Daddy Dobson swears he won't back Giuliani in 2008
The Nazz
18-05-2007, 20:46
Here's his claim (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55743). If Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee for president, Dobson won't vote for him.
My conclusion from this closer look at the current GOP front-runner comes down to this: Speaking as a private citizen and not on behalf of any organization or party, I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision. If given a Hobson's – Dobson's? – choice between him and Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran – or if worse comes to worst – not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life. My conscience and my moral convictions will allow me to do nothing else.
So here's the question. Do you believe him? Or do you think he'll find a way to justify a vote for Rudy if he wins the nomination? I'm betting on the latter.
Ashmoria
18-05-2007, 20:59
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isnt giuliani a bit too catholic for dobson to vote for him anyway?
and not all that good a catholic at that since he didnt (as far as i know) get a catholic annulllment of his second marriage in order to marry his 3rd wife?
maybe he'll make some kind of deal with giuliani if he gets the nomination but until that happens i think he'll work against his nomination.
The Nazz
18-05-2007, 20:59
maybe he'll make some kind of deal with giuliani if he gets the nomination but until that happens i think he'll work against his nomination.
No doubt. Dobson probably has dreams of Brownback nomination, maybe Huckabee, but in the end, I don't see him actively working against a Republican nominee no matter who it is.
The Nazz
18-05-2007, 21:01
There's a lot of game left. Besides, it's only one vote. The real question is whether he will actively campaign against Giuliani and drag a substantial segment of the electorate with him. How much influence doe Dobson have?
That's a good question, and I suspect the answer is "less than he thinks he has." But he likes to think of himself as a player these days, what with his conference calls with Bush and whatnot, so I don't see him deserting the party no matter who the nominee is.
Myrmidonisia
18-05-2007, 21:01
Here's his claim (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55743). If Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee for president, Dobson won't vote for him.
So here's the question. Do you believe him? Or do you think he'll find a way to justify a vote for Rudy if he wins the nomination? I'm betting on the latter.
There's a lot of game left. Besides, it's only one vote. The real question is whether he will actively campaign against Giuliani and drag a substantial segment of the electorate with him. How much influence doe Dobson have?
Ashmoria
18-05-2007, 21:08
That's a good question, and I suspect the answer is "less than he thinks he has." But he likes to think of himself as a player these days, what with his conference calls with Bush and whatnot, so I don't see him deserting the party no matter who the nominee is.
yeah, its hard to give up the kind of power he thinks he has.
which, i suppose, is why hes coming out early on this. to put the fear of god into the non religious republicans that he might be able to ruin rudy's election chances by convincing the religious right to stay home. so maybe they wont nominate him.
i dont see him doing it but i also dont see rudy staying in bed with the likes of dobson. if he gets elected he's not going to be the bitch of the religious right.
Andaluciae
18-05-2007, 21:10
A pro-choice Republican is a wonderful thing. If the party comes back in line with the modern world, I might even join back up!
The Loyal Opposition
18-05-2007, 21:17
Here's his claim (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55743). If Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee for president, Dobson won't vote for him.
So here's the question. Do you believe him? Or do you think he'll find a way to justify a vote for Rudy if he wins the nomination? I'm betting on the latter.
What with the secret ballot, any individual can pretty much say whatever they want about who they voted for.
I would assume that the "I won't vote for <candidate>" will rapidly turn into a "I dislike <candidate>, but I dislike <other candidate/party> even more...battle against evil...everything is different now...why do you hate children?...praise Jebus!" upon arrival at the assigned voting location.
EDIT: Actually, Mr. Dobson might be on to a rather clever ruse. Since the single vote of an individual makes essentially no different in and of itself, he can free-ride on the electoral efforts of all the other masses of people voting Republican. Hypothetically, millions of people vote for and elect a Republican president. Mr. Dobson gets the party/president he secretly prefers, but then can still claim the moral high ground by honestly saying he didn't vote for a morally dubious candidate. It's win-win.
Very good, Mr. Dobson. You've been studying your collective action problem theory.