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If you are in ANY country and you see Madeleine (missing 4-year-old girl)...

Multiland
18-05-2007, 22:05
...then call this number, anonymously:

+441883731336 (in the UK call 0800 555 111)

There is a poster of Madeleine here: http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/pdf/poster.pdf

Madeleine McCann was abducted in Praia Da Luz, Portugal on
3rd May 2007. She has a distinctive "black flash" in her right eye, which is where her pupil runs into her iris (you can see it in the picture here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6651307.stm and in one of the pictures here http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/)

Edit: This has been edited to provide the OFFICIAL website
Fleckenstein
18-05-2007, 22:10
Chain email, I guess?
Multiland
18-05-2007, 22:12
Chain email, I guess?

No. I wrote it myself and, as many people who watch the news will know, this is genuine - a 4-year-old girl called Madeleine McCann has been abducted (her 4th birthday was only recently)
Infinite Revolution
18-05-2007, 22:16
if anyone who is able to help has not heard of this now i'd be very surprised. this is about a fortnight old. in fact it's over a fortnight old.
Rubiconic Crossings
18-05-2007, 22:17
Yeah its a kosher story. Massive reward for her return etc etc

Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.
Philosopy
18-05-2007, 22:20
Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.

A similar thing keeps crossing my mind. Yes, it's a horribly sad story, but it does seem to have been blown out of all proportion.
Multiland
18-05-2007, 22:21
Yeah its a kosher story. Massive reward for her return etc etc

Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.

And the hundreds of other missing children in the UK (and presumably more across the world). You are indeed right. But if just one person can be found, then ace - cus every individual life is important.
Fleckenstein
18-05-2007, 22:27
Yeah its a kosher story. Massive reward for her return etc etc

Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.

Is she black? She'll never cross the AP wire if she's black.

Go America and its fetish for finding white lost girls. (They're restarting the search in Aruba for the white girl from Alabama)
Philosopy
18-05-2007, 22:27
Really? I'm not aware of any huge concert in hyde park being made for her, or a multi million world wide selling single.

Are you seriously claiming that enough is being done to beat world poverty because of Band Aid?
Hydesland
18-05-2007, 22:27
Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.

Really? I'm not aware of any huge concert in hyde park being made for her, or a multi million world wide selling single.
Infinite Revolution
18-05-2007, 22:27
Really? I'm not aware of any huge concert in hyde park being made for her, or a multi million world wide selling single.

one kid left alone by negligent parents vs. millions starving through no fault but the world's. give me a break.
Rubiconic Crossings
18-05-2007, 22:38
And the hundreds of other missing children in the UK (and presumably more across the world). You are indeed right. But if just one person can be found, then ace - cus every individual life is important.

Can't argue that.

Really? I'm not aware of any huge concert in hyde park being made for her, or a multi million world wide selling single.

My comment was more to do with the nearly daily news coverage of the tragic events in Portugal.

Before you ask...no I don't think a couple of records and concerts is enough. Its obscene. If ten million westerners died each year like that there would be (and there was action before it got that bad) something done.
Hydesland
18-05-2007, 22:38
Are you seriously claiming that enough is being done to beat world poverty because of Band Aid?

No, but more is being done then that one girl.
Hydesland
18-05-2007, 22:39
one kid left alone by negligent parents vs. millions starving through no fault but the world's. give me a break.

Yes, it's absurd to suggest that more is being done to help the former.
Philosopy
18-05-2007, 22:39
No, but more is being done then that one girl.

I believe it is more a question of proportionality than a straight forward comparison of the money/time spent on each.
Ultraviolent Radiation
18-05-2007, 22:39
Is she black? She'll never cross the AP wire if she's black.

Cross the what??
Rubiconic Crossings
18-05-2007, 22:40
Damn Jolt!

Hydesland...my reply is above yours and Philosophy's.
Hydesland
18-05-2007, 22:44
My comment was more to do with the nearly daily news coverage of the tragic events in Portugal.


This is gonna sound horiffically sinnical but: "thats old news dude".
The Treacle Mine Road
18-05-2007, 23:05
I have to say this but judging by some of the comments made on this, are you suggesting that we don't look for her, due to her being unimportant compared to those starving people?

Surely we should do what is immediately concerning and close to us, as once madeline is found that problem will be solved, but no matter the effort it would take many, many years to solve world poverty. And the racial comments are irrelevant, as a british tourist abroad surely we would be looking for her no matter her skin colour, the UK is not that incredibly racist. (racism certainly exists, but not to a massive extent.)
Multiland
18-05-2007, 23:08
*bump*
Philosopy
18-05-2007, 23:08
I have to say this but judging by some of the comments made on this, are you suggesting that we don't look for her, due to her being unimportant compared to those starving people?

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. In fact, we've been rather hoping that someone will eat her.

:rolleyes:
Rubiconic Crossings
18-05-2007, 23:15
This is gonna sound horiffically sinnical but: "thats old news dude".

Not really cynical. I think we have become inured to much of what goes on. Hence the whipping into a frenzy so easily done by the press in the UK.
RLI Rides Again
18-05-2007, 23:35
I feel really sorry for the parents, but I suspect they're setting themselves up for a fall by maintaining that she's still alive and well. They might do better to begin preparing themselves for the worst.
New Granada
18-05-2007, 23:36
Oh the humanity :rolleyes:

Tabloid 'abduction' sob stories... for the children :rolleyes:
RLI Rides Again
18-05-2007, 23:37
I have to say this but judging by some of the comments made on this, are you suggesting that we don't look for her, due to her being unimportant compared to those starving people?

I'm not suggesting that nobody should look for her, only that the idea that she's going to be spotted wandering around somewhere outside of Portugal is absurd. Obviously I hope she's found safe and well but I don't think it's very likely. :(
Northern Borders
18-05-2007, 23:38
I hope they find her, but I guess she must be dead by now. If I had kidnaped her, I would kill her and bury her somewhere no one would ever find.

Anyway, just as some people mentioned, there are millions of kids in Africa and many other places who are dying of hunger, yet no one cares about them. Well, everyone knows a blond british girl is worth hundreds of blacks anyway...
Rubiconic Crossings
18-05-2007, 23:46
I have to say this but judging by some of the comments made on this, are you suggesting that we don't look for her, due to her being unimportant compared to those starving people?

Surely we should do what is immediately concerning and close to us, as once madeline is found that problem will be solved, but no matter the effort it would take many, many years to solve world poverty. And the racial comments are irrelevant, as a british tourist abroad surely we would be looking for her no matter her skin colour, the UK is not that incredibly racist. (racism certainly exists, but not to a massive extent.)

Actually solving world poverty is easy. Living with the solution is what balks many governments and multinationals.
Call to power
18-05-2007, 23:48
I'm sorry but I'm not going to put in any effort to find this girl accept it:

shes dead, her body won't be in the UK and we already have a scapegoat

now maybe if we put all the time and effort looking for this one girl we can try looking for all the others that go missing (streets of London would be a good bet), course we already showed what with the Pakistan earthquake that nobody cares but hey....:(
Yossarian Lives
18-05-2007, 23:50
I saw on the Tv the other day, they've got people making ribbons to show support for the cause of getting her back. Ribbons. I'm sure it's very tragic, but isn't that a bit too far? On top of not actually having any effect other than milking the situation for sympathy.
Dundee-Fienn
18-05-2007, 23:51
I'm sorry but I'm not going to put in any effort to find this girl accept it:

shes dead, her body won't be in the UK and we already have a scapegoat

now maybe if we put all the time and effort looking for this one girl we can try looking for all the others that go missing (streets of London would be a good bet), course we already showed what with the Pakistan earthquake that nobody cares but hey....:(

No-ones asking you to go out on the streets calling her name. All they're asking is that you look at the picture and if you spot her to give info to the police. Its not very likely you'll see her but what the hell. Its not like it takes up your whole day looking at one picture
Infinite Revolution
18-05-2007, 23:52
Yes, it's absurd to suggest that more is being done to help the former.

yes. are you disagreeing with me? i've had rather a lot to drink.
Call to power
18-05-2007, 23:53
people making ribbons to show support for the cause of getting her back.

I was slightly freaked out by the fact that there yellow, can you be anymore dumb with colour choice
The_pantless_hero
18-05-2007, 23:59
Is she black? She'll never cross the AP wire if she's black.

Go America and its fetish for finding white lost girls. (They're restarting the search in Aruba for the white girl from Alabama)

Fetish for finding rich white girls. The girl that got lost in Aruba was from the loaded suburbs.
Call to power
19-05-2007, 00:02
All they're asking is that you look at the picture and if you spot her to give info to the police.

yeah plaster the posters with a distance of about a meter all over high street just in case I'm retarded

this has actually happened where I live unfortunately it rained shortly after and so we had useless pieces of paper floating about that won't be getting cleaned up by anyone who put them up :mad:

Its not very likely you'll see her but what the hell. Its not like it takes up your whole day looking at one picture

yeah having pictures of a dead kid posted through my door, nothing cheers me up more:rolleyes:
Dundee-Fienn
19-05-2007, 00:04
yeah having pictures of a dead kid posted through my door, nothing cheers me up more:rolleyes:

I'm sorry but I don't feel much sympathy for you having to go through such hardships
Rubiconic Crossings
19-05-2007, 00:10
I'm sorry but I'm not going to put in any effort to find this girl accept it:

shes dead, her body won't be in the UK and we already have a scapegoat

now maybe if we put all the time and effort looking for this one girl we can try looking for all the others that go missing (streets of London would be a good bet), course we already showed what with the Pakistan earthquake that nobody cares but hey....:(

Pretty much.

London is teeming with runaways apparently.

You are spot on with the Pakistan earthquake. One of my contractors hailed from the region and we went to the company to see what we could do...they were not interested.
The_pantless_hero
19-05-2007, 00:16
It's "Where the white women at?" syndrome.
Hydesland
19-05-2007, 00:50
yes. are you disagreeing with me? i've had rather a lot to drink.

same!
Hydesland
19-05-2007, 00:51
It's "Where the white women at?" syndrome.

Dont be such a wigger!
Neo Kervoskia
19-05-2007, 01:02
You know what? No. This is absolutely ridiculous. First Smart, then that other girl, now this.
Multiland
19-05-2007, 01:24
To the people who claimed she's dead:

First off, you don't know whether she is or isn't dead (in fact there have been more than enough incidents of people being found years after going missing) and second, negative thoughts aren't the best idea.

Madeleine is alive and she WILL be found.
Nadkor
19-05-2007, 01:32
Sorry, I would help, but I'm too busy looking for Lord Lucan.
I V Stalin
19-05-2007, 01:50
Sorry, I would help, but I'm too busy looking for Lord Lucan.
Oooh, if you want help with that let me know. I'll fit it in around my Amelia Earhart hunt schedule.

At least the story of Maddy gives me some amusement. As the family is from Leicester, the local paper is covering it feverishly. One of the many signs I see around the city centre with the days' headline on read the following the other day:

'Maddy Suspect: "I Am Innocent"'

Well, no shit, he said he's innocent. I'd've though, innocent or not, he would've come out and proclaimed his guilt to the world's massed media.

It's not news anymore. It was a slow news day when the story came out, and now none of the news agencies can drop it because of the coverage it's received everywhere else.
Multiland
19-05-2007, 18:27
*bump*
The Potato Factory
19-05-2007, 18:31
If I had guns, money, and a way to get to Portugal, I'd be there. Good merc work. Although Osama fetches 27 million nowadays...
RLI Rides Again
19-05-2007, 18:47
To the people who claimed she's dead:

First off, you don't know whether she is or isn't dead (in fact there have been more than enough incidents of people being found years after going missing)

I'm sorry, but statistically speaking, if an abducted child isn't recovered within a week or two then they're almost certainly dead. There's a tiny chance that she's still alive and well, but you'd do well not to get your hopes up.

and second, negative thoughts aren't the best idea.

Why not? If her parents continue to insist that she'll still alive then it'll just make the terrible blow even harder to bear.

Madeleine is alive and she WILL be found.

I sincerely hope you're right, but it's not likely. Why do you believe that anyway?
Venereal Complication
19-05-2007, 18:49
Oooh, if you want help with that let me know. I'll fit it in around my Amelia Earhart hunt schedule.

At least the story of Maddy gives me some amusement. As the family is from Leicester, the local paper is covering it feverishly. One of the many signs I see around the city centre with the days' headline on read the following the other day:

'Maddy Suspect: "I Am Innocent"'

Well, no shit, he said he's innocent. I'd've though, innocent or not, he would've come out and proclaimed his guilt to the world's massed media.

It's not news anymore. It was a slow news day when the story came out, and now none of the news agencies can drop it because of the coverage it's received everywhere else.

Too damn right.

It's lunatic, all of it.
Dontgonearthere
19-05-2007, 18:53
Uh oh, another blonde white girl has gone missing. Sound the alarm!

Meh. Im more concerned with the migrants getting lost out here.
Saxnot
19-05-2007, 19:03
A similar thing keeps crossing my mind. Yes, it's a horribly sad story, but it does seem to have been blown out of all proportion.

Fucking right. Same wth every other missing child / missing blonde white woman story.
Multiland
19-05-2007, 19:44
Originally Posted by Multiland
To the people who claimed she's dead:

First off, you don't know whether she is or isn't dead (in fact there have been more than enough incidents of people being found years after going missing)

I'm sorry, but statistically speaking, if an abducted child isn't recovered within a week or two then they're almost certainly dead. There's a tiny chance that she's still alive and well, but you'd do well not to get your hopes up.

Statistics are not infallible. Who's to say Madeleine isn't going to be one of the (few?) children who turn up alive?

Originally Posted by Multiland
and second, negative thoughts aren't the best idea.

Why not? If her parents continue to insist that she'll still alive then it'll just make the terrible blow even harder to bear.

If her parents assume Madeleine's dead now, that makes things worse for the family when there's no proof that Madeleine is dead - the parents will be grieving whilst trying to look after their other two kids, and it causes even more harshness if they tell their other kids they reckon Madeleine's dead so are now gonna give up hope, only for her to be found alive ("you gave up on her! I hate you!" etc). And this isn't mumbo-jumbo: There have been studies that show negative feelings cause negative energy which causes more negativity - and that positive feelings cause positive energy which causes more positivity. And you speak of a "terrible blow" - what terrible blow? That she's supposedly dead? You have no proof she is.


Originally Posted by Multiland
Madeleine is alive and she WILL be found.

I sincerely hope you're right, but it's not likely. Why do you believe that anyway?

Who are you to judge if it's "likely"? It may not be "usual" based on comparing it with other kids who have gone missing and turned up dead, but that doesn't mean it's unlikely. And I choose not to explain why I believe what I believe at this moment in time.

Too damn right.

It's lunatic, all of it.

No, it's not lunatic to tell people about a missing child


A similar thing keeps crossing my mind. Yes, it's a horribly sad story, but it does seem to have been blown out of all proportion.

Fucking right. Same wth every other missing child / missing blonde white woman story.

Still, she's a kid, she's gone missing, and regardless of the prejudices of the media and certain white people, it's still a good idea to continue looking for her - she may only be one of many missing kids, but if she's one kid who gets found, then the effort has been better than good. It's not being blown out of all proportion - when a kid has been abducted, how can you possibly "measure" that in terms of proportion?
RLI Rides Again
19-05-2007, 20:03
Statistics are not infallible. Who's to say Madeleine isn't going to be one of the (few?) children who turn up alive?

Probability. I've already said that there's a slim chance that she might, but the odds are strongly against it. Is that really so hard to understand?

If her parents assume Madeleine's dead now, that makes things worse for the family when there's no proof that Madeleine is dead - the parents will be grieving whilst trying to look after their other two kids, and it causes even more harshness if they tell their other kids they reckon Madeleine's dead so are now gonna give up hope, only for her to be found alive ("you gave up on her! I hate you!" etc). And this isn't mumbo-jumbo: There have been studies that show negative feelings cause negative energy which causes more negativity - and that positive feelings cause positive energy which causes more positivity. And you speak of a "terrible blow" - what terrible blow? That she's supposedly dead? You have no proof she is.

I never said that they should announce to the world that they thought she was dead, only that they should stop with the futile "She is alive and well, we know it!" and begin to prepare for the worst. This whole "positive and negative energy" sounds like New Age crap to me.

And you speak of a "terrible blow" - what terrible blow? That she's supposedly dead? You have no proof she is.

How many times do I have to say this? There is a chance she's alive, but she probably isn't. Comprenez?

Who are you to judge if it's "likely"?

Somebody with a rudimentary knowledge of statistics.

It may not be "usual" based on comparing it with other kids who have gone missing and turned up dead, but that doesn't mean it's unlikely.

Unless there's something unusual about this situation which makes it more likely that she'll be alive then the odds are still against it. Sorry.

And I choose not to explain why I believe what I believe at this moment in time.

So you rant at me and scream "How can you know she's dead!!1!!" when you're not even prepared to explain why you think she's still alive? Wow, my bullshit detector's going wild.
Multiland
19-05-2007, 20:38
Originally Posted by Multiland
Statistics are not infallible. Who's to say Madeleine isn't going to be one of the (few?) children who turn up alive?

Probability. I've already said that there's a slim chance that she might, but the odds are strongly against it. Is that really so hard to understand?

That doesn't mean she won't be found alive.


Originally Posted by Multiland
If her parents assume Madeleine's dead now, that makes things worse for the family when there's no proof that Madeleine is dead - the parents will be grieving whilst trying to look after their other two kids, and it causes even more harshness if they tell their other kids they reckon Madeleine's dead so are now gonna give up hope, only for her to be found alive ("you gave up on her! I hate you!" etc). And this isn't mumbo-jumbo: There have been studies that show negative feelings cause negative energy which causes more negativity - and that positive feelings cause positive energy which causes more positivity. And you speak of a "terrible blow" - what terrible blow? That she's supposedly dead? You have no proof she is.

I never said that they should announce to the world that they thought she was dead, only that they should stop with the futile "She is alive and well, we know it!" and begin to prepare for the worst. This whole "positive and negative energy" sounds like New Age crap to me.

However it sounds to you, you're not Madeleine's parents. For Madeleine's parents, it clearly helps to think positively rather than just give up and assume Madeleine is dead and isn't worth bothering about any more. It's not futile at all for them to assume/say that Madeleine is alive and well and that they know it. As for positive and negative energy, you can ignore studies and personal observations if you choose to, but that doesn't make you right - it's clearly not "New Age" crap, but actuality.

Originally Posted by Multiland
And you speak of a "terrible blow" - what terrible blow? That she's supposedly dead? You have no proof she is.

How many times do I have to say this? There is a chance she's alive, but she probably isn't. Comprenez?

"Probably" = "Very likely". It's not very likely she is not alive. And "Comprenez?", wtf?


Originally Posted by Multiland
Who are you to judge if it's "likely"?

Somebody with a rudimentary knowledge of statistics.

So someone who is in no better position to judge than anyone else, but who thinks they are because they happen to know a bit about statistics.

Originally Posted by Multiland
It may not be "usual" based on comparing it with other kids who have gone missing and turned up dead, but that doesn't mean it's unlikely.

Unless there's something unusual about this situation which makes it more likely that she'll be alive then the odds are still against it. Sorry.

Erm do you watch the news? As many people keep pointing out, this has had a massive amount of coverage. Police believe she may have been abducted for the purposes of a paedophile ring - hence she would have to be alive for her to be abused in a way that will be attractive to paedophiles, and due to the coverage and at least once recent plausible reported sighting, the person who kidnapped her would almost certainly be worried loads now - and murdering her aint gonna help him/her avoid the police. So no need to be sorry for what you just said.


Originally Posted by Multiland
And I choose not to explain why I believe what I believe at this moment in time.

So you rant at me and scream "How can you know she's dead!!1!!" when you're not even prepared to explain why you think she's still alive? Wow, my bullshit detector's going wild.

I didn't rant or scream at you - if you think everyone who disagrees with you is ranting and raving then frankly you have serious issues. What I want to explain is my business, just as what anyone else, including you, wants to explain is their business. Your bullshit detector needs retuning.
RLI Rides Again
19-05-2007, 21:55
-snip-

I'm going to say it once more in the hope you'll actually read and understand it this time:

I never once said that it was IMPOSSIBLE that she was alive, I said that it was UNLIKELY. Unlikely things happen sometimes, rolling three sixes on three dice for example, but that doesn't mean it's likely or that you should expect it. Neither did I say that the police should stop looking, only that nobody should get their hopes up and that they should prepare for the worst.

You've persistently misrepresented me in your posts so I don't see any point in continuing to post in this thread.
Multiland
19-05-2007, 21:58
I'm going to say it once more in the hope you'll actually read and understand it this time:

I never once said that it was IMPOSSIBLE that she was alive, I said that it was UNLIKELY. Unlikely things happen sometimes, rolling three sixes on three dice for example, but that doesn't mean it's likely or that you should expect it. Neither did I say that the police should stop looking, only that nobody should get their hopes up and that they should prepare for the worst.

But it's not unlikely, and people should not prepare for the worst.

You've persistently misrepresented me in your posts so I don't see any point in continuing to post in this thread.

Excellent. It should never have became a debate anyway - it was originally a simple post aimed to help a little girl.
The Infinite Dunes
20-05-2007, 09:40
The only people who I think this is really benefiting is the media. Viewing figures are up by how much?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2083248,00.html
Madeleine McCann has been missing for over two weeks and responding to her plight doesn't rely on being able to do anything about it. But if you went online yesterday, seeking an outlet for your sympathy, you would have been confronted by a confusing and in some quarters horrifying array of options. The dozens of sites and subsites that have sprung up in the last fortnight - findmaddie.com, help_find_madeleine_mccann.com, givemaddieback.com, hopeformaddy.com and the misspelt findmadeline.com - were of such breadth and randomness that by yesterday morning, the appeal set up by the McCann family, www.bringmadeleinehome.com, was forced to identify itself as The Official Website To Find Madeleine McCann. It is noticeable that, bar in the context of an abbreviated text message, nowhere on the site is she referred to as "Maddie".

In these days of mass media sophistication, no one needs it explaining to them that where a child who gets kidnapped is news, a pretty child who gets kidnapped is headline news and a pretty child who gets kidnapped and whose parents save lives for a living and go to church is rolling news. Even so, in the days since she disappeared, the Madeleine campaign has, for scale of involvement, outdone anything we've seen before. There are 90 different Madeleine-related groups on Facebook alone, circulating her photo to user communities of between six and 76,000 members. The official website has registered 60m hits and posters of her have been seen in campsites as far away as Bulgaria, translated into local languages via appeals put out by bloggers. At least four premiership football stars have made TV appeals and there is reward money on offer totalling some £2.5m.

It was the point at which big business started to get involved, however - BAA, the British airports operator, is carrying the "help find Madeleine" message on its website - and yellow ribbons began appearing on all benches in the House of Commons, that people started to feel a little uneasy. While the BBC flew out Huw Edwards to look apocalyptic, live from Praia Da Luz, people started to ask how much of this was actually helping, and why people were doing it.
Multiland
20-05-2007, 15:05
The only people who I think this is really benefiting is the media. Viewing figures are up by how much?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2083248,00.html

Thanks for the information about the websites. The original post has been edited accordingly.
Swilatia
20-05-2007, 16:22
Excellent. It should never have became a debate anyway - it was originally a simple post aimed to help a little girl.

Well, here's a little news flash: If you don't want something to turn into some debate, don't post it on NSG.
OcceanDrive
20-05-2007, 16:40
...then call this number, anonymously:

+441883731336 (in the UK call 0800 555 111)

Madeleine McCann was abducted in Praia Da Luz, Portugal on
3rd May 2007. She has a distinctive "black flash" in her right eye, which is where her pupil runs into her iris First: I feel sorry for the girl and the family.

before I start commenting further.

Are you.. or anyone here Related to the poor girl. ??
Cranhadan Selective
20-05-2007, 16:48
I'm bored sick of hearing about Madeline , The british news just can't stop talking about her even when there is nothing new to report , that and celebrities are abusing the kindnapping as a way to get more publicity by donating money to the "cause".

(Abusing as in using it as a excuse to try and get more publicity)
Bodies Without Organs
20-05-2007, 16:51
Sending Our Love Down A Well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpeizpjU8Hs)
Cranhadan Selective
20-05-2007, 16:53
To the people who claimed she's dead:

First off, you don't know whether she is or isn't dead (in fact there have been more than enough incidents of people being found years after going missing) and second, negative thoughts aren't the best idea.

Madeleine is alive and she WILL be found.


What makes you so sure she is alive and let alone going to be found? The odds aren't all that good but there is a chance the kidnapper might do something to help the capture of the girl (Without him being caught) so he/she could get the rewards money.
Herspegova
20-05-2007, 17:37
I wasn't really too moved by this to begin with. Had this been a Muslim girl of British origin I doubt there would be such a great commotion about it.
Then I heard of this 'Team McCann' nonsense.
Northern Borders
20-05-2007, 17:47
In my opinion, all this media broadcast only hindered the efforts. The guy who kidnaper her must be scared out of his mind. If he gets caught, the media and public opinion will fall upon him like the hammer of god against the sinners.

I doubt he will send her back.
I doubt he will try to get the money. Too many questions.
I doubt he will try to sell her or dump her anywhere.

Meaning he has to get rid of her. That is the safest way to do it.
Desperate Measures
20-05-2007, 19:12
Why aren't more people angry at the parents for leaving their children alone?
Multiland
20-05-2007, 19:37
Why aren't more people angry at the parents for leaving their children alone?

I'm sure they are. I am certainly very pissed off that they were CLEARLY not looking after their kids properly (whatever excuses anyone uses, leaving little kids alone in an apartment while you go out and enjoy yourself is NOT looking after kids properly).

But that doesn't change the fact Madeleine has been abducted and needs to be found. That's not saying other kids don't need to be found. Finding one kid is better than finding no kids.
Desperate Measures
20-05-2007, 19:40
I'm sure they are. I am certainly very pissed off that they were CLEARLY not looking after their kids properly (whatever excuses anyone uses, leaving little kids alone in an apartment while you go out and enjoy yourself is NOT looking after kids properly).

But that doesn't change the fact Madeleine has been abducted and needs to be found. That's not saying other kids don't need to be found. Finding one kid is better than finding no kids.

I'm not saying that at all. Find all the kids that are missing. I'm with you.

I'm just saying that shouldn't criminal charges be in order against the parents? Even if in the end they are found innocent?
Multiland
20-05-2007, 19:43
I'm not saying that at all. Find all the kids that are missing. I'm with you.

I'm just saying that shouldn't criminal charges be in order against the parents? Even if in the end they are found innocent?

Yep. Criminal charges should be brought (at the very least they should get an official caution and criminal record for stupidity), but that stuff can be done later.
The Infinite Dunes
20-05-2007, 19:43
Why aren't more people angry at the parents for leaving their children alone?I don't think it's the best parenting in the world. Either take your young daughter everywhere on holiday or leave her behind with a friend or her grandparents if you want a break from parenting.

However, I don't think anyone, including you (so don't take this as an attack), would say that the family deserve to have their child go missing as a result. And to to be fair their parenting skills are still far and above the likes that we have heard of on NSG. At least she didn't die because they gagged her with tape or refused to feed her breast milk.
The blessed Chris
20-05-2007, 19:46
I'm sure they are. I am certainly very pissed off that they were CLEARLY not looking after their kids properly (whatever excuses anyone uses, leaving little kids alone in an apartment while you go out and enjoy yourself is NOT looking after kids properly).

But that doesn't change the fact Madeleine has been abducted and needs to be found. That's not saying other kids don't need to be found. Finding one kid is better than finding no kids.

Yawn. Sorry, but whilst I agree with the post, I'm bored with the perpetual coverage it recieves. It's a human interest item, in which the same moral platitudes, pleas and statements have been made every fucking hour of every fucking day since she went missing. I do feel great sympathy for her, and her family, however, it has been grossly inflated as a story by the media.
Desperate Measures
20-05-2007, 19:56
I don't think it's the best parenting in the world. Either take your young daughter everywhere on holiday or leave her behind with a friend or her grandparents if you want a break from parenting.

However, I don't think anyone, including you (so don't take this as an attack), would say that the family deserve to have their child go missing as a result. And to to be fair their parenting skills are still far and above the likes that we have heard of on NSG. At least she didn't die because they gagged her with tape or refused to feed her breast milk.
I would never wish that on anybody but I especially wouldn't ever in my wildest dreams see justice in punishing a child for the faults of the parents. I'm also not saying that they got what the deserved. But the children were alone and far too young to be on their own but I do not know all the details. It just seems that as much as it is brought up that the parents were out to dinner, it is being dismissed in the next breath.
IL Ruffino
20-05-2007, 22:26
Seriously love your threads.. :rolleyes:
ARealAdvance
20-05-2007, 23:20
I lived right by where she was taken for 16 years and my parents always left me alone even when I was 2 or 3. Kind of scary when I think it could have been me. Wasn't she she last seen in Morocco or something...theres no way shes still in the country or if she is she's probably not alive. I hope they can find her, her family must be in hell right now I feel so bad for them.
OcceanDrive
20-05-2007, 23:27
Shame that there is not the same level of concern for the ten million children who die each year from starvation, malnutrition and poverty.Really? I'm not aware of any huge concert in hyde park being made for Madeleine, or a multi million world wide selling single.pathetic.