considering that they support the genocida Sudanese government, violate the human rights of their own citizens, and violate international patent and trademark laws it can be argued that it's immoral to trade with them.

First it was melamine in the pet food (which we decided was okay to stick in pigs regardless), and now it's poisoned toothpaste (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/19/world/americas/19panama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) in Panama.


My thread title is hyperbolic, no question, but still, is this a trend consumers should be worried about?

Consumers should be worried. As should national governments. Steps to stop China should be taken now. According to Jack Bauer's dad on 24, China will surpass the US in every area in 10 years. We must be ready to stop them or communism will take over the globe.

First it was melamine in the pet food (which we decided was okay to stick in pigs regardless), and now it's poisoned toothpaste (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/19/world/americas/19panama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) in Panama.


My thread title is hyperbolic, no question, but still, is this a trend consumers should be worried about?

Someone should start up a "boycottchineseproducts.com" which'll spread the word about how China puts poison in tons of their products and sell it to the world that way people will stop buying from them. If China is going to try to poison the masses by putting poison in their products I think we should not only stop buying from them in order to stop people and pets from dying but to cripple their economy as punishment for trying to wage subtle chemical warefare on the rest of the world.

India?

I second that. India is a democratic, open society. They've got their problems right now, but it's nothing growth and development can't fix.

What's so great about China? They produce shit cheap, right? Well it's not that cheap. Sure it's nice for a poor family to go into Wal Mart and buy a big pack of tube socks for less than three dollars, but if there was a factory making those tube socks in the US that employed the breadwinner of that poor family they could afford more than three dollar tube socks. What about the long term global impact of China's coal fired power plants? Not just global warming, but more mercury in my tuna. Yum. More acid rain damaging forests and farmland. That's going to increase health care costs and lower quality of life everywhere. Also considering that they support the genocida Sudanese government, violate the human rights of their own citizens, and violate international patent and trademark laws it can be argued that it's immoral to trade with them.

Yea, but America loves the cheap crap that they produce. So, if you can actually convince America not to buy cheap produce (Good luck), then you'd pretty much destroy the trade between the US and China. Let's face it, when you're offering something by the boat load at rock bottom prices, people will always buy your stuff regardless of how it may affect the world.

As for me however, the only thing I go to Wal-Mart for is food, and I buy all my other stuff from other stores. It's more expensive yes, but it's also better quality.

antifreeze in cold medicine is genius!

you just have to wait until the public find it fashionable to fear Chinese products then the market will look after itself

China, in general, just don't get it. I just don't think they're philosophically sound. They've decided to go on the "suicidal capitalism" route.

Yea, but America loves the cheap crap that they produce. So, if you can actually convince America not to buy cheap produce (Good luck), then you'd pretty much destroy the trade between the US and China. Let's face it, when you're offering something by the boat load at rock bottom prices, people will always buy your stuff regardless of how it may affect the world.

As for me however, the only thing I go to Wal-Mart for is food, and I buy all my other stuff from other stores. It's more expensive yes, but it's also better quality.

You've convinced me. If the people want to buy it nobody has the right to stop them. I'm going out to buy me a case of hand grenades today. You know, for the fourth of July.

I second that. India is a democratic, open society. They've got their problems right now, but it's nothing growth and development can't fix.

ah but India like to protect its citizens :(

As for me however, the only thing I go to Wal-Mart for is food, and I buy all my other stuff from other stores. It's more expensive yes, but it's also better quality.

...so you buy your food from a shifty discount store but not your clothes :D

You've convinced me. If the people want to buy it nobody has the right to stop them. I'm going out to buy me a case of hand grenades today. You know, for the fourth of July.

*handcuffs DCD*

You're under arrest for conspiracy to commit crime of destruction of property, vandalism, and mass murder. You have the right to remain silence, anything you say will be used against you in the court of law, if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you, do you understand?

Yea, but America loves the cheap crap that they produce. So, if you can actually convince America not to buy cheap produce (Good luck), then you'd pretty much destroy the trade between the US and China. Let's face it, when you're offering something by the boat load at rock bottom prices, people will always buy your stuff regardless of how it may affect the world.

As for me however, the only thing I go to Wal-Mart for is food, and I buy all my other stuff from other stores. It's more expensive yes, but it's also better quality.

Go to Food Lion for the food (or another grocery store). Wal-Mart sucks.

And India is democratic and doesn't violate its people's rights, we should start trading with India. Sure, India has problems...so do we... so does every country...

We should start worrying about people's health rather than Wal-Mart's profits.

Consumers should be worried. As should national governments. Steps to stop China should be taken now. According to Jack Bauer's dad on 24, China will surpass the US in every area in 10 years. We must be ready to stop them or communism will take over the globe.

alright senator McCarthy calm down...Communism won't be spreading around the globe anytime soon

Yea, but America loves the cheap crap that they produce. So, if you can actually convince America not to buy cheap produce (Good luck), then you'd pretty much destroy the trade between the US and China. Let's face it, when you're offering something by the boat load at rock bottom prices, people will always buy your stuff regardless of how it may affect the world.

As for me however, the only thing I go to Wal-Mart for is food, and I buy all my other stuff from other stores. It's more expensive yes, but it's also better quality.

You buy FOOD that you EAT from WALMART!....do you not know what a grocery store is?

alright senator McCarthy calm down...Communism won't be spreading around the globe anytime soon

Yeah, but Jack Bauer's dad said so.

*handcuffs DCD*

You're under arrest for conspiracy to commit crime of destruction of property, vandalism, and mass murder. You have the right to remain silence, anything you say will be used against you in the court of law, if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you, do you understand?

Yeah, I know the drill. Been there done that. Seriously though, we ban people from conducting certain types of transactions becasue of the harm to society that would result. That's why it's not legal to buy a laptop computer that "fell of a truck" for $200. Because buying stolen merchandise promotes theft. Buying Chinese merchandise promotes genocide, mass poisonings, degradation of the environment, torture, and oppression. In my mind that's significantly worse than buying a hot computer, but right now it's legal.

Consumers should be worried. As should national governments. Steps to stop China should be taken now. According to Jack Bauer's dad on 24, China will surpass the US in every area in 10 years. We must be ready to stop them or communism will take over the globe.

I find it hard to believe China will have better living standards than the US in ten years... or ever.

China, in general, just don't get it. I just don't think they're philosophically sound. They've decided to go on the "suicidal capitalism" route.

When they have a nation name that means centre of the earth, how likely do you think the government is to care about what others think/want?

And whoever said India, I agree.

When they have a nation name that means centre of the earth, how likely do you think they are to care about what others think/want?

And whoever said India, I agree.

It's not us who'll suffer when their economy crashes into a wall. Well, we will a bit, but THEY'RE the one's who'll crumble and collapse. Hence, "suicidal".

It's not us who'll suffer when their economy crashes into a wall. Well, we will a bit, but THEY'RE the one's who'll crumble and collapse. Hence, "suicidal".

No, but we'll still feel the affects, unfortunately. This is why I agree with whoever said India.

Frankly, the less we can rely on China, the better. I mean, I don't know why the people don't get fed up with it. The irony of the situation is great. A lot of the eastern religions put a lot of focus on nature, yet when I was in Beijing and Xi'an, I couldn't see the sky because the smog was so rediculously thick.

There's also the MSG in Chinese food...

This is just a small part of the Greater Chinese World Conquest Conspiracy.

It started with Mao. He wanted to control the world but knew it took time. The first thing they needed was to increase the population, but implemented population control so no one suspected their true motives. Now that they had a big army they could take over the world, however they hadn't counted on India to grow so big so they turned some of that army into an extensive labour force that focused on consumer goods that would be wanted, sold for cheap but easily contaminated. They needed to weaken the defences of the world first...

:p

With all due respect, the Chinese make pretty much everything anyway. If a commercially available product happens to be accidentally poisonous, the chances are that it will originate from China simply due to the statistical distribution of sources.

This is just a small part of the Greater Chinese World Conquest Conspiracy.

It started with Mao. He wanted to control the world but knew it took time. The first thing they needed was to increase the population, but implemented population control so no one suspected their true motives. Now that they had a big army they could take over the world, however they hadn't counted on India to grow so big so they turned some of that army into an extensive labour force that focused on consumer goods that would be wanted, sold for cheap but easily contaminated. They needed to weaken the defences of the world first...

:p

How do we know, you're not an Agent of Comrade Mao?

What if you and other posters here are to convince us that we have nothing to fear? What are you hiding from us Kryozerkia?
What has Mao been planning?

You've got alot of explaining to do, you and your socialist minions are here to disrupt the Global economy and take over!

Is posting on a quasi-popular internet forum part of your plan in disrupting our series of tubes...I will remain suspicious of you.

In my mind that's significantly worse than buying a hot computer, but right now it's legal.


What if that hot computer is made in China?



Anyways, Has anyone here been to China? Been there twice and can tell you its much worse then you all can come up with on here. The environment on mainland China would kill an American/European environmentalist immediately. Seriously they have some major problems there and the US should throw up some trade barriers to reduce trade with the Chinese.

This is just a small part of the Greater Chinese World Conquest Conspiracy.

It started with Mao. He wanted to control the world but knew it took time. The first thing they needed was to increase the population, but implemented population control so no one suspected their true motives. Now that they had a big army they could take over the world, however they hadn't counted on India to grow so big so they turned some of that army into an extensive labour force that focused on consumer goods that would be wanted, sold for cheap but easily contaminated. They needed to weaken the defences of the world first...

:p

THE FIENDS!! we must stop them!!

What's so great about China? They produce shit cheap, right? Well it's not that cheap. Sure it's nice for a poor family to go into Wal Mart and buy a big pack of tube socks for less than three dollars, but if there was a factory making those tube socks in the US that employed the breadwinner of that poor family they could afford more than three dollar tube socks. What about the long term global impact of China's coal fired power plants? Not just global warming, but more mercury in my tuna. Yum. More acid rain damaging forests and farmland. That's going to increase health care costs and lower quality of life everywhere. Also considering that they support the genocida Sudanese government, violate the human rights of their own citizens, and violate international patent and trademark laws it can be argued that it's immoral to trade with them.

As always, I'm shocked to have to agree with you.

As always, I'm shocked to have to agree with you.

Yeah, sometimes I make sense. I'm funny like that.

I think the problem is, the Chinese are rushing ahead, technologically speaking, in areas where they are just not ready. For example, an engineering professor of mine told me he went to China on a buisness trip, a couple years ago. While he was there, in some of their factories, he noticed, they have the latest, state of the art, equipment. But they don't know how to use it! And since they're a proud bunch, they generally won't ask for help. So they make poision when they're trying to make toothpaste.

Yeah, sometimes I make sense. I'm funny like that.

Well whatever you're smoking today, keep it up!

Well whatever you're smoking today, keep it up!

I'm just hung over and sleep deprived. I guess I should stay up late drinking myself into a stupor more often.

They're not trying to poison the world; that implies conscious direction behind the process. Instead, they're trying to grow their economy at unsustainable rate and are pretty much destroying everything they come in contact with as a result. They are a perfect model of how not to develop yourself; it's pretty much the same as the Soviet Union, except done by capitalist investors rather than the state. However, the abuses and utter lack of concern or regulation are the same.

There's a reason why China's an industrial wasteland and India isn't...one is a corrupt, quasi-fascist regime that drives breakneck growth at all costs and the other is a well-established multiparty democracy that supports strong but sustainable growth and environmental regulation.

They're not trying to poison the world; that implies conscious direction behind the process. Instead, they're trying to grow their economy at unsustainable rate and are pretty much destroying everything they come in contact with as a result. They are a perfect model of how not to develop yourself; it's pretty much the same as the Soviet Union, except done by capitalist investors rather than the state. However, the abuses and utter lack of concern or regulation are the same.

There's a reason why China's an industrial wasteland and India isn't...one is a corrupt, quasi-fascist regime that drives breakneck growth at all costs and the other is a well-established multiparty democracy that supports strong but sustainable growth and environmental regulation.

China's even fucking up India's ecology. India's tigers are being poached to supply wealthy Chinese with tiger dick soup. It's supposed to be a sexual enhancer. I guess buying a viagra is too much effort.

There's a reason why China's an industrial wasteland and India isn't...one is a corrupt, quasi-fascist regime that drives breakneck growth at all costs and the other is a well-established multiparty democracy that supports strong but sustainable growth and environmental regulation.

India is making huge progress, as well as showing alot of potential in becoming one of the world's leading nations. I'd suggest though, closing some of those rat temples.

http://www.wolfstad.com/wp-content/2006/karnimata/lotsa-rats-at-bowl-only.jpg

See no, that's a bad India bad bad. Rat's should be jabbed at with sticks, not fed milk!

India is making huge progress, as well as showing alot of potential in becoming one of the world's leading nations. I'd suggest though, closing some of those rat temples.

http://www.wolfstad.com/wp-content/2006/karnimata/lotsa-rats-at-bowl-only.jpg

See no, that's a bad India bad bad. Rat's should be jabbed at with sticks, not fed milk!

Rats are smart and interesting animals.

China's even fucking up India's ecology. India's tigers are being poached to supply wealthy Chinese with tiger dick soup. It's supposed to be a sexual enhancer. I guess buying a viagra is too much effort.

China's culture is out of control with greed. It's as simple as that, and they're going to suffer badly because of it.

In addition, in China, most of the pharmaceuticals are knockoffs so they probably couldn't get a good prescription for the stuff if they wanted to. If you do buy the fake "viagra", there's a pretty high chance it will end up either poisoning you because of contamination or simply do nothing.

Rats are smart and interesting animals.

Indeed. So smart they've tricked the good people of India into believing if they walk in rat feces they will have good fortune.

India is making huge progress, as well as showing alot of potential in becoming one of the world's leading nations. I'd suggest though, closing some of those rat temples.

See no, that's a bad India bad bad. Rat's should be jabbed at with sticks, not fed milk!

Why?

If those people who run the temple think that all life is sacred and feed them milk, who are we to judge that it is a "bad" thing to do because we see rats as something to avoid/kill.

Besides rat is the vehicle of Ganesh. So don't do blasphemy. :mad:

:p

Added later: Actually mouse is Ganesh's vehicle. Not rat. Can't say what those in the picture are.

First it was melamine in the pet food (which we decided was okay to stick in pigs regardless), and now it's poisoned toothpaste (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/19/world/americas/19panama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) in Panama.


My thread title is hyperbolic, no question, but still, is this a trend consumers should be worried about?

Mmmm...perhaps if it comes from China it shouldn't go into my mouth or the mouth of my cats.

Rats are VERY clean creatures.

Rats are VERY clean creatures.

I remember reading something about sewer rats and plague..

I remember reading something about sewer rats and plague..

If, of course, they are carriers of the disease or are infested with fleas that carry it. I imagine these rats are pretty well taken care of and don't pose that much of a risk, probably no more so than any other animals kept by humans.

The rats that do pose a risk would be the ones that live in actual sewers...

Rats are VERY clean creatures.

OK, so who is going to export canned rat meat for human consumption first? :eek:

Very yes. You can never trust a large dictatorship, communist or not.

OK, so who is going to export canned rat meat for human consumption first? :eek:

Beef and pork are known to taste good. Therefore we eat them. Rats are know to taste bad. Therefore, we don't eat them.

As for China, If it weren't for North Korea, China would be the representative for everything wrong with Communism. We need to stop buying Chinese and start buying Indian and Japanese and American and European and whatnot. More expensive, but better quality.