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Jeebus, the Guardian has all the integrity of a student newspaper. Have they not heard of proofreaders?

I was reading this (http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2082823,00.html) and this (http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,2083028,00.html) and I discovered these lovely gems.
The BA chairman, Martin Broughton, leapt to his chairman's defence when Mr Walsh was asked if the scandal will undermine his position, saying he rule breaches "were not under Willie's watch, the allegations started in 2002". This was three years before Mr Walsh joined BA from Aer Lingus.
Corporation have insiders attacked the show's distributor for "unrealistic and greedy" demands during the negotiations.
If they can get things as simple as this wrong, then what else might they be getting wrong?

English is harder than you might think. Especially for cats.

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I'm not really seeing a blantant error in the first one. It's awkward, yes, but correct as far as I can tell.

I'm not really seeing a blantant error in the first one. It's awkward, yes, but correct as far as I can tell.

Saying that the chairman jumped to the defense of his chairman is not correct.

Saying that the chairman jumped to the defense of his chairman is not correct.

Ah! There it is.

As a member of the NUJ and a student journalist, I have to defend the Guardian. Yes, they cock-up. Ever tried editing a paper at 2am when print deadline is 3am and you've not slept for a day? No? Then don't criticise.

The Guardian has an excellent record with corrections and clarifications, and has no more or less errors than any other major newspaper - and unlike some *cough*Sun*cough* it doesn't make any stories up, either.

wot yu sayin i see nuffink wrong wiv the spellingz it luuks gr8 englizh 2 me

wot yu sayin i see nuffink wrong wiv the spellingz it luuks gr8 englizh 2 me

Fnar, you win the thread. :p

Jeebus, the Guardian has all the integrity of a student newspaper.
I think that's part of its appeal. It feels like it was pulled together by a group of carefree idealists with nothing better to do. The occasional typos just add to the flavour. :)

As a member of the NUJ and a student journalist, I have to defend the Guardian. Yes, they cock-up. Ever tried editing a paper at 2am when print deadline is 3am and you've not slept for a day? No? Then don't criticise.

The Guardian has an excellent record with corrections and clarifications, and has no more or less errors than any other major newspaper - and unlike some *cough*Sun*cough* it doesn't make any stories up, either.

Indeed. The spelling errors are more than made up for by the papers integrity, factual accuracy and journalistic merit.

As a member of the NUJ and a student journalist, I have to defend the Guardian. Yes, they cock-up. Ever tried editing a paper at 2am when print deadline is 3am and you've not slept for a day? No? Then don't criticise.

The Guardian has an excellent record with corrections and clarifications, and has no more or less errors than any other major newspaper - and unlike some *cough*Sun*cough* it doesn't make any stories up, either.No, you're right, the Guardian is better than that. It simply selectively reports the facts. To paraphrase -
ZOMG! Teh polize hav already used tazers 6 times since that month wot is at the beginning of teh yr. The police guy is saying that they is safe though, but they is made by dem americuns, so wot does he know.

Well, actually, that kinda depends by what you mean by 'use'. If you mean to deploy and take to the scene of a disturbance then yes, but if mean to actually physically fire the tazer so that it actually hits someone and incapacitates someone... then... uh... no... it's only been used twice in that sense. But I didn't think that was important, so I thought I'd let you know about it in a separate paragraph. But, hey, at least I let you know - this isn't the Sun you know.

I think that's part of its appeal. It feels like it was pulled together by a group of carefree idealists with nothing better to do. The occasional typos just add to the flavour. :)Having had a former journalist for the Guardian complain bitterly about the rabid elitism that occurs within the organisation, I'm afraid I hold no such romantic views of the paper.

Indeed I get the general impression that the entire purpose of G2 is to provide middle England with a way in which to conspicuously consume, or rather recycle, every morning.

No, you're right, the Guardian is better than that. It simply selectively reports the facts.
You say that like reporting "all" the facts is possible. All reporting is subjective. What the Guardian does have going for it, as part of the whole studenty feel, is that you are under no pretense that it is a neutral and complete source of news when you read it, while at the same time being at least reasonably informative and interesting.

Having had a former journalist for the Guardian complain bitterly about the rabid elitism that occurs within the organisation, I'm afraid I hold no such romantic views of the paper.

Indeed I get the general impression that the entire purpose of G2 is to provide middle England with a way in which to conspicuously consume, or rather recycle, every morning.

I think you are letting the musli eaters off lightly....

I think you are letting the musli eaters off lightly....
A Daily Mail reader, are we? :p

A Daily Mail reader, are we? :p

What makes you think that?

A Daily Mail reader, are we? :p

As much of one as the people giving this book glowing reviews, I'm guessing

Littlejohn's Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/customer-reviews/0091795680/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/026-7389726-4802835?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=266239)

Newspapers make mistakes? Stop the presses!

Seriously, though. I've got a choice at school between the Daily Mail and the Guardian. I know which I'd rather read any day.

As much of one as the people giving this book glowing reviews, I'm guessing

Littlejohn's Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/customer-reviews/0091795680/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/026-7389726-4802835?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=266239)
I loved the G2 review:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/digestedread/story/0,,2079840,00.html

As much of one as the people reviewing this book, I'm guessing

Littlejohn's Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/customer-reviews/0091795680/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/026-7389726-4802835?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=266239)

:D

Littlejohn, Bushel and the rest of the motley crew of rightwing knuckledraggers are good for one thing. To laugh at. Bit like the musli eaters...

Newspapers make mistakes? Stop the presses!

Seriously, though. I've got a choice at school between the Daily Mail and the Guardian. I know which I'd rather read any day.

How do you mean? They supply you with newspapers everyday?

Jesus...no wonder education is fucked in this country.

How do you mean? They supply you with newspapers everyday?
Well, I think it's for the teachers, but it's open to 6th form too. They occasionally get the Times too, but I just plain can't read it.

Jesus...no wonder education is fucked in this country.
I, from first hand experience, would blame shite teaching.:rolleyes:

You say that like reporting "all" the facts is possible. All reporting is subjective. What the Guardian does have going for it, as part of the whole studenty feel, is that you are under no pretense that it is a neutral and complete source of news when you read it, while at the same time being at least reasonably informative and interesting.Perhaps 'all' was the wrong choice word. In essence, what I meant to say is, the Guardian does not seem to be immune to sensationalism.

Let's play a game - Guardian or tabloid headline?
Cop liked Tasers so much, he took 50,000 volts / Stun sting on top cop / Tasered... and it hurts like hell!

At least the Sun headline rolls off the tongue.

I think you are letting the musli eaters off lightly....Eh? I've not come across that term before. Are you refering the paper or middle England?

What makes you think that?Well... you did quote that daily mail article the other month. ;)

Well, I think it's for the teachers, but it's open to 6th form too. They occasionally get the Times too, but I just plain can't read it.

6th former...ok I can understand that...I (sorry sorry sorry) thought you were younger...5th...

when I was in 6th form we had papers to read for our 'General Studies' course.

I made the school comment as I cannot think of any educational value reading a paper nowadays brings to the classroom outside of referencing for a school project. Our newspapers are polarised to the extent that what kind of paper one reads predicates (for many) how they react to a person.

I, from first hand experience, would blame shite teaching.:rolleyes:

Shit teaching, shit government interference, shit parents, shit schools, shit equipment, shit lessons.


For my sins I read (well I have pretty much given up) the Indy.

The Times....cracks me up....when the Sex Pistols did Never Mind the Bollocks the Times was incandescent with anti punk rage. Funny that last week I noticed they were advertising 'Re-live your Punk days with our special offer Sex Pistols DVD'.

:headbang:

Eh? I've not come across that term before. Are you refering the paper or middle England?

Well... you did quote that daily mail article the other month. ;)

The wishy washy liberal 'nanny knows best' vegetarian sweater wearing part of 'Middle England'.

Yes. That smarmy scented candles, no hunting ever, in fact lets tax breathing coz all the germs die when inhaled...won't someone think of the germs type of white middle england green supporting crypto-fascist who at the first sign of things becoming difficult whine to everyone about the injustice of their flat tire instead of breaking out the tool kit and fucking well fixing it.

Damn...I nearly started ranting there.

I did indeed quote a Daily Mail story. If its an interesting story why limit yourself? Still does not in anyway mean I read the Daily Mail nor think the Daily Mail is worthy of wiping my arse with. Which its not. Paper is too hard. Now the Grauniad....perfect ;)

So what do you read then, Dunes? Apart from the 'Eye :p

Also, I am delighted to hear that neighbours is finally gone.

6th former...ok I can understand that...I (sorry sorry sorry) thought you were younger...5th...
:(

when I was in 6th form we had papers to read for our 'General Studies' course.

I made the school comment as I cannot think of any educational value reading a paper nowadays brings to the classroom outside of referencing for a school project. Our newspapers are polarised to the extent that what kind of paper one reads predicates (for many) how they react to a person.
I can't disagree with that, although I don't think you'd have to read a newspaper in order to pass General Studies, the only references they have to the news is something so blindingly obvious you could watch Have I got News for You and get it. Persoanlly, I think it's a load of horseshit. I did optional critical thinking AS, which is the other government-mandated A level, and I think is much more useful.

Shit teaching, shit government interference, shit parents, shit schools, shit equipment, shit lessons.
Well, that's not all true. I was exaggerating a bit, but I've been a bit hacked off this year, mainly with biology. It's not his fault that one of my teachers was off, but they could have replaced him and not given us 'her...' for four hours a week. If they could do it for the AS students, they could do it for us.

It gets better at my mum's school (she works as an LSA in the Infants' across the road), where she has to spend hours and hours and hours of paperwork every day, 'cause the government changes the course all the time. Added, their budget is the same as ten years ago, so they've had effectively cuts each year from inflation, but forced to hire more office staff to do their bureaucracy. They rely on donations of tissue paper and bog roll.

Which is a shame, because the school itself is really good.

For my sins I read (well I have pretty much given up) the Indy.
Guardian, which I'm regularly chastised for by our local Tory activists.

The Times....cracks me up....when the Sex Pistols did Never Mind the Bollocks the Times was incandescent with anti punk rage. Funny that last week I noticed they were advertising 'Re-live your Punk days with our special offer Sex Pistols DVD'.

:headbang:
Well, at least they offer DVDs made in the last 100 years, unlike the Mail.

The wishy washy liberal 'nanny knows best' vegetarian sweater wearing part of 'Middle England'.

Yes. That smarmy scented candles, no hunting ever, in fact lets tax breathing coz all the germs die when inhaled...won't someone think of the germs type of white middle england green supporting crypto-fascist who at the first sign of things becoming difficult whine to everyone about the injustice of their flat tire instead of breaking out the tool kit and fucking well fixing it.

Damn...I nearly started ranting there.Almost... but it's so fun, so why resist?

I did indeed quote a Daily Mail story. If its an interesting story why limit yourself? Still does not in anyway mean I read the Daily Mail nor think the Daily Mail is worthy of wiping my arse with. Which its not. Paper is too hard. Now the Grauniad....perfect ;)That reminds of a Soviet joke about Pravda.

The editor of Pravda is worried about declining circulation of the newspaper and fears ne may be chucked in jail. Therefore he decides to take a tour of the USSR and ask what is the worst thing about Pravda. But no one's willing to say anything for fear that he's a KGB agent. Finally he finds one man who is willing to speak to him in private. The editor asks his question and the man replies 'the ink is too dark'. The editor is perplexed and asks why the darkness of the ink matters. The man replies 'Why? Because my ass is so black'.

oh, and -
This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “When Nixon visited Moscow, he and Khrushchev ran around the Kremlin in a race. Nixon came the first. How should our media report on that?”

We’re answering: “The report should be as follows: ‘In the international running competition the General Secretary of the Communist Party took the honorable second place.’ Mister Nixon came in one before last.”

So what do you read then, Dunes? Apart from the 'Eye :p

Also, I am delighted to hear that neighbours is finally gone.The Guardian. It's a congenital defect.

Other than that, I mainly use the beeb.

For an interesting comparison of print media in Britain and America, have a look at How To Lose Friends And Alienate People by Toby Young. I get the impression that American publishers spend ages proof-reading and checking their most minor details, while British newspapers are run by drunks. However, at least our papers are independent and principled.

However, at least our papers are independent and principled.Are you talking about American papers or British papers?

:(

Yeah well I did apologise!


I can't disagree with that, although I don't think you'd have to read a newspaper in order to pass General Studies, the only references they have to the news is something so blindingly obvious you could watch Have I got News for You and get it. Persoanlly, I think it's a load of horseshit. I did optional critical thinking AS, which is the other government-mandated A level, and I think is much more useful.

In my day you did. Critical Thinking...thats a new one!

Well, that's not all true. I was exaggerating a bit, but I've been a bit hacked off this year, mainly with biology. It's not his fault that one of my teachers was off, but they could have replaced him and not given us 'her...' for four hours a week. If they could do it for the AS students, they could do it for us.

Well yes and no...there is alot of truth in what I said. However it affects people in different ways in different areas of the country.

It gets better at my mum's school (she works as an LSA in the Infants' across the road), where she has to spend hours and hours and hours of paperwork every day, 'cause the government changes the course all the time. Added, their budget is the same as ten years ago, so they've had effectively cuts each year from inflation, but forced to hire more office staff to do their bureaucracy. They rely on donations of tissue paper and bog roll.

That just pisses me off. Cut the Sec of Ed pay and use it to buy bog roll. Could well be one of the best executive decision to ever come out of the Dept Of Ed or whatever its called this week.


Which is a shame, because the school itself is really good.

Why do we seem to punish good schools?


Guardian, which I'm regularly chastised for by our local Tory activists.

Sorry mate....I ain't crying.


Well, at least they offer DVDs made in the last 100 years, unlike the Mail.

Ouch! LOLOL

Almost... but it's so fun, so why resist?

Coz it really winds me up and then I get in a foul mood for at least two days.

That reminds of a Soviet joke about Pravda.

The editor of Pravda is worried about declining circulation of the newspaper and fears ne may be chucked in jail. Therefore he decides to take a tour of the USSR and ask what is the worst thing about Pravda. But no one's willing to say anything for fear that he's a KGB agent. Finally he finds one man who is willing to speak to him in private. The editor asks his question and the man replies 'the ink is too dark'. The editor is perplexed and asks why the darkness of the ink matters. The man replies 'Why? Because my ass is so black'.

oh, and -
This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “When Nixon visited Moscow, he and Khrushchev ran around the Kremlin in a race. Nixon came the first. How should our media report on that?”

We’re answering: “The report should be as follows: ‘In the international running competition the General Secretary of the Communist Party took the honorable second place.’ Mister Nixon came in one before last.”

The old ones are the best :) I remember those from way back...LOL cheers!

For an interesting comparison of print media in Britain and America, have a look at How To Lose Friends And Alienate People by Toby Young. I get the impression that American publishers spend ages proof-reading and checking their most minor details, while British newspapers are run by drunks. However, at least our papers are independent and principled.

errr....a good starting point might be Lord Beaverbrook.

Independent and principled....I nearly choked on me dinner!

Yeah well I did apologise!
I know.

In my day you did. Critical Thinking...thats a new one!
Basically how to argue, which is great, because I love to nitpick.

Well yes and no...there is alot of truth in what I said. However it affects people in different ways in different areas of the country.
Probably depends on what party your LEA is controlled by. I wouldn't expect too many grants to a Tory council.

That just pisses me off. Cut the Sec of Ed pay and use it to buy bog roll. Could well be one of the best executive decision to ever come out of the Dept Of Ed or whatever its called this week.
The thought had crossed my mind. While we're at it, I'd cut all their pay.

Why do we seem to punish good schools?
SO we can fund city academies, of course. Personally, I think it's a farce. Under performing schools are 'sold' off at the taxpayer's expense. Over performing schools get extra inspections and budget cuts.

Sorry mate....I ain't crying.
I don't. In fact, I think it's hilarious.

Ouch! LOLOL
LOLOL indeed.

Jeebus, the Guardian has all the integrity of a student newspaper. Have they not heard of proofreaders?

I was reading this (http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2082823,00.html) and this (http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,2083028,00.html) and I discovered these lovely gems.


If they can get things as simple as this wrong, then what else might they be getting wrong?

I resent that. I'm part of a student newspaper in my college, we can't afford proofreaders, but we still don't have any errors more serious than the occasional typo. As a matter of fact, we can't afford anything, apart from a few packs of chewing gum. We put ourselves in debt to print the damn thing.

I know.

:thumbsup:


Basically how to argue, which is great, because I love to nitpick.

I would think that was one aspect for certain...we did not have anything like that. Maybe its a good thing that its in the curriculum...I would really like to see that in the lower forms as well...when to argue and when not to argue...bliss!


Probably depends on what party your LEA is controlled by. I wouldn't expect too many grants to a Tory council.

I'll tell you something for nothing...the LEA system and the Government educational policy seem to be mutually exclusive. Neither seems to have the best interests of the child in mind...let alone the interests of the country.


The thought had crossed my mind. While we're at it, I'd cut all their pay.

Personally I think they should not be paid beyond subsistence and expenses.


SO we can fund city academies, of course. Personally, I think it's a farce. Under performing schools are 'sold' off at the taxpayer's expense. Over performing schools get extra inspections and budget cuts.

God I remember when the Tories first mooted the idea of 'independent state funded academies'. It was ripped to shreds then...as the city academies are now.


I don't. In fact, I think it's hilarious.

Now thats the best attitude! Kudos!


LOLOL indeed.

yeah well I get excited sometimes!LOL

I resent that. I'm part of a student newspaper in my college, we can't afford proofreaders, but we still don't have any errors more serious than the occasional typo. As a matter of fact, we can't afford anything, apart from a few packs of chewing gum. We put ourselves in debt to print the damn thing.Ah, well my own university's student newspaper is a mini version of the Guardian: berliner format, layout, typos and all.