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Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

I smoke cigareets and pipe tobacco, and an occasional cigar. I usually smoke Marlboro reds and Pall Mall reds. If you do smoke, tell us what kind of cigarrette or cigar you smoke!


Anyways, I'll be back in a bit to check the thread, got to smoke...:)

Maybe one or two cigars every couple of months. (The last time was in January)

It's too expensive, and I generally only do it when I'm pretty drunk.

Nope, never. Pointless waste of money.

Clean for 4 years, used to smoke Reds and then Lights when I was trying to quit. The cravings are still there, though.

No. If I wanted to kill myself, I would choose a faster and less painful way.

Nope, never. Pointless waste of money.

not to mention, they stink.

Grew up with a smoker, so no, I don't smoke.

No. If I wanted to kill myself, I would choose a faster and less painful way.


Ouch. Is that supposed to hurt me? Anywaaaaaaaaaaaays, I don't really care about the health effects, I'm young and invincible. My lungs kick cancers around all day long.;) Seriously though, I don't care about it now, I'm living life for the moment. I'm enjoying life to the fullest.

not to mention, they stink.


Yup, and the yellow teeth and fingernail staining and they cough lots etc. And....y'know the increased cancer risk.

Yup, and the yellow teeth and fingernail staining and they cough lots etc. And....y'know the increased cancer risk.

yep. It's a slow way to die, but an even slower road to pain when the time comes.

Ouch. Is that supposed to hurt me? Anywaaaaaaaaaaaays, I don't really care about the health effects, I'm young and invincible. My lungs kick cancers around all day long.;) Seriously though, I don't care about it now, I'm living life for the moment. I'm enjoying life to the fullest.

You'll learn.

How is smoking tobacco living life to the fullest? Your life must be really dull, it's the only logical answer ;)

yep. It's a slow way to die, but an even slower road to pain when the time comes.

Yeah my nan went that way, she lived with us so I know how it is.

I quit smoking and ahhhhh it feels great!

Marlboro Lights, and tobacco in joints.

Yeah my nan went that way, she lived with us so I know how it is.

I'm sorry to hear that. And yes Sumamba, not smoking always feels great. Plus, you can look at the fact that you'll live longer than those who smoke regularly ;)

yep. It's a slow way to die, but an even slower road to pain when the time comes.

A friend of mine used to say that he smoked because he heard that it cuts 10 years off of ones life and that he was counting on it to save him from living thru the wheelchair and diaper years. :rolleyes:

You'll learn.

How is smoking tobacco living life to the fullest? Your life must be really dull, it's the only logical answer ;)

Nonsense! You don't me, you don't know me! haha

I go out and party, go to lots of concerts, hang out with great friends, I'm about to start a new job, get an apartment and car, lots of excitement, cigarettes are just one more thing to do with friends and at concerts. They are also a great way to relax. For the few minutes your smoking the rest of the world fades, its just you and your thoughts.

The only positive I've seen of smoking is the social aspect. I have been a little jealous of the groups of smokers forming around to talk... and it's very conducive to meeting people and conversations.

Though smoking seems just a really really dumb idea now in light of all the shit we have on it.

What's up with the resurgance of chew, by the way? It seems more and more people are going that way.

Nonsense! You don't me, you don't know me! haha

I go out and party, go to lots of concerts, hang out with great friends, I'm about to start a new job, get an apartment and car, lots of excitement, cigarettes are just one more thing to do with friends and at concerts. They are also a great way to relax. For the few minutes your smoking the rest of the world fades, its just you and your thoughts.

well I guess to each their own. I prefer the healthy way to have the world fade away: writing ^_^

Smoke? Hell no.

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

Nope, I like my lungs the way they are and I wouldn't want to spend all that money or smell bad.

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

I smoke cigareets and pipe tobacco, and an occasional cigar. I usually smoke Marlboro reds and Pall Mall reds. If you do smoke, tell us what kind of cigarrette or cigar you smoke!


Anyways, I'll be back in a bit to check the thread, got to smoke...:)

http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/smoke.gif No, not really. Although a pipe looks kinda nice, I never smoke.

I'm more of a cigar man myself. I generally prefer heavier, more full bodied ones like joya de nicaragua, camacho, and la gloria cubana. I'm not really into cigarettes, but a cigar is a great way to unwind after a long day.

Nonsense! You don't me, you don't know me! haha

I go out and party, go to lots of concerts, hang out with great friends, I'm about to start a new job, get an apartment and car, lots of excitement, cigarettes are just one more thing to do with friends and at concerts. They are also a great way to relax. For the few minutes your smoking the rest of the world fades, its just you and your thoughts.

That's just your addiction craving subsiding.

Besides.....I harbour dark thoughts.

That's just your addiction craving subsiding.

Besides.....I harbour dark thoughts.

Haha, maybe, but even if that's so its nice!

I smoke a couple cigars a week, and sometimes one of my pipes.

No cigarettes though.

I used to work (and still fill in time to time) at a cigar store.

Grew up with a smoker, so no, I don't smoke.

you did ;)

Haha, maybe, but even if that's so its nice!

http://www.musicentre.co.uk/www/uploads/2858/Smoking_Sucks_CD_insert_front.jpg

Teh Shaolin shall never agree!

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Teh Shaolin shall never agree!

nice graphic XD Did you make it? ;)

i used to smoke rollies until about a year ago. now i smoke the occaisional cigar for celebrating, depending on who i'm celebrating with.

nice graphic XD Did you make it? ;)

Nah, pic search FTW!

Though it does look like something that should belong with my nation-name:cool:

I'm broke enough as it is without smoking. Do you have any idea how much those things cost per pack? It's frigging outrageous. I realize prices are different everywhere, but here in Ohio, you're looking at maybe $4 a pack. The typicak pack-a-day smoker is faced with an expense of nearly $1,500 a year at that rate. That could buy nine nights at a nice casino hotel in Reno, NV; believe me, I've priced it. And that's counting the surcharge for the fact that I'd be renting a car and I'm under 25.

Hmmm...pack-a-day habit that's being increasingly restricted and villainized...or nine nights in Reno? Smoking, vacation, smoking, vacation...

Oh, fuck it; I'll just do what I always do and put the money toward my cable bill. That's almost a year of cable TV, high-speed internet, and phone service right there, with a little left over for, say, a couple of weeks of reasonably-priced dinners.

I'm broke enough as it is without smoking. Do you have any idea how much those things cost per pack? It's frigging outrageous. I realize prices are different everywhere, but here in Ohio, you're looking at maybe $4 a pack. The typicak pack-a-day smoker is faced with an expense of nearly $1,500 a year at that rate. That could buy nine nights at a nice casino hotel in Reno, NV; believe me, I've priced it. And that's counting the surcharge for the fact that I'd be renting a car and I'm under 25.

Hmmm...pack-a-day habit that's being increasingly restricted and villainized...or nine nights in Reno? Smoking, vacation, smoking, vacation...

Oh, fuck it; I'll just do what I always do and put the money toward my cable bill. That's almost a year of cable TV, high-speed internet, and phone service right there, with a little left over for, say, a couple of weeks of reasonably-priced dinners.

I agree, they are expensive, but i'm not a pack a day smoker. I go through a pack about every 3-5 days. And they cost about 4 bucks for Marlboros and Camels, but my lovely Pall Malls only cost about 3.25 at the gas station! Oh, and I orders 6 cartons of Pall Malls on the internet from the Ukraine for 90 bucks! 90 dollars man, that's less than the price of two cartons at the store! woohoo!

Nope. I tried, but it makes me cough.

Richmond Super Kings if I'm buying a pack of ten/twenty or Golden Virginia if we're talking about rollies (esp with other things in them).

Smoke with a drink / when I'm stressed, but not in the street, because I find that a bit vulgar tbh.

Oh and I smoke at about 50 a month. So yeah... my lungs aren't damaged a great deal more than they usually would be, taking traffic fumes into account tbh.

I'm broke enough as it is without smoking. Do you have any idea how much those things cost per pack? It's frigging outrageous. I realize prices are different everywhere, but here in Ohio, you're looking at maybe $4 a pack. The typicak pack-a-day smoker is faced with an expense of nearly $1,500 a year at that rate. That could buy nine nights at a nice casino hotel in Reno, NV; believe me, I've priced it. And that's counting the surcharge for the fact that I'd be renting a car and I'm under 25.

Hmmm...pack-a-day habit that's being increasingly restricted and villainized...or nine nights in Reno? Smoking, vacation, smoking, vacation...

Oh, fuck it; I'll just do what I always do and put the money toward my cable bill. That's almost a year of cable TV, high-speed internet, and phone service right there, with a little left over for, say, a couple of weeks of reasonably-priced dinners.

All true, but trying to rationalize stuff like that to smokers is on a par with trying to understand women. It's just not worth the effort.

All true, but trying to rationalize stuff like that to smokers is on a par with trying to understand women. It's just not worth the effort.
I spend literally about £10 a month on tobacco... not really much else you could do with the money that gives you as much relaxation or social opportunities.

As long as you don't smoke around people who don't want to be smoked around, it's all gravy.

taken from the title of a facebook group:

nah man the only thing i smoke is suckers like you on the b-ball court.

I agree, they are expensive, but i'm not a pack a day smoker. I go through a pack about every 3-5 days. And they cost about 4 bucks for Marlboros and Camels, but my lovely Pall Malls only cost about 3.25 at the gas station! Oh, and I orders 6 cartons of Pall Malls on the internet from the Ukraine for 90 bucks! 90 dollars man, that's less than the price of two cartons at the store! woohoo!

Wait a tick...does that include shipping? I'll assume it does. Six cartons lasts you...let's see, I'll average it to two packs a week. That's a carton every five weeks, meaning you have to order them slightly less often than twice a year. A light smoker can get away with that.

Me? I'll stick with spicy chicken wings as a vice. I still spend far less than $180 a year on them anyway.

I always said since I was 5 or so that I would never smoke and ofcours I then did but I have now smoked 4 joints and 3 cigarettes all when I was so wasted that I don't really remember what it tastes like or how it makes you feel. It mainly made me more drunk I think. So yes I enjoy my smoking and I will not quit it.
But it is a complete waste of money and personal health. First your smokes cost you money, then you get some cancer or other related decease which will ofcours cost you or the state money and then you die just to keep the bills coming in.

I quit smoking for about a month, then I was just overwhelmed with bad stuff happening, so I bought myself a pack of Newport 100s.

I have 5 left, and don't really see myself smoking them..

*offers cigarettes to everyone*

I spend literally about £10 a month on tobacco... not really much else you could do with the money that gives you as much relaxation or social opportunities.

As long as you don't smoke around people who don't want to be smoked around, it's all gravy.

It's good that you take a responsible attitude to not smoking around people who object, though most smokers don't seem to care about others around them in that regard from my own experiences.

It's not just the second-hand smoke though, it's nasty when I'm on the train to work and a heavy smoker sits next to me, though they're not smoking on the train the smell is disgusting.

Though I'm anti-smoking I've never stopped anyone from smoking around me.

Though you don't spend much, many do - my dad's a heavy smoker (40ish-a-day at his worst).

It's good that you take a responsible attitude to not smoking around people who object, though most smokers don't seem to care about others around them in that regard from my own experiences.
Yeah, it absolutely does my head in when people sit around smoking when their friends are "subtly" trying to tell them to stop by over-exaggeratedly coughing and leaning towards them with a "stop it, you dickhead" look on their face.

*sighs*

And smoking in the street is maybe worse - "hey, I'll just spread the love around a bit!" *cancer vaguely ensues, a bit*
It's not just the second-hand smoke though, it's nasty when I'm on the train to work and a heavy smoker sits next to me, though they're not smoking on the train the smell is disgusting.
Absolutely true, which is why I don't smoke before entering any kind of public transport (nowadays I bike around, or just don't smoke on days I'm going by train to anywhere).

It's just polite.
Though I'm anti-smoking I've never stopped anyone from smoking around me.
Try it, from personal experience, it helps people to stop feeding their addiction for a bit, which, despite what you might think, is actually not a bad feeling, in a kind of I-could-actually-stop-this-if-I-wanted-hurrah-if-I-did-this-all-the-time way.
Though you don't spend much, many do - my dad's a heavy smoker (40ish-a-day at his worst).
Ah, I see. Fair enough.

Yeah, it absolutely does my head in when people sit around smoking when their friends are "subtly" trying to tell them to stop by over-exaggeratedly coughing and leaning towards them with a "stop it, you dickhead" look on their face.

*sighs*

Actually yeah I have done that! But not seriously

Try it, from personal experience, it helps people to stop feeding their addiction for a bit, which, despite what you might think, is actually not a bad feeling, in a kind of I-could-actually-stop-this-if-I-wanted-hurrah-if-I-did-this-all-the-time way.

Won't be a problem soon with the whole smoking ban bit coming in. It's gonna be nice to go out to a pub/club and not come home smelling like an ashtray.:)

Actually yeah I have done that! But not seriously
Yeah, sadly people either care about other people or they don't when it comes to smoking, and either shrug it off and try to look cool about it all, or just don't spark up in the first place. Shame, really.
Won't be a problem soon with the whole smoking ban bit coming in. It's gonna be nice to go out to a pub/club and not come home smelling like an ashtray.:)
Meh. I would really have preferred to have enclosed smoking areas allowed, whereas non-smoking areas would have to be, I dunno, 60% of the floorspace of an establishment by law and more if it was wanted, but I can certainly see why it was done.

Yes, I smoke. Yes, I despise the self-righteous anti-smokers and their hypochondriacal paranoia and easily-shattered sensibilities.

Yes, I smoke. Yes, I despise the self-righteous anti-smokers and their hypochondriacal paranoia and easily-shattered sensibilities.

Cos you know they're right?

Cos you know they're right?

Because they think they're right, and because most of the time they are hypocrites.

Because they think they're right, and because most of the time they are hypocrites.

Example please.

Why don't you give me an example of how "right" you think you are first.


ok, I think I'm "right" in not smoking because it's not healthy.

Example please.

Why don't you give me an example of how "right" you think you are first.

Damn Joltwarps.

Not healthy - highly carcinogenic (spp?) etc.
Smells
Harms those around them, not just the smoker.
Waste of money.

ok, I think I'm "right" in not smoking because it's not healthy.

And do you also avoid driving, or riding in, automobiles?

And do you also avoid driving, or riding in, automobiles?

ok so me driving is hypocritical as I don't think smoking is healthy. Man that's some fuzzy logic right there.

ok so me driving is hypocritical as I don't think smoking is healthy. Man that's some fuzzy logic right there.

Both increase the likelihood of death. That seems to me to qualify as unhealthy, wouldn't you say?

And of course, automobiles emit toxic chemicals. EPA studies show they do so much more than secondhand smoke. In addition to contributing to global warming and general air pollution. So even when used "right," automobiles are killing people.

BUT you have no problem with them. Because you are a hypocrite. You care more about having a clean shirt after a night of drinking at the bar than health.

Both increase the likelihood of death. That seems to me to qualify as unhealthy, wouldn't you say?

And of course, automobiles emit toxic chemicals. EPA studies show they do so much more than secondhand smoke. In addition to contributing to global warming and general air pollution. So even when used "right," automobiles are killing people.

BUT you have no problem with them. Because you are a hypocrite. You care more about having a clean shirt after a night of drinking at the bar than health.

Nope. Me carrying on about anti-smoking then going home to light-up would be hypocritical.

I am correct... smoking IS unhealthy.

Yes you are right - automobiles cause more deaths than smoking, but that doesn't equate to smoking being a healthy or even good thing to do.

You care more about having a clean shirt after a night of drinking at the bar than health.

And that's a no too, it'd just be a bonus to come home not smelling. I never said that outweighed the health benifits, like I said on page 1, I lost a family member (my nan) to cancer through smoking. It's not nice to see that.

Nope. Me carrying on about anti-smoking then going home to light-up would be hypocritical.

I am correct... smoking IS unhealthy.

Yes you are right - automobiles cause more deaths than smoking, but that doesn't equate to smoking being a healthy or even good thing to do.

You preach "oh that's unhealthy!" but turn around and do things that are every bit as unhealthy. Hence, hypocrisy. It is *I* who am correct here, and you have proven it.

All too easy!

And that's a no too, it'd just be a bonus to come home not smelling. I never said that outweighed the health benifits, like I said on page 1, I lost a family member (my nan) to cancer through smoking. It's not nice to see that.

Aha, so it isn't health, but your own psychological issues. Glad honesty has come into play, now let me ask you this - did your nan get cancer by being a non-smoker who went to a smoking bar?

I never smoke tobacco. I am however a regular smoker of the good ole wacky grass.

depends usally a pipe and some good quality shag or if iam on tailor mades then it normally either camel or woodbind or if iam in the mood capstan full strength for rool ups its drum but if am palying risk its a a havana and glass of brandy

I never smoke tobacco. I am however a regular smoker of the good ole wacky grass.
On its own?

You preach "oh that's unhealthy!" but turn around and do things that are every bit as unhealthy. Hence, hypocrisy. It is *I* who am correct here, and you have proven it.

All too easy!


FAIL

No I don't smoke or engage in anything to do with the tobacco industry, you pose strawman arguements.You have not proven smoking to be healthy. I still think your logic is fuzzy as you are unwilling to accept that smoking is a bad thing.

Aha, so it isn't health, but your own psychological issues. Glad honesty has come into play, now let me ask you this - did your nan get cancer by being a non-smoker who went to a smoking bar?

Yes I honestly believe it's unhealthy.

No but Roy Castle and Eva Cassidy did ;)

No. If I wanted to kill myself, I would choose a faster and less painful way.

Same here. I've seen someone die of cancer. It's not a fate I'd wish on even those I despise, let alone those I love or myself.

No I don't smoke or engage in anything to do with the tobacco industry

Irrelevant.

you pose strawman arguements.

In what way?

You have not proven smoking to be healthy.

Irrelevant. I don't need to prove that it's "healthy." All I need to do is show you that just as I don't care about unhealthful effects - NEITHER DO YOU. You don't care about the unhealthful effects of your driving, and I don't care about the unhealthful effects of my smoking.

I still think your logic is fuzzy as you are unwilling to accept that smoking is a bad thing.

My logic? Let's see yours.

1. Cigarettes have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, cigarette users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided and persecuted by law if at all possible.

1. Automobiles have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, automobile users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided, and persecuted by law if at all possible.

Your own logic is inconsistently applied, because you don't follow through with the premises to their natural conclusion except against cigarettes. But that's to be expected - your nan wasn't killed by a car, or by general air pollution from cars. Hence, I've merely shown that "health" is not the true basis of your argument. Instead your own bias is.

On its own?

I smoke grass straight from a glass pipe. I love the taste.

A friend of mine used to say that he smoked because he heard that it cuts 10 years off of ones life and that he was counting on it to save him from living thru the wheelchair and diaper years. :rolleyes:

That's stupid, it's not those years that smoking cuts off. It brings old age sooner rather than later. My grandmother is 81 but looks ten or fifteen years younger than some of her friends of around the same age. She never smoked, they did (though not that heavily, as the heavy smokers she knew are dead).

I smoke grass straight from a glass pipe. I love the taste.
Ah OK. Not being a connouseur, I usually smoke it with rollies.

Irrelevant.



In what way?



Irrelevant. I don't need to prove that it's "healthy." All I need to do is show you that just as I don't care about unhealthful effects - NEITHER DO YOU. You don't care about the unhealthful effects of your driving, and I don't care about the unhealthful effects of my smoking.



My logic? Let's see yours.

1. Cigarettes have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, cigarette users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided and persecuted by law if at all possible.

1. Automobiles have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, automobile users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided, and persecuted by law if at all possible.

Your own logic is inconsistently applied, because you don't follow through with the premises to their natural conclusion except against cigarettes. But that's to be expected - your nan wasn't killed by a car, or by general air pollution from cars. Hence, I've merely shown that "health" is not the true basis of your argument. Instead your own bias is.

the two are in no way equivalent because there is a purpose to driving, it is often necessary. there is no purpose to smoking, it is not necessary. that driving is often necessary goes a long way to overcoming misgivings about the health risks involved. there is no such equivalent argument for smoking. that it is enjoyable is not an argument.

Irrelevant.



In what way?



Irrelevant. I don't need to prove that it's "healthy." All I need to do is show you that just as I don't care about unhealthful effects - NEITHER DO YOU. You don't care about the unhealthful effects of your driving, and I don't care about the unhealthful effects of my smoking.



My logic? Let's see yours.

1. Cigarettes have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, cigarette users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided and persecuted by law if at all possible.

1. Automobiles have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, automobile users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided, and persecuted by law if at all possible.

Your own logic is inconsistently applied, because you don't follow through with the premises to their natural conclusion except against cigarettes. But that's to be expected - your nan wasn't killed by a car, or by general air pollution from cars. Hence, I've merely shown that "health" is not the true basis of your argument. Instead your own bias is.

Followed your argument, and i agree that Shaolin's logic is flawed, but i also agree that smoking is unhealthy, and as it is not essential to everyday life, which driving a car or riding in an automobile is, I am personally against smoking. If i had a cleaner, just as fast way of getting where i need to go, i would choose that, but since i cant fly, ill stick with my car.

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant. I don't need to prove that it's "healthy." All I need to do is show you that just as I don't care about unhealthful effects - NEITHER DO YOU. You don't care about the unhealthful effects of your driving, and I don't care about the unhealthful effects of my smoking.

Hey you said us anti-smokers were wrong, I said smoking isn't healthy and you say it's irrelevant. Way to win an arguement!


My logic? Let's see yours.

1. Cigarettes have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, cigarette users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided and persecuted by law if at all possible.

1 and 2 are correct, I never said no.3. I recently dated a smoker, doesn't have to mean I like the fact she smoked.

1. Automobiles have unhealthful effects.
2. Health is important.
3. Thus, automobile users are to be ridiculed, shunned, avoided, and persecuted by law if at all possible.

Your own logic is inconsistently applied, because you don't follow through with the premises to their natural conclusion except against cigarettes. But that's to be expected - your nan wasn't killed by a car, or by general air pollution from cars. Hence, I've merely shown that "health" is not the true basis of your argument. Instead your own bias is.

Well tobacco *IS* the issue being debated ;)

One of my friends was killed by a transit van when we were at school. I am not anti-car. It was completely his fault. One of my sister's boyfriends died in a car accident (though he'd been smoking weed and drove and was the only car involved). That's 2 car related deaths of people I know as opposed to 1 tobacco related death. I don't see how my nan not being killed in a car accident would affect my bias on this issue. I've never liked smoking since way before she became ill.

FACT smoking is NOT a good thing for you to be doing to your body - I hope you can agree on that.

FACT there are many other things that are not good to be doing to your body that both smokers and non-smokers do, but this does not mean smoking is ok because other stuff is worse.

EVIL A>EVIL B therefore EVIL B IS OKAY:rolleyes: Not a solid arguement.

Also as above posters have stated, driving is often necessary, smoking isn't (wish I'd thought of that one).

Also as above posters have stated, driving is often necessary, smoking isn't (wish I'd thought of that one).

i've had this exact same argument as him before and i only thought of it this time ;)

i've had this exact same argument as him before and i only thought of it this time ;)

Hehehe I always think of good things to say after the time has passed.

Yes, I smoke cigarettes, go through 2 packs a week, and I'm pretty certain I will continue to do so until I'm 30.

Judging the behaviour by the statistics can sometimes be misleading, because anyone with a cursory knowledge can manipulate those statistics into something meaningless, or into arguing the point they were trying to prove.

All the studies I've seen that have anything to do with regular tobacco use have had sketchy results at best. Now, I don't have any links to the actual studies (no, this is not an invitation for anyone to post a link to an anti-tobacco activist group's version of a study), but that number, 438,000 deaths in the US alone, that is said to be a "tobacco-related mortality" number is stretching a thinly veiled guise over what the statistic really means.

They say that 1 in 5 deaths are tobacco related...does this mean that these deaths were related to tobacco? Sort of. The number includes those who have smoked during their lifetime. At all. That includes those who had even as little as 1 cigarette over the span of their life. It also includes anybody who over the course of their life had contact with second-hand smoke. The number is a farce.

Ever since I first heard the number, I was appalled at the bald-faced lie that I was being given as truth. Want to look at the CDC's mortality rate website? Here. (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)

The numbers don't add up.

Don't use any tobacco products. Chewing tobacco is more addictive than cigarrettes, contains formaldehyde (embalming fluid), polonium 210 (yes, it is radioactive), and Cadmium in addition to the carcenegenics. Cigarettes make you stink, your kisses taste horrible, and your teeth yellower. Strong chick repellants.

I'm already addicted to my Nintendo. No need for something more addictive than crack. I honestly don't understand why people start. It's not hot.

Don't use any tobacco products. Chewing tobacco is more addictive than cigarrettes, contains formaldehyde (embalming fluid), polonium 210 (yes, it is radioactive), and Cadmium in addition to the carcenegenics. Cigarettes make you stink, your kisses taste horrible, and your teeth yellower. Strong chick repellants.

I'm already addicted to my Nintendo. No need for something more addictive than crack. I honestly don't understand why people start. It's not hot.

Really? Tobacco contains that crap? How many TRUTH commercials have you seen? Some of the same chemical ingredients found in tobacco can be used to make up formaldehyde, but you didn't care about that, did you? Polonium and Cadmium? I can find the same stuff in drinking water. Yes, there are trace elements in tobacco. There are also trace elements in your blood, and in the air, and in the food you eat every day.

These things are not added to cigarettes. What would the tobacco companies profit from killing their customers? Or from removing time from their products? The longer people use tobacco, the more money they spend. Simple economics.

I'm already addicted to my Nintendo. No need for something more addictive than crack. I honestly don't understand why people start. It's not hot.
Right. So going out and having a smoke = chickless losers, whereas sitting in on your arse playing Nintendo = babe magnet.

Yes. Clearly.

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

I smoke cigareets and pipe tobacco, and an occasional cigar. I usually smoke Marlboro reds and Pall Mall reds. If you do smoke, tell us what kind of cigarrette or cigar you smoke!


Anyways, I'll be back in a bit to check the thread, got to smoke...:)

Negative. I kill myself with booze, preservatives and fast food (Sometimes).

I was avidly against smoking for 16 years and now I've been smoking for 16 years. Currently I've been smoking Pall Mall 100s -up to two packs a day due to the massive breakdown I am undergoing.

A cigar once in a blue moon, the occasional roll-up. I tend not to smoke tobacco.

I was a non-smoker in a household of smokers. My uncle caught me trying to sneak a puff and told me that if I wanted to do it, I'd better do it the RIGHT way, and told me to suck in a deeeeeeeep breath and hold it.

As I was trying to stuff my lungs back down my throat, he leaned over and asked, "Like that feeling? That's how I feel getting up every day -- be smarter than me and don't do that to yourself."

I never tried again -- but then, since I grew up around it, I never became one of those, "OMGOMGOMG I can see your carcinogens, get away from me! OMG I smell smoke now I'ma DIE!" people either.

I was a non-smoker in a household of smokers. My uncle caught me trying to sneak a puff and told me that if I wanted to do it, I'd better do it the RIGHT way, and told me to suck in a deeeeeeeep breath and hold it.

As I was trying to stuff my lungs back down my throat, he leaned over and asked, "Like that feeling? That's how I feel getting up every day -- be smarter than me and don't do that to yourself."

I never tried again -- but then, since I grew up around it, I never became one of those, "OMGOMGOMG I can see your carcinogens, get away from me! OMG I smell smoke now I'ma DIE!" people either.

*takes notes*

Do you like the smell of cigarette smoke?

Started smoke cigarillos a while ago. So far I'm 25 cigarillos in 5 weeks, about 4 a week, not so bad.

Cancer, pah, fuck it. I've lived wi' death on my shoulder since I was born dead, so I don't give a toss. The Grim Reaper'll have me when he has me.

I was avidly against smoking for 16 years and now I've been smoking for 16 years. Currently I've been smoking Pall Mall 100s -up to two packs a day due to the massive breakdown I am undergoing.

Pall Mall? Are they filterless? *gags*

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

I smoke cigareets and pipe tobacco, and an occasional cigar. I usually smoke Marlboro reds and Pall Mall reds. If you do smoke, tell us what kind of cigarrette or cigar you smoke!


Anyways, I'll be back in a bit to check the thread, got to smoke...:)

Nope. Too young.

I was a non-smoker in a household of smokers. My uncle caught me trying to sneak a puff and told me that if I wanted to do it, I'd better do it the RIGHT way, and told me to suck in a deeeeeeeep breath and hold it.

As I was trying to stuff my lungs back down my throat, he leaned over and asked, "Like that feeling? That's how I feel getting up every day -- be smarter than me and don't do that to yourself."

I never tried again -- but then, since I grew up around it, I never became one of those, "OMGOMGOMG I can see your carcinogens, get away from me! OMG I smell smoke now I'ma DIE!" people either.

Well, there's a life lesson if I ever saw one.

*takes notes*

Do you like the smell of cigarette smoke?

Not particularly, but I don't hate it either.
For some weird reason though, I've always liked the smell of gasoline fumes. Perhaps because I associate it with family vacations. You stop at a LOT of gas stations traveling between Tampa and NYC.

This may sound ridiculous, but an additional thing I have against tobacco is that I seem to have a semi-allergic reaction to its smoke. My throat gets inflamed and I literally can't breathe. So I couldn't smoke even if I wanted to.

*takes notes*

Do you like the smell of cigarette smoke?

I grew up around it and I find the smell of Hamlets cigars soothing, in a way.
They don't taste fanstastic, though.

Not particularly, but I don't hate it either.
For some weird reason though, I've always liked the smell of gasoline fumes. Perhaps because I associate it with family vacations. You stop at a LOT of gas stations traveling between Tampa and NYC.

I love the smell of cigarettes.

Long car rides? I guess you'd be wierd not to aquire a taste (smell, not taste!) for gasoline fumes. Our trips were always to New Jersey.

I will, on occasion, smoke Newports.

Generally only when I'm out drinking with my buds.

And just so the peer pressure alarms don't go off, I'm generally one of the few people in the group doing so.

Pall Mall? Are they filterless? *gags*

No, 100s actually have slightly longer filters than normal filtered cigarettes. I did smok Camel Non-Filters for a month or so a long time ago, but that didn't last too long.

I love the smell of cigarettes.

Long car rides? I guess you'd be wierd not to aquire a taste (smell, not taste!) for gasoline fumes. Our trips were always to New Jersey.

Wow...what a trip. You drive all of five miles from Philly over the Ben Franklin and BAM, Jersey.

:D

This may sound ridiculous, but an additional thing I have against tobacco is that I seem to have a semi-allergic reaction to its smoke. My throat gets inflamed and I literally can't breathe. So I couldn't smoke even if I wanted to.

*nod* That would be a fine reason to stay away from it, yes.
I can say I dislike the smell of stale smoke on my clothes -- like if I've been to a wedding and then a few days later, pulling my coat from my closet and smelling it.

Don't smoke. Never have. Never will.

*nod* That would be a fine reason to stay away from it, yes.
I can say I dislike the smell of stale smoke on my clothes -- like if I've been to a wedding and then a few days later, pulling my coat from my closet and smelling it.

A wedding makes your clothes smell? [is confused]

No, 100s actually have slightly longer filters than normal filtered cigarettes. I did smok Camel Non-Filters for a month or so a long time ago, but that didn't last too long.
Filterless cigs are insane. Makes me wonder who would want to smoke such a thing..
Wow...what a trip. You drive all of five miles from Philly over the Ben Franklin and BAM, Jersey.

:D

More like "BAM, you're shot!" :p

And I agree, drinking and smoking are great together. *nods*

A wedding makes your clothes smell? [is confused]

Well, if her wedding experiences are like mine, there's always a party after the reception. With smokers.

.. or she goes outside durring the reception and stands near the smokers.

A wedding makes your clothes smell? [is confused]

It does when there are people smoking there.

nope. :)

It does when there are people smoking there.

I guess, being from California, weddings and smokers aren't really a natural connection for me to make, since here they'd have to smoke outside. At least at the weddings I've been to.

Filterless cigs are insane. Makes me wonder who would want to smoke such a thing..

I did, once. I was extremely wasted at a party and went round the corner to 711 and picked up (accidentally) a pack of Parliaments thinking "Menthols". Worst. Smoking experience. Evar.

More like "BAM, you're shot!" :p

And I agree, drinking and smoking are great together. *nods*

They sure do.

Speaking of which, Ima be down in Philly next (25/26th) weekend. If there's something alcohol related, want me to throw you a TG? It'll prolly either be in the University City area or around 20th and Market.

Golden Virginia or Amber leaf tobacco...depending on the state of my student loan. Cigarettes are SO expensive in the UK.

...would like to add that smoking is a personal choice, so why bitch about it? If you feel that strongly about it, open you're own "expletive" thread.:rolleyes:

Filterless cigs are insane. Makes me wonder who would want to smoke such a thing..



i used to smoke unfiltered rollies, just cuz i hated the hassle of carrying around another box or bag of stuff for making cigarettes. much easier just to use a bit of card like for the end of a spliff.

I did, once. I was extremely wasted at a party and went round the corner to 711 and picked up (accidentally) a pack of Parliaments thinking "Menthols". Worst. Smoking experience. Evar.

:( You poor child..
They sure do.
God bless mentols.
Speaking of which, Ima be down in Philly next (25/26th) weekend. If there's something alcohol related, want me to throw you a TG? It'll prolly either be in the University City area or around 20th and Market.

If I can walk by then, perhaps.. Uni City? I'm guessing I wont need to worry about an ID. :p

j00 talkin' 'bout weed or tabacky?

backy ;)

edit: *does the Timewarp*

i used to smoke unfiltered rollies, just cuz i hated the hassle of carrying around another box or bag of stuff for making cigarettes. much easier just to use a bit of card like for the end of a spliff.

j00 talkin' 'bout weed or tabacky?

If I can walk by then, perhaps.. Uni City? I'm guessing I wont need to worry about an ID. :p

Heh, no this would all be at apartments or rowhouses in the area.

The farthest out you'd likely have to go is 34th and Race, though Friday we're prolly gonna be at 40th and Chestnut for Indian food and then at 2121 Market Street (Trader Joe's), possibly doing shots of Bailey's, but that hasn't been ironed out.

You familiar at all with Drexel's campus?

backy ;)

Is it cheaper that way? Yes? I'm better off buying a pack.. I'd lose too much 'backy trying to roll.. And I smoke my weedz from a pipe. *nod*
edit: *does the Timewarp*

Bastard!

You familiar at all with Drexel's campus?

I've been there, yes.

I smoked for 9 years, then I quit and stayed away from cigarettes for 18 months. Now I'm back to it again, and planning to quit again pretty soon. I guess it's like Jackie Boy said, "you never really quit" :rolleyes:

I've been there, yes.

K, well we've gotta work out some way to get in touch, and I'll figure out if the guys wont mind an extra fellow along. I know on Saturday, my old room mate's back in town after taking his MCATs on the 25th, and we're all planning to be as unsober as possible, should be a good time.

Is it cheaper that way? Yes? I'm better off buying a pack.. I'd lose too much 'backy trying to roll.. And I smoke my weedz from a pipe. *nod*


Bastard!

:p

well yes, but filters are only like 50p or something for a pack of 100. the main thing is if they're unfiltered then you don't need to use as much tobacco for the same effect. and rolling tobacco is way way cheaper than pre-made cigarettes, and i think it tastes better. don't smoke anymore though apart from the odd cigar. and spliff or bong ;-)

I quit smoking three and a half years ago.

I smoked for fifty years and always felt great.

I have been ill now for three and a half years!

I have been seriously tempted to start smoking again but doctors tell me it's purely coincidental.

I smoked for 9 years, then I quit and stayed away from cigarettes for 18 months. Now I'm back to it again, and planning to quit again pretty soon. I guess it's like Jackie Boy said, "you never really quit" :rolleyes:

That seems to be true, but I'm hoping not. It just so happens that everytime I've ever quit something uber stressful comes my way and I reach for smokes. Now I'm just convinced that if I quit smoking somebody will meet an untimely death at my hands. I'd rather smoke for now.

If I can walk by then, perhaps.. Uni City? I'm guessing I wont need to worry about an ID. :p

how's your foot by the way? did you have your surgery yet? i can't remember, i've completely lost track of time.

That seems to be true, but I'm hoping not. It just so happens that everytime I've ever quit something uber stressful comes my way and I reach for smokes. Now I'm just convinced that if I quit smoking somebody will meet an untimely death at my hands. I'd rather smoke for now.

yeh, it took me ages to find a good run of lack of stress before i could stick at quitting. i quit several times a year for nearly 3 years before i finally kicked the cigs. i don't even get cravings anymore though.

A good friend of mine quit in a week. He did say afterwards that it was the single most miserable week of his life. He's fine now, but still is uncomfortable around people who are smoking.

how's your foot by the way? did you have your surgery yet? i can't remember, i've completely lost track of time.

I had the surgery this morning. My foot is in so much pain, and they didn't even give me pain killers. I've been thinking about actually going to school tomorrow, just so I can buy some pills..

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

*...*

You know how this is going to go, don't you? ;)

Posta: "I'm a vegan Christian emo paedophile, and I just want to be accepted"
NSG: "Hey, that's interesting. Isn't it great how diverse this place is!"

But to your question: I have maintained my nicotine addiction for several years using lozenges or patches. I have a cigarette or cigar about once a month.

And here's something the pharmaceutical companies aren't tell anyone: as long as you have the high doses of nicotine their products provide, you're almost immune to the "smoke one and you're back on them" thing. A cigarette has a head-spinny effect which is interesting (lack of oxygen to the brain I guess) but a cigar is a real pleasure. When the craving comes back, I pop a lozenge in my mouth ... no willpower required at all.

Last thing I smoked was a Romeo Y Julieta #2 from Cuba. I bought it in my local bottleshop. It was absolutely beautiful and lasted some twenty minutes.

You know how this is going to go, don't you? ;)

Posta: "I'm a vegan Christian emo paedophile, and I just want to be accepted"
NSG: "Hey, that's interesting. Isn't it great how diverse this place is!"

But to your question: I have maintained my nicotine addiction for several years using lozenges or patches. I have a cigarette or cigar about once a month.

And here's something the pharmaceutical companies aren't tell anyone: as long as you have the high doses of nicotine their products provide, you're almost immune to the "smoke one and you're back on them" thing. A cigarette has a head-spinny effect which is interesting (lack of oxygen to the brain I guess) but a cigar is a real pleasure. When the craving comes back, I pop a lozenge in my mouth ... no willpower required at all.

Last thing I smoked was a Romeo Y Julieta #2 from Cuba. I bought it in my local bottleshop. It was absolutely beautiful and lasted some twenty minutes.

It's the nicotine. It's actually how you get chemically addicted to it. It usurps receptors in portions of your brain, making communication difficult without a steady supply of nicotine to keep the connections among those neurons stable. Withdrawl ends up being both psychological and physical as your brain has more trouble going about its business.

I was a non-smoker in a household of smokers. My uncle caught me trying to sneak a puff and told me that if I wanted to do it, I'd better do it the RIGHT way, and told me to suck in a deeeeeeeep breath and hold it.

*...*

My father (a non-smoker) tried the same shock treatment, using some cigs that party guests had left at our house. I was about twelve.

Unfortunately for his cunning plan, I found almost passing out and going numb all over quite exciting and he had to take the rest of the packet off me. :D

A good friend of mine quit in a week. He did say afterwards that it was the single most miserable week of his life. He's fine now, but still is uncomfortable around people who are smoking.
Does he have a lot of mood swings?

It's the nicotine. It's actually how you get chemically addicted to it. It usurps receptors in portions of your brain, making communication difficult without a steady supply of nicotine to keep the connections among those neurons stable. Withdrawl ends up being both psychological and physical as your brain has more trouble going about its business.

I don't have the faintest idea which part of my post you are replying to, so I will simply say you are trying to teach granma to suck eggs.

:cool:

My father (a non-smoker) tried the same shock treatment, using some cigs that party guests had left at our house. I was about twelve.

Unfortunately for his cunning plan, I found almost passing out and going numb all over quite exciting and he had to take the rest of the packet off me. :D

Parents are never nearly as clever as they think they are :D

Parents are never nearly as clever as they think they are :D

On the upside, they occasionally teach us deeply profound stuff by sheer chance! :D

My dad smoked for 10 years and had to quit. Advised me when I was young never to start. Seemed like sound advice if a veteran smoker says 'dont smoke'

My grandpa on the other side smokes like mad, even though his smoker wife died of smoking related lung problems. He's 85, nothing seems to kill him, but every time he lights another, he tells me he wishes he never heard of cigarettes.

I'll have a cig if somebody bums one to me at a party while we're drinking, but I've never really liked the experience of smoke, nicotine or smokey film a cigar leaves. I still don't understand why anybody enjoys them and I have lots of heavy smoker friends.

I'm sorry to admit that I have a cigarette addiction. I smoked 24 last week, which is 2 less than my average. So far this week, I have smoked 19.

:sniper: god you non smokers are so annoying.

i only smoke a few times every 5 or 6 months or so
i dont really mind the smell cause if you're a smoker it wont bother you.

cigars i actually like smoking but cigarettes are for the everyday experience.

On the upside, they occasionally teach us deeply profound stuff by sheer chance! :D
My mother taught me that I can be as crazy and unreliable as I want, because she'll pay my way through life with her large amount of money. My father taught to to shut the fuck up, you annoying little bitch.

An old joke:
I don't smoke, the cigarette smokes.
I'm just the sucker on one end of it

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?

I smoke cigareets and pipe tobacco, and an occasional cigar. I usually smoke Marlboro reds and Pall Mall reds. If you do smoke, tell us what kind of cigarrette or cigar you smoke!

Anyways, I'll be back in a bit to check the thread, got to smoke...:)
I quit smoking Jan. 11th this year and I am putting $10 a day away in a savings account. I have saved over $1,200 to date, and I will treat myself at the end of the year!! :)

Driving one's car is a risk, a necessary one to keep your job (sustained life), and not an unhealthy one (except in the case where you have many, many cars together in a large city, adding up to a lot of CO2 emissions, and hopefully, that will be changing soon with increased laws on use of hybrids and electric vehicles). I myself drive a hybrid, with less than 2% gas emissions. You can't even compare that to smoking, which is unnecessary, and can't be placed in the same category as the term "risk": it's deliberately jeopardizing one's lungs with direct exposure to carcinogenic materials.

That's like comparing walking out in the sunlight for a couple of minutes everyday (which is necessary in making Vitamin D and keeping people from being suicidal), to tanning under an UltraViolet lamp every day (the direct rays mutate the DNA--the browning of the skin is the bodies defense mechanism of throwing increasing layers of epithelium out for dead, like the front line of cannon fodder, so that it doesn't reach your vital organs).

I recently went to a Creative Arts Symposium at Texas Woman's University. There were many amazing and detailed posters, one of them, (unsurprisingly, because it's probably the all-time easiest topic to research) was on the correlation of tobacco and cancer. There are over 4,000 different chemicals in one cigarette. Some of the proven carcinogenics include a petrol additive, embalming fluid (formaldehyde), Ammonia (toilet cleaner), nail polish remover, tar, nicotine (insecticide and addictive drug), carbon monoxide (poison car exhaust), arsenic (rat poison) and Hydrogen Cyanide (gas chamber poison). You are exposing your lungs to that every single time you inhale. In the dental industry, the number one cause of cancer of the mouth is chewing tobacco.

There are over 81,200 scholarly published research articles on Google alone (you can just do a google search to confirm this) confirming tobacco as the number one cause of lung cancer. Out of all the different possible types of cancer, lung carcinoma is the number one type of cancer that kills the most. Second hand smoke (just sitting near someone who is smoking) is even worse, because certain chemicals in the smoke only become carcinogenic after they've come into contact with certain enzymes found in many of the tissues of the human body. Within 5 years, 85% of the people who are diagnosed with lung cancer will die within diagnosis. Most women, when asked what they think is the number one killer of women, think that breast cancer is the answer. It's not. Take a gander? Yes. It's lung cancer, and almost entirely preventable (except for a very small percentage who unfortunately had gotten it for other reasons). Right underneath heart disease (from the atherosclerosis plaque that builds up, unreversibly without surgery, in the arteries from meats/fatty/buttery foods), both competing for the top, is cancer, and the number one type of killing cancer? Once again: Lung carcinoma.

Tobacco is one of the few poisons one can legally purchase (like alcohol...and yes, that's for another forum thread), that over a period of time (short period of time at that; your lung cells begin reacting actually upon immediate contact), will kill you. I guess if you understand and continue doing it, it's like nature's way of eliminating the idiots (self-elimination). Your life must not be that important to you to begin with. Natural selection in action: it's a marvelous thing, baby!

Now, assuming I'm not entirely that heartless: how do you get someone to see the severity of a situation, when they just don't care about themselves enough to begin with? Now *that's* an interesting question. The smokers may say they don't care and that we're all going to die anyway, but then when they're on their death beds, I think they'll start reconsidering. Alas. It will be too late. I would much rather live a long, healthy life and die of old age in my bed, personally.

I quit smoking Jan. 11th this year and I am putting $10 a day away in a savings account. I have saved over $1,200 to date, and I will treat myself at the end of the year!! :)

that's a really good idea! wish i'd thought of that when i quit. although my main motivation for quitting was financial.

Driving one's car is a risk, a necessary one to keep your job (sustained life), and not an unhealthy one
*...*

In Australia at least, deaths by motor accident are the leading cause of loss of years of working life, or were a couple years ago. At least #1 or 2, with suicide.

Before you point to "causes of death" where motor accidents don't even make the top five, smoking-related death is predominantly near retirement age or after. Heart disease, etc -- old people. Deaths before 18 not counted either.

The prime of life, your first car. Russian roulette ... smoking would be more responsible.

Pardon me for not reading the rest of your post. A bit twitchy this morning. :)

In Australia at least, deaths by motor accident are the leading cause of loss of years of working life, or were a couple years ago. At least #1 or 2, with suicide.

Before you point to "causes of death" where motor accidents don't even make the top five, smoking-related death is predominantly near retirement age or after. Heart disease, etc -- old people. Deaths before 18 not counted either.

The prime of life, your first car. Russian roulette ... smoking would be more responsible.

Pardon me for not reading the rest of your post. A bit twitchy this morning. :)
Smoking and counting stuff makes me less twitchy. You try it! You try it now!

that's a really good idea! wish i'd thought of that when i quit. although my main motivation for quitting was financial.
Ahhhh, but it is nice to no longer be a slave to the cigarette, and of course, everything smells better and I certainly don't miss that irritating cough, etc, etc, .....

Ahhhh, but it is nice to no longer be a slave to the cigarette, and of course, everything smells better and I certainly don't miss that irritating cough, etc, etc, .....

well exactly, those are the things i realised once i'd quit :)

Smoking and counting stuff makes me less twitchy. You try it! You try it now!

I tried to count the letters in your post. I got to the 'd' and my eyeballs started to itch. Nosir, not for me.
Please yourself, though. :)

EDIT: When I was younger I found a nice bout of deathmatch as good way of getting the twitchiness out. I gave that up because the fear gave me adrenalin, and the adrenalin gave me fear. From an imaginary fear to a well-founded fear of heart attack or stroke ... ah, but I did enjoy getting fragged. The fear would stop for a second or two while I respawned :D

I tried to count the letters in your post. I got to the 'd' and my eyeballs started to itch. Nosir, not for me.
Please yourself, though. :)
Gladly.
Back to smoking, I think I got adicted at an early age because my father always used to blow his cigarette smoke in my face. I dunno, I guess he thought it was funny.

Gladly.
Back to smoking, I think I got adicted at an early age because my father always used to blow his cigarette smoke in my face. I dunno, I guess he thought it was funny.

I'll try to avoid commenting on your father. I believe you can get addicted at very low levels of nicotine, so even being in the same room ...

I have a friend who claims she smokes because it's the only thing she can remember about her mother. She doesn't remember enough to love her mother for anything else. She's trying hypnosis and trying to remember something else about mom, but just quitting seems like a betrayal (or lack of rememberance) of her mother.
Kind of weird, but I like the weird people. People who think they have no issues and don't struggle with themselves are just boring to me...

Ahhhh, but it is nice to no longer be a slave to the cigarette, and of course, everything smells better and I certainly don't miss that irritating cough, etc, etc, .....

I discovered the joy of exercise, forgotten since my childhood. I run up flights of stairs because I can!
Being able to taste food properly counts too, along with the smelling things and not coughing.

I'll try to avoid commenting on your father. I believe you can get addicted at very low levels of nicotine, so even being in the same room ...

I have a friend who claims she smokes because it's the only thing she can remember about her mother. She doesn't remember enough to love her mother for anything else. She's trying hypnosis and trying to remember something else about mom, but just quitting seems like a betrayal (or lack of rememberance) of her mother.
Kind of weird, but I like the weird people. People who think they have no issues and don't struggle with themselves are just boring to me...
They're so high and mighty too. Ooh, look at me! I can go on a date without succumbing to the overwhelming urge to count his eyelashes! Bitch.

Do you smoke any type of tobacco product?


Nope. Never really felt the need. Although quite a few of friends smoke, but they've never tried to force me to.

I discovered the joy of exercise, forgotten since my childhood. I run up flights of stairs because I can!
Being able to taste food properly counts too, along with the smelling things and not coughing.
I have been walking more and of course......making love can last a little longer then before!! :)

Does he have a lot of mood swings?

No, he does not seem to.

No, he does not seem to.

Hm. Last time I stopped smoking, I was bipolar.

They're so high and mighty too. Ooh, look at me! I can go on a date without succumbing to the overwhelming urge to count his eyelashes! Bitch.

I wouldn't go that far. I just find such people boring. They don't participate in my own development, see me as a "person with issues" rather than "a person" and "their issues."

We should leave this for a private channel (trying to fix that now) or another thread. Back to tobacco.

I consider myself an ex-smoker, probably for good. But I see in a lot of ex-smokers whose very adamance is an admission that it still has a hook on them. Their intolerance of the very smell of tobacco for instance. Their need to 'convert' smokers they barely know, when they would simply back of with an "OMG, your problem" to really more serious threats to life and happiness, like drink-driving or domestic violence. The way they can be quite humble on other issues, but on this one it's "My life is GREAT since I gave up tobacco. I am SO HAPPY now!"
Like alcoholism or heroin addiction, it's a struggle for years or perhaps for ever not to go back to it. Addiction stays in you somewhere, getting weaker but still ready to come back some despairing day when there is nothing else.

If I could choose to go back to my first cigarette and never be addicted at all ... I actually wouldn't. It would be giving up a part of myself I now value.
To anybody else eyeing that first cigarette I'd say "no, don't do that. Take any drug which isn't addictive by preference."
Simply, I learnt a lot from addiction but for some it's too hard a lesson.

Hm. Last time I stopped smoking, I was bipolar.

Well, the actual week his quitting mostly took place in, I didn't see him, as I was away at school. He did say it was utter hell that week, though.

Driving one's car is a risk, a necessary one to keep your job (sustained life), and not an unhealthy one (except in the case where you have many, many cars together in a large city, adding up to a lot of CO2 emissions, and hopefully, that will be changing soon with increased laws on use of hybrids and electric vehicles). I myself drive a hybrid, with less than 2% gas emissions. You can't even compare that to smoking, which is unnecessary, and can't be placed in the same category as the term "risk": it's deliberately jeopardizing one's lungs with direct exposure to carcinogenic materials.

That's like comparing walking out in the sunlight for a couple of minutes everyday (which is necessary in making Vitamin D and keeping people from being suicidal), to tanning under an UltraViolet lamp every day (the direct rays mutate the DNA--the browning of the skin is the bodies defense mechanism of throwing increasing layers of epithelium out for dead, like the front line of cannon fodder, so that it doesn't reach your vital organs).

I recently went to a Creative Arts Symposium at Texas Woman's University. There were many amazing and detailed posters, one of them, (unsurprisingly, because it's probably the all-time easiest topic to research) was on the correlation of tobacco and cancer. There are over 4,000 different chemicals in one cigarette. Some of the proven carcinogenics include a petrol additive, embalming fluid (formaldehyde), Ammonia (toilet cleaner), nail polish remover, tar, nicotine (insecticide and addictive drug), carbon monoxide (poison car exhaust), arsenic (rat poison) and Hydrogen Cyanide (gas chamber poison). You are exposing your lungs to that every single time you inhale. In the dental industry, the number one cause of cancer of the mouth is chewing tobacco.

There are over 81,200 scholarly published research articles on Google alone (you can just do a google search to confirm this) confirming tobacco as the number one cause of lung cancer. Out of all the different possible types of cancer, lung carcinoma is the number one type of cancer that kills the most. Second hand smoke (just sitting near someone who is smoking) is even worse, because certain chemicals in the smoke only become carcinogenic after they've come into contact with certain enzymes found in many of the tissues of the human body. Within 5 years, 85% of the people who are diagnosed with lung cancer will die within diagnosis. Most women, when asked what they think is the number one killer of women, think that breast cancer is the answer. It's not. Take a gander? Yes. It's lung cancer, and almost entirely preventable (except for a very small percentage who unfortunately had gotten it for other reasons). Right underneath heart disease (from the atherosclerosis plaque that builds up, unreversibly without surgery, in the arteries from meats/fatty/buttery foods), both competing for the top, is cancer, and the number one type of killing cancer? Once again: Lung carcinoma.

Tobacco is one of the few poisons one can legally purchase (like alcohol...and yes, that's for another forum thread), that over a period of time (short period of time at that; your lung cells begin reacting actually upon immediate contact), will kill you. I guess if you understand and continue doing it, it's like nature's way of eliminating the idiots (self-elimination). Your life must not be that important to you to begin with. Natural selection in action: it's a marvelous thing, baby!

Now, assuming I'm not entirely that heartless: how do you get someone to see the severity of a situation, when they just don't care about themselves enough to begin with? Now *that's* an interesting question. The smokers may say they don't care and that we're all going to die anyway, but then when they're on their death beds, I think they'll start reconsidering. Alas. It will be too late. I would much rather live a long, healthy life and die of old age in my bed, personally.

Self elimination? Possibly, but as long as you pass your genes on before the negative effects of smoking become pronounced, its all good!

Self elimination? Possibly, but as long as you pass your genes on before the negative effects of smoking become pronounced, its all good!

Damn.

Damn.

Eh, damn what? Damn right? Cuz you know I am!

Pall Mall? Are they filterless? *gags*

No, they have filters. Pall Malls are 'slower burning and longer lasting'.
My Ukrainian Pall Malls came in, and man, they are great! I love em. I have been smoking more recently because of my job. It is not fun, but today wasn't so bad.

Oh, and speaking of filterless cigarettes: Has anyone ever smoked Lucky Strikes? Those things are friggin harsh! I felt like I was gonna die after one! But after the next one I got used to them. Every once in a while I think I'll buy a pack of them, for a change of pace.

Maybe one or two cigars every couple of months. (The last time was in January)

It's too expensive, and I generally only do it when I'm pretty drunk.

This is pretty much exactly the same as me.

No, they have filters. Pall Malls are 'slower burning and longer lasting'.
My Ukrainian Pall Malls came in, and man, they are great! I love em. I have been smoking more recently because of my job. It is not fun, but today wasn't so bad.

Oh, and speaking of filterless cigarettes: Has anyone ever smoked Lucky Strikes? Those things are friggin harsh! I felt like I was gonna die after one! But after the next one I got used to them. Every once in a while I think I'll buy a pack of them, for a change of pace.

Lucky Strikes reminds me of this Futurama Clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MSMvKp7ZI

Huh. Didn't hurt that time. :D

I sometimes smoke Djarum Blacks (yes, cloves), but that's all of about twice a year.

Eh, damn what? Damn right? Cuz you know I am!

Nah, damn that you'll pass your idiot genes on.

No I don't want to die...so I don't smoke cancer sticks

No, they have filters. Pall Malls are 'slower burning and longer lasting'.
My Ukrainian Pall Malls came in, and man, they are great! I love em. I have been smoking more recently because of my job. It is not fun, but today wasn't so bad.

Oh, and speaking of filterless cigarettes: Has anyone ever smoked Lucky Strikes? Those things are friggin harsh! I felt like I was gonna die after one! But after the next one I got used to them. Every once in a while I think I'll buy a pack of them, for a change of pace.

they're the best factory rolled smokes i've had. no contest. expensive though.

Clove cigarettes, (the mild(s) 1.0 mg nicotine, 14 mg tar) 2 packs of 16 cigarettes per 3 days.

But usually I didn't finish the whole pack alone.

I'm partial to pipe tobacco, typically aromatic blends.

Cavendish with some vanilla is nice.

There's a local tobacconist here who makes something called "Spring Water" that's nice.

Has anyone tried American Spirit? They are native american cigarettes, I think, and have no additives to them, just tobacco. They are pretty good.

Has anyone tried American Spirit? They are native american cigarettes, I think, and have no additives to them, just tobacco. They are pretty good.

I think Santa Fe Company makes them, the "native" motif is mostly a marketing thing.

Although in a sense, one could argue that pretty much most tobacco use has its roots with indiginous populations in North America.

I smoke delicious Lucky Strikes. I'm a pack a month smoker maybe a pack every fortnight if I'm stressed out. Also some social smoking.

I really can't stand self-righteous anti-smokers. If someone asks me not to smoke near them that's fine but I don't need some patronizing lecture. Smokers already know what Cigarettes do, you'd have to be a moron not to know.

I think Santa Fe Company makes them, the "native" motif is mostly a marketing thing.

Although in a sense, one could argue that pretty much most tobacco use has its roots with indiginous populations in North America.

I smoke quite a few fine tobacco products grown, picked, fermented and rolled by native Dominicans, Nicaraguans and Cubans.

I smoke quite a few fine tobacco products grown, picked, fermented and rolled by native Dominicans, Nicaraguans and Cubans.

Where I live, I'm told we're not supposed to smoke the truly authentic Cuban stuff (although I've never actually examined the law that says so).

Do the Nicaraguans make pipe tobacco? Or OEM it to other manufacturers?

I smoke Parliament Lights 100's Box. About 1 pack/day..sometimes more, sometimes a very little less.

I don't know if it's just the *sarcasm*"Good Old USA" but they make smoking seem like a crime. They even managed to get "R" ratings for films that depict people smoking. What will happen to all the 30's and 40's film noir epics? Edit the smoking scenes out? There'd be about 5 minutes worth of film left.

I am looked at with disgust when I pull out a smoke. And even in my apartment building I am getting comments from my neighbors about how I should stop smoking. ( I live next to an Exit door...people passing in and out in front of my apartment all hours of the day & night & it's a studio so you can smell the cigarette smoke.)

I feel so dirty when I get the comments/looks. Even on the street. And the price? It's 7$/pack in NYC...they make it hard to afford but if I choose to smoke then why pick on me? I get crap about smoking in my home. I get crap about smoking on the street. And I cannot smoke in a public indoor area...my choices are limited. Enough to prompt me to start carrying the nicotine gum with me. I wish I never started but I did *I was robbed!!!* and now I get treated like a pariah when I smoke cigs according to the law.

Does this crap go on outside of America? I heard they are smoking fiends in China & France...I haven't been to Europe in 10 years so I am a bit out of touch but would like to get the skinny about what it is like if you are a smoker in your part of the world.

*afterthought*
I do have one thing to say in my defense to all the non-smokers who attack me with the "You should quit" appeals with the zeal of a Born Again Christians in 'Let Jesus into your heart" mode: I wish I never started and I am thinking of trying to quit AGAIN..4th time's a charm? Trying to pick a quit date :headbang:

Where I live, I'm told we're not supposed to smoke the truly authentic Cuban stuff (although I've never actually examined the law that says so).

Do the Nicaraguans make pipe tobacco? Or OEM it to other manufacturers?

Not sure if they do pipe tobacco, but they make some fine cigars.

In the US it is illegal to possess or import Cuban cigars, but it is a pretty easy law to get around.

I used to smoke Gitanes but I quit in 1998.