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So there will be a starcraft 2 in my lifetime after all.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/788/788627p1.html
All I have to say is that its about time.

So there will be a starcraft 2 in my lifetime after all.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/788/788627p1.html
All I have to say is that its about time.

OMG AMAZING OMG AT LAST OMG OMG ROTFLMAO OMG LOLOL OMG BRB OMG TTYL OMG RTFM OMG IJCAOMKB!!!!!!!!!111111111

*zerg rushes the thread*

Your poll fails. It doesn't go beyond 2056, when the game in reality is scheduled for release :)



"I've got your Zerg right here, he he he.."

In typical Blizzard fashion, they'll say a release date and at least be a year and a half off like with Diablo II, or ten months as like World of Warcraft. Although this time, they now have no excuse pulling in about -roughly- 52 billion dollars a month from that game alone. It's probably more, but I was basing it on 4 million players. Seeing as I haven't seen an actual count...

See, the problem with Blizzard is that they actually only have two things: two franchises which are blatant ripoffs of Warhammer, and one franchise with a concept so complex my two year old cousin could think it up.

It looks shit. Sorry, but it does.

I really like the cross between Starship Troopers, Aliens, Warhammer 40K, and Redneck Rampage :p

As long as that don't change, I'll be happy :)

It looks shit. Sorry, but it does.

You're right, it does look shit. DoW and CoH shit on those graphics.

It looks shit. Sorry, but it does.

You’re right, it does look shit. DoW and CoH shit on those graphics.
Graphics a good game does not make.

The development of the 3D graphics engine was one of the most over-hyped gaming technological advances. Who cares if your breath is taken away every time you look at the screen; a shit game with amazing graphics is still a shit game.

Far too many gamers IMO are obsessed with graphics, and not interested in gameplay.

Graphics a good game does not make.

The development of the 3D graphics engine was one of the most over-hyped gaming technological advances. Who cares if your breath is taken away every time you look at the screen; a shit game with amazing graphics is still a shit game.

Far too many gamers IMO are obsessed with graphics, and not interested in gameplay.

Except that CoH is generally considered one of the best RTS ever made. It doesn't just look better, I can guarantee that it will play better.

Just looking at those screens, I can tell you that SC2 has last-gen gameplay. I can't see any of those buildings being blown to smithereens by artillery fire.

Except that CoH is generally considered one of the best RTS ever made. It doesn't just look better, I can guarantee that it will play better.

Just looking at those screens, I can tell you that SC2 has last-gen gameplay. I can't see any of those buildings being blown to smithereens by artillery fire.

IMS putting too much processor power into having pretty graphics means there won't be much left for AI. Perhaps that's what blizzard is going for with SC2.

IMS putting too much processor power into having pretty graphics means there won't be much left for AI. Perhaps that's what blizzard is going for with SC2.

Relic did it, why can't Blizzard? No excuses for sloppiness, when CoH is a year old and DoW2 is on the way.

Relic did it, why can't Blizzard? No excuses for sloppiness, when CoH is a year old and DoW2 is on the way.

The AI in CoH is terrible. Also, SC2 is still early in development. I'm sure it will look better on release (I think it looks great right now, imo).

To illustrate my point, below is an early alpha screenshot from Starcraft 1.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9596/1179559926946fw4.jpg

Except that CoH is generally considered one of the best RTS ever made. It doesn’t just look better, I can guarantee that it will play better.
I’m a tad confused...

I took CoH to refer to City of Heroes, which is an MMORPG, not an RTS.

Or is there some acronym confusion going on here?

Just looking at those screens, I can tell you that SC2 has last-gen gameplay. I can’t see any of those buildings being blown to smithereens by artillery fire.
Unless I’m mistaken, buildings exploding, at least the instant of their destruction, not the process of destroying them isn’t gameplay, that’s graphics. Same concept as the buildings being destroyed in Red Alert or earlier, just with sooped up graphics.

Which is the death-knell of the games industry if it isn’t careful. The PS3 and 360 are nothing more than updates of older models with better graphics capabilities, with most of their games updates of older games with better graphics.

The AI in CoH is terrible.

Yeah, sure. Infantry going behind walls and fences for defence, and choosing which windows and doors to fire out of, it terrible AI. You haven't even played it, have you?

Also, SC2 is still early in development. I'm sure it will look better on release (I think it looks great right now, imo).

It's been stated that development is "very far along".

I’m a tad confused...

I took CoH to refer to City of Heroes, which is an MMORPG, not an RTS.

Or is there some acronym confusion going on here?

CoH = Company of Heroes.

Unless I’m mistaken, buildings exploding, at least the instant of their destruction, not the process of destroying them isn’t gameplay, that’s graphics. Same concept as the buildings being destroyed in Red Alert or earlier, just with sooped up graphics.

My friend, buildings don't just "explode" anymore. They gradually shatter, giving less and less defence to their garrisoned troops. Parts break off when artillery shells hit. Where have you been?

Yeah, sure. Infantry going behind walls and fences for defence, and choosing which windows and doors to fire out of, it terrible AI. You haven't even played it, have you?
Not to mention those hilarious multiple tank traffic jams, AT crews who will fire at infantry before a vehicle, Stormtroopers refusing to hold fire, etc. Maybe some of those issues have been fixed in the latest patch, but the AI in CoH was terrible when the game came out. The only way to keep your idiotic squads from killing themselves is by lots of micromanagement.

It's been stated that development is "very far along".
Thats Blizzard talking out their ass. They come out and say a project is far along and then set a release date, then we have to wait a year while they continue working on a game that was supposedly almost done. And its not in beta, which means its presumably in alpha still.

Thats Blizzard talking out their ass. They come out and say a project is far along and then set a release date, then we have to wait a year while they continue working on a game that was supposedly almost done. And its not in beta, which means its presumably in alpha still.

When a game is in alpha, it's really not that different from the final game, usually. I played the Doom 3 alpha.

Not to mention those hilarious multiple tank traffic jams, AT crews who will fire at infantry before a vehicle, Stormtroopers refusing to hold fire, etc. Maybe some of those issues have been fixed in the latest patch, but the AI in CoH was terrible when the game came out. The only way to keep your idiotic squads from killing themselves is by lots of micromanagement.

What game were you playing? It was all flawless for me. Maybe you just suck as a commander.

When a game is in alpha, it's really not that different from the final game, usually. I played the Doom 3 alpha.

.... Surely you're joking? And if you refer to the leaked Doom 3 alpha then that was very, very different from the final game.

What game were you playing? It was all flawless for me. Maybe you just suck as a commander.

Go read the Relic forums. You'll find plenty of posts describing those problems (and more).

.... Surely you're joking? And if you refer to the leaked Doom 3 alpha then that was very, very different from the final game.

No, no, it really wasn't. Apart from the levels, some of the pathing and the optimisation, much of it was there. Enemies were the same, weapons were the same, textures were the same, the main character was the same...

Go read the Relic forums. You'll find plenty of posts describing those problems (and more).

Nevertheless, a game on the level of CoH is expected the have issues, most games that are on a higher level.

Meh.
Total Annihilation was ages beyond Starcraft, and it was released a year before Blizzard pumped out their Warhammer 40k ripoff.
Hell, TA is still (in my mind) one of the best strategy games out there.

My bets on Supreme Commander outclassing Starcraft II in every way. Including graphics.

From the looks of it, we're getting Starcraft Mk.II, with a fresh coat of paint and a few new units.

Wake me the day Blizzard actually does something innovative.

You're right, it does look shit. DoW and CoH shit on those graphics.
Somebodies a fan boy.

Anyway, I'm surprised! No hybrids? Then what the hell was that secret mission? I WANT HYBRIDS!!

<< Has lost probably a month's worth of time playing the original starcraft.

Starcraft 2!!! I am so buying it. :D

I can say only one thing...

"GOLAITH ONLINE!!!"

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

*is happy*

Somebodies a fan boy.

Anyway, I'm surprised! No hybrids? Then what the hell was that secret mission? I WANT HYBRIDS!!

<< Has lost probably a month's worth of time playing the original starcraft.

rumor has it that's the 4th race.

Somebodies a fan boy.

From the looks of it, we're getting Starcraft Mk.II, with a fresh coat of paint and a few new units.

Wake me the day Blizzard actually does something innovative.

StarCraft, and Blizzard in general, get WAY too much credit.

StarCraft, and Blizzard in general, get WAY too much credit.

I've played most of their games. WCI, WCIII, D1, D2, SC, Broodwars, that viking game for Sega Genisus. I love Blizzard. All of the games I've played for them have been alot of fun. I would play WoW, but my connection can't support it. More then that though, I've become addicted to Guild Wars and the people I've met through it.

But all in all, I like Blizzard. I give them 2 thumbs up. Go Blizzard go!

StarCraft, and Blizzard in general, get WAY too much credit.

Theyre like the Bungie of the PC.
In before HOMG HALO.

Theyre like the Bungie of the PC.
In before HOMG HALO.

Yeah... except that Bungie get credit for Halo being a console FPS. A good console FPS is a big ask. But PC RTSs are a dime a dozen.

Blizzard is a really good company.. it's just fashionable to dump on the big guy.

I, for one, can't wait for SCII. I was never really good at Starcraft, but I enjoyed playing it immensely. The graphics in SCII, incidentally, aren't hyper-realistic, but they emphasize the style that the original had, which is fine by me.

Yeah... except that Bungie get credit for Halo being a console FPS. A good console FPS is a big ask. But PC RTSs are a dime a dozen.

Granted. But many, myself included, consider Starcraft to be a diamond in the rough, superb in terms of gameplay, graphics (for the time), and storytelling. It remains, to this day, one of my favorite games of all time.

Of course...I'm interested to see if they can recreate that winning formula with SCII.

And while Halo, being one of the few great FPS' on a console, it can be argued that it really is just an FPS. You port it onto PC, and its like any other FPS out there (yeah this argument ignores the fact that Halo introduced the oft copied rebounding health meter...but...y'know).

Nope...not a fanboy of either. I love the Halo series for all the same reasons I love starcraft, and I look forward to Halo 3 as much as I do SCII.

If there's one thing I've learned from my gaming life over the last twenty years or so, it's to never try and guess a release date. 'Cause let's face it, as any Duke Nukem Fornever fans will be happy to tell you, they're not reliable even when they have been announced...

Let's see. 2056 for the release of SC2...that means the Mac version will be out juuuust before the sun explodes.

Let's see. 2056 for the release of SC2...that means the Mac version will be out juuuust before the sun explodes.

That's the spirit! Think positively and all will be well!

Besides, it's still gonna be the same Korean kid who has freakishly quick multitasking abilities and wipes the floor with everyone.

Besides, it's still gonna be the same Korean kid who has freakishly quick multitasking abilities and wipes the floor with everyone.

Not if the sun has exploded by the time you get your hands on it...

If there's one thing I've learned from my gaming life over the last twenty years or so, it's to never try and guess a release date. 'Cause let's face it, as any Duke Nukem Fornever fans will be happy to tell you, they're not reliable even when they have been announced...

I'm a bit more confident. Apparently, SCII has been in development (albiet TOP SECRET) since 2003, after they finished Frozen Throne. And from the gameplay I've seen, they're already well under way.

And we're not talking about Duke Nukem Forever here (it's release will be the first sign of the Apocalypse), we're talking about Blizzard, who has been a WEEEEEE bit more reliable.

While I'm worried that my computer will be out of date by the time it comes out, I want Blizzard to take their time with SCII (to a reasonable degree). Starcraft fans have been waiting for 9 years...and I for one want it to be as near to perfect as possible.

I'm a bit more confident. Apparently, SCII has been in development (albiet TOP SECRET) since 2003, after they finished Frozen Throne. And from the gameplay I've seen, they're already well under way.

And we're not talking about Duke Nukem Forever here (it's release will be the first sign of the Apocalypse), we're talking about Blizzard, who has been a WEEEEEE bit more reliable.

While I'm worried that my computer will be out of date by the time it comes out, I want Blizzard to take their time with SCII (to a reasonable degree). Starcraft fans have been waiting for 9 years...and I for one want it to be as near to perfect as possible.

Anything can happen though. Someone leaking the entire source code onto the internet, the entire dev team being mysteriously abducted by a particularly enthusiastic fan, tornado...

Another thing I learned though was not to get your hopes up too much. Because that's just asking to be beaten down by the bitter rod of disappointment! I don't know about you, but it's happened to me far too often in the past.

Anything can happen though. Someone leaking the entire source code onto the internet, the entire dev team being mysteriously abducted by a particularly enthusiastic fan, tornado...

Another thing I learned though was not to get your hopes up too much. Because that's just asking to be beaten down by the bitter rod of disappointment! I don't know about you, but it's happened to me far too often in the past.

I understand.

Something may happen, and I remember all to well about Starcraft Ghost (Rest in peace, you lazy bastards). I prefer to simply be confident when it comes to my games.

Granted. But many, myself included, consider Starcraft to be a diamond in the rough, superb in terms of gameplay, graphics (for the time), and storytelling. It remains, to this day, one of my favorite games of all time.

Of course...I'm interested to see if they can recreate that winning formula with SCII.

I still don't see what everyone sees in StarCraft. It's really nothing special. There's nothing WRONG with it, but it's nothing special.

Now, Red Alert, there's an RTS you can set your watch by.

Anything can happen though. Someone leaking the entire source code onto the internet, the entire dev team being mysteriously abducted by a particularly enthusiastic fan, tornado...

Another thing I learned though was not to get your hopes up too much. Because that's just asking to be beaten down by the bitter rod of disappointment! I don't know about you, but it's happened to me far too often in the past.

Black and White 2, much?

Granted. But many, myself included, consider Starcraft to be a diamond in the rough, superb in terms of gameplay, graphics (for the time), and storytelling. It remains, to this day, one of my favorite games of all time.

Of course...I'm interested to see if they can recreate that winning formula with SCII.

And while Halo, being one of the few great FPS' on a console, it can be argued that it really is just an FPS. You port it onto PC, and its like any other FPS out there (yeah this argument ignores the fact that Halo introduced the oft copied rebounding health meter...but...y'know).

Nope...not a fanboy of either. I love the Halo series for all the same reasons I love starcraft, and I look forward to Halo 3 as much as I do SCII.

Because Blizzard are such good storytellers that they had the exact same plotline with Sylvanas as with Kerrigan and then relegated all of their universes most fearsome and beloved characters to get raped by 40 anonymous "heroes"? :P

Both WC and SC, are poor Warhammer and 40k ripoffs, and a DoW sequal and Warhammer Online will blow both of 'em out of the water.

Both WC and SC, are poor Warhammer and 40k ripoffs, and a DoW sequal and Warhammer Online will blow both of 'em out of the water.

Amen. Warhammer 40000 Online is also in dev, so we beat them to that too.

Amen. Warhammer 40000 Online is also in dev, so we beat them to that too.

Only problem I see with that is the "Jedi" problem from SW:G, everyones gonna want to be a Space Marine or an Inquisitor, when really theres not that many of 'em tooling around :P

Warp > Twisting Nether, any day :P

Only problem I see with that is the "Jedi" problem from SW:G, everyones gonna want to be a Space Marine or an Inquisitor, when really theres not that many of 'em tooling around :P

Warp > Twisting Nether, any day :P

Hmm... people will all play Space Marines, Chaos should get a healthy following too.

Actually, everybody but Eldar :D

Hmm... people will all play Space Marines, Chaos should get a healthy following too.

Actually, everybody but Eldar :D

Which will fit rather well. The mockery that is SC is cemented now that the Protoss are a desperate and dying race, split along light and dark ideological lines. It's all so....Bleh. DoW2 with Nids would pwn any effort at SC2. Let us only hope that that is delivered :D

Black and White 2, much?

B&W2 was horribly disappointing. Sure, the cow creature was cute, but the rest... well, bitter rod on the head indeed. But I've said the same about most of the sequels released in recent years. Oblivion was the most recent disappointment (I was really hyped up about that one), along with NWN2, HL2, SiN:Episodes, Max Payne 2, KotOR2... I really should follow my own advice, but it's easier said than done.

I still don't see what everyone sees in StarCraft. It's really nothing special. There's nothing WRONG with it, but it's nothing special.

Now, Red Alert, there's an RTS you can set your watch by.

Funny, I think the exact opposite. :D

Great gameplay, great graphics, fun to play...but the Fullmotion Video and acting made me want to tear my eyes out.

In RTS', as in all things, it all comes down to individual taste.

Because Blizzard are such good storytellers that they had the exact same plotline with Sylvanas as with Kerrigan and then relegated all of their universes most fearsome and beloved characters to get raped by 40 anonymous "heroes"? :P

Both WC and SC, are poor Warhammer and 40k ripoffs, and a DoW sequal and Warhammer Online will blow both of 'em out of the water.

Well, I like Warhammer. I haven't played a more enjoyable RTS in recent memory.

And we can argue that "suchawhat stole from thisorthat's game" 'till the cows come home.















Seriously...is it a crime to like Command & Conquer, Warhammer and Starcraft all at the same time?

Only problem I see with that is the "Jedi" problem from SW:G, everyones gonna want to be a Space Marine or an Inquisitor, when really theres not that many of 'em tooling around :P

Warp > Twisting Nether, any day :P

For the Greater Good, bitches.

B&W2 was horribly disappointing. Sure, the cow creature was cute, but the rest... well, bitter rod on the head indeed. But I've said the same about most of the sequels released in recent years. Oblivion was the most recent disappointment (I was really hyped up about that one), along with NWN2, HL2, SiN:Episodes, Max Payne 2, KotOR2... I really should follow my own advice, but it's easier said than done.

I personally think of B&W2 as 'Sim City: God Edition.' Thats basically all it is, really. I sold it to Bookmans for $15.
I mean...really..."Oh yes, its got fewer miracles, creatures and civilizations, but its actually BETTER, you see, because...ummm...OH LOOK FUR ON THE CREATURES."

And we can argue that "suchawhat stole from thisorthat's game" 'till the cows come home.

I believe WarCraft was originally a Warhammer game.

Seriously...is it a crime to like Command & Conquer, Warhammer and Starcraft all at the same time?

Of course not. Unless you're one of those types who swing their dicks and call StarCraft the greatest game ever made.

First and foremost: when asking about when a highly anticipated game will get a demo/go gold, the answer is "two weeks". Always "two weeks". :D

Second: SCII? If they add another race, some new units, and a new storyline, it should do pretty well... though if they want it to have guaranteed staying power, Blizzard will put an analogue to WCIII's Heroes somewhere in the new StarEdit... *glances at DotA and how it's keeping WCIII alive, then notes that DotA and an entire genre of similar games were inspired by Aeon of Strife for the original StarCraft...*

Third: Black and White II? Atari got its hands on that game. 'Nuff said.

Which will fit rather well. The mockery that is SC is cemented now that the Protoss are a desperate and dying race, split along light and dark ideological lines. It's all so....Bleh. DoW2 with Nids would pwn any effort at SC2. Let us only hope that that is delivered :D

Ahh, the 'nids. You know, the Zerg are just like the 'nids, except they're smaller, dumber, and weaker.

So, what are the Protoss? The light Protoss sound like Tau, and the dark Protoss sound like Chaos. Boy, nine years of brainstorming, and the end result is "Hey, let's rip off Warhammer again".

*ba-dum-dum-pish!*

I love this, though:

The game will include three completely distinct and balanced races, the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg, which have been overhauled and re-imagined with a number of new units for each, as well as new tricks for some of the classic units that are returning.

A number of new units? A number of new units?

Mate, a number of new units is an EXPANSION. When I get a sequel, I expect it to be... NEW.

I love this, though:



A number of new units? A number of new units?

Mate, a number of new units is an EXPANSION. When I get a sequel, I expect it to be... NEW.

Wait. No new race? :(

So, now we get to speculate on the existence of an unlockable race... or a secret, unannounced race...

Ahh, the 'nids. You know, the Zerg are just like the 'nids, except they're smaller, dumber, and weaker.

So, what are the Protoss? The light Protoss sound like Tau, and the dark Protoss sound like Chaos. Boy, nine years of brainstorming, and the end result is "Hey, let's rip off Warhammer again".

*ba-dum-dum-pish!*

The Protoss are more like the Eldar, what with their reincarnated warriors in semi-living robots.magically-based society and so forth. They do kinda LOOK like the Tau...

And you forgot the Terrans.
"Oh, lets combine the Space Marines with stereotypical southern hics! AWESOME."

I love this, though:

A number of new units? A number of new units?

Mate, a number of new units is an EXPANSION. When I get a sequel, I expect it to be... NEW.

Indeed. In b4 Brood Wars II.

I love this, though:



A number of new units? A number of new units?

Mate, a number of new units is an EXPANSION. When I get a sequel, I expect it to be... NEW.

It's just been announced, man...I'm pretty sure they're leaving something out.

It's just been announced, man...I'm pretty sure they're leaving something out.

Hoth and Omaha Beach, probobly.

B&W2 was horribly disappointing. Sure, the cow creature was cute, but the rest... well, bitter rod on the head indeed. But I've said the same about most of the sequels released in recent years. Oblivion was the most recent disappointment (I was really hyped up about that one), along with NWN2, HL2, SiN:Episodes, Max Payne 2, KotOR2... I really should follow my own advice, but it's easier said than done.

You were dissapointed with Oblivion? Is there something wrong with you?

Hoth and Omaha Beach, probobly.

I can't wait dude, it's going to be off the motherfucking chain.

Wait. No new race? :(

So, now we get to speculate on the existence of an unlockable race... or a secret, unannounced race...

Just one race? Mate, in DoW, there were four, and then seven after expansions. After expansions! In CoH, a game where there isn't much room for new sides, they're introducing TWO.

Relic have made a hell of a benchmark for RTSs. I can't see Blizzard meeting it. All the review will say it's the best game ever, but they won't meet that standard.

Hoth and Omaha Beach, probobly.

*ba-dum-dum-pish!*

And the Battle of Endor. Don't forget Endor!

I can't wait dude, it's going to be off the motherfucking chain.

No kidding. I'll show those Elda-...Protoss bastards what a bo-...gauss gun can do.

You were dissapointed with Oblivion? Is there something wrong with you?

There are many things wrong with me. None of them are relevant to Oblivion though. This isn't the thread for it though.

Just one race? Mate, in DoW, there were four, and then seven after expansions. After expansions! In CoH, a game where there isn't much room for new sides, they're introducing TWO.

Relic have made a hell of a benchmark for RTSs. I can't see Blizzard meeting it. All the review will say it's the best game ever, but they won't meet that standard.

A wise man once said: "Count not thy chickens before they hatch(eth)." Another wise man, from Queens, also said "When thou'st assumeth, thou maketh an ass of thou and I...Er..."

What I'm trying to say is...never EVER judge a game before you've played it.*

*Certain exceptions apply

No kidding. I'll show those Elda-...Protoss bastards what a bo-...gauss gun can do.

That's hilarious because even bo-... gauss guns are in W40k. Necrons, anyone?

A wise man once said: "Count not thy chickens before they hatch(eth)." Another wise man, from Queens, also said "When thou'st assumeth, thou maketh an ass of thou and I...Er..."

What I'm trying to say is...never EVER judge a game before you've played it.*

*Certain exceptions apply

Unless the game has five sides and a new engine before it's released...

If it's just a rehash, no thanks.

If it's actually an entirely new engine built from the ground up, I'll check it out. But that doesn't mean it's going to be good.

If it's just a rehash, no thanks.

If it's actually an entirely new engine built from the ground up, I'll check it out. But that doesn't mean it's going to be good.

It's a new engine, AFAIK. But it doesn't look like anything special.

Shoulda bought Relic's engine.

Unless the game has five sides and a new engine before it's released...

Still, something may go terribly wrong...

...Like casting Gary Coleman as a character.

Black and White 2, much?

AHHHH!!!. I loved Black and White with a passion. I was the biggest lionhead fanboy alive. I anticipated Black and White 2 like the coming of the Messiah. I believed every word Peter Monyleux spit out of his ass. I bough tit the day it came out. My computer needed a new graphics card to run it. I went, bought one, installed it, and started playing. It sucked. That may have been the most traumatic experience of my life.

More on topic, I hated Starcraft because I could only select 8 units at a time. Give me DOW: DC, Supreme Commander, or Red Alert 2 anyday.

That's hilarious because even bo-... gauss guns are in W40k. Necrons, anyone?

Different kind of gauss guns. I'll give Blizzard that, at least. They havent ripped off the Necrons...yet.
Im willing to be their 'new' race'll be something like the 'TOMB LORDS FROM SPACE' though.
Oh wait...that would be a direct ripoff of the Tomb Lords from Warhammer.
Better just call them the Necrolords.

Different kind of gauss guns. I'll give Blizzard that, at least. They havent ripped off the Necrons...yet.
Im willing to be their 'new' race'll be something like the 'TOMB LORDS FROM SPACE' though.
Oh wait...that would be a direct ripoff of the Tomb Lords from Warhammer.
Better just call them the Necrolords.

How is it different? Never play StarCraft long enough to know this stuff. I know that Necrons have green-energy-sorta gauss guns.

If I remember correctly from my time on the Games Workshop boards (before they decided to close them all down), Starcraft originally was supposed to be a 40K RTS but the deal got screwed up and rather than scrap the project, Blizzard just tweaked what they had and released it as Starcraft. Warcraft originally being a Warhammer RTS wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Call me when they redo Missionforce: Cyberstorm, then I might be interested. Starcraft was good, but not good enough for me to lose my head over a sequel.

How is it different? Never play StarCraft long enough to know this stuff. I know that Necrons have green-energy-sorta gauss guns.

The Terrans gauss guns are basically the same as Space Marine bolters, only theyre powered by magnetic energy. Basically it uses a coil dealy to pull/push the slug forward instead of gunpowder. Not sure why their guns have a muzzle flash though.
Necron 'Gauss' guns arent really gauss guns. Games Workshop just needed a high-tech sounding name for their green-lighting shooters.

Necron 'Gauss' guns arent really gauss guns. Games Workshop just needed a high-tech sounding name for their green-lighting shooters.

From what I remember from the Necron gauss gun description, I'd have called them "Atomic Flayers"

'Course, I was a Space Wolf player at the time and this was when Necrons first came out (which, believe it or not, was before 3rd edition), so I may be wrong.

Damn, this is bitter sweet news to me.

I've been playing Starcraft for 9 years now. You read that correctly, I've been playing the game since I was 8, and I've never stopped loving it.

Starcraft is a timeless classic, and it always will be. There will never be an RTS that will ever be able to compare to it. Ever. (With the exception of Yuri's revenge of course)

Obviously, all new RTS games have this shitty ass rock-paper-scissors balancing, while the good old games such as Starcraft, C&C, and TA are essentially just giant algebra equations. You know something like, "I have 100 guys that deal three damage each, how will that compare to 50 guys dealing 3 damage?" But,those games just don't exist any more. They don't. It's more of a, "Well my Anti tank men can take out his tanks, while his tanks kill my infantry, so my infantry will have to..." Which makes the game shitty.

I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die.

Anyway, just last night I actually assumed that there would never be a second Starcraft game, and I was happy with that because the sequal just won't be as good. Come on, Halo 2 anyone? The first one was better and you know it.

Well it seems Starcraft 2 is a reality, unlike Ghost which looked totally awesome you Blizzard Bastards *shakes fist*, but I was really hoping they would stick with the Starcraft 2D graphics, and work from there. So essentially, just make another Starcraft but with new units and what not, not something that resembles Warcraft 3.

Regardless, the game probably won't come out for a good billion years, so I'm not going to worry about it. :p

The Terrans gauss guns are basically the same as Space Marine bolters, only theyre powered by magnetic energy. Basically it uses a coil dealy to pull/push the slug forward instead of gunpowder. Not sure why their guns have a muzzle flash though.
Necron 'Gauss' guns arent really gauss guns. Games Workshop just needed a high-tech sounding name for their green-lighting shooters.

Ahh. So when Blizzard isn't ripping off Warhammer, they're ripping off real life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_gun) :D

From what I remember from the Necron gauss gun description, I'd have called them "Atomic Flayers"

'Course, I was a Space Wolf player at the time and this was when Necrons first came out (which, believe it or not, was before 3rd edition), so I may be wrong.

I think GW's 'technical' description said they screwed up one of the atomic forces or something. But 'Atomic Flayers' sounds like something out of a bad 50/60's sci-fi movie :P

I think GW's 'technical' description said they screwed up one of the atomic forces or something. But 'Atomic Flayers' sounds like something out of a bad 50/60's sci-fi movie :P

Umm...duh? :p

I never said it would be particularly clever :D

Give me a Morita rifle any day.

Obviously, all new RTS games have this shitty ass rock-paper-scissors balancing, while the good old games such as Starcraft, C&C, and TA are essentially just giant algebra equations. You know something like, "I have 100 guys that deal three damage each, how will that compare to 50 guys dealing 3 damage?" But,those games just don't exist any more. They don't. It's more of a, "Well my Anti tank men can take out his tanks, while his tanks kill my infantry, so my infantry will have to..." Which makes the game shitty.

You do realise that StarCraft uses the same fucking formula, surely...?

WarCraft, WarCraft II, StarCraft, and WarCraft III all use the same motherfucking system. Everything has counters, and everything has weaknesses. You're contradicting yourself. Those games don't exist anymore? What about Supreme Commander? Rise of Nations? Empires: Dawn of the Modern World, if anything?

Every fucking RTS is a rock-paper-scissors game, and you know it.

There will never be an RTS that will ever be able to compare to it. Ever.

Can't disagree with that. There will never be an RTS as overrated as StarCraft. Ever.

I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die.

Ok, YOU definitely didn't play CoH. It is virtually impossible to destroy armour with basic infantry.

You do realise that StarCraft uses the same fucking formula, surely...?

WarCraft, WarCraft II, StarCraft, and WarCraft III all use the same motherfucking system. Everything has counters, and everything has weaknesses. You're contradicting yourself.

Red Alert is the only game where the sides are really unbalanced, yet can match each other when played right.

Morita rifle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Pat-Morita_%28Karate_Kid%29.jpg

Wax on, wax off.

Umm...duh? :p

I never said it would be particularly clever :D

Give me a Morita rifle any day.

"Captain Star-Ace, we have to use...THE ATOMIC FLAYER!"
"Youre mad, John! Mad! We dont have our goggles on!"

"Captain Star-Ace, we have to use...THE ATOMIC FLAYER!"
"Youre mad, John! Mad! We dont have our goggles on!"

*fires ATOMIC FLAYER*

Wait for it...

*braces self*

...

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Red Alert is the only game where the sides are really unbalanced, yet can match each other when played right.

When "Right" is in the context of the term "Identically", then yeah, that's true.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Pat-Morita_%28Karate_Kid%29.jpg

Wax on, wax off.

lol Nice :D I actually think that's one I've never heard.

Morita rifle is Starship Troopers, sorry, I'm a miniatures game geek that doesn't play 40k anymore. :p

"Captain Star-Ace, we have to use...THE ATOMIC FLAYER!"
"Youre mad, John! Mad! We dont have our goggles on!"

*fires ATOMIC FLAYER*

Wait for it...

*braces self*

...

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Given how bad the fluff for 40k has gotten over the years, do you really think that wouldn't fit in :p

And in other news, apparently Arcturus Mengsk looks exactly like Kris Kristofferson. :D

Clicky (http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss13-hires.jpg)

Looks like we've found our actor for the "what if" movie!

When "Right" is in the context of the term "Identically", then yeah, that's true.

Have you even played Red Alert? On land, the Soviets can sweep the Allies away. The Allies have nothing whatsoever to harm the Soviets. In the water, different story. Allies also rely much more sneaky tactics like gap gens and the Chronosphere.

If you played the Allies and Soviets identically, the Soviets would crush the Allies into dust.

Have you even played Red Alert? On land, the Soviets can sweep the Allies away. The Allies have nothing whatsoever to harm the Soviets. In the water, different story. Allies also rely much more sneaky tactics like gap gens and the Chronosphere.

Oh. Well, I only played it for about a week or so, having skirmishes against a friend of mine over the modem. I guess neither of us was good enough to actually note the imbalances. :p

Oh. Well, I only played it for about a week or so, having skirmishes against a friend of mine over the modem. I guess neither of us was good enough to actually not the imbalances. :p

How can you not notice the imbalances? The best Allied tank costs less than and is less powerful than the weakest Soviet tank!

Are you sure you're not thinking of Red Alert 2?

Okay, I'm getting rather annoyed with people claiming that all Blizzard does is rip-off one thing or another, when that's not what's happening. Look, I don't care about Warhammer 40K, because I never played it, but Blizzard isn't ripping anything off: they're coming up with similiar ideas, which is what all of humanity does. We keep talking about how our imagination is limitless, but it's not: it's limited. Sooner or later we'll see a lot of similiar ideas pop up in one thing or another.

I also wish people would take the time to analyze things more closely before claiming something to be a rip-off. Examine the histories and the details of the three races in Starcraft, and you'll see that while similiar to some things from Warhammer 40K, they're not the same. If they were literally the same with just changed names or a few SLIGHT details changed, then you might have an argument, but since they're not that identical, you don't.

Now, me, I enjoyed Starcraft, and I'll probably enjoy Starcraft II. When I get around to playing it I'll probably enjoy Company of Heroes and whatever else people here seem to like to worship.

Anyway, my point is: lay off of Blizzard. At least wait till the game is out before declaring this and that about it.

How can you not notice the imbalances? The best Allied tank costs less than and is less powerful than the weakest Soviet tank!

Are you sure you're not thinking of Red Alert 2?

Now that you mention it, I did always cream him when I used the Soviets... And he only used the Americans.

See, you guys may mope about how Starcraft "ripped off" Warhammer 40K and that's your right. Personally though, I think Starcraft is an infinitely superior piece of work... The problem with Warhammer is the exact same thing that makes it so fucking awesome in it's own right. It doesn't really have a real story - just meaningless, endless violence, carnage, death, and utter-fucking-devastation no matter who or what you are. Everyone is fighting everybody. Period. That's all there is to it. Most of the background info on the races is amazingly generic, believe it or not, and mostly consists of sci-fi fluff. That's OK because Warhammer isn't cool because of the background or story, it's cool because of the aforementioned meaningless, endless violence, carnage, death, and utter-fucking-devastation. When death is so common, so trivial, and so awesome, you tend to lose all of the emotional gravity that makes a space epic so compelling. Who gives a shit if the Necrons wipe a planet away? It's what they do!

Starcraft on the other hand did the exact opposite. It told a story and a magnificent one at that. There are very, very few as good in games, movies, or even books. It was a Cyberpunk masterpiece and the magnum opus of Space-Epics (and it beat the hell out of Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, and 40K along the way)... It was the characters and the individual emotions that made it so unique and along with that came all the action and carnage you expect from a game and setting like this. Even without the stellar and timeless game-mechanics, Starcraft was a magnificent piece of work.

Yes, Company of Heroes is an excellent modern RTS but frankly, WWII can only be done so many times. Besides, everyone knows how it ends! :p It doesn't have to be one or the other, folks. I have no reason to doubt for a second that Starcraft 2 (and hell, it is about time) will live up to it's predecessor. Give it a chance and enjoy it for what it is.

StarCraft, and Blizzard in general, get WAY too much credit.

Blizzard is good at taking ideas that have worked for others and improving on them and supplying a heavy amount of polish. They also have excellent art direction.

Back to the topic of Starcraft, I haven't enjoyed a Blizzard RTS since Warcraft 2, though I do enjoy the custom maps in Warcraft 3 and suspect that Starcraft 2 will also support an excellent map editor.

What I'm trying to say is...never EVER judge a game before you've played it.*

*Certain exceptions apply
I suspect if I hadn't judged WOW (specifically, I think it was something like "MMORPGs suck") before playing I wouldn't have been impressed with it. I judge games all the time, though usually only by genre.

You do realise that StarCraft uses the same fucking formula, surely...?

WarCraft, WarCraft II, StarCraft, and WarCraft III all use the same motherfucking system. Everything has counters, and everything has weaknesses. You're contradicting yourself. Those games don't exist anymore? What about Supreme Commander? Rise of Nations? Empires: Dawn of the Modern World, if anything?

Every fucking RTS is a rock-paper-scissors game, and you know it.

I know it, huh?

Dumbass, I already explained how the formulas are different.

Starcraft - A giant math equation

New games - Rock Paper scissors.

There's a difference, trust me.

Can't disagree with that. There will never be an RTS as overrated as StarCraft. Ever.



Ok, YOU definitely didn't play CoH. It is virtually impossible to destroy armour with basic infantry.

Did you even read what I had to say?

"I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die."

heh, i just noticed their motto for starcraft II is "hell, its about time" ^_^

I like Starcraft.


But is a rip-off of Warhammer 40k

COH is the probably the best RTS.

Also, there are now rumors flying around that the next 40k RTS will be using the Essence Engine. That will be awesome.

Starcraft has to rank as one of the finest RTS games I have ever played. And I agree that gameplay has to take priority to graphics.

Starcraft is unique in that each side requires significantly different strategies. Terrans use long-range bombardment, Zerg swarm, and Protoss... I'm still not sure. This is a feat that no other RTS I have ever played has achieved.

Not that it is the only way. My other favorite RTS, Age of Empires, is very different, because each side uses a variant of the same unit lineup. AoE also has a major emphasis on the economy, rather than on simple fighting.

And Command & Conquer simply has great gameplay based off present-day warfare. It's a good, generic formula, that many other games use, and use it effectively.

If starcraft ripped off anything, it was Starship Troopers and its own Warcraft series, but regardless of where they took their ideas from, I think everyone will agree that the makers of starcraft made unique and interesting storyline, as well as engaging gameplay. Otherwise how can one explain the 9 years of popularity it has enjoyed? I have not seen mention of the 4th race from any official sources and that is very disappointing :( Hopefully the zerg/protoss hybrids will make an appearance at least as units that can be controlled by one of the original factions!

Did you even read what I had to say?

"I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die."

Well I don't see how that is fun. For me, rather then spamming Marine to take out a tank, I would much rather build a Grenider squad and equip it with a Panzershreck, that has a lot more tactics and thought involved in it then " I'm gonna build x amount of things and overwhelm the other guy."

I know it, huh?

Dumbass, I already explained how the formulas are different.

Starcraft - A giant math equation

New games - Rock Paper scissors.

There's a difference, trust me.

They're all giant math equations. The rock-paper-scissors ones are just more complex math equations: Strong/Counter/Special/Counter/Strong is more complex than Five Tanks Get Overwhelmed By Three Hundred Marines Because That's The Only Way They Can Be Stopped Because Tanks Have No Counter Units Like Rocket Launcher Squads Or Field Mines Because The Game Fucking Blows And The Developers Obviously Didn't Take Enough Time To Think Things Through Because They Suck At Math.

Are you daft? Or do you just suck at math?

Interesting...

It seems that Blizzard was hiring MMO developers (http://pc.ign.com/articles/784/784124p1.html) along with RTS developers. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6155152.html) Considering that Blizzard has always worked on at least two projects at once, that World of Warcraft was developed simultaneously alongside both Warcraft 3 and it's expansion pack, and that most of the original Diablo crew quit to work on Hellgate: London, it could be possible that a Starcraft MMO is in the works as well! :eek:

They were tight lipped about the story and setting of WoW during development because The Frozen Throne set up and directly led into the story of WoW... What if Starcraft 2 contains an end of campaign spoiler like the original one did that leads to "Starcraft Universe" or something of the like? I'd go for something like that.

Since Blizzard is too much in love with their current settings to get around to a new IP, the only other possibility is a Diablo 3 MMO. If that's the case, few of the old Diablo people are still around to work on it... :(

Did you even read what I had to say?

"I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die."

Which is just stupid. Better to have it based on real life, where a thousand guys with SA80s couldn't do shit to a Challenger without an AT weapon, then some silly nonsense about hitpoints.

And really, Starcraft superior to Wars, Trek, Firefly and WH40K? Bloody fanboy wankers.

And really, Starcraft superior to Wars, Trek, Firefly and WH40K? Bloody fanboy wankers.

Hardly.

Star Wars is a glorified series of movies aimed at children, Star Trek is a campy soap opera in space (to be kind), Firefly was great but ultimately of a smaller scope, and WH40K, as I was saying, is pure carnage and little more. Starcraft, taken as a whole contained a fantastic story and a very well developed sci-fi background. It's just a little less accessible because you have to play through 6 campaigns to get all of it.

I voted the latest possible date simply because it was the latest possible date. If this is the one for PS2, Gamecube and XBox I doubt it will ever come out. It was supposed to come out in 2005.

I voted the latest possible date simply because it was the latest possible date. If this is the one for PS2, Gamecube and XBox I doubt it will ever come out. It was supposed to come out in 2005.

That was Starcraft: Ghost and it was officially canceled.
Blizzard has made statements saying they do not like the way that the game console industry does business and that they intend to stay with PC Games.

I made the poll before any details were released and had just seen the first gameplay movie, but now that I know what we saw is a pre-alpha concept, I don't think we will see this coming out before 2008

Star Trek is a campy soap opera in space (to be kind),.

It's a bit more than that. Sure, it's hardly the best of science fiction out there, but Star Trek is better than many people give it credit for. They see later seasons of Voyager and any of Enterprise and think that must be what the entire series is like. TNG and DS9 were both well worth watching for the most part...barring, say, most of TNG's first season.

And Star Trek has influenced a lot of people, inspired many to become scientists and work with the various space-related programs, such as the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. It has also influenced many other little parts of our daily lives, such as the fact that cell phones flip open.

Of course, as I said, it's definitely not the best. Stargate SG-1 and its sister show Atlantis are both far better than most Star Trek(with only certain parts standing up as equals) and that's just in the television field...in the book field you've got some even better stuff out there, though I haven't read too much of it lately.

In any case, Star Trek, while not absolutely fantastic, is better than a lot of people tend to give it credit for, and I thus correct them accordingly.

If star trek sucks then why did George Lucas hire a hitman to kill Gene Roddenberry ?

If star trek sucks then why did George Lucas hire a hitman to kill Gene Roddenberry ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

...Roddenberry died of heat failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

...Roddenberry died of heat failure.

Yea that's what they want you to think.

Okay, I'm getting rather annoyed with people claiming that all Blizzard does is rip-off one thing or another..It is the price of success.

When you are become dominant.. some people will start to hate you.

Examples:
Walmart
MacDonald
etc.

It is the price of success.

When you are become dominant.. some people will start to hate you.

Examples:
Walmart
MacDonald
etc.

MacDonald? Old MacDonald? I can't imagine anyone ever hating that guy. If anything, he should hate all his goddamn animals for never shutting the hell up.

MacDonald? Old MacDonald? I can't imagine anyone ever hating that guy. If anything, he should hate all his goddamn animals for never shutting the hell up.funny guy :D

Starcraft is unique in that each side requires significantly different strategies. Terrans use long-range bombardment, Zerg swarm, and Protoss... I'm still not sure. This is a feat that no other RTS I have ever played has achieved.

You're basically laying out IG/Space Marines vs Tyrannids vs Eldar/Tau.

Did you even read what I had to say?

"I've tried playing AoE 3 and Company of Heros, and it just doesn't work for me. As far as I'm concerned, if I get enough soldiers to shoot that tank enough times, that tank is going to die."

Except it's not as far as you're concerned. It's fact. In CoH, it is not possible to destroy tanks with bullet-weapon infantry.

Now, me, I enjoyed Starcraft, and I'll probably enjoy Starcraft II. When I get around to playing it I'll probably enjoy Company of Heroes and whatever else people here seem to like to worship.

If you liked StarCraft, you won't like Company of Heroes.

Anyway, my point is: lay off of Blizzard. At least wait till the game is out before declaring this and that about it.

I'll lay off when they create a new, original franchise that isn't ripped off something else and has more complexity than "Here's the demon, kill him."

In CoH, it is not possible to destroy tanks with bullet-weapon infantry.

Which is why Starcraft is a better game than CoH.

Which is why Starcraft is a better game than CoH.

...

Because it requires no strategy whatsoever, and can be won by just rushing at the enemy? Just like every other RTS?

I'll lay off when they create a new, original franchise that isn't ripped off something else and has more complexity than "Here's the demon, kill him."
Name me some titles that have come out in the past few years that aren't copies/rip-offs.

Also, maybe Blizzard will start making more 'complex' games when there's a demand for them. Considering the sales (and money) they've made, twould seem that the majority of people actually like what they do.


I don't like their linear storylines, where if you need to win each mission to get through. Why not make it a bit more interesting so if you lose certain missions, it changes the storyline and opens up different missions?

You people are crazy... who the hell cares if it is or isn't a rip-off of Warhammer? Does it honestly matter that much? Hell we may as well say that Warhammer ripped off Tolkein since they have a fantasy world with elves in if we're going to go with this stupid bloody argument. Just because someone else sets a story in space does not automatically make it a rip off. How many bloody things have an intergallatic federation of humans fighting big creepy aliens? And look some of them existed before Warhammer did, shocking isn't it? Ugh just because you feel that Starcraft isn't the RTS for you does not make it automatically shite, the same applies to those who like it, just because you like it does not make it good.

However the above is not the point. The point is surely "Is this game fun?" Personally I'd say yes, yes the hours I put into the first SC game were a hell of a lot of fun, so were the many hours that I've spent playing 40k table-top and DoW. So yes I am looking forwards to playing SC II, I have been since the day I completed Brood War.

One final thing concerning the whole "infantry should not be able to kill tanks" argument. In case you haven't noticed, Starcraft is set in space, in the distant future. This is not a scenario that begets realism.

Toodles x

Graphics a good game does not make.

The development of the 3D graphics engine was one of the most over-hyped gaming technological advances. Who cares if your breath is taken away every time you look at the screen; a shit game with amazing graphics is still a shit game.

Far too many gamers IMO are obsessed with graphics, and not interested in gameplay.
I meant "it looks shit" in terms of quality too.

"YUS! REHASH FOR ECONOMIC VICTORY!"

"The game of 1994, with the graphics of 2003!"

This just in: Baseball is a ripoff of cricket
Will americans still play it once this is found out?

Somebodies a fan boy.

Anyway, I'm surprised! No hybrids? Then what the hell was that secret mission? I WANT HYBRIDS!!

<< Has lost probably a month's worth of time playing the original starcraft.

You want hybrids? I'm hoping for more Kerrigan ;) .

Personally I am a bit skeptical of some new additions. Like the Protoss 'mothership' (actual name forgotten). You can only have one in the game.

Now that would be understandable if it took 51% of the total supply. However I don't think it will work that way so you end up with a hard cap (cap on unit type) rather than a soft cap (the points based model that was used in SC 1).

Let's see. 2056 for the release of SC2...that means the Mac version will be out juuuust before the sun explodes.

You do realise that the sun won't explode when it reaches then end of its life, it will just expand, then the gas layers will seperate from the inner core (a white dwarf with a thin atmosphere) don't you?

Just one race? Mate, in DoW, there were four, and then seven after expansions. After expansions! In CoH, a game where there isn't much room for new sides, they're introducing TWO.

Relic have made a hell of a benchmark for RTSs. I can't see Blizzard meeting it. All the review will say it's the best game ever, but they won't meet that standard.

Relic's best RTS for now has been Homeworld (and homeworld 2).

That's hilarious because even bo-... gauss guns are in W40k. Necrons, anyone?

Gauss guns (as a name) are in a LOT of sci-fi stuff. Anyway, those are not really gauss guns on the necrons, they seem to be some kind of weird green energy flaying-thingy.

More on topic, I hated Starcraft because I could only select 8 units at a time. Give me DOW: DC, Supreme Commander, or Red Alert 2 anyday.

You could select 12....

Let's see. 2056 for the release of SC2...that means the Mac version will be out juuuust before the sun explodes.

Blizzard releases are almost always compatible with both platforms from day one.

They say there will be no limit to the number of units you can select in sc2!

They say there will be no limit to the number of units you can select in sc2!

*Uses dark archon to select enemy units*

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070521.jpg

You know...apart from the reunification and the hard-on...I would say this probably isn't that far off. :D

They say there will be no limit to the number of units you can select in sc2!

I hope so. Blizzard really messed up when they kept trying to limit unit numbers, or unit selection numbers, in Warcraft III. And Starcraft really. In TA you can select hundreds of aircraft units to just ass-rape - or get ass-raped, depending - your un/suspecting foe. I LOVE that!

And they better ditch the whole "hero" concept too. I hated that about W3.

They say there will be no limit to the number of units you can select in sc2!

Great, now they just have to bring the game back up to modern-day standards and I might be interested; hell, I haven't seen a game with "cliffs and ramps" style terrain since the early 2000s.

All the previews look like they're pro-Toss again.

/rant

I shall now speak the speak of which Starcraft dreams were made of:

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I have been waiting for this day for a long time, the news made me so happy that when I typed the username and password I accidently type Starcraft/number2. I never was good at campaign, so I always thought i sucked, and I still loved it, but recently I pwn3d my brother, who always ruled at starcraft, so I had found new meaning andnew life in the game, even more so now.