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It's that time of undeterminate length of time, possibly week, for another "Popular Bands You Hate..." thread.

NSG Musical Hall of Shame!
Nickelback: Worst Alternative Band
Elvis Presley: Worst Band With Staying Power
The Entire Genre of Nu Metal: Worst Metal Genre
Limp Bizkit: Worst Nu Metal Band.
Sex Pistols: Worst Punk Band (Narrowly beating out the entire genre of punk.)

Once again, we are open to nominations. Keep in mind that these bands must be popular and/or influential.

Shit. I accidentally voted "Power Metal Sucks". Ah well.

If anyone nominates Dragonforce, heads will roll. :)

I think Europe would count as a power metal band.

I think Europe would count as a power metal band.

The continent? :eek:

If anyone nominates Dragonforce, heads will roll. :)

You realize you just insured someone is going to nominate Dragonforce, don't you?

Dragonforce. Bland.

You realize you just insured someone is going to nominate Dragonforce, don't you?

Yeah, probably. But someone probably would have anyway.
For example:
Dragonforce. Bland.

*decapitates*

The continent? :eek:No, the band.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_%28band%29

Though wiki says they're hard rock, so nevermind.

If anyone nominates Dragonforce, heads will roll. :)

I like Dragonforce loads, but I couldn't care less if people vote them as worst - because my appreciation of their music is based purely on the music itself and not dumb people's opinions of it.

*decapitates*

Oh, I dunno, if you hadn't mentioned them, I might have forgotten and nominated Rhapsody of Fire, but, see, I actually like some of RoF's work.

I dunno, they all suck so bad, it's hard to single one out.

Oh, I dunno, if you hadn't mentioned them, I might have forgotten and nominated Rhapsody of Fire, but, see, I actually like some of RoF's work.

Actually, that's a point. I nominate Rhapsody of Fire - not to get back at you (because that's a bit sad...) - but they just grate with me.

Actually, that's a point. I nominate Rhapsody of Fire - not to get back at you (because that's a bit sad...) - but they just grate with me.

Why would it be getting back at me anyway? I was about to nominate them. :p

While we're nominating, let's toss up a few likely receivers for votes:

- Sonata Arctica
- Blind Guardian
- (New) Helloween

Demons&Wizards
Iced Earth (or are they too trashy?)

Is there a least worst power metal band?

I'm gonna have to second Dragonforce. Dragonforce is teh lame.

I don't get what people don't like about Dragonforce. To my ears, it sounds a lot more energetic and interesting than other power metal bands. But, each to their own, I suppose.

I seriously thought for so long that dragon force was just a parody. I only watched them to laugh.

Is there a least worst power metal band?

:rolleyes:

What's with the power-metal hate?

I seriously thought for so long that dragon force was just a parody. I only watched them to laugh.

You watch music? I listen to it.

You watch music? I listen to it.

Ok, whats so great about dragon force then?

Ok, whats so great about dragon force then?

I already said, I like the sound. It's got a lot of energy and intricacy, I guess. I'm not a musician myself, so I don't know the terminology, but I listen to a fair bit of music, and I like what they do.

:rolleyes:

What's with the power-metal hate?

It's horrifically cheesy. Power metal wreaks of extra-old cheddar topped with romano and limburger. TROGDORR!!!!

It's horrifically cheesy. Power metal wreaks of extra-old cheddar topped with romano and limburger. TROGDORR!!!!

Well, not all of it is. A lot certainly is (especially crap like Dragonforce), but like every genre, not every Power Metal band is music for D&D geeks.

Then again, as a committed D&D geek, I don't mind either way.

I already said, I like the sound. It's got a lot of energy and intricacy, I guess. I'm not a musician myself, so I don't know the terminology, but I listen to a fair bit of music, and I like what they do.

Well thats not enough to convince me i'm afraind. (Although i'm sure you couldn't care less).

Well, not all of it is. A lot certainly is (especially crap like Dragonforce), but like every genre, not every Power Metal band is music for D&D geeks.

Then again, as a committed D&D geek, I don't mind either way.

I like D&D, I'm obsessive enough to come up with my own campaign setting for it.

There's just nothing I like about power metal. I find it incredibly boring. Anything good about it is done better in other metal genres and everything bad about it makes me want to laugh or just turn it off. I think I prefer nu-metal to power metal, and I hate nu-metal, alot.

I don't get what people don't like about Dragonforce. To my ears, it sounds a lot more energetic and interesting than other power metal bands. But, each to their own, I suppose.

They take themselves too seriously.

I'll nominate Europe. They are in the wikipedia article on Power Metal, so they count. The final countdown is awesome, but really everything else they've done isn't good.

"popular power metal band" ???

...

please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks this is extremely funny.

Poll's up.

They take themselves too seriously.
Who cares? They make nice music.

*can't bring herself to vote* I like them all!

We’re getting a bit niche now, aren’t we?

Soon it’ll be ‘Worst Popular Minimal Psychedelic Acid House Jazz Band’.

Well thats not enough to convince me i'm afraind. (Although i'm sure you couldn't care less).
Well, I'm happy for our tastes to differ, I was merely interested in investigating the subject. :)

They take themselves too seriously.
Really? I thought Dragonforce were supposed to be a more fun kind of band. I don't really pay that much attention to interviews and stuff, but I got the that impression.

We’re getting a bit niche now, aren’t we?

Soon it’ll be ‘Worst Popular Minimal Psychedelic Acid House Jazz Band’.

And it will be awesome.

Well, I'm happy for our tastes to differ, I was merely interested in investigating the subject. :)


Really? I thought Dragonforce were supposed to be a more fun kind of band. I don't really pay that much attention to interviews and stuff, but I got the that impression.

I got the impression I had from Wikipedia.

Manowar.

Really surprised they aren't on here...

I already said, I like the sound. It's got a lot of energy and intricacy, I guess. I'm not a musician myself, so I don't know the terminology, but I listen to a fair bit of music, and I like what they do.Ever seen them live? Great fun.

They take themselves too seriously.
I would say the opposite, really. The gig I went to, they spent most of the night taking the piss out of each other and the audience, while still playing well. They may be a bit repetetive, but what they do, they pull off very well.

Sex Pistols: Worst Punk Band (Narrowly beating out the entire genre of punk.)


This doesn't surprise me, given the overall music taste of this forum. Sad, yet hilarious.

On the whole I would rather listen to sheep being mutilated by a power saw than listen to power metal bands.

And I am a D&D geek.

On the whole I would rather listen to sheep being mutilated by a power saw than listen to power metal bands.

And I am a D&D geek.

Don't diss Dio. He rocks.

I'd really have to nominate Hammerfall. They are everything that is bad with power metal.

Don't diss Dio. He rocks.

Wait...I know this can't really be what you meant, but it SOUNDED like you were saying Dio sounds like sheep being mutilated by a power saw.

If anyone nominates Dragonforce, heads will roll. :)
I'll one up that, i'll vote for them!:)

On the whole I would rather listen to sheep being mutilated by a power saw than listen to power metal bands.

And I am a D&D geek.

Isn't Iron Maiden power metal? Did you just diss Iron Maiden?

Isn't Iron Maiden power metal? Did you just diss Iron Maiden?

Iron Maiden are NWOBHM or arguably speed metal. Some people choose to overlook the beginnings of speed metal and use it as a synonym for thrash metal.

Speed metal evolved two different ways, power metal being the more melodic strain, thrash metal being speed metal + thrash (heavier old school hardcore with two guitars).

Sex Pistols: Worst Punk Band (Narrowly beating out the entire genre of punk.)


This doesn't surprise me, given the overall music taste of this forum. Sad, yet hilarious.
I never payed much attention, but what is the overall music taste of this forum?

Also, Metal is lame. Except for hair metal.

I never payed much attention, but what is the overall music taste of this forum?

I dunno, it's usually fairly good. It's what got me to listen to Nirvana, Black Sabbath, Infected Mushroom, Finntroll, Sort of Electric Wizard, Husker Du, Mastodon, Send More Paramedics, the Sex Pistols, and the Voodoo Glow Skulls. So it can't be all bad.


Also, Metal is lame. Except for hair metal.

That is like totally the opposite of what everyone else thinks.

I never payed much attention, but what is the overall music taste of this forum?

Also, Metal is lame. Except for hair metal.

I believe you're mistaken, hair metal is lower then nu-metal and power metal combined. Then again I listen to hardcore, grindcore and crust punk and base a band's lameness on it's commercialness, cheesiness and it's cockrockness. The more a band sings about partying and pussy, the more it sucks.

Black metal is the only sort of metal I find interesting, although it's pretty friggin' cheesy.

grindcore and crust punk

Do you ever wonder how the fuck these genres got their names?

I dunno, it's usually fairly good. It's what got me to listen to Nirvana, Black Sabbath, Infected Mushroom, Finntroll, Sort of Electric Wizard, Husker Du, Mastodon, Send More Paramedics, the Sex Pistols, and the Voodoo Glow Skulls. So it can't be all bad.
I like Nirvana.
That is like totally the opposite of what everyone else thinks.
Apparently not the Tran-Siberian Orchesta, but meh. I don't care what music other people like.
I believe you're mistaken, hair metal is lower then nu-metal and power metal combined. Then again I listen to hardcore, grindcore and crust punk and base a band's lameness on it's commercialness, cheesiness and it's cockrockness. The more a band sings about partying and pussy, the more it sucks.
You don't like music because of "comercialness?.
That's totally alien to me. I just listen what sounds good to me. 80's pop, Indie and alternative Rock, and whatever Ben Folds is.

Also his hatred of bands that sing about sex takes out Nirvana.

Power metal is terrible (meaning: very bad) music played for terrible (meaning: unpleasant) people who do terrible (meaning: causing great fear or alarm) things for terrible (meaning: extremely bad) reasons. Such a terrible (meaning: extreme in degree) waste though this plea may prove, I beg of you all to tear your dragon posters off the walls, burn your Iced Earth albums, and evolve your musical tastes past the sixth grade.

These are the things for which the thesaurus was invented, yet they aren't worth the effort required to locate one.

Power metal is terrible (meaning: very bad) music played for terrible (meaning: unpleasant) people who do terrible (meaning: causing great fear or alarm) things for terrible (meaning: extremely bad) reasons. Such a terrible (meaning: extreme in degree) waste though this plea may prove, I beg of you all to tear your dragon posters off the walls, burn your Iced Earth albums, and evolve your musical tastes past the sixth grade.

These are the things for which the thesaurus was invented, yet they aren't worth the effort required to locate one.

Oh, for chrissake. Give up your tastefuler-then-thou rants about how fucking great Metallica is. You grow up.

Do you ever wonder how the fuck these genres got their names?
Crust punk is mostly named for the stank-ass appearance of it's primary fan base. They look 'crusty' and hence are 'crusties'. Grindcore is simply hardcore that grinds, with atonal, chromatic guitar riffs, since the term was coined a genre of super-fast, grinding metal influenced hardcore punk has developed around it. Except 'deathgrind' and 'goregrind' which are simplified death metal and not very interesting to me.

Also his hatred of bands that sing about sex takes out Nirvana.

I quite like Nirvana. While they sing about sex on occasion it's not in the demeaning way that hair metal bands and some rappers do.


You don't like music because of "comercialness?.
That's totally alien to me. I just listen what sounds good to me. 80's pop, Indie and alternative Rock, and whatever Ben Folds is.

Commercialness (patent pending) refers not to commercial success but overt commercial posturing. Slick sounding, boringly arranged and syrupy bubblegum styled music grates on my ears like I imagine a Nasum CD grates on teenie-bopper ears. Indie rock is generally very anti-commercial in it's aesthetics, even if it isn't super harsh and confrontational.

Everyone listens to what 'sounds good to them'. Me personally, while hardcore punk is my main interest I also listen to everything ranging from industrial, gabber, some metal, some indie rock, noise, noise rock and no-wave, grunge, pop-punk (Propagandhi<33), free jazz and alot more... That doesn't mean I don't have a favourite style at the moment, and at this moment it's grindcore.

Oh, for chrissake. Give up your tastefuler-then-thou rants about how fucking great Metallica is. You grow up.
Buh? That was ONE thread, and I was using Metallica only as an example of a non-Power Metal band; I could just as easily have replaced Metallica with Pantera, Alice in Chains, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Slayer, or Tad (to name a few other good metal bands).

Buh? That was ONE thread, and I was using Metallica only as an example of a non-Power Metal band; I could just as easily have replaced Metallica with Pantera, Alice in Chains, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Slayer, or Tad (to name a few other good metal bands).

If you wanted to win the thread you'd of used Darkthrone. :D

It's that time of undeterminate length of time, possibly week, for another "Popular Bands You Hate..." thread.

NSG Musical Hall of Shame!
Nickelback: Worst Alternative Band
Elvis Presley: Worst Band With Staying Power
The Entire Genre of Nu Metal: Worst Metal Genre
Limp Bizkit: Worst Nu Metal Band.
Sex Pistols: Worst Punk Band (Narrowly beating out the entire genre of punk.)

Once again, we are open to nominations. Keep in mind that these bands must be popular and/or influential.

Shit. I accidentally voted "Power Metal Sucks". Ah well.
This thread is worthless without Manowar. You're all suckers if you don't accept their influence on the genre.
"popular power metal band" ???

...

please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks this is extremely funny.
And you might be who? Where the hell did you come from, eh? N00b!
Isn't Iron Maiden power metal? Did you just diss Iron Maiden?
WTF? GO HOME. How many :upyours: you want for dissing Maiden? Speak now or be forever silent. -
Iron Maiden are NWOBHM or arguably speed metal. Some people choose to overlook the beginnings of speed metal and use it as a synonym for thrash metal.

Speed metal evolved two different ways, power metal being the more melodic strain, thrash metal being speed metal + thrash (heavier old school hardcore with two guitars).
Iron Maiden ain't no fucking speed metal. Hell, the term wasn't even around when IM kicked ass already.

I never payed much attention, but what is the overall music taste of this forum?

Also, Metal is lame. Except for hair metal.
Okay, you earned this one: :upyours:
Power metal is terrible (meaning: very bad) music played for terrible (meaning: unpleasant) people who do terrible (meaning: causing great fear or alarm) things for terrible (meaning: extremely bad) reasons. Such a terrible (meaning: extreme in degree) waste though this plea may prove, I beg of you all to tear your dragon posters off the walls, burn your Iced Earth albums, and evolve your musical tastes past the sixth grade.

These are the things for which the thesaurus was invented, yet they aren't worth the effort required to locate one.
Blah blah blah... :upyours::upyours::upyours:

If you don't like it, get lost.

WTF? GO HOME. How many :upyours: you want for dissing Maiden? Speak now or be forever silent. -


I...didn't...diss...Iron...Maiden

It's THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!!!

Okay, you earned this one: :upyours:
I'm sorry I don't share your taste in music.

Are you all right?

Iron Maiden ain't no fucking speed metal. Hell, the term wasn't even around when IM kicked ass already.

The term was first used by the band Venom. However it applies (sometimes retroactively) most accurately to the faster, melodic, 'shred' based guitar work seen in bands like Diamond Head, Judas Priest, pre-Haunting The Chapel Slayer, Megadeth, Iron Maiden and Kill 'Em All-era Metallica. Further, I did mention that the term NWOBHM is most commonly associated with Iron Maiden. I'm arguing that NWOBHM was the first wave of speed metal.

This is to reserve 'thrash metal' to include only speed metal based metal bands that borrow significantly from old school hardcore, UK82 and thrash and not the less 'punky' more melodic sounds from a few years before.

You're welcome to be an immature putz and throw around your ignorant upyours smilies. No one cares what dumb people think. Come back when you can make a reasonable argument and not just a fool of yourself.

I'm sorry I don't share your taste in music.

Are you all right?

Nah, GN's usually like this.

This thread is worthless without Manowar. You're all suckers if you don't accept their influence on the genre.
Wouldn't the fact that no one wanted to vote about how much they hated them quiet your nerdrage?
Blah blah blah... :upyours::upyours::upyours:

If you don't like it, get lost.
Normally, I might, but your personal brand of goofballery tarnishes the reputation of everyone else who listens to any metal music.

I...didn't...diss...Iron...Maiden
Good. Thou may live on. ;)
I'm sorry I don't share your taste in music.

Are you all right?
Nay - I'm nuked beyond capacity.
The term was first used by the band Venom. However it applies (sometimes retroactively) most accurately to the faster, melodic, 'shred' based guitar work seen in bands like Diamond Head, Judas Priest, pre-Haunting The Chapel Slayer, Megadeth, Iron Maiden and Kill 'Em All-era Metallica. Further, I did mention that the term NWOBHM is most commonly associated with Iron Maiden. I'm arguing that NWOBHM was the first wave of speed metal.

This is to reserve 'thrash metal' to include only speed metal based metal bands that borrow significantly from old school hardcore, UK82 and thrash and not the less 'punky' more melodic sounds from a few years before.

You're welcome to be an immature putz and throw around your ignorant upyours smilies. No one cares what dumb people think. Come back when you can make a reasonable argument and not just a fool of yourself.
I might have to quote Manowar: Kiss my a** if you don't like it - I don't care.
Nah, GN's usually like this.
I am?
Wouldn't the fact that no one wanted to vote about how much they hated them quiet your nerdrage?

Normally, I might, but your personal brand of goofballery tarnishes the reputation of everyone else who listens to any metal music.
Really?

Oh well. Pfffffffft. Right now, I don't even care.

Oh well. Pfffffffft. Right now, I don't even care.
Are you drunk right now? I certainly hope so.

And Pantera did the "Fuck you, I'm too metal/manly for trends"-attitude so much better.

Are you drunk right now? I certainly hope so.
Yes. Very much so. I'm sorry, dude... Tomorrow I'll be better and probably regret this deeply.

Are you drunk right now? I certainly hope so.

And Pantera did the "Fuck you, I'm too metal/manly for trends"-attitude so much better.

Why do you have no post count or online/offline thing?

I might have to quote Manowar: Kiss my a** if you don't like it - I don't care.

A, you know I'm right. B, if you didn't care you wouldn't of replied.

Iron Maiden are one of the bands most responsible for the style 'speed metal' existing. While the term was first used four years after they formed, it certainly describes them well. Would you rather they be lumped in with the universally awful genre of power metal?

Yes. Very much so. I'm sorry, dude... Tomorrow I'll be better and probably regret this deeply.
It's okay, I'm not in the fullest of mind right now, and that is only made worse by the horror movie going on in the background (literally a movie, I'm not speaking metaphorically).
Regrets are for those who are weak in their minds, small in their testes and effeminate in their spirits!

A, you know I'm right. B, if you didn't care you wouldn't of replied.
*have

Not that gone...
Iron Maiden are one of the bands most responsible for the style 'speed metal' existing. While the term was first used four years after they formed, it certainly describes them well. Would you rather they be lumped in with the universally awful genre of power metal?
Sorry, man - I'm posting completely wasted...

You're right - Maiden is one of the first bands who have continously played in a very driven, straight forward way.
No, I would not want them to be counted among the bands who make Power Metal what it is - simply because they don't belong there. Maiden is a genre in itself.

Did I mention I was beyong reasoning? If I haven't - take my honest word for it - I am... Sorry...


Alright, folks - I'm sorry that I have come across very rude indeed - I'm just somewhere out there - please don't take it personal. ;)

I'll be back to my old, restrained self tomorrow - after a long, long nap that is. :p

Up the Irons - Good night & good day.

It's okay, it happens to the best of us. Forgive my endless need to categorize. What can I say, I'm a music nerd. :(

It's okay, it happens to the best of us. Forgive my endless need to categorize. What can I say, I'm a music nerd. :(

It's Stoner Epic Sludge Doom Metal!

-Me, about Electric Wizard.

Or something like that.

It's okay, it happens to the best of us.
Not me.

I never payed much attention, but what is the overall music taste of this forum?

Grunge, burnt-out Classic Rock crap, and Trash metal are all popular.

Also, Metal is lame. Except for hair metal.

No. American Metal is lame (with exceptions). Hair Metal is a crime against humanity.

Isn't Iron Maiden power metal? Did you just diss Iron Maiden?

No I did not diss Iron Maiden, nor did I diss Ronnie James Dio. I dissed the modern, candy ass version of metal.

Give me old Sabbath before Ozzie got irrelevant. Or Rob Halford and Judas Priest...

Hell, give me AC/DC and the late great Bon Scott. Just spare me this watered down stuff that would make Iron Maiden band members want to commit Seppuku with a band saw.

Wait...I know this can't really be what you meant, but it SOUNDED like you were saying Dio sounds like sheep being mutilated by a power saw.

No. I didn't mean it that way. I meant Dio is a great power metal band. If you've ever listened to Holy Diver, you'll know.

Wow, tempers might be flaring about this thread even more so about the punk thread.
Surprising.

I can't vote :mad:. They're all too good to be voted for worst.

I can't vote :mad:. They're all too good to be voted for worst.Vote for Dragonforce, so 'Power Metal Sucks' doesn't win the poll.

Vote for Dragonforce, so 'Power Metal Sucks' doesn't win the poll.

But I love Dragonforce!

Wow, tempers might be flaring about this thread even more so about the punk thread.
Surprising.

Not really. More people like metal then punk. It probably wouldn't be as bad if people hadn't felt the need to start shrieking about how much power metal sucks. Remember the rap thread? This is a lot like that, except power metal's better then rap.

But I love Dragonforce!Would you rather the whole genre be voted as worst?

Not really. More people like metal then punk. It probably wouldn't be as bad if people hadn't felt the need to start shrieking about how much power metal sucks. Remember the rap thread? This is a lot like that, except power metal's better then rap.True, but more people like punk than power metal.

I've never heard of any of those. Therefore, I deduced that my vote would have to be "power metal sucks."

Manowar.

But I dislike pretty much all of the poll options.

Asking for a "worst" here is a bit like asking which bullet from a fusillade of automatic weapons fire was the one that killed the target. At a thousand rounds a minute, that hardly matters. Especially with 100 guns trained on you.

I don't think Europe is power metal...but anyway, I voted that the genre sucks

I've never heard of any of those. Therefore, I deduced that my vote would have to be "power metal sucks."

I hate to say it, but isn't that mildly twisted logic? I've never heard of it, so it must be bad?

I like Manowar and Dragonforce, does that make me bad?:(

*goes on listening to Maiden*

I like Manowar and Dragonforce, does that make me bad?:(

*goes on listening to Maiden*

I pretty much like all of power metal. That doesn't make us bad. The bad ones are those voting for any as the worst. :P

*goes on playing Iced Earth on guitar*

I pretty much like all of power metal. That doesn't make us bad. The bad ones are those voting for any as the worst. :P

*goes on playing Iced Earth on guitar*

I voted for Europe as being the worst, it's not metal so it's the worst metal on the list.:D

I like Manowar and Dragonforce, does that make me bad?:(


No, it just means you like good music that the rest of the world is either phobic of, or, more likely, simply ignorant of.

I hate to say it, but isn't that mildly twisted logic? I've never heard of it, so it must be bad?

Twisted logic, perhaps, but also a correct conclusion. :D

Twisted logic, perhaps, but also an incorrect conclusion. :D

fixed :D

No, it just means you like good music that the rest of the world is either phobic of, or, more likely, simply ignorant of.That's kinda sensible.:p

Twisted logic, perhaps, but also a correct conclusion. :D

Compared to what? Trash Metal? Hardly. Grunge? If I wanted want Grunge claims to be, I'd just listen to punk. Classic Rock? If any genre has a claim on the traits that the best Classic Rock had, it's Power Metal. Punk? They don't even belong in the same classification, they are so different.

Forgive me, but I'd be shocked if your total listening experience in Power Metal constituted more than 3 bands.

I believe you're mistaken, hair metal is lower then nu-metal and power metal combined. Then again I listen to hardcore, grindcore and crust punk and base a band's lameness on it's commercialness, cheesiness and it's cockrockness. The more a band sings about partying and pussy, the more it sucks.

Black metal is the only sort of metal I find interesting, although it's pretty friggin' cheesy.

Unfortunately, I haven't been exposed to too much metal. However, I'm a big fan of most Symphonic Metal, simply because I like power metal (kind of), but I like the orchestra more. Ergo, combining them is made of win.

I usually listen to, when I feel like metal, either Dark Moor or Therion.

I usually listen to, when I feel like metal, either Dark Moor or Therion.Therion is awesome. I can't see someone disliking power metal as a whole after hearing them.

Therion is awesome. I can't see someone disliking power metal as a whole after hearing them.

Therion was one of the bands who made me fall in love with Power Metal. Between them, Elvenking, and Epica, I had no chance. I honestly cannot understand why Power Metal provokes such animosity in people.

I can understand the response people have to Punk. In that case, it challenges their basic way of thought. But why Power Metal? Is it more of the only latent homophobia(misplaced, no doubt, but when has homophobia been logical)? Is it a fear of being labeled "Geeks"?

Therion is awesome. I can't see someone disliking power metal as a whole after hearing them.

Heh heh.

I mostly listen to their later stuff. The monotone stomach-acid gurgling crap in the beginning, when they sounded like Celtic Frost, didn't appeal to me.

Lemuria, Secrets of the Runes, and what-not, appeal to me the most, mostly because I like the occultish stuff. (Yet I'm a Calvinist, go figure. XD)

Not Therion, but Dark Moor's rendition of Dies Irae (Amadeus) is probably one of the coolest things I've ever heard.

I like power metal up to the point where the instrumentals all seem to sound identical and the lyrics a parody of themselves. I voted Dragonforce because they epitomize both these flaws. They play fast, but after a short while it all starts to sound the same... and I'm yet to conclude whether the lyrics are intentionally that corny or if they are completely unaware of it.

However, bands like Sonata Arctica, Blind Guardian, Therion, and especially Kamelot are fantastic! I'm more of the melodic / symphonic metal type, myself. Epica owns my soul.

I can understand the response people have to Punk. In that case, it challenges their basic way of thought. But why Power Metal? Is it more of the only latent homophobia(misplaced, no doubt, but when has homophobia been logical)? Is it a fear of being labeled "Geeks"?
Homophobia? You've made some pretty peculiar claims in your past defences of Power Metal, but to accuse anyone who recognizes it as juvenile trash of being "homophobic", well, that's the least sensible argument I've ever heard from you.

Dragonforce. A poor, anemic man's Avenged Sevenfold.

Homophobia? You've made some pretty peculiar claims in your past defences of Power Metal, but to accuse anyone who recognizes it as juvenile trash of being "homophobic", well, that's the least sensible argument I've ever heard from you.

Well, it's a well known fact that Power Metal is gay. It'll just walk up to Hair Metal and be like "Hey maaaaan, interested?" and then Hair Metal will walk over to Goth Metal and try to pick her up, but he doesn't work because he's to crude and horny, so Grunge goes over and picks her up and they go home and make some unspeakably awesome genre. So then Death Metal and Doom Metal (Who are friends with Goth Metal and don't like seeing losers hitting on her) go over and beat the tar out of Hair Metal, and then Christian Metal comes over and starts talking about how they should be nice, so Death Metal rasps a series of phrases and Christian Metal's hair catches on fire. Then Black Sabbath and Judas Priest walk in and everybody buys them drinks.

Well, it's a well known fact that Power Metal is gay. It'll just walk up to Hair Metal and be like "Hey maaaaan, interested?" and then Hair Metal will walk over to Goth Metal and try to pick her up, but he doesn't work because he's to crude and horny, so Grunge goes over and picks her up and they go home and make some unspeakably awesome genre. So then Death Metal and Doom Metal (Who are friends with Goth Metal and don't like seeing losers hitting on her) go over and beat the tar out of Hair Metal, and then Christian Metal comes over and starts talking about how they should be nice, so Death Metal rasps a series of phrases and Christian Metal's hair catches on fire. Then Black Sabbath and Judas Priest walk in and everybody buys them drinks.

Hahaha I like the Death Metal lighting Christian Metal's hair on fire. The goth metal and grunge sounds disgusting.

Hahaha I like the Death Metal lighting Christian Metal's hair on fire. The goth metal and grunge sounds disgusting.

Actually, he doesn't set it on fire. He's speech is so much the opposite of Christian Metal it begins destroying Christian Metal. It's a Matter/Antimatter thing. Although you'd think they'd cancel each other equally, Death Metal has more of a force of personality, so he wins the face off.


I will now see what the Goth Metal/Grunge thing would sound like by listening to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana and "Black Planet" by the Sisters of Mercy at the same time.

I will post the results in a few minutes.

Homophobia? You've made some pretty peculiar claims in your past defences of Power Metal, but to accuse anyone who recognizes it as juvenile trash of being "homophobic", well, that's the least sensible argument I've ever heard from you.

It's got the same tone, Fiddles. Listen to the way that most critics talk about it. Now, I could certainly say that I could be misattributing the tone. I'm perfectly willing to admit it, if you can come up with a more plausible description, but I hear the same tone in critiscism of Power Metal that I hear in critiscism of Emo, and I've come to associate the tone in the first as coming from a social homophobia. Now, it may be the same tone for different reasons, and that's why I left it in question form, and I would be glad to be shown to be wrong.

And, frankly, I've come to associate Trash metal with obnoxious juveniles. They're the stupid fucks who walk around in Metallica shirts pretending that they know anything about music, let alone Metal. The only thing worse are the muscleheads who like Metallica or other Trash Metal because of how "manly" it sounds.

It's got the same tone, Fiddles. Listen to the way that most critics talk about it. Now, I could certainly say that I could be misattributing the tone. I'm perfectly willing to admit it, if you can come up with a more plausible description, but I hear the same tone in critiscism of Power Metal that I hear in critiscism of Emo, and I've come to associate the tone in the first as coming from a social homophobia. Now, it may be the same tone for different reasons, and that's why I left it in question form, and I would be glad to be shown to be wrong.

And, frankly, I've come to associate Trash metal with obnoxious juveniles. They're the stupid fucks who walk around in Metallica shirts pretending that they know anything about music, let alone Metal. The only thing worse are the muscleheads who like Metallica or other Trash Metal because of how "manly" it sounds.

Meh. It's funny to see "manly" men get all vexed because their sons wear skinny jeans and go to Toni and Guy.

I will post the results in a few minutes.

The results are two things:

1. It doesn't sound that bad.
2. My head hurts.

The results are two things:

1. It doesn't sound that bad.
2. My head hurts.

Wait... Did you just listen to both songs at once?

Wait... Did you just listen to both songs at once?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was... Stupid. You aren't supposed to sacrifice yourself in the name of science, you're supposed to sacrifice someone else. Silly. :p

That was... Stupid. You aren't supposed to sacrifice yourself in the name of science, you're supposed to sacrifice someone else. Silly. :p

It really doesn't sound that bad.

Now then, let's hear this.

Yes, I will actually be listening to this:

8 Miles High ~ Husker Du
Breed ~ Nirvana
I Fought the Law ~ The Clash
The KKK took my baby away ~ The Ramones

Let's HEAR IT!!!

Wow...that was pretty fucking awesome.

Wow...that was pretty fucking awesome.

Damn you to hell! :eek:

I just discovered what AC/DC, Nirvana, and Nightwish sound like played at the same time. *shudders*

Damn you to hell! :eek:

I just discovered what AC/DC, Nirvana, and Nightwish sound like played at the same time. *shudders*

Those four worked well, it created a superfast heavy sound, and the lyrics didn't mix, Joey's voice was the only audible one, other then Husker Du's screaming. (Husker Du can really do that tragic, angsty yell.)

I used Audacity to layer them, so I was able to tweak the volume of each song to get the vocals to even out. It was pretty crazy sounding... *goes to try more songs*

Since we're on the topic of goat cheese and Keebler's crackers, what are the best symphonic metal bands out there? I'm looking to expand my library. :)

Since we're on the topic of goat cheese and Keebler's crackers, what are the best symphonic metal bands out there? I'm looking to expand my library. :)

Try asking on the Voodoo Zombie Good Bands Thread. I believe it's on the second page of General.

I quite like Nirvana. While they sing about sex on occasion it's not in the demeaning way that hair metal bands and some rappers do.

What about "Beeswax"?

What about "Beeswax"?

Beeswax
http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=114512
Cherry Pie
http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=95542

Compare them, you'll notice Nirvana aren't being sexist pigs and Warrant are.

Compare them, you'll notice Nirvana aren't being sexist pigs and Warrant are.

Warrant is certainly being more...descriptive, but I wouldn't exactly call it sexist Singing about sex in a graphic way isn't sexist in itself.

I mean, the lyrics suck. It's totally lame to rant about how great you are at sex, but it isn't sexist.

Also, THAT'S what that songs about? I hadn't actually payed attention to the lyrics before...

Frank Sinatra could kick all their asses.

Frank Sinatra could kick all their asses.

At being an empty, talentless shill whose only redeeming trait was that he looked good, no doubt. He was the Britteny Spears of his generation.

At being an empty, talentless shill whose only redeeming trait was that he looked good, no doubt. He was the Britteny Spears of his generation.

You're possibly the biggest idiot I've ever encountered.

I've heard some stupid shit, and I mean really stupid shit, but this might take the cake.

At being an empty, talentless shill whose only redeeming trait was that he looked good, no doubt. He was the Britteny Spears of his generation.

Leaving aside Sinatra's personal talents, he had Nelson Riddle on his side, the kind of inventive musician Spears just plain can't seem to find/afford.

Oh, for chrissake. Give up your tastefuler-then-thou rants about how fucking great Metallica is. You grow up.
To be fair, he doesn't have a join date, he can do as he pleases.

To be fair, he doesn't have a join date, he can do as he pleases.

Oh hush, all you noobs. </elitist>

Compared to what? Trash Metal? Hardly. Grunge? If I wanted want Grunge claims to be, I'd just listen to punk. Classic Rock? If any genre has a claim on the traits that the best Classic Rock had, it's Power Metal. Punk? They don't even belong in the same classification, they are so different.

Forgive me, but I'd be shocked if your total listening experience in Power Metal constituted more than 3 bands.

Don't take me so seriously. *pats*

Some of those bands have very talented instrumentalists and the like, but I just don't like power metal. It doesn't sit well with me and I don't say so out of ignorance. I've tried.

From the poll alone, i've heard - Dragonforce, Helloween, Blind Guardian, Sonata Arctica, Iced Earth and Demons and Wizards. That's six...i'd name more if I could be bothered.

The closest I come is stuff like Queensryche and epic doom eg. Candlemass and Solitude Aeturnus.

At being an empty, talentless shill whose only redeeming trait was that he looked good, no doubt. He was the Britteny Spears of his generation.

Your name seems to be something of a misnomer.

Worst power metal band? I'm torn between selecting Dragonforce and Iced Earth. Iced Earth has too much 4/4 and sucks all around, but Dragonforce has ZP Theart and can't play live worth shit. Either way, they both pale in comparison to bands like Freedom Call when it comes to waving your sword around, and Adagio when music is concerned (although the music off of the latter's late album is not of the quality they have exhibited previously).

So, I'm choosing Iced Earth because it doesn't have as many votes as Dragonforce.

EDIT: Apparently, it had no votes at all. Iced Earth sucks, people!

I have never heard of myrth but, agh, I love powermetal too much to make a choice, to all who dissed powermetal in this thread

Feel the wrath of my terrorist army of circles with eyes and no visable arms or legs!!!

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Your name seems to be something of a misnomer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard it before. It wasn't clever when Eutrusca said it 2 years ago. It wasn't clever when DK said it 6 months ago, and it isn't clever now. If you've got a problem, answer with substance, rather than with an ad hominem attack. Sinatra is musically dull, uncreative, and repetitive. If you've heard one song performed by him, you've heard them all. The only reason that he was succesfull at all was because he was a handsome man in an era where most of the handsome men were at war. Yawn.

Worst power metal band? I'm torn between selecting Dragonforce and Iced Earth. Iced Earth has too much 4/4 and sucks all around, but Dragonforce has ZP Theart and can't play live worth shit. Either way, they both pale in comparison to bands like Freedom Call when it comes to waving your sword around, and Adagio when music is concerned (although the music off of the latter's late album is not of the quality they have exhibited previously).

In my experience, if you can sober any Power Metal band up enough, they can play excellent live shows. Dragonforce is just never sober at a live show, and so they suck live. They can't even keep their guitars in tune, and so all of their technically complex, challenging runs come off sounding like shit.

The Europe aren't metal. They're hard rock, and somewhat '80-pop.

Why isn't Hammerfall in the poll?

I think Lost Horizon go on a bit with their songs, and I have to skip an awful lot of it. Out of the power metal I've heard, they were the only band where I'd do that. They have good bits too though.

Hammerfall are so-so, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard it before. It wasn't clever when Eutrusca said it 2 years ago. It wasn't clever when DK said it 6 months ago, and it isn't clever now. If you've got a problem, answer with substance, rather than with an ad hominem attack. Sinatra is musically dull, uncreative, and repetitive. If you've heard one song performed by him, you've heard them all. The only reason that he was succesfull at all was because he was a handsome man in an era where most of the handsome men were at war. Yawn.


50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

I am a guitarist, playing for about 3 years now, and it was about 2 years ago when I got to know some power-metal bands at a friends house, a very good guitarist who has been playing for about 15 years by now.

Judging on musicality and guitar technique as well as difficulty, dragonforce scores high in the list of options! While Iced Earth, definately not as difficult, scored only 1 nomination up to now! So what are we really judging here?

I think most of you powermetal-haters aren't just open for it. I'm no D&D geek, I'm a guitarist. And my favourite genre is melodic death / black metal. Whereas melodic death would be bands like (the old) in flames and such. Open up your ears not just for metal focusing on heaviness. It's far from my favourite genre, but I can only respect it because the track that plays first on dragonforce's website, I cannot play! I like them quite a bit, and read about them in a guitar magazine once, they called the genre 'nintendo metal' because of the resemblance with the old midi-music old consoles produced, often written by great musicians.

I am a guitarist, playing for about 3 years now, and it was about 2 years ago when I got to know some power-metal bands at a friends house, a very good guitarist who has been playing for about 15 years by now.

Judging on musicality and guitar technique as well as difficulty, dragonforce scores high in the list of options! While Iced Earth, definately not as difficult, scored only 1 nomination up to now! So what are we really judging here?

I think most of you powermetal-haters aren't just open for it. I'm no D&D geek, I'm a guitarist. And my favourite genre is melodic death / black metal. Whereas melodic death would be bands like (the old) in flames and such. Open up your ears not just for metal focusing on heaviness. It's far from my favourite genre, but I can only respect it because the track that plays first on dragonforce's website, I cannot play! I like them quite a bit, and read about them in a guitar magazine once, they called the genre 'nintendo metal' because of the resemblance with the old midi-music old consoles produced, often written by great musicians.

I can't bring myself to use technical wank to judge the quality of a band. That applies across all genres, and speaking as a fellow guitarist.

At being an empty, talentless shill whose only redeeming trait was that he looked good, no doubt. He was the Britteny Spears of his generation.Not exactly how I'd put it, and yet you're not incorrect.

50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

That's basically the same as "600 bazillion shreiking teenage Fallout Boy fans can't be wrong."

50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

I was talking about Sinatra, but Elvis is an apt comparison.