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Hello. I have seen Spiderman 3 but i cant really decide if i am happy with the villans. The long awaited venom, in my opinion, wasn't as great as he seemed in the comics. Sandman was ok but had a crap ending. Well i think we can all say that Harry was just a shit villain.

Please write back.

They butchered Harry, that mask he had I mean ugh. Venom was cool, but the guy who played venom was to thin (imo he needed to look more like that bouncer that tried to kick Peter out of that club). The sandman was cool, the special effects involved with that villian was actualy really cool I think.

Over all I think the movie was entertaining, although I wouldn't pay to see it again.

ye i know what you mean. In the comics eddie brok was a body builder...not a scrawney little nobody. I hope they do villains that are the same in the comics in Spider-Man 4.

I found it mediocre. I enjoyed it but won't go to the theatre to see it again. Maybe on rental.

If you're only familiar with the movies, you'll find it a bit too Hollywoodian.

If you're quite familiar with the comics, you'll like it enough.

If you're a fanatic for the comics, you'll complain the next hour about the complicated plot points totally overlooked by the screenwriters as well as the one million and one things that weren't just right...

Stan Lee's appearance was a bit too obvious this time, sadly.

Stan Lee's appearance was a bit too obvious this time, sadly.

I was just amazed he's still alive. He's like what? A hundred and ninety two?

I was just amazed he's still alive. He's like what? A hundred and ninety two?

Sigged...

But with regards to Spiderman Three...
"With great anticipation comes great f*ckupery"

i liked except for the part where he [P^2] got all emo

THis movie sucked ass. OK, its good for a superhero movie, but its bellow standart for a spider man movie. I`ve seen the first more than 10 times, the second quite a few times, and I dont plan on seeing the third again.

Now, one thing great about the first movies is that the vilains had depth. They were developed, important to Peter Parker. Hell, the green goblin was the father of his best friend and goes to eat at the thanks giving party that they had. Dr Octopus was a mentor and fatherly figure to Peter.

But Sandman just wasnt developed at all. This is what happens:
Sandman runs away from cops. Sandman finds his daughter. Sandman becomes sandman because of weird experiment. Sandman wants to steal money (for no reason at all). Sandman fights Spider Man. Sandman helps Spider Man.

And that is it. He isnt developed at all. Venon, even less. They butchered it. The guy that acted as eddie brok was pitifull, totaly unrelated to the rest of the characters and quite lame. Go back to 70´s show.

So, for me, the amazing thing about spider man movies are the characters. But they really didnt develop any of them in this movie. Harry was cool (and I liked his outfit) but they didnt develop him either.

But Sandman just wasnt developed at all. This is what happens:
Sandman runs away from cops. Sandman finds his daughter. Sandman becomes sandman because of weird experiment. Sandman wants to steal money (for no reason at all). Sandman fights Spider Man. Sandman helps Spider Man.
He stole the money to be able to afford surgery (or whatever "cure") for his sick daughter. It's why he was doing the robbery in which Peter's uncle got killed and it's why he's trying to steal money now.

And when is he helping Spiderman??

As for the movie itself, I found it mediocre. Not bad by any means, but nowhere near the sheer awesomeness of the first two.

I can't really pin it on anything, though. While watching the movie everything was okay, if not grand, but afterwards it was just "Okay. That was that. Just another popcorn movie. Now let's go do something else."

I thought it was borderline terrible.

Mary Jane went from being tough to a complete "What about my feelings?" girl. Peter went EMO??? There were three separate (and fairly bad) musical numbers. The first one right at the opening was nauseating. (And I like musicals, so I'm not judging that purely on the fact that it had music.) Peter and MJ and Harry all spent huge portions of the movie grinning like they'd been brainwashed by the Scientologists. What was with everyone taking off their masks to talk?? The fights did not have the punch OR the payoff of the previous films. Uncle Ben was killed by ACCIDENT? By SOMEONE ELSE?? (Yeah, and Greedo shot first, too.) Eddie Brock was one of the most one-dimensional villains ever conceived. After 30-seconds of consideration and with no REAL attempt at showing how hard it is, Peter forgives The Sandman.

On the plus side: Aunt Mae was awesome as Peter's moral compass and spiritual anchor. Thomas Haden Church put in a reasonable performance and probably would have been amazing had they not been holding back on the gravitas to keep this a kid's movie. (See the notes about the endless happy happy faces above.) The character of the Sandman was (except for the Uncle Ben bit) well-executed and understandable. The scene where he attempts to reform for the first time is amazing. JJJ (with the inexplicable but hilarious over-achieving desk buzzer) was, as usual, a show stopper. Gwen Stacy was the girl MJ SHOULD have been. Betty Brant is so hot I don't have time to describe it.

Even with the cool points there, they are so heavily outweighed by the larger problems most notably how poorly the film was acted (These are all competent actors. What was Raimi going for that he turned them all into grinning mannequins??) I have no interest in seeing it again. I'm going to ignore it and assume they only made two films. Whatever happens with #4 will be even worse and #5-8 will all be direct-to-video crapfests.

Horrible.

I didn't pay $10 for a ticket to watch Peter Parker go emo.

I thought it was borderline terrible.

Mary Jane went from being tough to a complete "What about my feelings?" girl. Peter went EMO??? There were three separate (and fairly bad) musical numbers. The first one right at the opening was nauseating. (And I like musicals, so I'm not judging that purely on the fact that it had music.) Peter and MJ and Harry all spent huge portions of the movie grinning like they'd been brainwashed by the Scientologists. What was with everyone taking off their masks to talk?? The fights did not have the punch OR the payoff of the previous films. Uncle Ben was killed by ACCIDENT? By SOMEONE ELSE?? (Yeah, and Greedo shot first, too.) Eddie Brock was one of the most one-dimensional villains ever conceived. After 30-seconds of consideration and with no REAL attempt at showing how hard it is, Peter forgives The Sandman.

On the plus side: Aunt Mae was awesome as Peter's moral compass and spiritual anchor. Thomas Haden Church put in a reasonable performance and probably would have been amazing had they not been holding back on the gravitas to keep this a kid's movie. (See the notes about the endless happy happy faces above.) The character of the Sandman was (except for the Uncle Ben bit) well-executed and understandable. The scene where he attempts to reform for the first time is amazing. JJJ (with the inexplicable but hilarious over-achieving desk buzzer) was, as usual, a show stopper. Gwen Stacy was the girl MJ SHOULD have been. Betty Brant is so hot I don't have time to describe it.

Even with the cool points there, they are so heavily outweighed by the larger problems most notably how poorly the film was acted (These are all competent actors. What was Raimi going for that he turned them all into grinning mannequins??) I have no interest in seeing it again. I'm going to ignore it and assume they only made two films. Whatever happens with #4 will be even worse and #5-8 will all be direct-to-video crapfests.

Heh, you sound almost exactly like the friend I watched it with. Esp. regarding the "happy happy faces", which annoyed the hell out of him. :p

did not watch number two so i'm not watching number three

Tough crowd. I really enjoyed the third one.

Sam Raimi never liked Venom, because its hard to build a villain with a lack of humanity. He only added him to please drooling fanboys. Box-office move. Thats why Venom wasn't really given a big spotlight.

Considering the length of the movie already and having to add Venom, building up the Sandman character was hard. I agree more could've been done in that respect. The building up of Norman Osbourne in the first movie as a supervillain just hasn't been matched in the second and third movies.

The ending wasn't as bad as some people have said. I cried, but then again I'm a very emotional person anyway. Harry was shown throughout the movie as being a blinded idiot that thinks he's bigger than he actually is. As much as I love the guy (or maybe I just love James Franco), I think thats how the new Goblin should have been shown. He's an amateur superbeing compared to Spiderman. The original Goblin was miles ahead ability-wise and I think thats what Raimi was showing.

Stan Lee's cameo was fun. Give him a break. He's the reason Spidey as we know him exists.

I wished they showed Spiderman in his symbiote incarnation more often though. Emo Peter Parker sucks. Black Spiderman is just totally awesome.

Horrible.

I didn't pay $10 for a ticket to watch Peter Parker go emo.

Cut out that entire section of the film and I think it was pretty decent. The special effects certainly wow'd me and it was a decent story despite their ending for Harry.

He stole the money to be able to afford surgery (or whatever "cure") for his sick daughter. It's why he was doing the robbery in which Peter's uncle got killed and it's why he's trying to steal money now.

And when is he helping Spiderman??

Oh yeah, I forgot about that, specially since it was mentioned in a 10 seconds scene and never mentioned again, totaly unlike what happened with Dr Octopus, that had a reason for doing what he did that was the majority of what hapened in the second movie.

One bad thing about this movie is that there is just too much going around, and nothing is explored properly. They clearly had enough content to do TWO movies, yet they tried to make it just one. I mean, in this movie you have:

- Spiderman becomes famous.
- Peter and JJ fights and relationship problems.
- JJ has professional problems.
- Venon (that isnt even named).
- Sandman.
- Eddie Broke and the blond chick.
- Harry loses his memory and becomes retard smiling boy.

That is too much. In the other movies things were much more focused, developed, and portrayed in an original way. The things that made Sam Raimi direction special in the first movies were totaly lost in this one. Just watch the first and the third to see the diferent. The direction quality and originality is totaly diferent.

ANother thing that totaly pissed me is that there were too many "WOW ITS SPIDER MAN!" moments, showing the crowd pointing at him and when something went bad, they just looked with that WOW face and moaned.

It's Soooooooo goooooood oh wait no thats just the pie.

It's OK not super good i would recommend going to watch it if you liked the last two.

Fun movie, could've been better.

Personally, I think Venom (the Eddie Brock one, not the symbiote in general) should've just been left out of the movie altogether if they were just gonna be shoehorned in at the end and forced into a fairly nonsensical villain team-up with Sandman (though this admittedly resulted in a fun to look at fight).

Instead they could have used the extra time not used for dealing with Venom to, y'know, actually properly resolve Sandman's storyline instead of him just... leaving. And then Venom could be kept in reserve for another movie if wanted.

I really liked it but I fell they tried to put too much into one movie....Venom should have been in Spiderman 4....also Topher Grace had the Venom attitude and personality, but he was too small

I thought the movie was excellent in every way. It was so involved with plotlines everywhere, but never got tedious or boring. It was an action epic, but also funny. The villains were excellent, but they didn't overshadow Spider-Man. They each got the attention they deserved and the ending was intensely satisfying. Stan Lee had his best cameo yet. The only thing I didn't like was Harry throwing 6 pumpkin razors at Peter in their first fight. I don't really like the number 6.

i liked except for the part where he [P^2] got all emo
Buh? That was one of the movie's saving graces. Peter was always a dork, but for about half an hour he got to be a goofy dork, as opposed to his usual mopey dork. All the while providing further proof for my theory that Mike Score is an alien life form that crawled from a meteorite in the 70's.
Other than that, the villains looked cool (even if Harry seemed to have come up with all his schemes by watching Days of Our Lives reruns), things exploded, and I was amused; so it was thoroughly adequate for a superhero movie, though not quite up to the first or second's standards.

Closest I have EVER come to walking out of a cinema.

The most grating thing about the movie: Topher Grace. I love him but boy did I think he did a horrible acting job - mostly caused by the apparent directorial command to the actors to overact as much as possible and by his terribly one dimensional role. But still, I thought he was really bad, intentionally so or not.

Buh? That was one of the movie's saving graces. Peter was always a dork, but for about half an hour he got to be a goofy dork, as opposed to his usual mopey dork.Aye.

Better than the last - not as good as the first - still wanting when it comes to the story of Spiderman.

Yet, I'm glad they made the movies.

I didn't mind it. my beef?

The action was poorly choriographed. Of all the villians in all three movies, Venom was the only one Spidey feared. Venom matched spidey in Strength, Speed, and Agility. however, Venom was also invisible to Spidey's senses.

being said, the fights should've been slowed down so the audience could keep up. all the fights between Venom and Spidey were quick shots that ended with someone being slammed into a wall, beam, pipe, etc...

and making Sandman the killer of Uncle Ben... ugh.

Venom deserved his own movie. now Sandman and Electro...

Being a fan of comic books, I enjoyed Spider-man 3. Why:

O.K, yeah, Venom rocks. And while Eddie Brock Jr. wasn't borught out with much character, that's because Stan Lee didn't give him much when he was introduced. The portrayal by Topher Grace and the overall character of Venom match up pretty nicely. Alas, not all supervillains can have the complexity of a four-part A.I. influencing a brilliant scientist (Doc Ock).

As far as the rest of the cast, well, the relationships were always there in Marvel, more so than DC, and that is what you get when you see a Marvel movie. The "why" is explored more deeply in DC (ex: Batman Begins), but that's another topic.

And yes, those special effects were awesome. I am always impressed with the camera action of Spider-Man's web swinging, more so than Superman's flight, but well, with flight, one obeys the shortest distance equals straightest path ideal, not the relative accelerations that Spider-Man must balance.

A bad movie that I had the misfortune of seeing.

But Sandman just wasnt developed at all. This is what happens:
Sandman runs away from cops. Sandman finds his daughter. Sandman becomes sandman because of weird experiment. Sandman wants to steal money (for no reason at all).Sandman fights Spider Man. Sandman helps Spider Man.


Besides, you know, the whole his daughter dying thing.


So, for me, the amazing thing about spider man movies are the characters. But they really didnt develop any of them in this movie. Harry was cool (and I liked his outfit) but they didnt develop him either.

I found something about Harry to be unbelievably awkward. His speech and facial expressions are just awkward.


Also, I liked the emo Peter Parker. Not as in I thought he was better then the old one or anything, I just thought it was hilarious.


They shouldn't have killed off Venom, or at least let Eddie Brock survive, perhaps to come back in a later movie after finding a new Venom symbiote.

Umm...Harry should've survived, and was so fucking awesome with the Goblin thing that he deserves his own fucking movie.

I'm hoping for Shocker (Isn't that what he's called? The electric pulse gloves guy.) or Mysterio for Spider Man 4. If there is one.

Also, was there a cliffhanger at the end of the credits, like in X-Men 3? I didn't stay...

Also, was there a cliffhanger at the end of the credits, like in X-Men 3? I didn't stay...
Nope.

I actually was surprised that there was no cliffhanger at all.
Guess they're leaving a way out for Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst in case they're really fed up with it (which I kinda think they are, unless the paycheck drives them back). Also, didn't I read just the other day that Sam Raimi doesn't want to do any more Spiderman movies? Or was that just a figment of my imagination?

I think so.

I dont think Raimi was that happy about making this movie. I think it totaly lacked the originaly and creativity Raimi puts in his movie. Either he became too conservative or he didnt put enough effort into it.

And I dont think there will be another movie. All the actors are happy with what they got so far, the director wants to try new things and the story doesnt have much to offer anymore.

Anyway, about Harry: Yes, he looked really weird. I mean, he acted like a total retard, even much weirder than his highschool days when his life was somewhat balanced. Yet, I liked the guy, and I think his suit and his green goblin persona was quite cool (much more cool than Sandman). Mary Jane, on the other hand, only bitched and screamed a lot in this movie. I mean, instead of developing her more compared to the other movies, they devolved her, making her even more shallow.

I like it when a guy gets superpowers through technology and equipments (maybe that is why I´m waiting eagerly for Iron man).

Okay, this put things into perspective for me, I took my Mother to see this film as a mother's day gift, she chose to see this film. My mother thought there was too much romance in this film. MY MOTHER. She watches melodramatic made-for-tv movies all the time, and thought too much romance. Maybe she felt it out of place here I dunno.

Yes, it was too much good stuff unfortunatley crammed into one film. Sandman was always a fluff henchmen in the comics And a cookie-cutter greengoblin is understandably avoided, But Venom, So much went wrong there. First, they killed him off. WHY? he just ooze's create a new franchise character. the protray was a bit off for me, topher did an exelent job and I agree a bit too small, but that's being nit picky. What erk me was mentioning himself in the singular and the wicked tounge. I wanted the wicked tounge!

I like it when a guy gets superpowers through technology and equipments (maybe that is why I´m waiting eagerly for Iron man).

Isn't Iron Man's suit basically a life support system with a bunch of guns?

Hello. I have seen Spiderman 3 but i cant really decide if i am happy with the villans. The long awaited venom, in my opinion, wasn't as great as he seemed in the comics. Sandman was ok but had a crap ending. Well i think we can all say that Harry was just a shit villain.

Please write back.

It was pretty good, but if Spidey HAD to forgive Sandman, couldn't he do it while Sandman was dying from Venom's bite like in the comics? And as for Harry, how can you say he's not an awsome villian after the apple-pie-wink? HOW?!?!?